NAHBS Exhibitor List 1-4

[NAHBS]

I havent been to the Post Office yet today, but these are the companies confirmed thus far.
I might add that if those who say they are on board have their checks come in today, we are officially SOLD OUT!
Alphabetically, of course.

DW


NIPC
333 Fab
Ahearne Cycles
Ahrens Bicycles
ANT
Anvil Bikeworks
Baylis Cycles
Bicycle Forest
Bilenky Cycle Works
Black Cat Bicycles
Black Sheep Fab.
BME- Brano Meres Design
Bringheli Bicycles
Brooks
Bruce Gordon Cycles
Calfee Design
Cane Creek
Castellano Design
Challenge USA
Chris King
Cicli Polito
Cicli Zullo
Cloud Nine Design
Coconino Cycles
Columbus/Gruppo Spa
Co-Motion
Continental Tires (Highway Two)
Courage Cycles
Crumpton Cycles
Cycle Monkey
da Vinci Designs
Davidson Cycles
Dedacciai
Delta 7 Sports
Desalvo Custom Cycles
Dirtrag
Dominguez Cycles
Don Walker Cycles
El Camino Fab
Engin Cycles
Fairing Industrial
Fi`zi:k (Highay Two)
Frances Cycles
Full Speed Ahead
Good Times Bicycles
Grognard Bicycle Co.
Groovy Cycleworks
Ground Up Designs
Henry James
Hufnagel Cycles
Hunter Cycles
Igleheart Custom Bicycles
Independent Fabrication
Ira Ryan Cycles
Jeff Jones Custom Bicycles
Keith Anderson Cycles
King Cage
Kirk Frameworks
Kish Fabrication
L.H. Thomson
Landshark Bicycles
Litton Cycles
Llewellyn Custom Bicycles
Luna Cycles
Maietta Cycles
Marcroft Cycles
marschall Framework
Momentum Magazine
Monsere Designs
Moots Cycles
Mountain Flyer
Naked Bicycles and Design
Nice Bikes
Nobilette Cycles
Nova Cycle Supply
Oswald Cycle Works
Pacenti Cycle Design
Palermo Cycles
Paragon Machine Works
Parlee Cycles
Pass and Stow
Paul Component Eng.
Peacock Groove
Pegoretti
Pereira Cycles
Phil Wood & Co.
Proletariat Bicycle Co.
Rapha Racing
Rebolledo Cycles
Rene Herse Cycles
Renovo Hardwood Bicycles
Retrotec
Rex Cycles
Richard Sachs Cycles
Ritchey Design
Road Runner Velo
Roark Titanium Bicycles
Rock Lobster
Rohloff USA
Rolf Prima Wheels
Rue Sports
Sadilah
Screen Specialties Shop Ink
Selle Italia/Pronet
Sheila Moon Cycling Apperal
Shimano America Corp.
Signal Cycles
Soulcraft
Southwest Frameworks
Spectrum Powderworks
Sputnik Tool
SRAM
Steve Potts
Strong Frames
Sweetpea Bicycles
Sycip Design
Terra Nova Cycles, LLC
Thursday Bicycles
Townsend Cycles
True Fabrication
True Temper Sports
United Bicycle Institute
Vanilla Bicycles
Velocity USA
Vendetta Cycles
Ventana Mountain Bikes, USA
Vertigo Cycles
Vicious Cycles
Villin Cycle Works
Waterford Precision Cycles
Wheel Fanatyk
White Brothers
White Industries
Wolfhound Cycles
Wound Up Composites
Ybarrola Bicycles
Yipsan Bicycles
Zipp Speed Weaponry

[e-RICHIE]

sumgai cycles is missing atmo

[shinomaster]

Awesome! How many days will it take me to walk through all that?

[flux]

Wow. Looks like you have a lot of Machine Made Stuff too. Fun times.

[e-RICHIE]

Awesome! How many days will it take me to walk through all that?
dunno
just don't step in it atmo.

[J.Greene]

I thought Rene Herse was contracting the frames out?

JG

[Smiley]

Don, I'll be PO'd if your not out east next year :)

[shinomaster]

dunno
just don't step in it atmo.


Don't step in what?

[manet]

sumgai cycles is missing atmo

the train outta florida is iffy but i know you'll be pullin for him

[old_school]

Don, I'll be PO'd if your not out east next year :)

amen

[NAHBS]

Don, I'll be PO'd if your not out east next year :)
Anything East of the Sierra Nevada range is out east, right?

DW

[steelrider]

Will Roland Della Santa be there?

[stevep]

Anything East of the Sierra Nevada range is out east, right?

DW

no, back east is within 25 miles of my house.

[NAHBS]

Will Roland Della Santa be there?

No, he is going to be in Baja vacationing.

