Vista lovers thread, little mac content

[Kurt]

I am a Microsoft consultant. I have over 1000 clients under my wing at the moment, all dell and many laptops.

I have deployed >200 Vista Business clients (dell opti’s, usually mid-high range, 700’s) and I have yet to have any issues. Standard core applications, office 2003, acrobat 8, etc. I have also installed a bunch of less used apps, emr and billing from allscripts, ekg software from midmark, adobe C3 suite, autodesk architect, quickbooks, quicken, symantec/veritas backup clients, openmange clients, APC clients, etc.

Never had one hitch, not one.

Even if there was the uninstall features in vista is terrific, much better and more thorough than xp.

If you want to use Vista without issue I would suggest the following:

Update the nic driver, both lan and wireless – often even if you nic is hardwired you can use the manufacture’s ones from intel or broadcom just fine and they will be much more current.

Update the video driver

Update the BIOS

Download and install service pack 1 directly, do not install via windows update.

If you are using office 2007, which you should because it’s great – download and install sp1 any way you which.

Download and install all on-line updates

Run a low-impact virus program, I like ESET, it just works.

Go to the system properties of ‘my computer’ and adjust for best performance.

If you are using the client for remote access to an ms server running 03/08 do the following:

Run a command prompt (cmd.exe) as an Administrator
Type: netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled
Type: netsh interface tcp set global rss=disabled

If you are looking for an amazing file manager I recommend directory opus from AU, flat out amazing product.

I also have a mac pro next to my optiplex, I am using a dual proc 3.2ghz quad core on it and while its a nice machine I can’t say I would fork over the hard cash for it compared to a $ 1700 opti 755. Apple has a very nice interface, I like the way everything fits together but a properly set up os will fade to the background pretty quick compared to what everyone uses everyday – file mgnt, an email client, word processor, itunes, nero and maybe a financial package.

[Dustin]

I know you said little mac content, but everything above reminds me of why I love my mac after 10 years or so of PCs!

[C5 Snowboarder]

Kurt -- Can I change a setting to allow my Vista Laptop Dell M90 to boot up without entering my password each time? If so can you tell me how to do it?

[Kurt]

Kurt -- Can I change a setting to allow my Vista Laptop Dell M90 to boot up without entering my password each time? If so can you tell me how to do it?

sure, go to START and enter 'netplwiz' in the search area, select from the menu and deselect the checkbox to require a password.

[CNY rider]

I know you said little mac content, but everything above reminds me of why I love my mac after 10 years or so of PCs!


Exactly!
Doesn't that sound like a great time?

My Mac: I walk in the room, reach around back and turn it on, and sit down and use it!

[e-RICHIE]

any blue screen cures atmo?
seriously.

[jemoryl]

Vista? A HS friend of mine had one of those back in the '70s. It appeared to be Columbia's attempt to make a Schwinn clone - heavy as hell, just like a Varsity.

[Kurt]

any blue screen cures atmo?
seriously.

bsod are often driver issues - when do you get them on boot up, once in a while, when a camera is plugged in? what is the os and service pack level please. oh, I like blue on my frame please.

[e-RICHIE]

bsod are often driver issues - when do you get them on boot up, once in a while, when a camera is plugged in? what is the os and service pack level please. oh, I like blue on my frame please.
i got one today on a fairly new dell. i guess it's xp
and i don't know what a service pack is. earlier in
the day i inserted a dvd with some HUGE pic files
and left the disc in the tray. other than that, no
unusual downloads or porn sites atmo.

[Kurt]

i got one today on a fairly new dell. i guess it's xp
and i don't know what a service pack is. earlier in
the day i inserted a dvd with some HUGE pic files
and left the disc in the tray. other than that, no
unusual downloads or porn sites atmo.

then I hope you got the pro service with it - if you did they will help you through most anything. I don't want to come off like an a$$ but if you don't know your os or rev level then you are a perfect mac customer, I really mean it. most of the current tech is all good, for me taking care of business and being compatable its all about dell and microsoft. my clients are on a 4 hr windows, if I have someone drop there laptop in asia they get a new one the same or next day - this is just not possbile with most systems. if your bsod has a stop code let me have it - if you go to support.dell.com and put in your service tag it will come up with all your updates - then go into the device manager, find out the model of transport you have and apply the latest driver. to make a mac run tip-top you also have to do the same thing, mac users for some reason think they don't have to do anything ever. there is a big diff between running and running near 100%

[Pete Serotta]

Kurt, thanks for taking your time and posting the VISTA information.

He is not flaming MAC, so please lets not get into a MAC verses Microsoft.

Microsoft (good or bad) owns 90+% of the market, They are here to stay. While we can bash them, they are "the player" in PCs.

For home use, the MAC is great. For some industries (Music, advertising, etc) MAC can compete. In most they can not compete. I base then on over 20 years of IT consulting. Yep I am pretty much a professional ole folks bike rider now - SO MAC works for me. :D :D

[Kurt]

Kurt, thanks for taking your time and posting the VISTA information.

He is not flaming MAC, so please lets not get into a MAC verses Microsoft.

Microsoft (good or bad) owns 90+% of the market, They are here to stay. While we can bash them, they are "the player" in PCs.

