Governmentium

[jpw]

They found it by looking deep within the reflection of a mirror.

Sorry BBD.

[Viper]

Can it be used to build a bike frame lighter, stronger and cheaper than carbon fiber? :D Carbon fiber is so 1879 Edisonish/1963 Britainish.

[flickwet]

Best suited for blockheads or any slow obstructionest vehicle where the implementation of extreme weight is desirable. Soon to be mandated for use in all Bikes due to its ready dibursement by the federal government.

[Tobias]

Soon to be mandated for use in all Bikes due to its ready dibursement by the federal government.But how does it hold up in a crash? ;)

[BumbleBeeDave]

They found it by looking deep within the reflection of a mirror.

Sorry BBD.

. . . as long as it doesn't turn partisan. But once particular parties or politician's names come up in these things they go over the edge real quick!

Judging by the feedback I get, I'm not the only one who's tired of that stuff here.

BBD

[SamIAm]

Does it have the power to dynamically transfer power from stronger cyclists to weaker ones, in the spirit of fairness?

[Tobias]

. . . as long as it doesn't turn partisan. But once particular parties or politician's names come up in these things they go over the edge real quick!

Judging by the feedback I get, I'm not the only one who's tired of that stuff here.

BBDI have never noticed three locked threads on the front page before.

Granted its Serotta’s option to do whatever you guys want, but it does seem “different” now than a year ago when both extremes were allowed to fight it out for 100 posts or more. Maybe the forum and the moderators have become increasingly biased and intolerant towards those who have different opinions.

If you ban all non-bike related content it will be very unpopular but seen equally as fair/unfair to both sides. OTOH effectively taking a pro-Obama stance by closing these new political or economic threads alienates those who are critical of the administration and where the country is going. You are saying it was OK for Dems to rag on Bush but not for Republicans to criticize Obama.

I don’t envy Serotta’s dilemma because it’s a lose-lose. Having allowed previous anti-Bush threads to proceed for days set precedence; and taking a different approach now confirms bias. Sometimes there are no good solutions.

Have fun, I’m going for a ride while I still can.

[fiamme red]

Have fun, I’m going for a ride while I still can.Yes, before the socialist government takes your bike away and gives it to someone on welfare. :rolleyes:

[giordana93]

I have never noticed three locked threads on the front page before.

Granted its Serotta’s option to do whatever you guys want, but it does seem “different” now than a year ago when both extremes were allowed to fight it out for 100 posts or more. Maybe the forum and the moderators have become increasingly biased and intolerant towards those who have different opinions.

If you ban all non-bike related content it will be very unpopular but seen equally as fair/unfair to both sides. OTOH effectively taking a pro-Obama stance by closing these new political or economic threads alienates those who are critical of the administration and where the country is going. You are saying it was OK for Dems to rag on Bush but not for Republicans to criticize Obama.

I don’t envy Serotta’s dilemma because it’s a lose-lose. Having allowed previous anti-Bush threads to proceed for days set precedence; and taking a different approach now confirms bias. Sometimes there are no good solutions.

Have fun, I’m going for a ride while I still can.


if you do a search you will find that it is exactly a year ago to the day, that pete closed a thread about banning political threads; and that another thread, a poll asking people to vote whether political threads should be banned, was back in September, so both were pre-Obama, and both had people just tired of how things usually ended in spite of noble attempts to keep things civil. So that hasn't really changed. Second, in all of the political threads no matter who starts it, there is equal opportunity for the x's to criticize the y's and vice versa, both before and after the change in administration, and both "sides" seem to have done so. third, about the longest thread in history was just a couple of weeks ago, and that was obviously with the current administration. soo things may seem different, but they aren't.

fwiw I never even read a single post of that thread. it's like reading the same bad book over and again. if the political threads actually had in-depth and informed discussion of policy (an etymological cousin of politician), it might be worth reading, but politics in this country is too much like a religion: you are a believer, have faith in the discourse, cannot abide a dissenting discourse and bang, you've got a flame war.



let's at least debate the merits of sloping top tubes or aluminum vs carbon seat posts

[Louis]

Yes, before the socialist government takes your bike away and gives it to someone on welfare. :rolleyes:

I thought they were Communists.

[Viper]

I thought they were Communists.

Lou, they're Kommunists. And we don't use that word, we say Pinkos. And since it's cycling forum, the cOdE is...TMobiles or Jan Ulrichs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62hXmAhG7no

:beer:

[Richard]

ON THE NOSE:

"...it's like reading the same bad book over and again. if the political threads actually had in-depth and informed discussion of policy (an etymological cousin of politician), it might be worth reading, but politics in this country is too much like a religion: you are a believer, have faith in the discourse, cannot abide a dissenting discourse and bang, you've got a flame war."

