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eddief
05-26-2008, 11:45 AM
i loved it when she got out of her car and came down the pit to kick someone's butt. too bad track security stopped her.

dave thompson
05-26-2008, 11:57 AM
Hell hath no fury like a woman hit. :)

Erik.Lazdins
05-26-2008, 12:10 PM
It was a racing incident - there is no blame in this one.

eddief
05-26-2008, 12:22 PM
It's a real shame. I just saw the replay and it confirmed my thoughts," countered Briscoe, who finished 23rd. "We were both out there trying to win the Indy 500 today and, when it's time to go, we have to go. But from what I can see, there was still plenty of room on the right side for her to get around. . . .

"We both have a brake pedal in our cars and, from what I can tell, there was still plenty of room for her to get around me."

That's not what Patrick wants to hear, but Briscoe doesn't care.

"I'm not here to get in fights and rumbles," Briscoe said. "We can sort it out nice and quietly, but I'm sure as soon as she sees the replay she'll understand that she's out of line."

cycleman_21
05-26-2008, 03:23 PM
Awww poor Danica gets all miffed and poor poor Sara Fisher gets all misty eyed, (there's no crying in racing)
jeesh it's racing, deal with it,
not an open wheel fan here, sorry.

NASCAR rules

RC

ti_boi
05-26-2008, 03:24 PM
tsk tsk tsk.....INDY 500 is the greatest car race in the world. :beer:

markie
05-26-2008, 03:49 PM
tsk tsk tsk.....INDY 500 is the greatest car race in the world. :beer:


You should have watched what happened at Monaco, yesterday.

jchasse
05-26-2008, 04:06 PM
I don't care one way or another, as i'm not an Indy fan, but she should have been pissed. If i'm minding my own business leaving the pit lane and someone leaves their pit INTO the side of my car, that's not a "racing incident". It's either a blown signal from the pit crew or driver error.

eddief
05-26-2008, 04:22 PM
that sounds like every dumb @ss you find on the freeway not watching the other guy. and expects you to use your brakes because they are too oblivious or too busy to pay attention or care about the other guy.

mike p
05-26-2008, 04:34 PM
You should have watched what happened at Monaco, yesterday.


F1 rules!

Mike

Blue Jays
05-26-2008, 04:50 PM
"Cole Trickle passes on the inside!"

M.Sommers
05-26-2008, 05:27 PM
Handsomerob got me into F1 racing. I resist it, but found myself watching it for a few hours yesterday. I make him watch JAWS every week, so we're even. My thoughts...amazing to watch, any show that doesn't have true commercials...you know it's big. The Super Bowl is famous for it's commercials, yesterday's F1 race avoided them, commercials were minimized as the Indy 500 was shown in dual-screens.

I watched Danica come down pit rode and although I don't know the rules, seems to me she has the right-of-way and it's the incoming/pitted car which needs to work his way in. The fellow who clipped her looked like a fool to me.

Anyone who wants to mock women who race and cry during F1, let me ask you this...do you think you could take an F1 car, do 219mph for one lap, just one lap, without slamming into the wall, ruining a $1M car and breaking your collar bone/face? Doubt it.

Secondly, MALE cyclists are some of the biggest wimps, tres feminine, so before we dump on Danica Patrick or Sarah Fischer, let's look at our own sport first. I watch many MEN cry and whimper when they wipeout, get a flat, fail to win, fail to finish, withdraw, or even get caught cheating with EPO.

Sarah Fisher wept yesterday and why? She fought for over a month to get sponsors ($$$) to be in the race. Under immense pressure to do well, she was able to find third place, had car issues, then her day ended when Tony Kanaan clipped her, race over. Tony Kanaan knows the dealio:

http://www.sportsline.com/autoracing/story/10841636

Kenny Rogers in 'Six Pack' is so hot right now. Erin Gray MADE that movie for me, Diane Lane was 18 in the movie, fwiw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7oqBmkP2nQ

:beer:


.

Ti Designs
05-26-2008, 05:58 PM
let me ask you this...do you think you could take an F1 car, do 219mph for one lap, just one lap, without slamming into the wall, ruining a $1M car and breaking your collar bone/face? Doubt it.


If I could pick the track, have 3 months practice, have another driver pace me, with traction control...