For home use, the MAC is great. For some industries (Music, advertising, etc) MAC can compete. In most they can not compete. I base then on over 20 years of IT consulting. Yep I am pretty much a professional ole folks bike rider now - SO MAC works for me. :D :D

just a short list of how to make it work, as you know the more you have time to tweak the better it runs. to me its all about service, that is why I only use dell, ms and cisco, I depend on this companies to back me up if I ever need it. many people dont know how good ms support is or that its n/c for many things. a pc and a mac users are really different, pc users are the guys that rebuild there own campy levers and like to fool and build up there bikes themselves, they would never take there bike into a shop. they are the guys that pop the hood before sitting in any car. I also get turn-key and that is where mac comes in, just plug them in and they work. so some this allows people to enjoy other parts in there life instead of learning computers. if i was not able to play with things then that would end a part of my life that I really like. you just have to find out what camp you fall into, that's all.

[DarrenCT]

jezus christ thats a lot of work to do.

how about you come over and i give u beer?

btw, when my computer breaks i just get another one from dell for 400 bux

[AgilisMerlin]

any blue screen cures atmo?
seriously.

richard,

when i went through training we called those the "blue screen of death"

[e-RICHIE]

just a short list of how to make it work, as you know the more you have time to tweak the better it runs. to me its all about service, that is why I only use dell, ms and cisco, I depend on this companies to back me up if I ever need it. many people dont know how good ms support is or that its n/c for many things. a pc and a mac users are really different, pc users are the guys that rebuild there own campy levers and like to fool and build up there bikes themselves, they would never take there bike into a shop. they are the guys that pop the hood before sitting in any car. I also get turn-key and that is where mac comes in, just plug them in and they work. so some this allows people to enjoy other parts in there life instead of learning computers. if i was not able to play with things then that would end a part of my life that I really like. you just have to find out what camp you fall into, that's all.
i've had 4 dell laptops and my latest is almost a year old.
i love it. i also have an ibook and the mac stuff leaves me
lukewarm ny comparison. all my intuitive puter skills are
pc-based. oh well. i only asked about the bsod because i
got my first one (on the new unit) this afternoonmo. the
only new detail that wasn't there yesterday was that mega
sized pic dvd that i left in the tray all day atmo.

[e-RICHIE]

richard,

when i went through training we called those the "blue screen of death"
read kurt's post - bsod atmo.

[Kurt]

i've had 4 dell laptops and my latest is almost a year old.
i love it. i also have an ibook and the mac stuff leaves me
lukewarm ny comparison. all my intuitive puter skills are
pc-based. oh well. i only asked about the bsod because i
got my first one (on the new unit) this afternoonmo. the
only new detail that wasn't there yesterday was that mega
sized pic dvd that i left in the tray all day atmo.

I forgot, you are a frame builder, you are NOT a mac person. what is the model # and service tag of your unit please, I will gladly help with your bsod. sorry, what was I thinking.

[e-RICHIE]

I forgot, you are a frame builder, you are NOT a mac person. what is the model # and service tag of your unit please, I will gladly help with your bsod. sorry, what was I thinking.
u r a sweetie.
it's at work, and i'll gladly paste in the specs tue a.m. atmo.
thanks -

[Kurt]

u r a sweetie.
it's at work, and i'll gladly paste in the specs tue a.m. atmo.
thanks -

very sorry, I thought you were another e-richie or something

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9rXWr6Ezax4

[e-RICHIE]

very sorry, I thought you were another e-richie or something

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9rXWr6Ezax4
i'd tell you all about me, but that'd cost me 30% atmo.

[ergott]

That OP is the exact reason I will not upgrade XP Pro and will move over to Mac when funds allow. I've been nursing my computers for almost 2 decades (Win 3.1 and DOS 5 thank you). I'm sick of all these stupid procedures and compatibility issues. Microsoft has made it clear that they release software before it's ready and let the end users deal with the bugs first hand until they release Service Packs and the like. I don't want to keep spending my time dealing with the computer, I want to use it for it's intended purpose, thank you.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,143414-page,2-c,windows/article.html

Just so you all know, Gates had to send out a memo barring anyone from using Google on their computers for fear of getting fired. Turns out the fastest way to find anything on a computer and the internet is Google, not even MS's own search (try it for yourself).

Come out with a product that is ready out of the gates and we'll talk. Enough of this.

[AgilisMerlin]

i got one today on a fairly new dell. i guess it's xp
and i don't know what a service pack is. earlier in
the day i inserted a dvd with some HUGE pic files
and left the disc in the tray. other than that, no
unusual downloads or porn sites atmo.

buy more RAAM,

and run one of these utilities daily.......................i have a problem with cache storage,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,cause i surf like a mofo.......


privacy mantra........the best.....small fast as hell.........

http://www.codeode.com/privacymantra/

helps clear out a lot of space. small utility. fast as hell. bombproof. used this for years............................................. .........

and i use ccleaner

http://www.toggle.com/lv/group/view/kl25623/CCleaner.htm

i use privacy mantra everyday...............

and ccleaner every couple of weeks..............

squeaky clean................

i am running out of space on my laptop............so i gotta squeaze all the memory out of it..........

