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shinomaster
11-19-2007, 08:31 PM
Lining up for the start of a early morning cross race with numb fingers while shivering in the pouring rain is probably not your idea of a good time. Quite frankly it wasn't my idea of a "good time" either, but that quickly changed.
It rained all week and Saturday night, so finally I got myself a wretched, filthy, miserable proper Portland cross race. The course at Hillsboro is basically flat with a few short hills to run, and were it dry and fair like the country-club course Atmo and company raced on, it likely would have a been a super fast crit race. That was not to be. It was slop. Bill Cosby Jello chocolate pudding is a good description of the consistency of about a quarter of the race.
This was my first race on tubulars which, thanks to Chrisroph, and E-Richie, proved to be a superior sort of tire to be sure. They really smooth out the bumps and corner like crazy at 34psi. They didn't roll off either. Chrisroph is a tire gluing ninja.
The race was fun. How could it not be? Even with mud blobs in my eye, inhaling smoke from a wood stove, a spill, and being forcer to run with my bike on my shoulder like some sort of wretched Medieval serf, I had a great time. My fingers were numb and I couldn't feel them when I was shifting, but they warmed up by the end of the race. Toupe saddles are no good for cross. On the last lap, the POS sharp tail snagged my shorts and I fell over like a sleeping, tipped cow.
I guess what I really need to get is a cute tent under which I can warm up on my turbo-trainer when It's raining. Either that or I should get a Winnebago.
After the race I hurried home to my pottery open house, where in just a few hours I raked in enough cash and checks to buy a custom steel frame. Yay! :banana: It's a day I will not soon forget.
I hope it keeps raining so Zank gets to race in the mud at PIR. He deserves only the very best Portland has to offer him. I plan on spraying him with PBR on every lap.


http://bikeportland.org/2007/11/19/epic-mud-makes-for-fitting-crusade-finale/

DarrenCT
11-19-2007, 08:37 PM
shino

cool story and pictures.

sorry about the toupe saddle! :)

which steel cross frame did u score?

cheers
-d

shinomaster
11-19-2007, 08:40 PM
shino

cool story and pictures.

sorry about the toupe saddle! :)

which steel cross frame did u score?

cheers
-d


I didn't buy one yet. I still have a big wad of money in my pocket. I love that saddle but it's dangerous! :confused:

manet
11-19-2007, 08:42 PM
shino, stevep wanted to sell you this
idea, but he's over at roman meal's
sharpening his ice spud:

sell pots made from cross mud

RABikes2
11-19-2007, 08:45 PM
Great photos and report Shino-dear. Way to go . . . mud and all!
RA

rounder
11-19-2007, 08:47 PM
Let me get this straight. You slop around in mud and then sell pottery stuff. You make enough in a few hours to buy a custom frame?? My normal commute is 75 miles each way...but have to travel out of town often enough (two weeks at a time). I can only buy a custom bike in my derams. That is if my wife would let me. Im gonna have to reevaluate my business model.

ButtedMoron
11-19-2007, 08:50 PM
no saddles with rear points as they are bib/skinsuit tearers.

nothing worse than a hnag up like that


awesome tale

shinomaster
11-19-2007, 08:56 PM
I busted my *** for two months making pottery. I basically worked a second full time job making stuff. If you total up the time and materials I made almost nothing. I was doing what I love, and it was good therapy for getting over my MP X. It also just made my heart sing, as it was the first time I made work in three years. Imagine not riding for three years, it was like that. I kept the good ones too for the Shinomaster permanent collection:)

chrisroph
11-19-2007, 09:07 PM
glad you like the tubies an that they didn't roll. ;)

you should pull off the wheels as give them a nice gently wash with a sponge and some mild detergent. Try to get all the grit out of the sides of the tires and rims. Let them dry and make sure the bond is still good between the tires and the rims (should be fine). Then get some aquaseal and seal the sidewall casings as the grit and moisture can work into the threads and cause damage.

After we spray zanc with pbr, and ring bells in his face, and otherwise generally cheer him on, you should talk to him about a nice custom frameset. In fact, if you are serious, you should send him a pm and get on the list. it would make that fuji feel like you're griffos make clinchers feel.

BumbleBeeDave
11-19-2007, 09:11 PM
You.

Are.

Da' MAN!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

BBD

shinomaster
11-19-2007, 09:12 PM
Hmmm....Zanc? Speedvagen?

Yeah I was wondering about washing the tires. I gently hosed the wheels, and they were completely covered in mud. I brought them into my warm apartment. Where in Portland can I get aquaseal? Dude my fuji is 17 pounds of pimptasticness.

shinomaster
11-19-2007, 09:14 PM
You.

Are.

Da' MAN!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

BBD


Thanks...But I am hardly anything of a cross racer. It is a very humbling sport.

rounder
11-19-2007, 09:14 PM
Good job man. Didn't mean that you weren't worthy. Best wishes for the future.

shinomaster
11-19-2007, 09:16 PM
Good job man. Didn't mean that you weren't worthy. Best wishes for the future.


Oh no offense taken! I just was thinking about it today. It seems like a lot of money, but it's not when you calculate the hours behind it. My friends were like a pack of locust. It was great, and they are very supportive. It troubles me personally that I can only make so much cash with artwork. :beer:

manet
11-19-2007, 09:16 PM
http://www.aquaseal.com/dealer1.php?location=OR&submit=FIND

shinomaster
11-19-2007, 09:20 PM
http://www.aquaseal.com/dealer1.php?location=OR&submit=FIND

Thanks!

BumbleBeeDave
11-19-2007, 09:21 PM
Thanks...But I am hardly anything of a cross racer. It is a very humbling sport.

. . . that you are out there in conditions like that makes you . . .

. . . Da' MAN!

:beer: :beer: :beer:

BBD

DarrenCT
11-19-2007, 09:22 PM
shino,

where are my tennis racquet mugs??!??!!!

i need 10 of them. i'll paypal u $ toward your new frame.

big coffee mugs. u pick the color

-d

BumbleBeeDave
11-19-2007, 09:25 PM
shino,

where are my tennis racquet mugs??!??!!!

i need 10 of them. i'll paypal u $ toward your new frame.

big coffee mugs. u pick the color

-d

Cut him some slack! It's gonna take him a full week just to hose off the bike and get over the, uh, "shrinkage!"

BBD

J.Greene
11-19-2007, 09:26 PM
That's the kind of stuff we'll never get in FL. It looks like a blast. Good Job Shino!

JG

shinomaster
11-19-2007, 09:28 PM
shino,

where are my tennis racquet mugs??!??!!!

i need 10 of them. i'll paypal u $ toward your new frame.

big coffee mugs. u pick the color

-d


Spring. I can pencil you in for the spring. You are "in my mind" as my friend Rustem says. :)

shinomaster
11-20-2007, 01:47 AM
http://canisstudio.exposuremanager.com/p/2007cx-hillsboro-color2/111807-41121

Sandy
11-20-2007, 05:31 AM
I really enjoyed reading your race report. Felt like I was there with you. Even showered after reading it, to get the mud off. :) I think that you have found your real love in cycling- cross racing. As was said, participation in cross racing is in itself an accomplishment. Where you finish is really not that important, although I realize that everyone who races wants to be satisfied in how they do and hopefully improve.

I have known you from the forum for years now and have followed you through your posts relative to cycling and life- Here is one old time forum member who is proud of what you have accomplished!

:banana: SUPER SHINO SHINES!! :banana:


Sandy

Too Tall
11-20-2007, 06:44 AM
Great report ShinOh and am heartened to hear of a cleanly exectute punctuation mark...one door closes another opens.

zap
11-20-2007, 10:01 AM
snipped

Toupe saddles are no good for cross. On the last lap, the POS sharp tail snagged my shorts and I fell over like a sleeping, tipped cow.



I have a toupe on my mtb and yes, the stupid plastic things suck. I took the plastic decorative crap off, modified the shell, trimed the leather a bit, applied tubular glue and tucked the leather under the modified shell. Presto, snag free saddle.

shinomaster
11-20-2007, 10:37 AM
I might get one of those new flight saddles. THe rounderd back looks good for cross.

zank
11-20-2007, 01:54 PM
Nice work, Shino! We had some good mud at the GP on Sunday, but not like you had.