For a hack solo2 driver to say he could qualify in F1 is kinda like a cat5 saying they could hang in the tour - not a chance in hell.

chuckroast
05-26-2008, 06:27 PM
Jason Whitlock in the KC Star had an interesting take today. He reasons that the Indy Racing League missed a huge media opportunity yesterday by intervening in the confrontation. It's not like Danica could hurt the fellow or that he could hit back if she took a swing at him. But, had the confrontation actually occured, rather than being prevented, it would be the number one sports story all day today.

Nascar built their sport on driver personalities and creating story lines out of conflict. Good and evil, just like wrestling. The IRL, in trying to make their sport relevant again, could use a little dose of the same to get their drivers some public awareness.

M.Sommers
05-26-2008, 06:41 PM
Jason Whitlock in the KC Star had an interesting take today. He reasons that the Indy Racing League missed a huge media opportunity yesterday by intervening in the confrontation. It's not like Danica could hurt the fellow or that he could hit back if she took a swing at him. But, had the confrontation actually occured, rather than being prevented, it would be the number one sports story all day today.

Nascar built their sport on driver personalities and creating story lines out of conflict. Good and evil, just like wrestling. The IRL, in trying to make their sport relevant again, could use a little dose of the same to get their drivers some public awareness.

True. It would've been great to see Danica venting. The IRL missed a marketing-moment atmo. Danica should've open a can of whoop arse on the security cat who escorted her away...

What is the next, big IRL race on American tv?

david
05-26-2008, 07:03 PM
i don't know, man.
seems like the dude lit it up coming out of his pit, the back end got away from him and then he tagged her.


It was a racing incident - there is no blame in this one.

Flat Out
05-26-2008, 07:13 PM
You should have watched what happened at Monaco, yesterday.

Word. Now that's racing. You can keep the banked oval, left turn only, no shifting, no braking stuff.

Forza Ferrari.

Erik.Lazdins
05-26-2008, 07:20 PM
i don't know, man.
seems like the dude lit it up coming out of his pit, the back end got away from him and then he tagged her.

Exiting the pit stop, Briscoe's car went sideways - given the hp involved and necessary high revs on launch this is very tough to manage.

Patrick's car coulda been slightly to the right - didn't have to be as it seemed to be outta the way until Briscoe went sideways.

This is the nature of racing.

Since there seemed to be no deliberate intent - I'm calling it a racing incident.

I loved watching Monaco earlier in the day and was very pleased to see CART and IRL make their peace. My last time there was when Little Al won with the Ilmor MB car from pole just prior to the league split. I missed being there!

:beer:

mike p
05-26-2008, 08:13 PM
If I could pick the track, have 3 months practice, have another driver pace me, with traction control...

For a hack solo2 driver to say he could qualify in F1 is kinda like a cat5 saying they could hang in the tour - not a chance in hell.

No traction control at Monaco!

Mike

L84dinr
05-26-2008, 08:24 PM
Has been rather boring to watch last couple of years. One long procession with passing done in the pits. The FIA has tried to change the racing. Going to narrower cars, and making the tires have "tread". Hasn't really worked. PLus all the electronics. The FIA needs to remove the electronics. But then they have drivers who are incompetent to drive Mutli-million dollar cars. Look at some of the past drivers who buy their way into seats, TOOLS with a lot of money and no driving ability. Anyway. , Shumacher was great. But he had a tnedency to drive dirty... Call it character. I liked to follow the teams. Williams and McLaren were my favorites. Old Mr. Williams wouldn't pay his drivers enough. Get a good driver, win the championship and the driver would go to another team with more money.
Jacques Villeneuve was a fave of mine.
Another good race series in its day... Was the old CanAM cars. BAD A$$ cars. With big HONKING motors. Horsepower!
Oh well i've gone on too much. You all prolly know all this anyway.
To end i'll say that Danica is a tool. Give me Lyn St. James or Janet Gutherie. Sarah Fisher is a stud! Races her heart out. Too bad she got booted. Racing sux sometimes.
Have a good evening.

girlie
05-26-2008, 08:54 PM
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Flat Out
05-26-2008, 09:09 PM
Has been rather boring to watch last couple of years. One long procession with passing done in the pits. The FIA has tried to change the racing. Going to narrower cars, and making the tires have "tread". Hasn't really worked. PLus all the electronics. The FIA needs to remove the electronics.