[e-RICHIE]

buy more RAAM,

and run one of these utilities daily.......................i have a problem with cache storage,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,cause i surf like a mofo.......


privacy mantra........the best.....small fast as hell.........

http://www.codeode.com/privacymantra/

helps clear out a lot of space. small utility. fast as hell. bombproof.

and i use ccleaner

http://www.toggle.com/lv/group/view/kl25623/CCleaner.htm

i use privacy mantra everyday...............

and ccleaner every couple of weeks..............

squeaky clean................

i am running out of space on my laptop............so i gotta squeaze all the memory out of it..........
wow
all i ever do is use the power button.
i never even run the antivirus atmo.
i never heard of those things you listed.
thanks atmo.

[Kurt]

That OP is the exact reason I will not upgrade XP Pro and will move over to Mac when funds allow. I've been nursing my computers for almost 2 decades (Win 3.1 and DOS 5 thank you). I'm sick of all these stupid procedures and compatibility issues. Microsoft has made it clear that they release software before it's ready and let the end users deal with the bugs first hand until they release Service Packs and the like. I don't want to keep spending my time dealing with the computer, I want to use it for it's intended purpose, thank you.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,143414-page,2-c,windows/article.html

Just so you all know, Gates had to send out a memo barring anyone from using Google on their computers for fear of getting fired. Turns out the fastest way to find anything on a computer and the internet is Google, not even MS's own search (try it for yourself).

Come out with a product that is ready out of the gates and we'll talk. Enough of this.

so are sick of it - why did you click on this thread then? I am trying to help, what are you trying to do? if computers are over your head then you can hire someone to take care of it or buy a mac.

[AgilisMerlin]

wow
all i ever do is use the power button.
i never even run the antivirus atmo.
i never heard of those things you listed.
thanks atmo.


i don't know what your temp file setting for memory and days stored,

but if you run privacy mantra...................you will be surprised by how much cache, stored pages, you have sitting on your laptop................lots and lots and lots of memory used and stagnant.

i told norton to go f. themselves, when they automatically charged me a renewal charge on an old outdated debit card, when i even, had it deleted off my system..............anti virus is a scam, it bogs down memory, slows every program down, takes up almost entire cpu productivity, scrubs every email coming in and going out........blah blah blah.........and it is owned by the goverment, so when you do a update they scan your fricin' machine.......i swear...................... :D

been antivirus free for 8 months......................

peace

[e-RICHIE]

i don't know what your temp file setting for memory and days stored,

but if you run privacy mantra...................you will be surprised by how much cache, stored pages, you have sitting on your laptop................lots and lots and lots of memory used and stagnant.

i told norton to go f. themselves, when they automatically charged me a renewal charge on an old outdated debit card, when i even, had it deleted off my system..............anti virus is a scam, it bogs down memory, slows every program down, takes up almost entire cpu productivity, scrubs every email coming in and going out........blah blah blah.........and it is owned by the goverment, so when you do a update they scan your fricin' machine.......i swear...................... :D

been antivirus free for 8 months......................

peace
so lose antivirus and download privacymatter?
and run it daily?

ps set to medium and "one day".

[C5 Snowboarder]

sure, go to START and enter 'netplwiz' in the search area, select from the menu and deselect the checkbox to require a password.

Thanks -- with both of my computers changed today I have added about 30 min to my day. :beer:

[Kurt]

so lose antivirus and download privacymatter?
and run it daily?

ps set to medium and "one day".

with ccleaner, do not use the defaults in the program or your results will vary. who cares about privacy, its your computer. if you are sharing your computer there is littlel you can do to really cover your tracks if the other person knows what to look for. this is why people start to hate there computers, someone suggests something without all the details and before you know it you have wiped out something that is needed. delete your cookies and see how happy you will be doing on-line stuff

[AgilisMerlin]

so lose antivirus and download privacymatter?
and run it daily?

ps set to medium and "one day".


the download takes 10 seconds
after download, and >run
it creates a shortcut near the clock, lower right
after download, run latest update
expand all + to - and check all boxes (expand all the boxes out after initial get latest database)
and hit clean........

30 seconds later done

once a day

it does clear some passwords after it runs like yahoo mail, but seems to leave my logged in status on this forum alone...........

best easy program available


cc cleaner goes a lot deeper, and into the .inf file - tracks all your movements.......but also clears all shortcuts, so if you have done settings on taskbar.......it blows em away and you have to go about creating again.....takes a lot more time to set up........

privacy mantra.......will just clean and free space.........good to go

manually hit the privacy mantra symbol at end of day 30 seconds cleans......done


cheers

[e-RICHIE]

with ccleaner, do not use the defaults in the program or your results will vary. who cares about privacy, its your computer. if you are sharing your computer there is littlel you can do to really cover your tracks if the other person knows what to look for. this is why people start to hate there computers, someone suggests something without all the details and before you know it you have wiped out something that is needed. delete your cookies and see how happy you will be doing on-line stuff
are ccleaner and privacy matter the same, or two options atmo?

[AgilisMerlin]

with ccleaner, do not use the defaults in the program or your results will vary. who cares about privacy, its your computer. if you are sharing your computer there is littlel you can do to really cover your tracks if the other person knows what to look for. this is why people start to hate there computers, someone suggests something without all the details and before you know it you have wiped out something that is needed. delete your cookies and see how happy you will be doing on-line stuff

agree, ccleaner takes a little more time to set up.....and it blows aways settings if you start clicking all the boxes.......


privacy mantra does not.........................more basic........never a problem

deleting cookies is not all that bad, you just have to log back into some programs, and some pages take longer to load. But cleaning them out occasionally is not such a bad thing, right ?

btw: i loaded cc cleaner and checked all boxes, everything, and it went into the registry - cleaned, and cleaned out my .inf files.........the only stupid problems i had was leaving the shortcuts box checked and my taskbar on lower left kept getting blown away after cleaning......... but no problems at all.......my laptop is going to fry soon.......and no more memory.........i have soooooo much music on this pig, i gotta transfer to a separate drive before it shyts the bucket..............

i gotta stop editing this......... :D


cheers

[AgilisMerlin]

any blue screen cures atmo?
seriously.


