Campy 10 to 11 conversion

[Bill Bove]

we just did it.

new internal bits for 10 speed lever.

chorus 11 casstte and chain.

works with your exsisting 10 speed derailers/chainrings

works great. shifting is a little stiffer than traditional 10 and much more positive than the new 11. call it 11 red.

we'll be ready to do it for you in july. cost $500. you get: your lever overhauled, chorus 11 cassette & 11 chain.

[Elefantino]

we'll be ready to do it for you in july. cost $500. you get: your lever overhauled, chorus 11 cassette & 11 chain.
Will it make me climb better? :confused:

[Bill Bove]

you got a tall enough bridge to test it? :)

[Elefantino]

No.

We were in Dahlonega, Ga., last weekend, though.

And gearing up for BS&G next month!

I'm looking for a quad crank.

[saab2000]

Very interesting. Are the internals modified from the 10-speed? Or better stuff?

One thing I have heard is that the new 11-speed is redesigned so that it won't wear as quickly.

Is it the new internals?

Don't give away any secrets if they are such, but I won't deny that I am intrigued by this. I have several bikes with rapidly wearing out 10-speed stuff.

[Bill Bove]

new internals, look to be of good quality, does away with coil spring leaving only g springs to wear. not enough miles on 11 to comment on durability but have only heard positive.

[Dave]

For $400, you can buy new Chorus 11 speed shifters, with cables, a Chorus 11 cassette and chain. With a simple mod to the cable clamp bolt, the existing 10 speed RD will work fine.

I much prefer the ergonomics of the new ultrashift levers. They don't have any g-springs to wear out either. IMO, the 11 speed levers have just the right amount of feedback from the right finger lever.

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[Jeff N.]

I've got the new Super Record on my Holland Isogrid...it's simply magnificent. Ergonomics are superb. Campy really did their homework this time. Jeff N.

[Rapid Tourist]

Does the 11 speed cassette work on a 10 speed hub? So no new hub is necessary? (My bike wears campy 10 now)

[Smiley]

I much prefer the ergonomics of the new ultrashift levers. They don't have any g-springs to wear out either. IMO, the 11 speed levers have just the right amount of feedback from the right finger lever.

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[Bill Bove]

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like i said, 11 red. it's the mouse ear that is too soft for me on the 11, this corrects that.

[Jeff N.]

Does the 11 speed cassette work on a 10 speed hub? So no new hub is necessary? (My bike wears campy 10 now)Correctamundo! Jeff N.

[Rapid Tourist]

Thanks Jeff!

[Ti Designs]

Does that price include the 11-speed seatpost?

[Dave]

like i said, 11 red. it's the mouse ear that is too soft for me on the 11, this corrects that.

I've not read a single complaint about the thumb buttons. They're hardly any different than 10 speed. I'd call them ligher, but more distinct.

[Smiley]

I've not read a single complaint about the thumb buttons. They're hardly any different than 10 speed. I'd call them ligher, but more distinct.


The switch to 11 speed for me not that I am a campy guy is for the improved ergonomics of the brifters. The extra gear in the middle of the cassette is meaningless unless its on the top end which its not.

[djg]

The switch to 11 speed for me not that I am a campy guy is for the improved ergonomics of the brifters. The extra gear in the middle of the cassette is meaningless unless its on the top end which its not.

You want a 10-23 cassette Smiley? You've been working out?

I just put a new set of Record 10 levers on the bike a few weeks ago -- CC had been blowing them out at a couple hundred bucks and I did a ***. They're great; I'm happy with the shape; and I've got multiple sets of road wheels and cross wheels set up for 10 speed. I think I'll tell my curiosity about 11 speed to take a walk around the block for a year or two.

[Smiley]

When I said I high I meant bigger then 28 ? But alas I am not a campy guy. SRAM and Shimano which are very nice are fine by me :)

[don compton]

we just did it.

new internal bits for 10 speed lever.

chorus 11 casstte and chain.

works with your exsisting 10 speed derailers/chainrings

works great. shifting is a little stiffer than traditional 10 and much more positive than the new 11. call it 11 red.

we'll be ready to do it for you in july. cost $500. you get: your lever overhauled, chorus 11 cassette & 11 chain.
will the 11 speed chain work well with a campy 10 speed crankset?

[Dave]

The switch to 11 speed for me not that I am a campy guy is for the improved ergonomics of the brifters. The extra gear in the middle of the cassette is meaningless unless its on the top end which its not.