TC is gone this year. Next year downforce is being reduced by 50%.(no more winglets) Slicks are also coming back and the tires and cars will be wider again.

M.Sommers
05-26-2008, 09:35 PM
F1 is not an American sport, Handsomerob has to get up at 4:15am to watch races, he bought a tiVO just for F1. :rolleyes:

I think tv producers, media and the public hate caution flags. Yes, crashes are 'wow' moments that people seem to love too. It's seems to be a tough balance act with this element of race car driving, trimming the cars to be safer, less stoppage, caution flags, versus explosions of metal and buring rubber. The cars (in all racing) are made to be not only fast, but safe.

All I know is Sly Stallone tried to make an F1 movie, trying to push F1. I watched three minutes of it and became ill. NASCAR seems to be a part of American, southern culture and it's spreading.

Still, whenever I think of racing, I think of Steve McQueen, Kenny Rogers in 'Six Pack', all fifteen of the Andrettis, Richard Petty, Fitipaldi, James Garner. But, I think Dale Earnhardt is Eddy Mercky, a God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc2RdFuOxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALY01VFmbio

L84dinr
05-26-2008, 10:56 PM
TC is gone this year. Next year downforce is being reduced by 50%.(no more winglets) Slicks are also coming back and the tires and cars will be wider again.
Well that is good to read.

I had checked in again last year to watch the new phenom, Hamilton, race. Between Hamilton and Räikkönen there was some good racing going on. For a rookie; Hamilton was amazing!

The following is also amazing:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/9/story.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10512153

soulspinner
05-27-2008, 05:27 AM
Exiting the pit stop, Briscoe's car went sideways - given the hp involved and necessary high revs on launch this is very tough to manage.

Patrick's car coulda been slightly to the right - didn't have to be as it seemed to be outta the way until Briscoe went sideways.

This is the nature of racing.

Since there seemed to be no deliberate intent - I'm calling it a racing incident.

I loved watching Monaco earlier in the day and was very pleased to see CART and IRL make their peace. My last time there was when Little Al won with the Ilmor MB car from pole just prior to the league split. I missed being there!

:beer:
It was 94, I think. Anyway Al won because Fitti got too low on the rumblestrip and parked it in the wall. When you see the speeds they go thru the turns with, you know no matter what gender you are you got BIG ones to hold the right foot all the way down all the way around. I had whiplash sittin there watchin them....BTW, Patrick is excellent on ovals, but the best was Rick Mears. Briscoes comment she had room? Anyone knows you dont merge like that, its a pit lane not bumpercars, you got a spotter tellin whos there and two mirrors. Lucky one of the wookies didnt kill someone. Ya, F1 rocks, their braking distances are half what an Indycar is...

Bruce K
05-27-2008, 06:20 AM
MS;

You gotta get your series/cars/terminology straight.

F1 is a european series that occassionally makes a stop in the US. Multiple engine/chassis packages and all done on road courses.

Indy car racing, now solely under the Indy Racing League is a US series that makes a occassional stop outside the US. It is a 1 chassis, 1 engine, 1 tire series that races mostly on ovals.

This was a great weekend of motorsports for all 3 major series. F1 at Monaco was unreal, Indy was exciting, and NASCAR had drama again.

Stallone's movie was on Indy Car racing but was given an F1 twist as it was shown mostly on road courses.

The greatest racing movie made was Grand Prix with James Garner.

BK

William
05-27-2008, 06:41 AM
I missed what happened by tuning in late and just catching her starting her walk down pit row. Then the head of security jumped over the wall and started walking with her and trying to get her to step back over the wall. After her brush off of his first attempt, I was wondering if we were going to see a take-down or control technique being utilized on national TV. Not necessarily great for Indy car image, but possibly necessary in the name of safety if she won’t comply. She thought better of it after he asserted himself a second time.

Watched the remaining 25 laps and Dixion ‘s car was dialed in and no one was catching him. As soon as he took the checkered flag…I was back outside for a mean Badminton competition with the rest of the William family.



William

M.Sommers
05-27-2008, 07:35 AM
MS;

You gotta get your series/cars/terminology straight.