Kurt,

why the blue screen of death while loading mega pic files, memory ?

[e-RICHIE]

Kurt,

why the blue screen of death while loading mega pic files, memory ?
btw, the file was huge, but i had it in the tray
and looked at it earlier in the day and then stopped.
i recall setting up a new folder and was gonna mine
the dvd for images, and when i dragged a group of
20 over, it nearly lit the appliance on fire. big file
sizes, sistah atmo. btw i canceled the function about
5 minutes into the gig. i knew my machine was in over
its headmo.

[AgilisMerlin]

fun stuff,

i am going to buy another toshiba after this stops spinning. I have put this through hell................and my K key is starting to go........so i am going to have to start substituting C.

Kreative Spelling :D

[ergott]

so are sick of it - why did you click on this thread then? I am trying to help, what are you trying to do? if computers are over your head then you can hire someone to take care of it or buy a mac.


The fact that you had to even start this thread speaks volumes about the integrity of Vista and it's reputation. Computers are not over my head, thank you. Your suggestion is not necessary. My time is money and why should I continue to support a product (I purchased XP Pro and built my desktop myself) that wastes my time? Get the product right the first time (not you personally) and stop treating your end users like lab rats. They have it perfectly timed so that just when the OS gets nice and stable, very few errors, and smooth running, they bring out the next OS for all to deal with. I'm sure Vista will be all sorted out and be safe eventually. Then the next out will come out with the next one. I've been through this since their inception and I'm done.

Please give me one single thing you can do with Vista that I can't do with XP Pro? I don't count slowing my computer down (this is proven in benchmarks all over the place).


PS I clicked on this thread to get a good laugh. What's there to love? Sorry not a personal stab here. Vista just sucks.

[Kurt]

are ccleaner and privacy matter the same, or two options atmo?

computers are a lot like bankers, they like it simple - the only thing that will really slow a system down in a pc are temp internet files and not running a defrag program of some kind. if you install and un-install programs all the time then bits and pieces are still left in the registry and that is the file that keeps everything - if its looking for stuff that it thinks is still there but is not then things slow up - this btw is a main diff between a mac and a pc - a mac has no registry, want to remove a program without a trace, delete it from the bin and you are good - same in unix, everything is file based. ms has done a lot with something that sucks at its foundation. I never un-install programs, I use a program like cclean to just nail the temp net files, defrag, use eset and that is it really. it does not take much to get any of this stuff sorted out.

[ergott]

fun stuff,

i am going to buy another toshiba after this stops spinning. I have put this through hell................and my K key is starting to go........so i am going to have to start substituting C.

Kreative Spelling :D



Bounder (Michael Palin): Ah, good morning. I'm Bounder of Adventure
Tourist: My name is Smoke-too-much
Bounder: Well, you'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: What?
Bounder: You'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: Oh I see! Cut down a little then.....
Bounder: Yes...I expect you get people making jokes about your name all the time?
Tourist: No, no actually it never struck me before. Smoke...too...much....(laughs)
Bounder: Anyway, you're interested in one of our adventure holidays?
Tourist: Yes, I saw your advert in the bolor supplement
Bounder: The what?
Tourist: The bolor supplement
Bounder: The color supplement?
Tourist: Yes, I'm sorry, I can't say the letter 'B'
Bounder: C?
Tourist: Yes, that's right. It's all due to a trauma I suffered when I was a spoolboy. I was attacked by a bat
Bounder: A cat?
Tourist: No, a bat
Bounder: Can you say the letter 'K'
Tourist: Oh yes, Khaki, king, kettle, Kuwait, Keble Bollege Oxford
Bounder: Why don't you say the letter 'K' instead of the letter 'C'
Tourist: What you mean.....spell bolor with a K
Bounder: Yes
Tourist: 'Kolor'. Oh, that's very good, I never thought of that. What a silly bunt
Bounder: Anyway, about the holiday

[Kurt]

The fact that you had to even start this thread speaks volumes about the integrity of Vista and it's reputation. Computers are not over my head, thank you. Your suggestion is not necessary. My time is money and why should I continue to support a product (I purchased XP Pro and built my desktop myself) that wastes my time? Get the product right the first time (not you personally) and stop treating your end users like lab rats. They have it perfectly timed so that just when the OS gets nice and stable, very few errors, and smooth running, they bring out the next OS for all to deal with. I'm sure Vista will be all sorted out and be safe eventually. Then the next out will come out with the next one. I've been through this since their inception and I'm done.

Please give me one single thing you can do with Vista that I can't do with XP Pro? I don't count slowing my computer down (this is proven in benchmarks all over the place).


PS I clicked on this thread to get a good laugh. What's there to love? Sorry not a personal stab here. Vista just sucks.