http://mlkimages.smugmug.com/gallery/3844949#223213799-A-LB
http://mlkimages.smugmug.com/gallery/3844949#223226141-A-LB
http://mlkimages.smugmug.com/gallery/3844949#223231745-A-LB

shinomaster
11-20-2007, 02:10 PM
Nice work, Shino! We had some good mud at the GP on Sunday, but not like you had.

http://mlkimages.smugmug.com/gallery/3844949#223213799-A-LB
http://mlkimages.smugmug.com/gallery/3844949#223226141-A-LB
http://mlkimages.smugmug.com/gallery/3844949#223231745-A-LB


Good work Zanco! How did you place? It looks like you may be in for a couple of muddy races when you come. Do you want to borrow my fuji?

zank
11-20-2007, 02:22 PM
28th and 27th. I had bad starts on both days and had to work up from the mid-40s on lap 2 each day. On Saturday, I made it up to my teammate in 19th going into the bell lap, but had some mechanical issues coming out of the sand pit (which was awesome by the way. Reported 80 meters long!) and lost 8 spots in half a lap. That's racin'!

shinomaster
11-20-2007, 02:26 PM
28th and 27th. I had bad starts on both days and had to work up from the mid-40s on lap 2 each day. On Saturday, I made it up to my teammate in 19th going into the bell lap, but had some mechanical issues coming out of the sand pit (which was awesome by the way. Reported 80 meters long!) and lost 8 spots in half a lap. That's racin'!


I lost two or three places because of the crummy toupe saddle Darren sold me. Thanks Darren.

erikbrooks
11-20-2007, 03:06 PM
OK, I'll add a race report:

My race would not have happened if not for this forum last week Taz Taylor started a thread on what to do in Seattle, and I offered to let him shadow me on this cross race the Washington State CX championships. He PMd me and we made arrangements, and then I had car trouble (brakes), and we ended up going in his rental car, with my bike nestled in the trunk with wheels off. Hats off to the forum, and especially to Taz. He even took pictures, which I havent seen yet.

It was a typical Seattle November day grey and a bit damp, but not actually raining. There were two mud bogs near the start/finish. The course was at a country fairgrounds near Bremerton. Each lap had us going thru a horse barn, past the swine house (both unoccupied, thank goodness), some sweet and FAST singletrack in the woods, plus the usual winding back and forth in the grass. Sadly there was no run-up, tho there was one short steep pitch that I failed to clear about half the time, so I ran a bit. We also went along the side of a soccer field, where a game was in progress. I had to stop once on a warm-up lap to avoid an out of bounds ball. In the Seattle cyclocross forum, there are numerous comments calling it one of the most fun courses of the year, and I agree.

Our series races are well attended, with about 500 to 700 each day. This day drew a smaller crowd, but I still lined up next to 10 others in the Cat 3 45+ class. Usually my class has 20.

I got an OK start, but not great. By the time we reached the fast section in the woods, which was definitely single file, I was about 8th, but we were still nose-to-tail. When we got to the first mud bog I started passing a few folks. The second time I entered the woods, the leaders had pulled out a bit of a gap, and one of the guys I passed in the bog was on my tail yelling Lets go!, and I started going a bit faster than my comfort zone, doing maybe 20+ with solid trees just off the trail on both sides. But it was so smooth and flowing there that it was hard to suppress a grin. When we got into the really tight trails, I had to let him by hes got mad mtn bike skills. I chased him the rest of the race hed pull away in the woods, and Id close it up when we left, but I kept losing a bit each lap. I ended up 5th, 15 seconds behind him, and about 2 minutes behind the winner after 44 minutes of good but not clean fun.

One other guy in my class crashed a couple of weeks ago and broke a rib, but that didnt keep him from racing. In fact he chose to race with a singlespeed. Some folks probably think were all crazy. I think that racing with a broken rib seems a bit crazy.

Ive got one of the heavier bikes and wheels in the group about 23 or 24 lbs. I always go the budget route when I try a new sport, then when Im sure Ill stick with it, I upgrade, and never seem to sell off the modest stuff. So this bike (Soma Doublecross) will become my pit bike for next year time to upgrade, cause cross rocks!

Another thing of interest - after my race Taz and I walked around to see how the young fast racers do it (faster, in a word). There was a fat root halfway up the steep section that I failed to ride up a couple of times, and many of them were catching a bit of air off of that root.