F1 is a european series that occassionally makes a stop in the US. Multiple engine/chassis packages and all done on road courses.

Indy car racing, now solely under the Indy Racing League is a US series that makes a occassional stop outside the US. It is a 1 chassis, 1 engine, 1 tire series that races mostly on ovals.

This was a great weekend of motorsports for all 3 major series. F1 at Monaco was unreal, Indy was exciting, and NASCAR had drama again.

Stallone's movie was on Indy Car racing but was given an F1 twist as it was shown mostly on road courses.

The greatest racing movie made was Grand Prix with James Garner.

BK

Proudly, ima car racing noob. :) But I'm slowly getting into it and I thought Danica had a good reason to be upset. I watched 90 minutes of that race, which is 89 more than normal.

:beer:

ClutchCargo
05-27-2008, 07:41 AM
Jason Whitlock in the KC Star had an interesting take today. He reasons that the Indy Racing League missed a huge media opportunity yesterday by intervening in the confrontation. It's not like Danica could hurt the fellow or that he could hit back if she took a swing at him. But, had the confrontation actually occured, rather than being prevented, it would be the number one sports story all day today.

Nascar built their sport on driver personalities and creating story lines out of conflict. Good and evil, just like wrestling. The IRL, in trying to make their sport relevant again, could use a little dose of the same to get their drivers some public awareness.

Those were the days . . . like the little Cale Yarborough-Donnie Allison incident at Daytona (and coming around them to take the win, Richard Petty just in front of Darrell Waltrip and A.J. Foyt) They sure had some personalities back then!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXbHQtZH8dE&feature=related


:bike: :fight: :argue: :crap: :beer:

Tobias
05-27-2008, 08:35 AM
It was all for show since it was expected of her, but she looked really stupid nevertheless.

Other than smacking the guy, a confrontation of that sort has absolutely no meaning. They did her a favor by stopping her before she lost even more credibility.

Gothard
05-27-2008, 08:46 AM
Fully disagree.
The guy has probably raced some, and he *knows* the pit lane is packed solid. He also knows that doing this will take him out of the race. Yet he did it. About as stupid as locking your rear brake on a wet descent, on a yellow line, in freezing temperatures, on your new bike.

Doesn't matter who he took out, it was a stupid move, and Danica has every right to be p*ssed.

Do this in F1 and you'll pay a 6 figure fine for dangerous driving.

aLexis
05-27-2008, 09:00 AM
It was all for show since it was expected of her, but she looked really stupid nevertheless.

Other than smacking the guy, a confrontation of that sort has absolutely no meaning. They did her a favor by stopping her before she lost even more credibility.

I didn't think she looked stupid at all. She was on her way to a decent finish in the Indy 500, and she got taken out by a bonehead move from another driver. Adrenaline is high, and she wanted to go have words with him. Does she really have to "smack" him to give meaning to her confrontation?

I feel pretty confident that had the cars been reversed, and Danica pulled out and nailed him as he was heading out of the pits, he would not have walked away quietly with no comment.

Tobias
05-27-2008, 09:07 AM
Does she really have to "smack" him to give meaning to her confrontation?Yes.

Isn't everything else already known? Was there doubt in anyone's mind that she shouldn't be pi$$ed?

aLexis
05-27-2008, 09:23 AM
I guess that's a guy thing. I didn't realize that confrontations had to get physical in order to have meaning.

Tobias
05-27-2008, 10:12 AM
I guess that's a guy thing. I didn't realize that confrontations had to get physical in order to have meaning.Yes I'm a guy but willing to learn.

If she had reached him, stood in front of him, and yelled her heart out about how stupid his move was (and it was), what would have been accomplished?

In cycling terms, let's say a guy in front of a paceline doesn't see a rock on the road, hits it, and goes down taking a bunch of other riders with him. Does it make sense to you that those who can should walk up to the guy and yell at him because he made a mistake? Don't you think the guy already knows? Shouldn't we already know that he feels badly about getting a bunch of guys hurt? Why rub it in?

I've seen guys do it (actually more so than ladies), but I think it's stupid -- it's just venting. Unless it's intentional we need to let it go.

By the way, I'm not going to engage on a sexist debate -- whether auto racing or not.

rwsaunders
05-27-2008, 10:13 AM
Drivers at that level have type AAAAA personalities and winning is the only thing. She reacted no differently than any of the other drivers do when they feel slighted, although I think it sends the wrong message in terms of sportsmanship.