I have no love for those that are not helpful. I was employee # 28 at a company that had the worst products in the industry, I had an awful time working there but they made stuff work well enough, just like many people that find vista just fine. vista works much better in network enviroments, file copy for one is much better, so there is your one thing is can do better than xp. oh, the company was oracle - sometimes dealing with crap pays off well in the end or at least it did for me. I don't think you know as much as you think you do about computer or else you would not act the way you do about them.

[e-RICHIE]

computers are a lot like bankers, they like it simple - the only thing that will really slow a system down in a pc are temp internet files and not running a defrag program of some kind. if you install and un-install programs all the time then bits and pieces are still left in the registry and that is the file that keeps everything - if its looking for stuff that it thinks is still there but is not then things slow up - this btw is a main diff between a mac and a pc - a mac has no registry, want to remove a program without a trace, delete it from the bin and you are good - same in unix, everything is file based. ms has done a lot with something that sucks at its foundation. I never un-install programs, I use a program like cclean to just nail the temp net files, defrag, use eset and that is it really. it does not take much to get any of this stuff sorted out.
thanks -
i may install 2 programs a year. (i think).
i have a minimal use machine. internet
access. word. a picture program. a media
player. nuttin' fancy here iirc atmo.

[Kurt]

Kurt,

why the blue screen of death while loading mega pic files, memory ?

but the stop codes are the way to start dealing with it. the trick is just not to throw up ones hands but to trace the issue down. all the solutions are out there, there are a ton of really great forums that are super helpful

[Kurt]

thanks -
i may install 2 programs a year. (i think).
i have a minimal use machine. internet
access. word. a picture program. a media
player. nuttin' fancy here iirc atmo.

I know you are on the net a lot! your issue is prob something simple, most are

[thwart]

Hey... I work on my own bikes (although I've not yet rebuilt a Campy lever---the d*mn things are too reliable, I guess) and yet, I use a Mac.

Must be an outlier... :rolleyes:

[e-RICHIE]

I know you are on the net a lot! your issue is prob something simple, most are
you're thinking of mister 30 percent.
i'm someone else atmo.

[dookie]

Please give me one single thing you can do with Vista that I can't do with XP Pro?

My laptop is Vista Ult. It's slowish (especially file copy). SP1 helped it some. Never had any stability problems. Desktop is XP64. OC'd quad-core screamer. Bulletproof.

I also have a Mac IISi w/System 7. And an Ubuntu Linux box. And a copy of Windows 3.11 in a box. And an in-house server box. I am a professional geek.

And bikes...one alloy, 2 ti and 7 steel.

But I still cannot do DirectX10 on XP. Not that I really need to...

[AgilisMerlin]

7 steel.......................................... :banana:

[dookie]

7 indeed...

of course, 4 are in various states of 'restoration' and none are serotta. :no:

[Kurt]

Hey... I work on my own bikes (although I've not yet rebuilt a Campy lever---the d*mn things are too reliable, I guess) and yet, I use a Mac.

Must be an outlier... :rolleyes:

then you will get a pc, that is the way it works. if you tinker with other stuff then this example does not work very well. crap, I am on 4 hours of sleep, I am just making this all up

[ergott]

I have no love for those that are not helpful. I was employee # 28 at a company that had the worst products in the industry, I had an awful time working there but they made stuff work well enough, just like many people that find vista just fine. vista works much better in network enviroments, file copy for one is much better, so there is your one thing is can do better than xp. oh, the company was oracle - sometimes dealing with crap pays off well in the end or at least it did for me. I don't think you know as much as you think you do about computer or else you would not act the way you do about them.


Please clarify. Who's not being helpful? How is my ranting any less helpful than an thread about loving an OS? I like to help out in my areas of expertise just fine.

I don't get your #28 story. What are you trying to get at?

How is file copy better on Vista? Please explain this.


I consider myself a lot more knowledgeable than most people not doing it for a living. I'll go on record as to say on on the right end of the curve of people not in the computer industry. I know enough industry people that cry every time there is a new OS and the problems that come up.

I would love to be wrong about this as I'm the go-to guy for everyone else's problems I know. I wouldn't touch you job with a 10 foot pole.

Don't get to used to Vista...

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/184932/gates-windows-7-coming-next-year.html


Do you think SP2 will be out before that? For reference I didn't touch XP until XP SP2 because I know better. I'm not alone either.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13554_1-9784657-33.html

[Kurt]

Please clarify. Who's not being helpful? How is my ranting any less helpful than an thread about loving an OS? I like to help out in my areas of expertise just fine.

I don't get your #28 story. What are you trying to get at?

How is file copy better on Vista? Please explain this.


I consider myself a lot more knowledgeable than most people not doing it for a living. I'll go on record as to say on on the right end of the curve of people not in the computer industry. I know enough industry people that cry every time there is a new OS and the problems that come up.

I would love to be wrong about this as I'm the go-to guy for everyone else's problems I know. I wouldn't touch you job with a 10 foot pole.

Don't get to used to Vista...