DW

[old_school]

no, back east is within 25 miles of my house.

damn straight

[NAHBS]

no, back east is within 25 miles of my house.

Sure, we'll set up in your garage.

it wont be in Boston anytime soon, sorry.

Ok, all sarcasm aside, NAHBS has specific needs as a show.
1 of which is affordable rooms. Frankly speaking, Boston has 1 of the highest room rates I have seen while planning this show.
The second issue is a hall that is affordable and non-union. I dont mean to pick on the unions, but most of our exhibitors are starving framebuilders and can't afford to spend an additional 500-1k just to have someone else haul in their stuff.

It all boils down to the finances. If I cant afford it, neither can the rest of the builders. Thats my measuring tape.


DW

[steelrider]

No, he is going to be in Baja vacationing.

DW


Bummer. Well actually, maybe I'll head down there on a surf trip and order a custom frame while I'm at it.

[stevep]

what happened with providence?
reasonable rooms, good display space.

[shinomaster]

sumgai cycles is missing atmo


So is Campagnolo? ***

[BumbleBeeDave]

It all boils down to the finances. If I cant afford it, neither can the rest of the builders. Thats my measuring tape.


DW

Albany and Schenectady have some very affordable rooms. Central location. Good beer. Right on the Thruway--very accessible. Within easy driving distance of Twizzler Central.

Just sayin' . . . ;)

BBD

[e-RICHIE]

Within easy driving distance of Twizzler Central.

no wait for you atmo.

[MRB]

damn DW... you've got 137 flavors plus Vanilla. :)
good work :beer:

[Dave B]

Don what about where you live now.

Kinda central to everyone.

Just sayin ;)

[NAHBS]

Don what about where you live now.

Kinda central to everyone.

Just sayin ;)

Hmmmmm, only problem with Indy is convincing the exhibitors that its a good cycling city.
Its a *****en location, and I mean that. Its 90 minutes via air from the East coast, 2.5 hours Amtrak from Chi-town and dining within a 2 block radius from the hotel/cc is superb! 3 brewpubs in those 2 blocks, too...and we all know how bikies like beer....

DW

[NAHBS]

damn DW... you've got 137 flavors plus Vanilla. :)
good work :beer:

Thanks! It hasnt been easy...so i'll take that beer and raise you one.

:beer: :beer:

DW

[swoop]

Hmmmmm, only problem with Indy is convincing the exhibitors that its a good cycling city.
Its a *****en location, and I mean that. Its 90 minutes via air from the East coast, 2.5 hours Amtrak from Chi-town and dining within a 2 block radius from the hotel/cc is superb! 3 brewpubs in those 2 blocks, too...and we all know how bikies like beer....

DW


you could do a one lap industry crit and the speedway... and to add excitement.. execute whomever comes in last place!
ok.. maybe that's a bit much. this britney stuff has me all messed up.

[flux]

I havent been to the Post Office yet today, but these are the companies confirmed thus far.
I might add that if those who say they are on board have their checks come in today, we are officially SOLD OUT!
Alphabetically, of course.

DW


NIPC
333 Fab
Ahearne Cycles
Ahrens Bicycles
ANT
Anvil Bikeworks
Baylis Cycles
Bicycle Forest
Bilenky Cycle Works
Black Cat Bicycles
Black Sheep Fab.
BME- Brano Meres Design
Bringheli Bicycles
Brooks
Bruce Gordon Cycles
Calfee Design
Cane Creek
Castellano Design
Challenge USA
Chris King
Cicli Polito
Cicli Zullo
Cloud Nine Design
Coconino Cycles
Columbus/Gruppo Spa
Co-Motion
Continental Tires (Highway Two)
Courage Cycles
Crumpton Cycles
Cycle Monkey
da Vinci Designs
Davidson Cycles
Dedacciai
Delta 7 Sports
Desalvo Custom Cycles
Dirtrag
Dominguez Cycles
Don Walker Cycles
El Camino Fab
Engin Cycles
Fairing Industrial
Fi`zi:k (Highay Two)
Frances Cycles
Full Speed Ahead
Good Times Bicycles
Grognard Bicycle Co.
Groovy Cycleworks
Ground Up Designs
Henry James
Hufnagel Cycles
Hunter Cycles
Igleheart Custom Bicycles
Independent Fabrication
Ira Ryan Cycles
Jeff Jones Custom Bicycles
Keith Anderson Cycles
King Cage
Kirk Frameworks
Kish Fabrication
L.H. Thomson
Landshark Bicycles
Litton Cycles
Llewellyn Custom Bicycles
Luna Cycles
Maietta Cycles
Marcroft Cycles
marschall Framework
Momentum Magazine
Monsere Designs
Moots Cycles
Mountain Flyer
Naked Bicycles and Design
Nice Bikes
Nobilette Cycles
Nova Cycle Supply
Oswald Cycle Works
Pacenti Cycle Design
Palermo Cycles
Paragon Machine Works
Parlee Cycles
Pass and Stow
Paul Component Eng.
Peacock Groove
Pegoretti
Pereira Cycles
Phil Wood & Co.
Proletariat Bicycle Co.
Rapha Racing
Rebolledo Cycles
Rene Herse Cycles
Renovo Hardwood Bicycles
Retrotec
Rex Cycles
Richard Sachs Cycles
Ritchey Design
Road Runner Velo
Roark Titanium Bicycles
Rock Lobster
Rohloff USA
Rolf Prima Wheels
Rue Sports
Sadilah
Screen Specialties Shop Ink
Selle Italia/Pronet
Sheila Moon Cycling Apperal
Shimano America Corp.
Signal Cycles
Soulcraft
Southwest Frameworks
Spectrum Powderworks
Sputnik Tool
SRAM
Steve Potts
Strong Frames
Sweetpea Bicycles
Sycip Design
Terra Nova Cycles, LLC
Thursday Bicycles
Townsend Cycles
True Fabrication
True Temper Sports
United Bicycle Institute
Vanilla Bicycles
Velocity USA
Vendetta Cycles
Ventana Mountain Bikes, USA
Vertigo Cycles
Vicious Cycles
Villin Cycle Works
Waterford Precision Cycles
Wheel Fanatyk
White Brothers
White Industries
Wolfhound Cycles
Wound Up Composites
Ybarrola Bicycles
Yipsan Bicycles
Zipp Speed Weaponry