I'm sure she was doing that math and thinking that 13th place pays the bills, but a 1st place Indy finish funds the retirement. She's been known to be in a good mood too.

http://www.break.com/index/danica-patrick-godaddy-web-exclusive.html

Bruce K
05-27-2008, 10:17 AM
I gave her a lot of credit for actually leaving the pits (after much direction from several officials).

Adrenaline is REALLY high and the money difference between 7th (where she was when she pitted) and wherever she ended up is significant.

She had every right to be pissed and I think she ended up looking better by NOT smacking Briscoe upside his head.

This was not "just a racing incident". The Right front tire changer is responsible for putting Briscoe into pit lane traffic as quickly as possible, but also SAFELY. He cut it close and then Briscoe lost control of his car and fishtailed into Danica's car. Had Brisoce either been held a nanosecond to allow Danica's car to go buy or had he held reasonable control of his car, they both would have finished the 500.

While my motorsports experience was a while ago, I lost a whole car from someone's bonehead move so I can relate a bit to the situation.

Had it been another driver besides Danica, we'd be having a lot less conversation.

As for Sarah Fisher, Her spin was her own fault, the crash that took her out was just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Marco dove under Kanaan and left him in a difficult situation. He was not able to hold control of his car and spun right in front of Fisher.

For a team/owner on a shoestring budget, trying to find the money to continue racing, this was a huge setback. She had every right to be upset and was just being human in showing it.

BK

Charles M
05-27-2008, 10:37 AM
I think it made great theater... The biggest "event" inside motorsports biggest (arguable) event.


The guy did something careless for sure, but you didn't see Kanan welling up and walking down pit lane toward his team mate for doing something much far more dangerous... Same thing at the Monaco Grand Prix where Adrien Sutil didn't stiffly stroll down to the Ferrari garage after an incident that will likely cause Force India to lose millions as they lost the points that pay TV dollars...

Short of a win (or even a competitive run), this was a great way to create a media splash...


She has the respect of the guys, but it's for things besides silly stuff like tantrums... But tantrums are not a girl thing. watch nascar...

Flat Out
05-27-2008, 10:45 AM
Stallone's movie was on Indy Car racing but was given an F1 twist as it was shown mostly on road courses.

I was like Champ Car

CMY
05-27-2008, 11:05 AM
Could've done without Danika's temper tantrum, felt bad for Fisher, Kaanan and Scheckter though, for various reasons.

Ultimately I'm just glad that our old racing buddy TBell finished in the top 10 with no incidents. If you've followed him at all that's quite a feat! :cool:

Gothard
05-27-2008, 11:46 AM
a guy in front of a paceline doesn't see a rock on the road, hits it, and goes down taking a bunch of other riders with him.

There is the rub. He knew the pit lane was chock full, and that only would have warranted a careful exit. What does he do? He nails it, and drifts it into the trafic path. Real good driver.

Danica should not have to yell at him. Officials should.

Tobias
05-27-2008, 12:46 PM
There is the rub. He knew the pit lane was chock full, and that only would have warranted a careful exit. What does he do? He nails it, and drifts it into the trafic path. Real good driver.

Danica should not have to yell at him. Officials should.With all due respect Gothard, you are missing my point in light that I've already stated he was at fault.
Yelling at Briscoe would have accomplished about as much as yelling at you or me. So why do it?
It’s not about whether her anger/disappointment was justified; it’s about whether yelling will do any good.
Other than for show, what was the purpose for the outburst? Was it to make us think she is as tough as Rambo?

Gothard
05-27-2008, 12:53 PM
Tobias,
Sorry I missed the point of you stating he was wrong. We agree on that.

Now for the outburst, it is fully understandable. I would have gone ballistic in her place, and called my friend Dr Kalashnikov to settle things. She is human like us, and showed better restraint than I would have.

Charles M
05-27-2008, 12:56 PM
I'm not sure we get to tell other folks "what it's about"...

If stomping down pit lane made her feel better, good for her.


and eh, her sponsors ;)



Not saying I agree with it (or that it was usefull to me or anyone else but Motorola and Go Daddy but "the bottom line" is she did what she wanted to...

we can take it any way we like. and we don't have to like it any way we take it...

Seramount
05-27-2008, 01:04 PM
I can get pissed enough to want to engage in a little confrontation when someone jacks me up on the interstate...and that's with no collision.

what was Danica supposed to do, go bake cookies?

jchasse
05-27-2008, 02:34 PM
Well that is good to read.

I had checked in again last year to watch the new phenom, Hamilton, race. Between Hamilton and Räikkönen there was some good racing going on. For a rookie; Hamilton was amazing!



Um, hamilton only gets to be a rookie for one year like everyone else. :)

Here's my proposal to make F1 more interesting: In stead of 3 qual sessions, have 2. In the first session, the slower car from each team gets relegated to the back half of the grid. The second session determines starting positions of the front half! Think about it... :D

I know the teams wouldn't go for it, but it would be fun to watch the races on Sunday!

Bruce K
05-27-2008, 03:25 PM
An intriguing idea but F1 starts are dangerous enough without the added risk of faster guys trying to get to the front in a hurry so as not to lose too much distance to the leaders.

I understand the tradition and excitement of standing starts but I always hated them.

BK

RPS
05-27-2008, 04:17 PM
Still, whenever I think of racing, I think of Steve McQueen, Kenny Rogers in 'Six Pack', all fifteen of the Andrettis, Richard Petty, Fitipaldi, James Garner. But, I think Dale Earnhardt is Eddy Mercky, a God.What does that make Fangio, by many accounts the best ever for his time? :beer:

Ti Designs
05-27-2008, 05:21 PM
As this is starting to sound just like one of those bike racing threads, I'm going to have to ask: How many people here have spent any time behind the wheel of a race car?

CMY
05-27-2008, 05:34 PM
As this is starting to sound just like one of those bike racing threads, I'm going to have to ask: How many people here have spent any time behind the wheel of a race car?
What do you mean by "race car"?

I used to participate in some HPDE's back in '96'-'01 but didn't have the coin back then to build a dedicated car (many attempts though). Fortunately my friends were good enough to indulge me with some wheel time here and there- one is currently racing in the Speed World Challenge series.

Flat Out
05-27-2008, 05:47 PM
As this is starting to sound just like one of those bike racing threads, I'm going to have to ask: How many people here have spent any time behind the wheel of a race car?

I have. Open wheel formula car.

Ti Designs
05-27-2008, 06:10 PM
I have. Open wheel formula car.

Are we talking Spec racer, Formula Ford, Formula Dodge, F3000... I've done a number of driving schools in both Formula Fords and Formula Dodges - even finished in the top 20% at the run-offs. Maybe you can clue the rest of the forum members in on just how much you see out of those things and how easy it is to merge with traffic - it's a bit different from your average minivan.

Bruce K
05-27-2008, 06:11 PM
I raced from 1976 - 1987.

HP Austin Healey Sprite for several seasons.

2 versions of the D-13 FVee.

Some endurance racing in Showroom Stock.

2 seasons of spot drives in the Firestone Firehawk series (predecessor to the Speedworld Challenge).

In and around all that I was a National License holder in the SCCA and a Flag and Communications worker and a National Chief Steward License holder.

BK

BK

Erik.Lazdins
05-27-2008, 06:14 PM
I believe, as stated in my earlier posts, that this was a racing incident and should be without blame.

Based on the lack of formal complaints and formal action - this will stand as a racing incident.

I was bummed that Danica and Ryan got knocked out eliminating 2 animators that made the race really exciting to watch.

In an attempt to define "deliberate" I was thinking of Senna hitting Prost at Suzuka in 1990 to secure his second F1 Championship. He told Balestre prior to the race, his complaint about the pole position's position on the track, and then followed through with his promise.

Senna was my favorite driver - Senna's drive at Donington Park in the rain was the most impressive I've ever seen.

Hey thanks for reading!
:beer:

Ti Designs
05-27-2008, 06:21 PM
HP Austin Healey Sprite for several seasons.

How many "parts cars" did you own?

Flat Out
05-27-2008, 06:25 PM
Are we talking Spec racer, Formula Ford, Formula Dodge, F3000... I've done a number of driving schools in both Formula Fords and Formula Dodges - even finished in the top 20% at the run-offs. Maybe you can clue the rest of the forum members in on just how much you see out of those things and how easy it is to merge with traffic - it's a bit different from your average minivan.