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/184932/gates-windows-7-coming-next-year.html


Do you think SP2 will be out before that? For reference I didn't touch XP until XP SP2 because I know better. I'm not alone either.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-13554_1-9784657-33.html

riding in a few hours! file copy and networking in general is better (faster) and more stable than xp - actually I and many others think the whole platform is more stable. if you surf the net and use email like most of the world then I can't imagine why any os could not be made to work - I spend most days trying to make isa, exchange and sql fly - vista is a snap comp to this stuff. I will make you a nice offer, buy a new pc with vista business on it and have it shipped to me and I will dial it in no-charge, the works - my good deed for the year. it must be a dell and be preloaded with vista and office if that is what you use. you will never think about a mac again, most people have never seen how sweet a pc is when its been setup by someone that has done thousands of them. send me an email when you are all set or if you want to use my dell account for special pricing that is also fine. good night.

[michael white]

This is me on Vista. zip zip zip in and out of tabs, slick as snot, quicker than anything, not one problem. I know it's complicated, and when I ordered this laptop I geared up for it, but really I have yet to experience (on this machine) all the dreaded issues etc. ymmv.

2 ti, a few steel, and I'm in the CG queue.

[Jack Brunk]

Stainless 953 is the new carbon/Ti.

[BoulderGeek]

Sounds like Ergott is the most technically sophisticated poster on this thread.

Why is it that none of my UNIX boxen (Sun, homebuilt Linux, Apple) need antivirus software, yet the company I work for pays $100K a year for antivirus licenses, and all it does is create even further instability in the most unstable computing platform in existence?

I make my living support in win32 crap in Enterprise systems engineering (I really do UNIX and Cisco IOS). I never will give Redmond a penny for the junk they vend.

But, more power to those of you for whom Windows is good enough. It's never been good enough for me (since Windows 3.0 in 1989).

Supporting shi**y operating environments does pay, and has bought me houses, BMWs and a Serotta. I guess I shouldn't complain. I'll never pretend it doesn't suck, though.

[1centaur]

Just to link the thread to cycling more firmly...

I have Vista on a new HP box. I have the Net, and I have my Computrainer software on that computer, and I have McAfee anti-virus. That's it.

I get the bsod about 3-5 miles into a Computrainer ride maybe once every 50 rides. MY theory is that McAfee's update just finished in the background, but I don't know. Vista asks if it should check for a solution on the Net, I say yes, and I see no feedback thereafter.

Other than being good for some extra calories burned, that bsod is a real buzz kill.

[AgilisMerlin]

all autoupdates froze this old laptop

norton and windows.....

got rid of norton
turned off autoupdate


perfecto

[Tom]

I can't speak to the relative merits of any of the small system OSes, but Microsoft can't wait until a product is absolutely perfect before releasing it because it would never be released. You can have the best minds and the biggest test bed possible and you will never see all the combinations and all the timings that you run into in the real world. This is compounded by the fact that their products are consumer products, not enterprise software.

Of course, I'm biased. I work on IBM zSeries machines. As far as I'm concerned, desktops are desktops - of whatever stripe - and there's really only one kind of server for an enterprise that has any size to it.

[Kurt]

I can't speak to the relative merits of any of the small system OSes, but Microsoft can't wait until a product is absolutely perfect before releasing it because it would never be released. You can have the best minds and the biggest test bed possible and you will never see all the combinations and all the timings that you run into in the real world. This is compounded by the fact that their products are consumer products, not enterprise software.

Of course, I'm biased. I work on IBM zSeries machines. As far as I'm concerned, desktops are desktops - of whatever stripe - and there's really only one kind of server for an enterprise that has any size to it.

there is no way that ms can possibility test for all the hardware or software combinations that are out there. They ship all there products broken, they know it and most consumers know it, it’s just the way it is. Unix and mac users don’t have anywhere near the choices that pc users have, so this is the price that we pay. As soon as the world starts using unix and mac clients at work connected to an exchange servers this is where it is.

[Kurt]

Sounds like Ergott is the most technically sophisticated poster on this thread.

Why is it that none of my UNIX boxen (Sun, homebuilt Linux, Apple) need antivirus software, yet the company I work for pays $100K a year for antivirus licenses, and all it does is create even further instability in the most unstable computing platform in existence?

I make my living support in win32 crap in Enterprise systems engineering (I really do UNIX and Cisco IOS). I never will give Redmond a penny for the junk they vend.

But, more power to those of you for whom Windows is good enough. It's never been good enough for me (since Windows 3.0 in 1989).

Supporting shi**y operating environments does pay, and has bought me houses, BMWs and a Serotta. I guess I shouldn't complain. I'll never pretend it doesn't suck, though.

Supporting shi**y operating environments does pay, and has bought me houses, BMWs and a Serotta. I guess I shouldn't complain. I'll never pretend it doesn't suck, though = I think you got it! I love what I do and picking up my checks, that is a big reason I still do it.

[Pete Serotta]

Kurt, you have been very helpful; THANKS>


ergott please chill. Kurt was trying to help and he did. It is much appreciated. You are entitled to your view on MS and anything else - but I am at a loss as to the relativeness in regard to this thread and why attack Kurt for helping. Lets all go for a ride and have a beer at my house (or red) :beer:

THANKS

[Pete Serotta]

Microsoft and the IT industry has been real good to me over the past twenty years. Many toys have come and I have been able to raise a wonderdful family. Please keep in mind "It is what it is". Microsoft in the end owns 90% of that market. It does what it does ok.. (Yeah things can always be better)>

I used the MS products for many years and still use them some. YES I do curse them but they do put a roof over my head and toys in the garage.