Where's Waldo?

[NAHBS]

Where's Waldo?

Right next to the kitchen sink.

DW

[manet]

Where's Waldo?

wrong thread, see houdini thread.

chance to win a chocolate crawler.

[H.Frank Beshear]

Don, I'll be PO'd if your not out east next year :)

Hows about a nice central location like Indianapolis. You East Coast, West coast guys get all the cool shows. It would be nice to have one in my relative back yard for a change. Right Don :cool: ?

[e-RICHIE]

Hows about a nice central location like Indianapolis. You East Coast, West coast guys get all the cool shows. It would be nice to have one in my relative back yard for a change. Right Don :cool: ?
hmmm i don't think so. we had 1-2 threads on this
before, and the east coast is the east coast. after the
portland gig, we east coasters will have traveled west
for 4 straight nahbs, and enough is enough. coast means
near water, and in this case it's the atlantic atmo.
http://serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27408&highlight=nahbs


"four years min near the atlantic atmo"

[H.Frank Beshear]

hmmm i don't think so. we had 1-2 threads on this
before, and the east coast is the east coast. after the
portland gig, we east coasters will have traveled west
for 4 straight nahbs, and enough is enough. coast means
near water, and in this case it's the atlantic atmo.
http://serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27408&highlight=nahbs


"four years min near the atlantic atmo"

Ok 4 years west coast, 4 years east coast, 4 years midwest . Midwest means (at least to me) about a 2 states wide on either side of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon to Canada. Of course I'm just a spectator, you guys are the ones the masses come to see. Hope you all have a great show.

[e-RICHIE]

Ok 4 years west coast, 4 years east coast, 4 years midwest . Midwest means (at least to me) about a 2 states wide on either side of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon to Canada. Of course I'm just a spectator, you guys are the ones the masses come to see. Hope you all have a great show.
it'll be a great show even if it's held in a phone booth in
iceland atmo. personally, i'd like to see it reigned in a hair
and be representative of the framebuilding industry rather
than including the fringe and part timers, but i think the
genie is out of the bottle. regardless, a show for and about
high-class, refined bicycles is cool, and everyone who eschews
mediocrity should support it atmo. my concern is the parity
for the exhibitors who have logged all the plane miles prior
to the 09 gig. i miss the atlantic atmo.
http://serotta.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330761&postcount=45

[NAHBS]

Hows about a nice central location like Indianapolis. You East Coast, West coast guys get all the cool shows. It would be nice to have one in my relative back yard for a change. Right Don :cool: ?

Its a tough question.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DW

[RudAwkning]

personally, i'd like to see it reigned in a hair
and be representative of the framebuilding industry rather
than including the fringe and part timers, but i think the
genie is out of the bottle.
http://serotta.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330761&postcount=45

Well, some folks need an alternative when they realize you have a 10 year wait list :p

But in all seriousness, the more the merrier. At the end of the day, superior craftsmanship will shine through, and folks like yourself, Kirk, Sacha, etc. will still be the envelope pushers. You guys worked a lot harder to get where you are today without the benefit of becoming an "overnight sensation" because of some award at a bikeshow and it'll show. And if the show is gonna grow, as I'm sure DW hopes it will, we've all got to be a little more inclusive than exclusive. We'll save the "elitest, bike-nerd coterie" stuff for this here forum :D

[RudAwkning]

Its a tough question.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DW

Indy. Home of my other favorite convention!

http://www.gencon.com/2008/indy/

[e-RICHIE]

Well, some folks need an alternative when they realize you have a 10 year wait list :p

But in all seriousness, the more the merrier. At the end of the day, superior craftsmanship will shine through, and folks like yourself, Kirk, Sacha, etc. will still be the envelope pushers. You guys worked a lot harder to get where you are today without the benefit of becoming an "overnight sensation" because of some award at a bikeshow and it'll show. And if the show is gonna grow, as I'm sure DW hopes it will, we've all got to be a little more inclusive than exclusive. We'll save the "elitest, bike-nerd coterie" stuff for this here forum :D
agreed atmo.
this summed it up for me.
http://serotta.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330981&postcount=83

[cw05]

DW, ever considered Charlotte, NC?

[Ahneida Ride]

Albany and Schenectady have some very affordable rooms. Central location. Good beer. Right on the Thruway--very accessible. Within easy driving distance of Twizzler Central.

Just sayin' . . . ;)

BBD


Double that .....

[NAHBS]

DW, ever considered Charlotte, NC?

We have considered Charlotte, G'boro and Raleigh.
Farther south, we looked at Charleston, Savannah and Atl.
Even farther, Jacksonville and Orlando (Yuck!)

The problem we keep running into is "our" time of year is already booked for 2 years out. It leaves us with just a couple of options.

DW

[cw05]

I you haven't already, you should speak with the leadership at Gita. With Pegoretti being one of their main builders, I'm sure they would help facilitate the show coming to Charlotte. Several of the builders and attendees who have attended Cirque du Cyclisme in Greensboro would be familiar with the general area. Atlanta and Orlando are almost too big and commercial if you ask me.

[David Kirk]

There is of course just one acceptable place to hold the show and that is in Bozeman Montana. Impossible to fly in our out of, no convention center and limited hotel space but it would be close to me and that's all the counts really.......isn't it?

Dave

[shinomaster]

Madison Wi?

[manet]

LA* maine






*lewiston auburn

[NAHBS]

There is of course just one acceptable place to hold the show and that is in Bozeman Montana. Impossible to fly in our out of, no convention center and limited hotel space but it would be close to me and that's all the counts really.......isn't it?

Dave


Thats right. Shouldnt we all just move there and it would be a show all year round! Party party! :banana: :banana:

DW

[soulspinner]

LA* maine






*lewiston auburn


They grow some very nice things in Maine, so Ive heard... :p

[David Kirk]

Thats right. Shouldnt we all just move there and it would be a show all year round! Party party! :banana: :banana:

DW


Smartest thing I've read in weeks.

We'll leave the light on for ya.

Dave

[rphetteplace]

Chicago????????????

[mschol17]

You should check out Grand Rapids, MI. New convention center, lots of hotels, and Founders Brewery...

[e-RICHIE]

east coast nahbs '09, '10, '11, and '12 atmo.

[SPOKE]

east coast nahbs '09, '10, '11, and '12 atmo.

like it!! see if you can pull a few strings to make it happen. :beer:

[e-RICHIE]

like it!! see if you can pull a few strings to make it happen. :beer:
i am the bad, bad string puller atmo...

[flux]

Providence RI.

Culture, Convenience, Italian Mafia. Can't go wrong.

[David Kirk]

If we head to Prov. we could have Buddy Cianci take care of the details.

Dave

[11.4]

east coast nahbs '09, '10, '11, and '12 atmo.

Anyone run a show on the East Coast? Most viable locations you would have to pay unions to carry your frames into the show space -- not allowed to hand-carry displays even if they are under the UCI limit. You'd have to pay a union electrician to run electricity to your booth. You'd probably arrive short a frame because it disappeared out of the loading dock. Don or somebody would have to pay off one or more questionable types. Most staff working the facility would have to be paid union scale. The mob either steals or extorts in nearly every city. In short, the East Coast is horrible for running shows. There's a reason why Outdoor Retailer, Interbike, Housewares, Sports, and practically every other show except for a couple of the auto and electronics shows now steer clear of the Northeast and book Vegas, Moscone, McCormick, and the rest. Plus, a bunch of custom framebuilders are big news in Portland but in most northeastern cities you'd get lost in the general noise level.

I totally sympathize with the East Coasters who'd like to have a show closer to home, plus I agree (at least in part) with the perspective of keeping this as an intimate and high-end show focusing on the builders. I'm interested how many builders coming to Portland are people I've never heard of. But, I don't think people will be as happy if the convention cost is 3-5 times as much, food and housing are so much higher, and one has all the problems alluded to above.

For several years I ran a major corporate division that made the rounds of most convention locations in the US, large and small. We had special terms to describe the northeastern sites. Perhaps Don can start getting on the schedule for one of the Texas sites -- keep it close to home for him, plus offer somewhat more reliable weather, better riding, possibly a track, and so on. Interbike will have six-day racing next year so what about NAHBS 2009?

[e-RICHIE]

snipped
sorry -
i disagree with all of this atmo.
and i also happen to know that the show will never return to portland.

[flux]

You'd have to pay a union electrician to run electricity to your booth. You'd probably arrive short a frame because it disappeared out of the loading dock. Don or somebody would have to pay off one or more questionable types. Most staff working the facility would have to be paid union scale. The mob either steals or extorts in nearly every city. In short, the East Coast is horrible for running shows.

None of this will happen if you put SteveP in charge.

[cw05]

I don't think the South has all that union/mob BS that the northeast does.

[e-RICHIE]

I don't think the South has all that union/mob BS that the northeast does.
the northeast doesn't have it.
the characterization was flawed atmo.

[NAHBS]

Anyone run a show on the East Coast? Most viable locations you would have to pay unions to carry your frames into the show space -- not allowed to hand-carry displays even if they are under the UCI limit. You'd have to pay a union electrician to run electricity to your booth. You'd probably arrive short a frame because it disappeared out of the loading dock. Don or somebody would have to pay off one or more questionable types. Most staff working the facility would have to be paid union scale. The mob either steals or extorts in nearly every city. In short, the East Coast is horrible for running shows. There's a reason why Outdoor Retailer, Interbike, Housewares, Sports, and practically every other show except for a couple of the auto and electronics shows now steer clear of the Northeast and book Vegas, Moscone, McCormick, and the rest. Plus, a bunch of custom framebuilders are big news in Portland but in most northeastern cities you'd get lost in the general noise level.

I totally sympathize with the East Coasters who'd like to have a show closer to home, plus I agree (at least in part) with the perspective of keeping this as an intimate and high-end show focusing on the builders. I'm interested how many builders coming to Portland are people I've never heard of. But, I don't think people will be as happy if the convention cost is 3-5 times as much, food and housing are so much higher, and one has all the problems alluded to above.

For several years I ran a major corporate division that made the rounds of most convention locations in the US, large and small. We had special terms to describe the northeastern sites. Perhaps Don can start getting on the schedule for one of the Texas sites -- keep it close to home for him, plus offer somewhat more reliable weather, better riding, possibly a track, and so on. Interbike will have six-day racing next year so what about NAHBS 2009?

I wanted to have a mini 6 in 09, but $$$ strapped and no heavy hitting sponsors stepping up puts the kabosh on that.
As far as what you are saying on the Unions, you hit the nail on the head.
We have been small and off the radar to most folks, but now I heard rumors that we'll have serious issues real soon with unions. I cannot go into it, but I will say that what happens in Vegas goes throughout the country.

DW

[weisan]

Texas
Did I hear T-E-X-A-S ???
May I suggest Austin...

[e-RICHIE]

...but now I heard rumors that we'll have serious issues real soon with unions. I cannot go into it, but I will say that what happens in Vegas goes throughout the country.

DW
since we're chatting here rather than on the official
nahbs forum, why not get into it atmo? i'm having
a hard time following the drama. the cities in new
england (prov, worst, n'hamp, springf, hart...) are
union towns and cannot accomodate us?

[flux]

NEHMBS

[manet]

portland west coast
paris texas
portland east coast*






*maine is very open to non union shiite _ and for some
balance portland even has the most lawyers per capita.

[RudAwkning]

since we're chatting here rather than on the official
nahbs forum, why not get into it atmo? i'm having
a hard time following the drama. the cities in new
england (prov, worst, n'hamp, springf, hart...) are
union towns and cannot accomodate us?

Uh-oh. I smell a splinter faction forming here. We'll know for certain when e-Ritchie is seen flashing gang signs at the Indy Fabulous boys and Bruce Gordon is found smothered under a toppled-over display of 40 of his own bikes.

San Fran is in the hi-zouse! Westside is da bomb, y'all, and be crackin' like junkies to their pipes..........................fo shizzle?

[e-RICHIE]

Uh-oh. I smell a splinter faction forming here.
it won't happen.
some of us have pioneer status and feel a bond that is
inpenatrable. we all have a common goal. if my texts
seem divisive, consider me a conscience. what gets
posted here is tame compared to what we write to each
other privately all day long. yeah - 6 years atmo...

[roman meal]

portland west coast
paris texas
portland east coast*

*maine is very open to non union shiite _ and for some
balance portland even has the most lawyers per capita.

Portland is the new Portland. Just don't do it in February. There's no place left to put the snow.

[RudAwkning]

it won't happen.
some of us have pioneer status and feel a bond that is
inpenatrable. we all have a common goal. if my texts
seem divisive, consider me a conscience. what gets
posted here is tame compared to what we write to each
other privately all day long. yeah - 6 years atmo...

So I don't need to pack my nine then? :D

[e-RICHIE]

So I don't need to pack my nine then? :D
pack what you want atmo.
i'll continue with my vigilance until someone
buries me on the 50 yard line at giants stadium.

[flux]

So I don't need to pack my nine then? :D

I would pack it.

You might spot 11.4.

[dirtdigger88]

split the middle and come to St. Louis-

Jason

[Grant McLean]

I totally sympathize with the East Coasters who'd like to have a show closer to home, plus I agree (at least in part) with the perspective of keeping this as an intimate and high-end show focusing on the builders. I'm interested how many builders coming to Portland are people I've never heard of. But, I don't think people will be as happy if the convention cost is 3-5 times as much, food and housing are so much higher, and one has all the problems alluded to above.

I'm not sure I follow. If the point of having the show in the East is so people
from the East can attend, the costs associated with traveling to the show is
less, not more.

1,000's of attending people have to fly across the country so a few builders
save on food? Why don't they just save the airfare, and mail $100 each
to the builders to pay their costs of putting on the show, instead of hundreds
for an airline ticket.

The show should be located where the target of the population for the attendees is...
the show's cost model doesn't factor in the cost for the attendees
of the show, that's where the cry for an eastern show comes from...

-g

[e-RICHIE]

The show should be located where the target of the population for the attendees is...
the show's cost model doesn't factor in the cost of the attendees
of the show, that's where the cry for an eastern show comes from...

-g
er - the cry is comin' from the 06412 in the 860 yo atmo.

[flux]

I'm not sure I follow. If the point of having the show in the East is so people
from the East can attend, the costs associated with traveling to the show is
less, not more.

1,000's of attending people have to fly across the country so a few builders
save on food? Why don't they just save the airfare, and mail $100 each
to the builders to pay their costs of putting on the show, instead of hundreds
for an airline ticket.

The show should be located where the target of the population for the attendees is...
the show's cost model doesn't factor in the cost for the attendees
of the show, that's where the cry for an eastern show comes from...

-g

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0sLJVRvLNKI

[RudAwkning]

pack what you want atmo.
i'll continue with my vigilance until someone
buries me on the 50 yard line at giants stadium.

But there is no 50 yard line at the San Francisco Giants stadium. It's a baseball field :p

And I do empathize with your plight. I was just looking for a good segue to use the phrase "Indy Fabulous".

I have to travel to SoCal to attend Comic-Con and Indianapolis to attend GenCon. What sucks about these events is that they don't roam. There's never a chance of them coming to SF. NAHBS hasn't pitched it's tent yet. I'm sure the East Coast framebuilders (and just as importantly the East Coast attendees!) will get their own show soon enough. I've been very fortunate to have this one show in my backyard the last 2 years.

East, West, North or South, I'll still be attending.

[jtferraro]

prov, worst, n'hamp, springf, hart

Yes, it's time for this show to hit the northeast! I also vote for Providence, Worcester, Springfield, Hartford, or Albany! I don't know much about it, but Hartford, CT has a brand new Convention Center. Oh, and there's a brewery w/i walking distance too. Heck, the all new Science Center will be complete by next year (I hope) and it's smack next door to the CC, so bring your kids! Icing on the cake is that a Marriot is built into the CC. There, done deal! :D

[RIHans]

http://www.buddycianci.com/

Don already told me La'Prov is not in the mix. To bad for us.

Maybe in the future, I hope...Love to see it.

[J.Greene]

I'll save my coin and just go to the ramble if I'm invited. I'll see all the bikes I wanted to see anyway.

JG

[djg]

Albany and Schenectady have some very affordable rooms. Central location. Good beer. Right on the Thruway--very accessible. Within easy driving distance of Twizzler Central.

Just sayin' . . . ;)

BBD

Albany is central to what? The SUNY system? Half way between Rutland and Utica?

I mean, no offense -- I've got some really good friends in the area, it's close to the Addies and Saratoga Springs, and I like upstate NY, but it's not on the way to much of anything and winter up there can really be winter (which is not necessarily convenient for gathering folks from far and wide on schedule). I am, as the kids are just sayin', just sayin'...

For a smaller town accessible to larger ones, I would think that something like Harrisburg, PA could work. It's got a real airport, and it's an easy drive from NY, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Washington, DC, which means both the large numbers of people in those cities and their major airports. I dunno about union issues, but things there generally are inexpensive. Nearby towns like Herhey and Carlisle have managed enthusiast shows of various sorts (like autos).

