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stevep
11-15-2007, 07:11 AM
hi, my name is alex rodriguez and i am the best baseball player on earth until october 1st every year.

my former agent had me shred the largest contract in the history of the sport because i am worth many times that and that contract was really an insult. i was unwilling to work for this money... but it appears that maybe no one will pay me more than this so now i am trying to go back to the guys i flicked 3 weeks ago...who are, in reality , the only guys who would pay me this kind of money.
my dilemna.

anyway, i am now working as a volunteer on serottas website..kicking off porn and cracks about swoops nose while i set up my next gig.

is there anyone here who can give me advice and get me out of this situation?
email me at
i_am_an_idiot.com

you will have to be willing to work for 15% of $25 million a year... so its not all that lucrative... will involve 2 weeks and 3 trips to florida a year...possible one trip to ny.

sincerely,
alex

djg
11-15-2007, 07:17 AM
give me a holler at I_think_yer_a_genius_fer_only_ten_percent.com

rwsaunders
11-15-2007, 07:37 AM
You can join Barry, A-Rod.

Has minor-league team made offer Bonds can't refuse?

Associated Press

Updated: November 13, 2007, 2:43 PM ET

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WASHINGTON, Pa. -- Barry Bonds has a public offer on the free-agent market -- from the independent Washington Wild Things, who play not far from where Bonds began his major-league career in Pittsburgh.

Of course, a pay cut is involved.

Bonds, who made about $16 million last season for the San Francisco Giants, would have to settle for the independent Frontier League's maximum salary of $1,200 per month.

There are extras, though: The Wild Things are offering a 50-50 share on merchandise sales and a pledge to find a host family for Bonds so he doesn't have to rent an apartment in this southwestern Pennsylvania city.

On the road, Bonds would get a king-sized single room, a major perk on the minor-league level.

"Many of the great ones eventually return to where their careers began," general manager Ross Vecchio said Tuesday. "Babe Ruth began his career with the Red Sox and then finished it with the Boston Braves. Willie Mays started with the New York Giants and finished with the Mets. Hank Aaron began and ended his career in Milwaukee."

Bonds can make more money by reaching incentives for breaking the Frontier League's single-season records for home runs (35), RBIs (100) and walks (85).

Washington offers Bonds a route back to the majors, Vecchio said, with 17 former Wild Things players moving on to affiliated minor-league teams since the franchise began play in 2002.

"This contract gives Barry the opportunity to play once again in western Pennsylvania as he continues his career," Vecchio said.

The Triple-A Toledo Mud Hens recently sent Alex Rodriguez a contract offer that included incentives if he hits 75 home runs for them next season.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

Lifelover
11-15-2007, 07:53 AM
You may have mis read the story.

A-Rod has not released his agent.

He just talk with the Yanks about a 10 year 275 MILLION dollar contract without him on the line.

When the deal is signed (with who ever gets him) the agent will be there.

stevep
11-15-2007, 08:52 AM
You may have mis read the story.

A-Rod has not released his agent.

He just talk with the Yanks about a 10 year 275 MILLION dollar contract without him on the line.

When the deal is signed (with who ever gets him) the agent will be there.

no, i kinda read the thing...just needed something to chuckle about.
the laughs will come if he signs for less than he was making and they come up with some smoke and mirrors to save him from looking like a complete arse.

Too Tall
11-15-2007, 08:52 AM
I've got grass that needs mowing in the spring time if he's still looking.

stackie
11-15-2007, 10:58 AM
I just don't understand how the negotiators don't just slap the agent or whoever is negotiating for Alex Rodriguez.

Can't you just see it...

Rodriguez' guy, "Alex will need $300 million to play".

SLAP!

Rodriguez' guy, "What was that for?"

Team's guy, "No one is worth that kind of money. Period."

Just my 2 cents. I don't understand baseball or any mainstream pro sports. I think we are all idiots for supporting this BS from so called "stars". We should all boycott pro sports and go be active ourselves with our children and friends.