Lets not attack each other ,,,, I expect those who have benefited the most from Microsoft to buy drinks for the others...(or pull them up the hills - I will even allow UNIX folks to throw coin and pull up the hill ;) ;) )

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoulderGeek
Sounds like Ergott is the most technically sophisticated poster on this thread.

Why is it that none of my UNIX boxen (Sun, homebuilt Linux, Apple) need antivirus software, yet the company I work for pays $100K a year for antivirus licenses, and all it does is create even further instability in the most unstable computing platform in existence?

I make my living support in win32 crap in Enterprise systems engineering (I really do UNIX and Cisco IOS). I never will give Redmond a penny for the junk they vend.

But, more power to those of you for whom Windows is good enough. It's never been good enough for me (since Windows 3.0 in 1989).

Supporting shi**y operating environments does pay, and has bought me houses, BMWs and a Serotta. I guess I shouldn't complain. I'll never pretend it doesn't suck, though.


Supporting shi**y operating environments does pay, and has bought me houses, BMWs and a Serotta. I guess I shouldn't complain. I'll never pretend it doesn't suck, though = I think you got it! I love what I do and picking up my checks, that is a big reason I still do it.

[Kurt]

Kurt, you have been very helpful; THANKS>


ergott please chill. Kurt was trying to help and he did. It is much appreciated. You are entitled to your view on MS and anything else - but I am at a loss as to the relativeness in regard to this thread and why attack Kurt for helping. Lets all go for a ride and have a beer at my house (or red) :beer:

THANKS


how long does it take to get to your house from brentwood in ca?

[Pete Serotta]

how long does it take to get to your house from brentwood in ca?


About 5 hours via plane....Start at Tom Brynes (he is close to BRENTWOOD.)

Additionally he has lots of great wine and bikes and could care less about technology. His daughter even took his IPOD away from him :D :D

I can meet you there....he has an extra bedroom and has made the mistake of giving me an open invitation.....

[bostondrunk]

Kurt - I purchased a Vostro 1700 that came with Vista (Basic I think). I liked the way it looked, but a few issues:
1. For the week I tried it, it seemed like the hard drive never stopped running. Not sure if this was Vista trying to 'learn' my habits? But literally, it seemed like it was always doing something.
2. Perhaps related to #1, it seemed to take forever to start any program, like Firefox, Explorer, etc.
3. Lonnng boot time. Much longer than XP for me.
4. Constant message boxes popping up asking me if I really wanted to do what I was trying to do, if I wanted to allow something to run, etc.

The processor is a Duo Core 2 54##, 2 gig ram, ATI video card, etc.

I ended up going to notebookreview.com and getting instructions on how to get XP running (drivers, etc.) on the 1700, and have been happy ever since. It seems to run so much faster on XP.
What have you typically done to fix the above issues? I think they are pretty common based on what I've read.

Cheers!

[ergott]

Kurt, you have been very helpful; THANKS>


ergott please chill. Kurt was trying to help and he did. It is much appreciated. You are entitled to your view on MS and anything else - but I am at a loss as to the relativeness in regard to this thread and why attack Kurt for helping. Lets all go for a ride and have a beer at my house (or red) :beer:

THANKS


No attack on Kurt here. Just pointing out an opposing view. That is what discussions are all about. There's nothing personal here or there. Any thread that poses the love for something has the opposing view show up in some way. Try starting a Campy lovers thread and you will definitely see some SRAM and Shimano people voicing their opinion.

Kurt's a great guy to offer his services here. I wouldn't want to be interpreted any other way. I simply have been through this with every new OS Microsoft comes out with (Win 3.0, 3.1, 2000, XP). I didn't get XP until about 4 years ago after SP 2 came out. It came with my laptop. I built up my desktop and had 2000 up until 3 years ago simply because I wanted a clean copy of the OS and XP was well sorted out by then.

While you cannot get it perfect, I think there is some middle ground to be had here with their releases. The basic flaws that have been looked over with new OS introductions are not simple conflicts. They have been serious enough that noone will run XP without SP2. SP2 took a while to get out there. Vista still has some proving to do for me and many bigger corporations. SP 1 is the first step.

The idea of having a computer that I do not have to "tinker with" is more appealing to me this day and age. I used to spend hours and hours a week on my computer getting it working right. Now I'd rather use it for it's intended purpose. XP already does this, Mac does this. Vista, I still need more convincing and I'm not alone here at all.

[jimp1234]

Vista has slightly better security but generally performs worse than XP PRO on the same hardware. So far I haven't found any application that works better on Vista, and a fair number that perform worse. From my perspective there isn't a compelling reason to move my company to Vista anytime soon. This seems to be the consensus amongst most of my IT Dir/CTO colleagues. Personally, if I were to rate Vista, it'd be a close tie with "ME" as one of the worse OS's developed by MS. Btw, I'm not being a MS basher here. XP PRO is a fine modern OS, that compares very well to OS X, and any of the Linux distro's in terms of reliability, performance, atmo. The MAC OS is elegantly designed, and Linux is extremely reliable but to my mind "best" is all about the software you want to run, and what you're familiar with. Despite the mantra from the Macolytes I personally find working with Mac's very frustrating not easy. Not slamming your OS, its just me, and what I'm used to. Likewise Linux/Unix, if I was using it every day I'd remember the 4 or 5 params off of "tar" or "ls" but since I'm not its a pain. My personal fav right now is Xp PRO x64. I've been testing a Dell Opti 755 w/ 8 GB ram running the 64bit XP PRO OS for my power users, and its a rock solid screamer. A few apps won't run of course, and not good for games. I think its interesting that some folks here will state unequivocably that "their" computer OS is the "best", and that the other OS's are "crap" but in general are far more even handed when talking about their bikes. For instance when talking about bikes of the same type or class, I don't recall reading anyone suggesting that a Serotta is alway "best" when compared to a Seven, or a Sachs is "best" when compared to a Kirk,etc. Not sure why computers inspire this "Gott mit uns" attitude so much but they do.

