Nahbs 2008

[Ginger]

Portland memories....

Sitting in the Llewellyn booth and watching all sorts of other builders come in to drool over his work, not only the stainless lugs, but his fixie behind him as well.

The bike he's polishing here is actually a customer bike for a Serotta forum lurker:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3147.jpg
Heeeerrrrree lurker lurker...c'mon out! Give us a ride report!

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3120.jpg

Another forum member really really WANTED to buy this bike
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3190.jpg


While the Llewellyn booth was inundated by show attendees as well, they seemed content to spend their time touching and petting and photographing the shiny stuff.


My plan was to get some good pics of his bikes, but the digicam I brought wasn't up to the task.

While setting up for a second presentation I was pleased to announce a free bike giveaway. Portland's finest were cutting the locks on all the bikes locked to rails and trees outside the venue.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3100.jpg



What people don't see, Setup
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3068.jpg

The Chinese garden
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3043.jpg

This guy wasn't invited to show his bikes at the show
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3124.jpg


My favorite photo of the show...lots of people moving lots of beautiful bikes.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3059.jpg

[Ginger]

I've been watching Sycip for a while now. I like their work and this caught my eye...disk brake on the bb of a fixie.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3173.jpg

The $16,000 titanium couch
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3179.jpg
It is VERY comfortable...contact paragon machine works if interested :)

There were some fun paint details
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3162.jpg

We wandered in to the Vanilla party
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3105.jpg

Forum member unmasked! It's Gasman!
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3183.jpg

[Ginger]

We had over 22 people for the Serotta forum dinner. Our youngest group member picked our dining establishment as we were walking through town.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3135.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3136.jpg

Karin and Shino sharing recipe tips and drinking their beer...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3140.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3138.jpg
rudeawakening seemed to be chugging every time I snapped a photo that way
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3139.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3142.jpg
My buddy El seems out of sorts, but you guys were nice to him.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3141.jpg

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3143.jpg
The other table...three or four more people joined that table later...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3145.jpg

[Ginger]

All in all I had a good time...

and I have a few more lurker shots...I'm hoping they fess up before I have to post them!

[RIHans]

I have been looking at a lot of photos online, and I keep coming back to that

one bike in the background of the first shot. The yellow and lime green one!

Dazza, you knock me out...Peter W. and of course, Richie are rock-steady.

That and and a couple of Signal bikes...Great stuff.

Nice Tea Garden. Any other thoughts on the show, Ms. Ginger?

[Blue Jays]

Great pics, Ginger!
How does the person on the bottom of that HUGE pile get to his/her bicycle? I guess they have to wait a few hours! http://www.sportbikeworld.com/forums/images/smilies/hi.gif

[Ginger]

Ah, did you find some decent shots of the yellow and green bike? Joe Cosgrove did a smash up job with the paint. The lurker bike has this sparkly starlight type thing going on...

Although this is the first time I've seen them in person, I'm pretty shocked this crew hasn't zeroed in on the Llewellyn bikes. Sloped top tube lugged bikes. I've been watching the stainless lugged bikes for years and they were on my list when I bought my Kirk. Darrell's stainless jobs are sweet and he only does a couple jobs like that a year...but the fixie, wow... more affordable and even the Japanese hipster collector types were petting that one.

I was most impressed by the ridable bikes by builders I've been watching for years.
Some new builders who have lots of positive comments because of something "different" they've done? I'm surprised their bikes hold together.
I also had a great chance to look at the work of builders I've been hearing about for years. I can say that some of their work doesn't photograph well, but is beautiful.

I sort of wish the newbie builders (Some sort of less than 3 years or less than 20 independent frames) had been marked out...it was confusing at times trying to figure out if the builder just sucked, or if they were new. Let them compete in their own world. I welcome the opportunity to view and perhaps purchase from those builders, because some of them are very talented...but I don't think they should be presented at the same level as a Kirk or a Sachs or a Strong or Llewellyn.

Other builders who get lots of press don't impress me.

I chatted with a former Michigander who is now out west and he started a company that makes wool jerseys: wabi woolens
http://www.wabiwoolens.com/index.php?p=page&page_id=fabric
His stuff looks and feels good, and fits tall guys (Too tall admitted that he has one of the jerseys and likes it in part because it fits and it's nice...)

Overall I think the show is worth going to if you're considering a custom bike. I'm not too into the show-only bikes. I think bikes should be ridable. There were builders who were not there for various reasons and I wish they had been. It really is just the tip of the iceberg

[RudAwkning]

rudeawakening seemed to be chugging every time I snapped a photo that way
[IMG]http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3139.jpg

That was to dull the pain of my ankle that I had clipped earlier on the "Fitmaster" machine in our booth :D

We'll have to reprise the event again next year. Twas fun.

[Louis]

Can someone explain to me why you'd want to put a disk brake on the crank axle?