It seems to me that the show ought to move around, if only to expose builders to different populations. I'm sure that there are people -- consumers, that is -- who will fly here, there, or wherever, to see such a show, but my guess is that many enthusiasts are less enthusiastic than that, and that the builders would benefit from a more varied selection. I could be wrong, and it's not my show of course, but that's my best guess.

[e-RICHIE]

newsflash

i don't think it'll come east anytime soon because (i am told...) there are
only two exhibitors from the east and concessions are made for the most
folks who travel the furthest atmo.


this is me now ---> :confused: :confused: :confused:

[NAHBS]

newsflash

i don't think it'll come east anytime soon because (i am told...) there are
only two exhibitors from the east and concessions are made for the most
folks who travel the furthest atmo.


this is me now ---> :confused: :confused: :confused:

This is not exactly the case. We have fewer exhibitors from back east than anywhere else, that is true. We also have issues with locations already being booked 2 years out. NAHBS is headed east, but not "on" the coast for 09.

DW

[e-RICHIE]

This is not exactly the case. We have fewer exhibitors from back east than anywhere else, that is true. We also have issues with locations already being booked 2 years out. NAHBS is headed east, but not "on" the coast for 09.

DW
has the mafia infiltrated canada yet?
mebbe toronto is a good spot atmo.

[RudAwkning]

has the mafia infiltrated canada yet?
mebbe toronto is a good spot atmo.

We should outsource the North American Handmade Bikeshow to Southeast Asia. I bet it would be cheaper :D

[e-RICHIE]

We should outsource the North American Handmade Bikeshow to Southeast Asia. I bet it would be cheaper :D
should be a sticky atmo.

[swoop]

as americans we really should invade toronto and vancouver and claim them. those canadians made a couple of nice cities on either end.

[Grant McLean]

as americans we really should invade toronto and vancouver and claim them. those canadians made a couple of nice cities on either end.

we kicked your *** in 1812,
and we're ready anytime -
bring it on!

:banana:

-g

[zank]

I don't know what all of the union business is about in the Northeast. I have been point person for setting up booths for my former employer at shows in Fitchburg, MA, Norwood, MA, Worcester. MA and Hartford, CT and I don't remember getting any help from any union people. My lower back certainly doesn't remember. One was at the DCU Center in Worcester and they certainly didn't help.

[Steve Hampsten]

we kicked your *** in 1812,
and we're ready anytime -
bring it on!

How about if we compromise and invade Quebec as part of an oil-for-cheese conspiracy? Our boys will bring home a taste for hockey and poutain and berets and the Quebecoise will have a new national holiday to rally around - Jour de l'Invasion. We'll give them more SUVs and teach them to parler about "freedom" en anglaise.

Win/win.

[Johny]

We should outsource the North American Handmade Bikeshow to Southeast Asia. I bet it would be cheaper :D

And food is much better.

should be a sticky atmo.

Richie for president.

[Grant McLean]

Win/win.

sounds perfect.

We don't have a holiday in feb.
let's get it on the calendar!

-g

[shinomaster]

Does anyone want to go here for lunch? Hand cut meat. Check out the fat. http://www.kennyandzukes.com/

[davids]

Providence
Portland, ME
I'd even go to Albany

http://www.oberlin.edu/faculty/rknight/LPcollection/Images/usa-northeast.gif

There are a lot of high-zoot framebuyers 'round these parts. I thought the attendees were as important as the exhibitors? There are certainly more of them...

[e-RICHIE]

Providence
Portland, ME
I'd even go to Albany

http://www.oberlin.edu/faculty/rknight/LPcollection/Images/usa-northeast.gif

There are a lot of high-zoot framebuyers 'round these parts. I thought the attendees were as important as the exhibitors? There are certainly more of them...
atmo there are frame buyers everywhere and they will
travel to the event no matter where it is. you bring up
the point of nahbs being as important for the atendees
as for the exhibitors. well that is the fkucing conundrum
atmo. one certainly does need the other, but nahbs was
organized as a way for f'builders to share time with each
other, trade resources, and form alliances. now it seems
like a mini trade show, and much of it is comprised of
entities that are not full time or career f'builders. and
then there are the fringe exhibitors who are invited so
you all won't be bored by looking at only just hand built
frames. i would like to know the mission statement and
long term goals for the show. zmatta fact, i have no idea
why we debate this stuff here (even though i am the one
debating it) since nahbs has its own forum which was
formed just for this very reason. mp.

okay. back to my cocktail atmo.

http://serotta.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330761&postcount=45

http://serotta.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330981&postcount=83

[Grant McLean]

i would like to know the mission statement and
long term goals for the show.

I thought the goal was 10 year waiting lists for every Portland builder?

:banana:

-g

[davids]

atmo there are frame buyers everywhere and they will
travel to the event no matter where it is. you bring up
the point of nahbs being as important for the atendees
as for the exhibitors. well that is the fkucing conundrum
atmo. one certainly does need the other, but nahbs was
organized as a way for f'builders to share time with each
other, trade resources, and form alliances. now it seems
like a mini trade show, and much of it is comprised of
entities that are not full time or career f'builders. and
then there are the fringe exhibitors who are invited so
you all won't be bored by looking at only just hand built
frames. i would like to know the mission statement and
long term goals for the show. zmatta fact, i have no idea
why we debate this stuff here (even though i am the one
debating it) since nahbs has its own forum which was
formed just for this very reason. mp.

okay. back to my cocktail atmo.

http://serotta.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330761&postcount=45

http://serotta.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330981&postcount=83
Point taken. I still want it to be a daytrip away from me. That's the only way I'll be attending. Selfish, I know.

[manet]

daytrip

c avatar _ cornwall, ct

[NAHBS]

everyone wants to make suggestions on the location.
Its under control. I speak, at great length, to my site services person weekly about locations ranging from Florida to Mass. and what we are experiencing is that they dont have availability for Feb/March. I have even started looking into April/May as time frames and still, they are all booked 2 years out.
Now, that being said, I am working on 10-11. I know the Worcester city has a brand new CC and hotels nearby. We are just trying to see if they have the dates for us and hotel availability.

I had a thought about Toronto...but I dont know that it would be feasable for us...maybe my site people can clue me in.

DW

[e-RICHIE]

everyone wants to make suggestions on the location.

DW
unsolicited opinion -
nahbs business should be conducted on the nahbs
forum, and issues regarding nahbs policy should be
hashed out by exhibitors. as it stands, the nahbs
forum is not making use of itself as an online board
where all who pay to exhibit may discuss what is
newsworthy. i think that nahbs should canvas each
and every exhibitor and urge him to sign up for the
forum and vent atmo. as it stands, it appears that
the participants there are dave, carl, and myself, plus
the many newbies and lawyers wishing to leave white
collar work and join us in the grunt work. nahbs has
the forum as a resource. it should be tapped atmo.

[jmewkill]

unsolicited opinion -
nahbs business should be conducted on the nahbs
forum, and issues regarding nahbs policy should be
hashed out by exhibitors. as it stands, the nahbs
forum is not making use of itself as an online board
where all who pay to exhibit may discuss what is
newsworthy. i think that nahbs should canvas each
and every exhibitor and urge him to sign up for the
forum and vent atmo. as it stands, it appears that
the participants there are dave, carl, and myself, plus
the many newbies and lawyers wishing to leave white
collar work and join us in the grunt work. nahbs has
the forum as a resource. it should be tapped atmo.


Get thee to the window Howard Beale

[jmewkill]

Does anyone want to go here for lunch? Hand cut meat. Check out the fat. http://www.kennyandzukes.com/

Sunday lunch?

[paczki]

This is not exactly the case. We have fewer exhibitors from back east than anywhere else, that is true. We also have issues with locations already being booked 2 years out. NAHBS is headed east, but not "on" the coast for 09.

DW

You think you might have so few from the east because you're nowhere near the east and framebuilders tend not to be loaded? There are lots o' framebuilders here but I don't think Circle A Cycles is rolling in dough however beautiful their bikes may be.

[paczki]

i have no idea
why we debate this stuff here (even though i am the one
debating it) since nahbs has its own forum which was
formed just for this very reason.

Because we like to debate. :beer:

[11.4]

unsolicited opinion -
nahbs business should be conducted on the nahbs
forum, and issues regarding nahbs policy should be
hashed out by exhibitors. as it stands, the nahbs
forum is not making use of itself as an online board
where all who pay to exhibit may discuss what is
newsworthy. i think that nahbs should canvas each
and every exhibitor and urge him to sign up for the
forum and vent atmo. as it stands, it appears that
the participants there are dave, carl, and myself, plus
the many newbies and lawyers wishing to leave white
collar work and join us in the grunt work. nahbs has
the forum as a resource. it should be tapped atmo.

I'm not a framebuilder, but Richard's is a very professional and appropriate way to handle this matter. Don, it's worth it to get all the framebuilders onto a secure, private thread and hash it out among yourselves. The rest of us are really just a bunch of petulant customers who want this show in our own backyard. Customer perspective is important and you've gotten plenty of it, but you all are the ones who have to run the business (both the framebuilding and the show).

[shinomaster]

Sunday lunch?


A day for resting:)

[davids]

c avatar _ cornwall, ct
http://www.idcide.com/i/mc2/nj/tavistock.gif