Yes, Formula Ford. And yes, I agree with you. Your peripheral vision is next to none and your mirrors only show you so much.

Bruce K
05-27-2008, 08:02 PM
For the Sprite I had one parts car.

Most of the important parts were purchased from Joe Huffaker or Bob Spreen.

FVee engines were Bill Noble / Curtis Farley and then ultimately from Peak Perfomance in Colorado. Air freighting engines to CO was way easier than Yellow Freight trucking to Manhattan, KS.

Life was so much easier driving other people's cars and traveling on their dime to Sebring, The Glen, etc.

BK

M.Sommers
05-27-2008, 08:20 PM
As this is starting to sound just like one of those bike racing threads, I'm going to have to ask: How many people here have spent any time behind the wheel of a race car?

I drive on the Long Island Expressway five days a week.

:beer:

jchasse
05-27-2008, 08:59 PM
As this is starting to sound just like one of those bike racing threads, I'm going to have to ask: How many people here have spent any time behind the wheel of a race car?

I've got an SCCA national racing license, NASA national racing and instructors licenses, have instructed for PDA, PCA, BMWCCA, Viper Club, & Ferrari Club HPDEs, done the Derek Daly Formula Racing School and have raced in both sprint and 12-hour enduro sports car races. If any of that counts.

CMY
05-28-2008, 12:45 AM
I've got an SCCA national racing license, NASA national racing and instructors licenses, have instructed for PDA, PCA, BMWCCA, Viper Club, & Ferrari Club HPDEs, done the Derek Daly Formula Racing School and have raced in both sprint and 12-hour enduro sports car races. If any of that counts.
Uh yeah, I think you qualify... :D Ever find yourself on track with PMUM?

Blue Jays
05-28-2008, 01:00 AM
"...I drive on the Long Island Expressway five days a week..."Rumor is that they don't even wave yellow caution flags on that legendary raceway.

jchasse
05-28-2008, 09:36 AM
Uh yeah, I think you qualify... :D Ever find yourself on track with PMUM?

I wish. :(

So, are you the same CMY from Corner Carvers? I sorta wondered a while back, but thought it was a long shot. I haven't visited C-C.com in years. A bunch of really smart guys, but turned into a BB version of the Festivus Airing of Grievances, so not for me. Was never really the same without the original Austin guys (BP et al).

I also haven't been on track in a year... :confused:

scooter01
05-28-2008, 10:16 AM
F1 1/24 scale with a remote, and I did stay at a Holiday inn. :)

CMY
05-28-2008, 10:19 AM
So, are you the same CMY from Corner Carvers? I sorta wondered a while back, but thought it was a long shot. I haven't visited C-C.com in years. A bunch of really smart guys, but turned into a BB version of the Festivus Airing of Grievances, so not for me. Was never really the same without the original Austin guys (BP et al).

Yep, same one. I try to keep it consistent (and luckily no one else uses this moniker). :)

I agree on CC.com; it lost some of the flair once Mumzer, JonnyX, BP, JWL etc stopped coming around. I still check it every once in a while though..

Flat Out
05-28-2008, 04:50 PM
jchasse: Really great pic. Corkscrew, correct?

Here's me in a Skippy formula car at the same turn.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2531524199_034121905e.jpg

jchasse
05-28-2008, 05:01 PM
jchasse: Really great pic. Corkscrew, correct?

Here's me in a Skippy formula car at the same turn.



Yep.

PMUM (Viper) was a great story, an inspiration to any privateer racer, and supposedly a fantastic guy. We crossed paths on the internet, but i sadly never got to meet him.

CMY
05-28-2008, 08:46 PM
PMUM (Viper) was a great story, an inspiration to any privateer racer, and supposedly a fantastic guy. We crossed paths on the internet, but i sadly never got to meet him.
I only met him in passing at the track once or twice, but this reminded me to check up on the plaque we put together for him. Not sure if it's been installed yet (overlooking the corkscrew at Laguna) but apparently it was penned and designed by some idiot savant. :D

From all accounts he was an awesome guy.. I was pretty happy to contribute something like this after the combined fundraising effort of several large forums.