Seems like a long way to take the loads. Structurally that's why rim brakes work so well - the braking force is applied at the rim, very close to where the force is being reacted (the ground). Hub disk brakes are one step removed from that, because you have to carry the loads through the spokes to the hub. A disk brake at the crank takes this one step farther, by then carrying the loads through the chain and the crank. (Which of course is similar to what the rider would do on a fixed, but I bet the disk brake can apply even more force than the rider, causing even greater loads on the chain.)

Anyway, just cause you can do it doesn't mean you should.

Louis

[Ginger]

Can someone explain to me why you'd want to put a disk brake on the axle?

Seems like a long way to take the loads. Structurally that's why rim brakes work so well - the braking force is applied at the rim, very close to where the force is being reacted (the ground). Hub disk brakes are one step removed from that, because you have to carry the loads through the spokes to the hub. A disk brake at the crank takes this one step farther, by then carrying the loads through the chain and the crank. (Which of course is similar to what the rider would do on a fixed, but I bet the disk brake can apply even more force than the rider, causing even greater loads on the chain.)

Anyway, just cause you can do it doesn't mean you should.

Louis

I asked about all that and they had a reasonable discussion. I thought it was cool considering that the fixies often don't have brakes at all, that you use your legs to stop...which is using the cranks and bb as a brake...this was sort of an answer to an unasked question. I'm sure it's been done before, and I'm sure it will be done again. But it's the only one I saw there and then.

(You think I just take pics of this stuff? If that were the case, I'd have tons more...lots of "different" things there...)

The alternative needs bikes didn't get a lot of action in the booth...but they were also very interesting.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3083.jpg

and the long haul bikes that didn't get a lot of attention because they're really beasts of burden, here's Dazza checking one out
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3106.jpg

I also liked the pink Rebdollo cycles bike which I didn't get a picture of...

Nick Crumpton's carbon fiber bikes were sweet...and he won an award for them...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3210.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3209.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p139/Gingerbike/Portland08/IMG_3207.jpg
see ya next year!
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[shinomaster]

Ginger poo. It was great to finally meet you. I regret that we didn't get a chance to chat more. You should have let me know you were in town sooner!

[RudAwkning]

Or at least my arm is anyway. Did an interview with Jennifer Kurtz and made the late edition of the online show rag :D

http://handmadebicycleshow.com/2008/images/showdaily/day3eveningreport.pdf

[RIHans]

I spotted his work in the 2007 NAHBS photos, and have been looking at his

stuff in AWE ever since.

BTW, those trick bike work stands...I would have taken one of those home!

[Ginger]

Ginger poo. It was great to finally meet you. I regret that we didn't get a chance to chat more. You should have let me know you were in town sooner!

yeah yeah, you were too busy trying to charm Karin. I understand. She's taller and prettier than I am. ;)

It was great to finally put a face with the pots.

I was on deadline before the show, and I didn't decide to fly in early until very close to the show, with my deadline I didn't get a chance to contact anyone to say: HEY, I'm there!

That's ok. It was fun anyhow even if you left me out of stuff. I did find the BEST peruvian restaurant in Portland. Andina. I think we ate there four nights out of five...

[Ginger]

I spotted his work in the 2007 NAHBS photos, and have been looking at his

stuff in AWE ever since.

BTW, those trick bike work stands...I would have taken one of those home!

You could have. Both of those stands sold.

I happen to have the ergo here in case anyone decides they loved it and didn't know it was for sale...

[shinomaster]

yeah yeah, you were too busy trying to charm Karin. I understand. She's taller and prettier than I am. ;)

It was great to finally put a face with the pots.

I was on deadline before the show, and I didn't decide to fly in early until very close to the show, with my deadline I didn't get a chance to contact anyone to say: HEY, I'm there!

That's ok. It was fun anyhow even if you left me out of stuff. I did find the BEST peruvian restaurant in Portland. I think we ate there four nights out of five...


Hey, Karin and I had serious baking tips to exchange. Besides, Dave Kirk could kick my ***.

[big shanty]

Thanks for the photos! It was great meeting you, and I had a very good time talking to gasman, El & cinci jim at dinner. Thanks also for startling me narc-style when you caught me molesting that burgundy Crumpton on Sunday. :banana:

[soulspinner]

Or at least my arm is anyway. Did an interview with Jennifer Kurtz and made the late edition of the online show rag :D

http://handmadebicycleshow.com/2008/images/showdaily/day3eveningreport.pdf

In all my years on the road, Ive never seen a Shimano tat :p Nice ink

[David Kirk]

Can someone explain to me why you'd want to put a disk brake on the crank axle?

Seems like a long way to take the loads. Structurally that's why rim brakes work so well - the braking force is applied at the rim, very close to where the force is being reacted (the ground). Hub disk brakes are one step removed from that, because you have to carry the loads through the spokes to the hub. A disk brake at the crank takes this one step farther, by then carrying the loads through the chain and the crank. (Which of course is similar to what the rider would do on a fixed, but I bet the disk brake can apply even more force than the rider, causing even greater loads on the chain.)

Anyway, just cause you can do it doesn't mean you should.

Louis

If you are going to do it I think you should go all the way.............I suppose this is as good a time as any so I'm pleased to announce the introduction of my new FHBS (Fixie Hip Braking System - say "Fibs").

This advanced system using a series of very simple and lightweight levers, pulleys and hydraulic dampers to slow or even stop the movement of the thigh relative to the hip. It's easy to use an not altogether painful. In the end you squeeze the lever and in a matter of mere minutes the bike comes to a stop. The loud moans of pain from the rider act as a warning device to those within a one mile radius that you will eventually be coming to a stop.

I think it should be obvious by now that this system is superior to anything previously offered. Act now before this passes you by.

Dave

[fiamme red]

If you are going to do it I think you should go all the way.............I suppose this is as good a time as any so I'm pleased to announce the introduction of my new FHBS (Fixie Hip Braking System - say "Fibs").

This advanced system using a series of very simple and lightweight levers, pulleys and hydraulic dampers to slow or even stop the movement of the thigh relative to the hip. It's easy to use an not altogether painful. In the end you squeeze the lever and in a matter of mere minutes the bike comes to a stop. The loud moans of pain from the rider act as a warning device to those within a one mile radius that you will eventually be coming to a stop.

I think it should be obvious by now that this system is superior to anything previously offered. Act now before this passes you by.

DaveMuch too complicated. I prefer these (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/27e20b17b9b8397a?hl=en&) methods.

[stevep]

dave,
honestly your system of having the rider carry an anchor with a rope tied around his waist and when he wants to stop he throws out the anchor and stops when he gets to the end of the rope sounds great...
but how long should the rope really be?
i used a 100' piece and i bent my fork back when i hit the car.
50' right?
40'?
the directions dont say
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If you are going to do it I think you should go all the way.............I suppose this is as good a time as any so I'm pleased to announce the introduction of my new FHBS (Fixie Hip Braking System - say "Fibs").

This advanced system using a series of very simple and lightweight levers, pulleys and hydraulic dampers to slow or even stop the movement of the thigh relative to the hip. It's easy to use an not altogether painful. In the end you squeeze the lever and in a matter of mere minutes the bike comes to a stop. The loud moans of pain from the rider act as a warning device to those within a one mile radius that you will eventually be coming to a stop.

I think it should be obvious by now that this system is superior to anything previously offered. Act now before this passes you by.

Dave

[Jeff Weir]

First came the DKS, now it's the FHBS. What will DK think of next? We are so lucky to be able to get in on the ground floor of this incredible design.

[swoop]

stopping is foppish. a cannon mounted on the stem clears all obstacles and allows for a constant 250 watt interval.

[fiamme red]

stopping is foppish. a cannon mounter on the stem clears all obstacles and allows for a constant 250 watt interval.http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=449457&postcount=1

[WadePatton]

Three days wasn't enough for me. What with managing meeting the builders, attending seminars, helping exhibitors, maneuvering through the crowd--heck I missed some bikes! and some beers...

Next time I go to Portyland--I'll plan a few more days to take it all in. I'll be more methodical with my plan of attack on exhibitors at Indy. :bike: I might even read the show guide before I get home. :rolleyes:

on brakes: no chain=no brake with the crank/disc setup. Otherwise I think it's great. I'm a wuss, I have a brake on my fixed. ;)

[72gmc]

Power workout + rapid stopping: solved by the tire that stops you when you stop pedaling.

Edit: Great picture story, Ginger, thanks. Sorry I missed it.

[Ginger]

on brakes: no chain=no brake with the crank/disc setup. Otherwise I think it's great.

Isn't that the same as every other fixie without a rim brake? (and with the kids bikes with the reverse pedal brake action?)

I see other issues with the setup, but they have more to do with durability and whatnot. Personally, I'd whack that rotor with my foot more than once and wind up with a constant brake on the bike...

I just thought it was cool that they'd worked it all out using a splined bb and whatnot.

[Steve Hampsten]

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[WadePatton]

Isn't that the same as every other fixie without a rim brake? (and with the kids bikes with the reverse pedal brake action?)

exactly. It doesn't get around that issue. Personally, if I'm going to have a brake, I want it on the front.

I think the point of that one is to embarrass the police officer who is getting out his ticket book to write up a no-brake ticket. :banana:

[Darrell]

it now Dave!


If you are going to do it I think you should go all the way.............I suppose this is as good a time as any so I'm pleased to announce the introduction of my new FHBS (Fixie Hip Braking System - say "Fibs").

This advanced system using a series of very simple and lightweight levers, pulleys and hydraulic dampers to slow or even stop the movement of the thigh relative to the hip. It's easy to use an not altogether painful. In the end you squeeze the lever and in a matter of mere minutes the bike comes to a stop. The loud moans of pain from the rider act as a warning device to those within a one mile radius that you will eventually be coming to a stop.

I think it should be obvious by now that this system is superior to anything previously offered. Act now before this passes you by.

Dave

[Grant McLean]

honestly your system of having the rider carry an anchor with a rope tied around his waist and when he wants to stop he throws out the anchor and stops when he gets to the end of the rope sounds great...



old skool.

-g

[David Kirk]

old skool.

-g

Dude that is preskool.

Dave