12 pound bike

[Ken Robb]

LBS has Litespeed Ghisalo size XL wit mostly Dura Ace group except for Carbon small ring, carbon rimmed Orion ll wheels that weighs just over 12 lbs on their scale. It is certainly the lightest bike I have ever held. I did not see it on the scale and I still weigh 210 lbs so I guess I won't be digging out thr $9999 to buy it.

[LowCel]

That sounds a little too good to be true. Think they may need to get their scale calibrated on that one.

Here is an example of what it takes to make a 12 pound bike. Keep in mind the frame on this bike weighs 888 grams. A large Ghisallo frame weighs in at 1079 grams, not sure what the XL comes in at. Also the Orion II wheelset weighs in at 1477 grams. That is pretty heavy for a lightweight bike. With a frame and wheelset that heavy it would take a ton of money to get it sub 13. Don't get me wrong, the bike is probably still awesome, just think the lbs empolyee may be exagarating a little. :)

Bar Tape: Cinelli Cork 28
Bottle Cage: Tune Wassertraeger 7
Bottle Cage Bolts: 2 Aluminium 2
Bottom Bracket: FRM ISIS 108mm 131
Brake Levers: 03 Campagnolo Record Ergopower (incl. shifters) 345
Rear Brakes: Zero-Gravity (with shaved Kool-Stop MTB Pads) 177
Front Brakes: Zero Gravity weight included above 0
Cables: Shimano Cables / Tune plastic housing 88
Cassette: Recon Aluminium 12-23 incl. 4g Al-Lockring 105
Chain: KMC X10 (108 links) 241
Crankset: Storck Powerarms Pro (172.5 , ISIS) 0
--Arms: Storck Powerarms Pro (172,5, ISIS,130mm) 313
--Crank Bolts: FRM Aluminium 21
--Ring bolts: FRM Aluminium 9
--Outer Ring: TA Specialite 51t , shaved 69
--Inner Ring: TA Specialite 38t, shaved 25
Derlr (Front) 04 Campagnolo Record Carbon (braze-on,Al-bolts) 66
Derlr (Rear) 04 Campagnolo Record Titanium 10s 186
Fork: Scott C1 Superlite (1 1/8", 220mm) 288
Frame: 04 Scott C1 Team Issue (Size M / 54cm) 888
Handlebar: Schmolke Carbon (40cm, reinforced for use with aerobars) 169
Headset: FSA integrated 80
Headset Cap/Bolt: Extralite Expander plug and cap+bolt 17
Headset Spacer: Scott Carbon 20mm 6
Pedals: Speedplay X-1 (tuned with B-T-P Al-Plates) 132
Quick Releases: Heylight Ti TT axles 38
Seat Binder: Extralite Ultraclamp with Al-bolt 12
Seat: Tune Carbon (new 04 edition, not shown) 39
Seatpost: New Ultimate 27,2/250=93g + USE adapter shim 31.6/65mm=17g 110
Shifters: Campagnolo Ergopower (weight included in brakelevers) 0
Stem: Syntace F99 260 (120mm / Ti-bolts) 103
Tire (Front) Continental Supersonic 700x20 140
Tire (Rear): Continental Supersonic 700x20 140
Tubes: Continental Supersonic (with extended valve stem) 102
Wheelset (Front): 0
Wheelset (Rear): 0
Wheelset: Amclassic CR420 (18/24 Sapim CX-Ray Spokes,no stickers) 1371
Misc Option: Ritchey WCS Rimtape 10


TOTALS:

grams:
5458
pounds:
12.03

Here is a link to the bike. http://www.light-bikes.com/bikegallery/BikeListing.asp?id=285

[LowCel]

Here is a link to some other light bikes. Check out how much work it takes to get them that light.

Light-bikes (http://www.light-bikes.com/BikeGallery/BikeSelect.asp?catid=3)

[Jeff N.]

LBS has Litespeed Ghisalo size XL wit mostly Dura Ace group except for Carbon small ring, carbon rimmed Orion ll wheels that weighs just over 12 lbs on their scale. It is certainly the lightest bike I have ever held. I did not see it on the scale and I still weigh 210 lbs so I guess I won't be digging out thr $9999 to buy it.Ken: You saw it at High Tech, right? I saw and held it too, and it was EASILY the lightest road bike I've ever held. I didn't like that Ti crankset though (forget the brand). I noticed the bike had a standard headset too, not the ridiculous integrated variety I'm used to seeing on most late model Litespeeds and Merlins. Jeff N.

[Ken Robb]

Yep, I was there testing the C d' Acier. Hank said there were several more things he could swap to reduce weight even more. I'm way far from a weight weinie but maybe even I would notice the difference between that and my 22 lb. Riv.

[Jeff N.]

I'm no weight weenie either. Far from it. But I still marvel at bikes that're that light. Also...call me old-fashioned, but I'm no fan of sloping top tubed road frames. Jeff N.

[flydhest]

JeffN,

You're old fashioned.

Sorry, but you told me to . . .

[M_A_Martin]

Flydhest, Send me a new legend and go buy yourself some 7-11 coffee...

Ginger

[gt6267a]

if flydhest is sending legends, i'll take one. in exchange, i'll hand deliver a case of beer and cup of coffee from alabama. that is right, i said alabama. i'm down here working. i have not ridden a bike down here yet, but the humidity is killing me just walking around town ...

[poussez]

does everybody think extra-light frames are safe and worth taking the risk?

[flydhest]

Ginger,

ouch, baby. very, very ouch.

. . . 7-11 coffee

Keith,

what . . . you lost a bet with God?

[saab2000]

The question of risk is legitimate. However, even though many people would not ride a Litespeed over a Serotta, I don't think anyone would call them unsafe.

Most ultralight bikes make their savings in the components and wheels. Things like seats on some of those bikes are nearly unridable and the other parts are often of questionable integrity.

But if a 12 lb bike is "risky" then a 15 lb bike should really not be a problem at all.

[M_A_Martin]

So Fly....

Does that mean that you're not sending me a legend?

[Climb01742]

ultralight components can, under some conditions, be less safe than heavier, stronger bits and pieces, IMO. but very light frames -- like the 2 pound ghisallo i have collecting dust cause its too noodly -- i think are as safe as most frames. sitting in a corner, its damn safe. :rolleyes:

[Ken Robb]

I asked the LBS owner if this ultralight was noodly as that was the rumor that I had heard about the earlier Ghisallos. I never rode one. He said that the one I was holding had oversized downtube (maybe others too) and was not noodly. That's all I know about the matter.

[Climb01742]

ken, you're right. my ghisallo is 3 years old. it flies upward. but noodles everywhere else. the new ghisallos are supposed to have corrected their noodliness by using new downtubes.