-Jim

[Skrawny]

It is interesting that this thread should appear now.
Forget all of the time it took for me to get my printer working... my latest -and last- tangle with Vista has me VERY frustrated.

I am close to ditching PC altogether and moving to Mac because of Vista.
I bought a well appointed Dell in the end of December 07 because I needed a better computer to run Photoshop and handle my 3,300 digital images. I use Photoshop Elements, and this one came packaged with version 6.0. Bonus!

Unfortunately PSE 6.0 does not work well with Vista. It is unable to show any thumbnails in the "organizer" for RAW files (and I shoot almost exclusively RAW). The editor still works (if you know the label of the photo you want to work on) and if you convert it to a jpg or PSE file the organizer will recognize it thereafter. You can imagine the workflow problem when you are faced with thousands of "broken image" icons instead of thumbnails, and can't figure out which photo to open. I have searched the web for an answer and, although there are many with the problem, there are no answers. The problem is intermittent initially, and then constant, so any fixes I've read about on the www are not really fixes.

I have updated the Adobe Camera RAW plugin to the most recent (4.4), I have downloaded the Nikon NEF codec that allows Vista to read Nikon RAW files, I have the most recent Elements version... I have cleared the cache, I have done everything that the experts asked, but nobody knows the fix. It is true that this could be a problem with photoshop and not vista, but this problem only happens with people who have Vista.
MS blames adobe, adobe blames VISTA.

I am tired of the constant work to make this machine work.

Since this is unworkable, my options are.
1) Spend the $600 for the upgrade to photoshop CS with the HOPE that it does not have the same bug.
2) Back up everything and downgrade to XP. Dell says they will no longer offer me any support if I do this and I have to by the XP software for $200.
3) Jump ship to Mac, which would require new photoshop software and end up costing $3000 after all is said and done. But then I get Vista out of my life for good.

-s

[bostondrunk]

Skrawny,
Do you not own an XP disk from any other older computer you own? If not, you could probably buy someone's legal copy that they are no longer using, pretty cheap. I 'downgraded' my Vostro 1700 to XP and it works great, including photoshop as far as I can tell.

[Pete Serotta]

Skrawny,

I sent you a private note on some suggestions......

Additionally, I would talk to DELL and see if they have a XP PRO install kit (then all you would have to do is backup the directories on machine before doing a new install/

[Skrawny]

Thanks!
-s

[michael white]

yep Vista does perform worse on the same hardware. Don't use Vista on the same hardware. You need at least double the memory. Trust me. Get the right hardware and it will surprise you.

I have the 700-something Opti at work right now with XP pro and am having problems. Universities, of course, are major spam magnets. Good thing I have free IT guys to come by and reload everything. Perks of the academy.


Vista has slightly better security but generally performs worse than XP PRO on the same hardware. So far I haven't found any application that works better on Vista, and a fair number that perform worse. From my perspective there isn't a compelling reason to move my company to Vista anytime soon. This seems to be the consensus amongst most of my IT Dir/CTO colleagues. Personally, if I were to rate Vista, it'd be a close tie with "ME" as one of the worse OS's developed by MS. Btw, I'm not being a MS basher here. XP PRO is a fine modern OS, that compares very well to OS X, and any of the Linux distro's in terms of reliability, performance, atmo. The MAC OS is elegantly designed, and Linux is extremely reliable but to my mind "best" is all about the software you want to run, and what you're familiar with. Despite the mantra from the Macolytes I personally find working with Mac's very frustrating not easy. Not slamming your OS, its just me, and what I'm used to. Likewise Linux/Unix, if I was using it every day I'd remember the 4 or 5 params off of "tar" or "ls" but since I'm not its a pain. My personal fav right now is Xp PRO x64. I've been testing a Dell Opti 755 w/ 8 GB ram running the 64bit XP PRO OS for my power users, and its a rock solid screamer. A few apps won't run of course, and not good for games. I think its interesting that some folks here will state unequivocably that "their" computer OS is the "best", and that the other OS's are "crap" but in general are far more even handed when talking about their bikes. For instance when talking about bikes of the same type or class, I don't recall reading anyone suggesting that a Serotta is alway "best" when compared to a Seven, or a Sachs is "best" when compared to a Kirk,etc. Not sure why computers inspire this "Gott mit uns" attitude so much but they do.

-Jim

[ergott]

I think its interesting that some folks here will state unequivocably that "their" computer OS is the "best", and that the other OS's are "crap" but in general are far more even handed when talking about their bikes. For instance when talking about bikes of the same type or class, I don't recall reading anyone suggesting that a Serotta is alway "best" when compared to a Seven, or a Sachs is "best" when compared to a Kirk,etc. Not sure why computers inspire this "Gott mit uns" attitude so much but they do.

-Jim


Have you read any treads about Zipps?

:beer: