Wet tubulars

[shinomaster]

What affect, if any, does extreme mud and rain and wet water have on the glue job? I washed them and put them by my heater to dry.

[Ti Designs]

What affect, if any, does extreme mud and rain and wet water have on the glue job? I washed them and put them by my heater to dry.

Wet water?

[shinomaster]

Wet water?
Yeah, not the frozen kind. That kind is stiff, like it's on Viagra.

[dirtdigger88]

there is a Dry Water (http://www.outdora.com/lawn---garden-watering-watering-aids.html)

Jason

[shinomaster]

WWSD?

[11.4]

Well, wet water, mud, whatever, it isn't good for the bond. It does a couple things. First, the abrasive stuff (mud) causes the latex bond to break between the tire and base tape. Second, the bonds of both the base tape to the tire and the base tape to the rim are reduced when wet and they don't completely recover when dry. Partly this is because the abrasive stuff inevitably gets deposited in the tire (and rim cement), partly because the adhesives are both colloids and when their colloidal properties change even slightly (and they way they're formulated, water will do it) their internal strength (within the glue layer) and their electrostatic bonding (to the rim) both suffer.

[DarrenCT]

Well, wet water, mud, whatever, it isn't good for the bond. It does a couple things. First, the abrasive stuff (mud) causes the latex bond to break between the tire and base tape. Second, the bonds of both the base tape to the tire and the base tape to the rim are reduced when wet and they don't completely recover when dry. Partly this is because the abrasive stuff inevitably gets deposited in the tire (and rim cement), partly because the adhesives are both colloids and when their colloidal properties change even slightly (and they way they're formulated, water will do it) their internal strength (within the glue layer) and their electrostatic bonding (to the rim) both suffer.

*adds to memory*

thnx 11.4

[dirtdigger88]

WWSD?

his team would pay someone to glue a brand new tire on a brand new rim

jason

[shinomaster]

Where do I get his old ones?

[musgravecycles]

WWSD?

Sven wouldn't ride that chitty Neutron/Grifo combination (his words not mine :rolleyes: ). His personal mechanic Richard (who happens to be the owner of Dugast) would already have made several new sets of tires for next weeks race to glue to one of 27 sets of DA Carbon hoops sitting in the corner...

Shino, send me the wheels/tires and I'll dispose of 'em for you, we must be sure no one gets hurt on account of a glue failure...
;)

[shinomaster]

Who's chitty?

[manet]

Who's chitty?

jersey chitty

[musgravecycles]

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[shinomaster]

This Portuguese girl I knew from Taunton Mass used to call me "$hitty John" because I was "the $hit." It was a high form of flattery in Taunton.

[Viper]

Wet water?

"I bought dehydrated water, but I didn't know what to add."

~Steven Wright

atmo

[coylifut]

Sven wouldn't ride that chitty Neutron/Grifo combination (his words not mine :rolleyes: ). His personal mechanic Richard (who happens to be the owner of Dugast) would already have made several new sets of tires for next weeks race to glue to one of 27 sets of DA Carbon hoops sitting in the corner...

Shino, send me the wheels/tires and I'll dispose of 'em for you, we must be sure no one gets hurt on account of a glue failure...
;)

you're exactly right except Richard Nieuwhuis is Groenendaal's mechanic.

[coylifut]

What affect, if any, does extreme mud and rain and wet water have on the glue job? I washed them and put them by my heater to dry.

don't worry about 'em. the guy who glued them on did a superb job. they'll handle a whole season of that.

[shinomaster]

don't worry about 'em. the guy who glued them on did a superb job. they'll handle a whole season of that.

Really? I only paid him with gourmet nuts and beer. :confused:

[rwsaunders]

Wet water?

As compared to dry ice?

[shinomaster]

Yeah water is wet, ice is dry. Sounds like a cheap beer commercial.

[Too Tall]

Really? I only paid him with gourmet nuts and beer. :confused:
Really? He said it was Frank n Beans? Dewd, if the glue job was krap (esp. at the rim edges) to begin with you'd have a problem. After they are clean and dry re-check the edges you'll be happy no doubt.