We also stopped by the pits. Redline is big here, and there were a number of 2008 Redlines there. The rep (didn't catch his name) told us that they will sell the top line model with tubeless Hutchison tires next year, using Shimano rims. Another Redline there had some shifters I've never seen or heard of before - Diacompe 10 speeds, with carbon brake levers. The brake levers only worked the brakes, and two levers behind them did the shifting duty. Taz got some pics with his cell phone. There was a matching RD. I didn't notice the FD. It had and FSA carbon crank, IIRC. The rep said 'we gotta try out new stuff, and we expected to try it and find some reason why we needed to reject it, but it works really well, which complicates our life because now we have to make a choice".
I've got lots of respect for Redline. They support the sport, and really know what works for actual cross racers.

shinomaster
11-20-2007, 04:24 PM
Wow that sounded like a great race Erik! Good performance too. My bike always gets to the races in the trunk. Heck it stays dry that way.

SpeedyChix
11-20-2007, 06:52 PM
It also just made my heart sing, as it was the first time I made work in three years. Imagine not riding for three years, it was like that. I kept the good ones too for the Shinomaster permanent collection

Share some pics of the art!

Great racing, way to get out there and get muddy. CX is the best.

shinomaster
11-20-2007, 07:03 PM
http://flickr.com/photos/20302506@N04/?saved=1

SpeedyChix
11-20-2007, 07:12 PM
That loaded kiln.....wow!
Nice Brings smiles.
Art mug and StevePs mugs, nice design. Great large bowls.
Cool.

If I ever get to Portland again I should do it when you have a show/sale.

Keep racing CX!

Louis
11-20-2007, 07:15 PM
Spring. I can pencil you in for the spring. You are "in my mind" as my friend Rustem says. :)

How long until the wait list is up to 7 years? :)

SpeedyChix
11-20-2007, 07:20 PM
Ah! But if you can get on the pottery team...you MIGHT be able to obtain your piece of art sooner! Possibly he will reserve a few spots to work in the best of his craft. ;)

stevep
11-20-2007, 07:21 PM
shino,
you cant name a mug after me without paying me for the rights.
tell me how much is the mug before i tell you how much the rights are.
s

ill tell rustem you scammed me...

shinomaster
11-20-2007, 07:31 PM
Rustem gave me a stella azzurra latte stem for free. HE said it was too heavy to sell.

Too Tall
11-21-2007, 06:22 AM
Shino - Your control of glaze combos is superfatastic. Hey, thought you'd dig seeing some power / watts stats from a recent local race. This info. was gathered by the PowerTap dewds on loaner wheels.
PS - there is a local salt kiln design I am dyin' to copy. Built chimmney style with a firebox on the side...very unique.

Woody: 2nd place in Men's B race
Weight: 175 lbs
Background: Cat. 3 road racer, former messenger
Duration: 44:48
Avg. Power: 271
Avg. Speed: 12.1 mph
Avg. Cadence: 80 rpm
Normalized Power: 297 watts

Johann: 3rd place in Men's B race.
Weight: 200 lbs
Background: Cat. 2 road racer
Duration: 44:53
Avg. Power: 286 watts
Avg. HR: 186 bpm
Avg. Speed: 12.0 mph
Avg. Cadence: 79 rpm
Normalized Power: 316 watts

Chris: 7th place in Men's B race
Weight: 180 lbs
Background: Cat. 4 road racer, Ex-BMXer
Duration: 45:59
Avg. Power: 253 watts
Avg. HR: 180 bpm
Avg. Speed: 11.7 mph
Avg. Cadence: 70 rpm
Normalized Power: 275 watts

Kyle: 3rd place in Men's A race
Weight: 134 lbs
Background: Pro Mountain Biker
Duration: 34:36 (the data recorded is for the beginning of the race... Kyle had a mechanical and had to take a bike change)
Avg. Power: 234 watts
Avg. HR: 182 bpm
Avg. Speed: 12.7 mph
Avg. Cadence: 76 rpm
Normalized Power: 260 watts

John: 4th place in Men's A race
Weight: 160 lbs
Background: Cat. 1 Road Racer
Duration: 1:05:56
Avg. Power: 227 watts
Avg. HR: 175 bpm
Avg. Speed: 12.2 mph
Avg. Cadence: 74 rpm
Normalized Power: 250 watts

Colin: 5th place in Men's A race
Weight: 170 lbs
Background: Cat. 1 road racer
Duration: 1:06:59
Avg. Power: 245 watts
Avg. HR: 187 bpm
Avg. Speed: 12.1 mph
Avg. Cadence: 67 rpm
Normalized Power: 269 watts

Erik: 10th place in Men's A race (also raced in B race)
Weight: 185 lbs
Background: Cat. 4/espoir road racer/track racer
Duration: 1:02:54
Avg. Power: 203 watts
Avg. HR: 187 bpm
Avg. Speed: 10.1 mph
Avg. Cadence: 76 rpm
Normalized Power: 240 watts

zank
11-21-2007, 07:10 AM
TT, how does the NP of the A racers for their hour race compare to their FTP? Awesome data by the way. You can certainly see the trends of power/weight vs. placing.

stevep
11-21-2007, 07:26 AM
nice notes tt.

interesting note on the power.
i remember reading a significant piece on the power outputs of elite athletes in major one day events that noted well that the winner and top finishers were usually the racers who have the lowest overall watt output.

re: they saved it for when it counted...
they weren't out there in front the whole time.

the highest average output is usually the domestiques... whose faces are in the wind much more..

not to translate to cross as much probably as the speeds are much lower, the groups are much smaller and the draft benefits are much less...but there is some correlation i am sure.

Too Tall
11-21-2007, 07:52 AM
nice notes tt.

interesting note on the power.
i remember reading a significant piece on the power outputs of elite athletes in major one day events that noted well that the winner and top finishers were usually the racers who have the lowest overall watt output.

re: they saved it for when it counted...
they weren't out there in front the whole time.

the highest average output is usually the domestiques... whose faces are in the wind much more..

not to translate to cross as much probably as the speeds are much lower, the groups are much smaller and the draft benefits are much less...but there is some correlation i am sure.

Steve you are a g-d. EXACTLY the point. The guys drilling it steady at the front able to best pick their pace / line were conserving than KILLING it when it mattered. You ah smaht cookie.

Zankissimo These guys can put out more power than that. Do the math and consider their categories on the road. Looking at file data and watts stats from a cross race and looking at the results give really nice insight as to pedaling style more than it does their watts/kg etc.

Redturbo
11-21-2007, 09:01 AM
Those power numbers just confirm you need cross skills ;)

Avispa
11-21-2007, 10:06 AM
Hey Shino....

Nice shorts! :D

Glad to see you putting them to good use!

..A..

shinomaster
11-21-2007, 11:47 AM
TooTall, I really don't know any thing about power or watts. I dont have a power meter. One thing that seems curious about myself is that I can hang with some pretty fast guys on the road but not in a cross race. My friends are surprised that I haven't done better racing. Some of it it poor technique but there is something about blasting over grass on the first lap that blows me up. I know I really need to warm up better. The bone heads in my race stage 25 minutes before they start!
Salt firing is really exciting to me. It's almost completely different every time.
Avispa, I'm sending you a goodie bag soon! :banana:

shinomaster
11-21-2007, 12:38 PM
:confused: I went from getting 17th two weeks in a row to 36th two weeks in a row! ***..

shinomaster
11-21-2007, 02:26 PM
Our old friend D'Man won the A race.
http://www.crankmychain.com/2007/11/muddy-cyclocross-crusade-race-7.html

erikbrooks
11-21-2007, 03:10 PM
I've never raced in THOSE conditions. Wow. I'm trying to make up my mind about driving down for the USGP Dec 1/2, so maybe I'll get to try it then.

Some of that mud looked like it didn't want to let go of those bikes!

shinomaster
11-21-2007, 06:54 PM
I've never raced in THOSE conditions. Wow. I'm trying to make up my mind about driving down for the USGP Dec 1/2, so maybe I'll get to try it then.

Some of that mud looked like it didn't want to let go of those bikes!


Le Grand Prix races are fun. Lots of crazy mayhem. We usually have a marching band and goth cheerleaders. It's gonna be dry this week, not sure about the next. I'm hoping Zank brings me a new frame.

Avispa
11-22-2007, 02:43 AM
Avispa, I'm sending you a goodie bag soon!

Don't worry about it bro, just buy me dinner when/if you meet me at the Finger Lakes joint!

..A..