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Louis
05-13-2009, 01:00 AM
Link to NYT story here (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/12/health/research/12exer.html?_r=1&em)

May 12, 2009
Vitamins Found to Curb Exercise Benefits
By NICHOLAS WADE

If you exercise to improve your metabolism and prevent diabetes, you may want to avoid antioxidants like vitamins C and E.

That is the message of a surprising new look at the body’s reaction to exercise, reported on Monday by researchers in Germany and Boston.

Exercise is known to have many beneficial effects on health, including on the body’s sensitivity to insulin. “Get more exercise” is often among the first recommendations given by doctors to people at risk of diabetes.

But exercise makes the muscle cells metabolize glucose, by combining its carbon atoms with oxygen and extracting the energy that is released. In the process, some highly reactive oxygen molecules escape and make chemical attacks on anything in sight.

These reactive oxygen compounds are known to damage the body’s tissues. The amount of oxidative damage increases with age, and according to one theory of aging it is a major cause of the body’s decline.

The body has its own defense system for combating oxidative damage, but it does not always do enough. So antioxidants, which mop up the reactive oxygen compounds, may seem like a logical solution.

The researchers, led by Dr. Michael Ristow, a nutritionist at the University of Jena in Germany, tested this proposition by having young men exercise, giving half of them moderate doses of vitamins C and E and measuring sensitivity to insulin as well as indicators of the body’s natural defenses to oxidative damage.

The Jena team found that in the group taking the vitamins there was no improvement in insulin sensitivity and almost no activation of the body’s natural defense mechanism against oxidative damage.

The reason, they suggest, is that the reactive oxygen compounds, inevitable byproducts of exercise, are a natural trigger for both of these responses. The vitamins, by efficiently destroying the reactive oxygen, short-circuit the body’s natural response to exercise.

“If you exercise to promote health, you shouldn’t take large amounts of antioxidants,” Dr. Ristow said. A second message of the study, he said, “is that antioxidants in general cause certain effects that inhibit otherwise positive effects of exercise, dieting and other interventions.” The findings appear in this week’s issue of The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The effect of vitamins on exercise and glucose metabolism “is really quite significant,” said Dr. C. Ronald Kahn of the Joslin Diabetes Center in Boston, a co-author of the report. “If people are trying to exercise, this is blocking the effects of insulin on the metabolic response.”

The advice does not apply to fruits and vegetables, Dr. Ristow said; even though they are high in antioxidants, the many other substances they contain presumably outweigh any negative effect.

Dr. Kahn said it might be that reactive oxygen is beneficial in small doses, because it touches off the body’s natural defense system, but harmful in higher doses.

Andrew Shao of the Council for Responsible Nutrition, a trade association of dietary supplement makers, said the new study was well designed but was just one bit of evidence in a complex issue. Most available evidence points to the opposite conclusion, that antioxidants benefit health by reducing oxidative stress, he said.

“I wouldn’t change recommendations for anyone based on one study,” he said. “This is one small piece of the puzzle.”

ahumblecycler
05-13-2009, 06:32 AM
I do research for a living, and the first thing I look for is where is the money coming from. I learned a long time ago that when research is grant sponsored then findings tend to favor the sponsor ... go figure. I also do not buy independent, third party sponsors.

My question would be "what is the sample size?" followed by "what was the methodology and how did they control for confounding variables?".

No one should ignore years of research when 1 study emerges. It is okay to question and have the desire to learn more, but I would not recommend changing behavior.

LO^OK
05-13-2009, 07:57 AM
The article come from the popular press with, sadly, little or no details about the study. Still, an academic study challenging the established, and often marketing driven dogmas. It's tale telling that the supplement industry chime in at the end. That industry is loosely regulated, and trade with frequently exaggerated claims based on dubious science. They are in the same league with the anti-ageing cosmetic makers.

wasfast
05-13-2009, 08:07 AM
A recent study found that research studies cause confusion and misinformation. Avoid at all costs :no:

1centaur
05-13-2009, 06:18 PM
Having read this multiple times, I am left wondering what it purports to show. If the body naturally reacts to oxidative stress from exercise, but when taking antioxidants does not react, is that bad? If there's a big rainstorm on a forest fire do firefighters need to drop in flame retardants? Maybe the body is smart enough to pick the most efficient means to reduce oxidative stress and when taking antioxidants that means is vitamins directly, rather than indirectly through insulin response. The corollary question becomes: is it better for the body to create its own response or easier on the body to have vitamins take the load? Does a long-time pill popper so dull the body's ability to respond to oxidative stress that when the pills cease the body becomes prone to oxidative damage? By babying the immune system, do vitamins prevent it from becoming stronger?

I also like the cavalier way they say this warning does not apply to fruits and vegetables, and then speculate that this is due to other substances. If they did not test fruits and vegetables in this context, they don't know if this warning applies to fruits and vegetables, period.