[coylifut]

Really? He said it was Frank n Beans? Dewd, if the glue job was krap (esp. at the rim edges) to begin with you'd have a problem. After they are clean and dry re-check the edges you'll be happy no doubt.

lemme repeat. the guy who glued them on did a superb job. i'd have him glue all of my tubulars for me, but I have too busy building me wheels. it's a fine day when you can get your lawyer to glue your tires and build your wheels and not bill you.

[musgravecycles]

you're exactly right except Richard Nieuwhuis is Groenendaal's mechanic.

Dang, I coulda swore he was Sven's, I'll have to check it out.

[shinomaster]

you're exactly right except Richard Nieuwhuis is Groenendaal's mechanic.

Why is everyone dissin' on my Neutron/Griffo combo? My feelings are hurt. Back me up Chris.

[chrisroph]

lemme repeat. the guy who glued them on did a superb job. i'd have him glue all of my tubulars for me, but I have too busy building me wheels. it's a fine day when you can get your lawyer to glue your tires and build your wheels and not bill you.

i told you i'm 300/hour i've just been too busy to bill you. and that last front wheel was a beast, took lots of time because of the different length spokes and the crummy rim ;)

shino, they glued up well but clean em, dry em (not with a heater blow a fan over them), and check the edges as josh said and if there's any separation i can reglue them but i wouldn't worry about it. i'm sure they'll get you through the weekend fine. we should look at them next fall....if we don't pull the griffos and glue up some cx's for the summer. :beer:

[MilanoTom]

This Portuguese girl I knew from Taunton Mass used to call me "$hitty John" because I was "the $hit." It was a high form of flattery in Taunton.

It might be the ONLY form of flattery in Taunton.

[shinomaster]

Thanks, I'm not worried about this weekend. I was just curious in general since these are my first. I might try to figure out how to glue road tires on this summer:)
Did you guys hear about the racing this January at PIR? Paved/dirt crit? Should I keep riding?

[chrisroph]

Did you guys hear about the racing this January at PIR? Paved/dirt crit? Should I keep riding?

yes heard about it, and you should keep riding but you should morph into winter training, a very different beast (I've got some ideas for you if you are interested), and you shouldn't do those races unless you want to be toast by april.

[shinomaster]

LIKE LESS BEER ?

[chrisroph]

Why is everyone dissin' on my Neutron/Griffo combo? My feelings are hurt. Back me up Chris.

they just wish they had them. its a rocking racing combo. but if you want, i'll trade you for a pair of op's.

[chrisroph]

LIKE LESS BEER ?

no call me we can make you really fast pretty easily and beer is in the program.

[shinomaster]

Cool. If I quit drinking beer I'd loose another 10lbs. I'd get too skinny.

I WONDERED ABOUT the glue because of OUR_FRIEND! HE made this post a while back and of course I remembered it! http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=31996

[coylifut]

they just wish they had them. its a rocking racing combo. but if you want, i'll trade you for a pair of op's.

here here, those tires rock. the new tread is the most versatile ever. i've never seen a tire that rolls so fast hook-up in the mud as well. the FMBs are the best i've used, but the price of the Grifos makes 'em the best bang for the buck by far. I just bought 3 sets last week.

[shinomaster]

here here, those tires rock. the new tread is the most versatile ever. i've never seen a tire that rolls so fast hook-up in the mud as well. the FMBs are the best i've used, but the price of the Grifos makes 'em the best bang for the buck by far. I just bought 3 sets last week.


Three sets?!! How many wheels could you have in that garage?

[coylifut]

Three sets?!! How many wheels could you have in that garage?

1 set too few

[chrisroph]

Three sets?!! How many wheels could you have in that garage?

he's catching me fast, especially after he "stole" one of my old front tubular wheels, dura ace hub, gl 330 rim.

[Too Tall]

lemme repeat. the guy who glued them on did a superb job. i'd have him glue all of my tubulars for me, but I have too busy building me wheels. it's a fine day when you can get your lawyer to glue your tires and build your wheels and not bill you.
Backhanded compliment guys. I know who glued em' and that fellow has skills :) Did I have to say that????

[shinomaster]

here here, those tires rock. the new tread is the most versatile ever. i've never seen a tire that rolls so fast hook-up in the mud as well. the FMBs are the best i've used, but the price of the Grifos makes 'em the best bang for the buck by far. I just bought 3 sets last week.


They worked really well at Hillsboro. I Like them.