I know you meant the low end, but that will hopefully come next year. A medium cage RD will be required to handle an 11-27, 11-29 or 12-29 cassette. I wouldn't expect any larger cogs.

[Dave]

will the 11 speed chain work well with a campy 10 speed crankset?

The new 11 speed chain is .1mm narrower between the inner plates. Campy narrowed the chainring teeth by .1mm on the 11 speed chain rings to match the reduction in width.

My first setup used an '08 Chorus 10 crank. It seemed to work fine, but obviously the fit is a little tighter.

[mike p]

500.00 for 1 more speed? No thanks. (nothing against Bill)

Mike

[Tobias]

When I said I high I meant bigger then 28 ? But alas I am not a campy guy. SRAM and Shimano which are very nice are fine by me :)Doesn't Shimano already make a 9-T small sprocket? Meant for small wheel bikes, but if you have the need for speed........

[saab2000]

I am still bummed out that there is no 12-23 available. This is my favorite 10-speed combo.

The 11-23 is basically a 10-speed with a spacer.... Same with the 12-25. I would never use either of those gears.

[Dave]

I am still bummed out that there is no 12-23 available. This is my favorite 10-speed combo.

The 11-23 is basically a 10-speed with a spacer.... Same with the 12-25. I would never use either of those gears.



A 12-23 11 speed would make little sense for most users. The 17-18-19-21 is extremely close spacing. A 12-23 would add a 20T. Shimano doesn't offer a 20T cog either, except on junior cassettes, where they are just filler material.

What Campy did was add one cog larger to all existing 10 speed cassettes, except the 11-25 and 13-29. The 11-23 is an 11-21 10 speed with a 23T added. The 12-23 became a 12-25.

If you look at more history, the 12-21 9 speed (which I used in the moderate terrain around Kansas City) became the 12-23 10 speed and now it's the 12-25 11 speed.

[saab2000]

I hear ya on the gears. But the 11-tooth cog is kinda lame for most folks who don't live in the mountains. I used to and see the need/desire for it there. And in high level racing.

But I just like my corncob cassettes!!

If/when I go to 11-speed I'll end up with the 11-23. It's all good.

[Dave]

I hear ya on the gears. But the 11-tooth cog is kinda lame for most folks who don't live in the mountains. I used to and see the need/desire for it there. And in high level racing.

But I just like my corncob cassettes!!

If/when I go to 11-speed I'll end up with the 11-23. It's all good.

Don't forget compact crank users. I do ride in the mountains, so an 11-25 with a 50/34 makes perfect sense. The top gear is about the same as a 53/12. If an 11-27 had been offered, I would have tried it.

[djg]

When I said I high I meant bigger then 28 ? But alas I am not a campy guy. SRAM and Shimano which are very nice are fine by me :)

Ah. 13-29 has been a standard campag offering in 10 speed for a while -- maybe since 10 speed was introduced. I don't know the 11 speed cassette offerings.

[sg8357]

Anyway to backfit the current Centaur or Athena to 9 speed ?

Scott G.

[Tobias]

Ah. 13-29 has been a standard campag offering in 10 speed for a while -- maybe since 10 speed was introduced. I don't know the 11 speed cassette offerings.An 11-25 does the same thing as a 13-29 but better. All it needs is smaller rings.

If you compare the two side-by-side you may decide you don't need 11 speeds.

[Dave]

Anyway to backfit the current Centaur or Athena to 9 speed ?

Scott G.

There will not be any conversion of ultrashift levers to 9 speed. A J-tek shiftmate could be used to correct the cable pull of Centaur 10 speed levers to 9 speed.

[djg]

An 11-25 does the same thing as a 13-29 but better. All it needs is smaller rings.

If you compare the two side-by-side you may decide you don't need 11 speeds.

No, I guess we've strayed from the OP, but that's right -- I don't need one (and am likely to put off 11 speed for a year or so, even though folks love the new levers, etc.). For me, the 13-29 advantage has to do with the fact that it's not my preferred range for daily riding but something I want at certain times -- it's easier to swap a cassette or a rear wheel than chainrings for, say, a spring training camp in the mountains or some particular event during the year (not that it's such a problem to swap chainrings, but it's quicker and less expensive to do it at the cogs, at least if you avoid the priciest options for cogs).