Sometimes makes me wonder how many of the posters have headaches, stomach aches or ulcers.

[giordana93]

careful, Viper, Tchmil is back with a new Russian team:



http://www.velonews.com/article/86584

[johnnymossville]

Actually they are, they just haven't found a way to package and sell the word well enough yet. It's all in the Branding! :beer:

[Viper]

careful, Viper, Tchmil is back with a new Russian team:



http://www.velonews.com/article/86584

Mr. Tchmil, tear down this budget!

:beer:

[93legendti]

ON THE NOSE:

"...it's like reading the same bad book over and again. if the political threads actually had in-depth and informed discussion of policy (an etymological cousin of politician), it might be worth reading, but politics in this country is too much like a religion: you are a believer, have faith in the discourse, cannot abide a dissenting discourse and bang, you've got a flame war."

Sometimes makes me wonder how many of the posters have headaches, stomach aches or ulcers.
http://forums.thepaceline.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=450467

93, that is my point. While I find Pres. Bush to be a boob, everything is not his fault...

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=595056&postcount=45

93legendti, of course it cuts both ways...from my side of the fence this still falls to the Replicans who failed to deliver and, based on "I did it" statements from McCain, made him look like a putz..

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=407237&postcount=1

The following was sent to me and I am curious...has anyone read the cited diary? Is this really in it?

"A moment I've been dreading. George brought his ne're-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I'll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they'll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work."


-- Ronald Reagan in his recently published diaries, May 17, 1986.

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=398906&postcount=32

What climate change?
http://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=29886&stc=1

[Richard]

93, your point is lost on me. I just agreed with someone who makes a valid point, apparently you chose to do a search to prove my agreeing is somehow flawed or worse. Point noted. I have contributed to some conversations that were not in depth. Bummer on me.

Please note, however that I see none of the vitriol in the cited posts that seem to be the touchstone of posts by many. Further, I would never deign to have the ego, hubris or punitive agenda that it takes to try to tear an individual down by searching out all of their posts in an attempt to win an argument that doesn't exist. Why you took this personally, I do not know, only you do.

[93legendti]

93, your point is lost on me. I just agreed with someone who makes a valid point, apparently you chose to do a search to prove my agreeing is somehow flawed or worse. Point noted. I have contributed to some conversations that were not in depth. Bummer on me.

Please note, however that I see none of the vitriol in the cited posts that seem to be the touchstone of posts by many. Further, I would never deign to have the ego, hubris or punitive agenda that it takes to try to tear an individual down by searching out all of their posts in an attempt to win an argument that doesn't exist. Why you took this personally, I do not know, only you do.
Not personally at all. I was amused that someone who has used your language and images (boob, putz, Alfred e. Newman and an alleged diary page disparaging Pres. Bush) to describe Republicans would say:

"...if the political threads actually had in-depth and informed discussion of policy (an etymological cousin of politician), it might be worth reading..."

Of course you don't see "vitriol". In your view, and in the view of many here, it is ok if it's about Republicans (and Lance). If it is about anyone else it gets locked.

[Richard]

It is way too tiresome to have a back and forth on something like this. Everyone is free to form their own opinion as to vitriol, agendas, anger, etc. and its source. I guess it can't suck as bad as you say since you stay and keep posting (and are able to do so).

[Lifelover]

I have never noticed three locked threads on the front page before.




I say we make it 4!

Edit! We got 4, Let's go for 5!

Edit:Edit! Back to 3 :crap:

[MarleyMon]

I used to get a little miffed when Blue Jay would try to steer every BS/OT/GD/FD-UPt political thread back to bicycles, but now I'm taking up the cause.

Big Bike show in Indy this weekend.
Ya'll come - it'll be fun.

[flickwet]

This thread should be about the funny, governmentium is hilarious to me

[csm]

ON THE NOSE:

"...it's like reading the same bad book over and again. if the political threads actually had in-depth and informed discussion of policy (an etymological cousin of politician), it might be worth reading, but politics in this country is too much like a religion: you are a believer, have faith in the discourse, cannot abide a dissenting discourse and bang, you've got a flame war."

Sometimes makes me wonder how many of the posters have headaches, stomach aches or ulcers.
I'd say anyone who gets a stomach ache or ulcer from what he/she reads here has issues far greater anyway.
it's a forum; basically an anonymous form. get on with your lives. either read or don't.