Jon

J.Greene
11-15-2007, 11:10 AM
Just my 2 cents. I don't understand baseball or any mainstream pro sports. I think we are all idiots for supporting this BS from so called "stars". We should all boycott pro sports and go be active ourselves with our children and friends.

Jon

If you were a team owner...

if the present value of the future cash flows off a sports star met or exceeded you required rate of return would you make the investment?

I don't think these guys get paid to score points. They get paid to sell sky boxes, jerseys, beer,etc... If you view them through the lens that they are just assets you may make different decisions atmo.

I agree we should be a nation of people who do and not a nation of people who watch.
JG

RIHans
11-15-2007, 12:31 PM
I always have been, and suspect I always will be. Spring training makes the last few weeks of winter here in the Northeast a bit less painful.

But...1/3 of a BILLION dollars??? Are you freaking kidding me???

:confused:

BURCH
11-15-2007, 12:44 PM
I always have been, and suspect I always will be. Spring training makes the last few weeks of winter here in the Northeast a bit less painful.

But...1/3 of a BILLION dollars??? Are you freaking kidding me???

:confused:


I know. There had to be a part of AROD and Boras that realized that no other team (cept one or two) were going to be able to pay what they wanted (300+ million). One player can't single handedly win you a World Series so that is a ton of money for any team to dish out. It is just a matter of the Yankees are willing to pay the 275.

harlond
11-15-2007, 12:47 PM
I just don't understand how the negotiators don't just slap the agent or whoever is negotiating for Alex Rodriguez.

Can't you just see it...

Rodriguez' guy, "Alex will need $300 million to play".

SLAP!

Rodriguez' guy, "What was that for?"

Team's guy, "No one is worth that kind of money. Period."

Just my 2 cents. I don't understand baseball or any mainstream pro sports. I think we are all idiots for supporting this BS from so called "stars". We should all boycott pro sports and go be active ourselves with our children and friends.

JonWouldn't Rodriguez's guy have to double-slap the team's guy back for saying such a thing while representing a billionaire who will come by his money through inheritance rather than talent?

Dave B
11-15-2007, 12:49 PM
Yeah i agree he is way overpriced, but seeing him as a tool not for his runs makes sense.

He is great through out the year...sells a ton of stuff, stinks in the playoffs and people forget him.

Next year kids still want A-rod stuff. They could care less if he is great in the post season, they know he is awesome during the regular season.

Would have been nice to see owners work together and drive the price down though. No one offer him more then say $15mil a year.

BURCH
11-15-2007, 12:53 PM
Would have been nice to see owners work together and drive the price down though. No one offer him more then say $15mil a year.

Yeah, its called a salary cap and the players union is never going to let that happen. It would be nice to see though being a Pirates fan and all.

cpg
11-15-2007, 12:55 PM
Yo A-Rod,

You should become a framebuilder. I hear the money's better and so are the groupies. That's what I heard anyway.

Curt

Tom
11-15-2007, 01:08 PM
Some guy's going to write a check that big and it isn't going to bounce. Where'd that guy get his money?

Us. Don't give Mr. Big the money, and he won't give it to A-Rod.


Of course, i'm a Sox fan. I think the Yankees should give him all that and more, because it just means they have less to spend on the minor leaguers that are good and are the ones that can really make trouble for the rest of the league later on.

Dave B
11-15-2007, 01:22 PM
Some guy's going to write a check that big and it isn't going to bounce. Where'd that guy get his money?

Us. Don't give Mr. Big the money, and he won't give it to A-Rod.


Of course, i'm a Sox fan. I think the Yankees should give him all that and more, because it just means they have less to spend on the minor leaguers that are good and are the ones that can really make trouble for the rest of the league later on.


Me too. Would rather pay lowell $35 to $45 for a few years and he can be great the entire season! Not to mention clutch in the post season. :banana:

gt6267a
11-15-2007, 01:22 PM
i thought baseball was fading away and no one cared anymore? if the yankees are taking in enough cash to pay their players these salaries, people are still spending in their direction. no?

Dave B
11-15-2007, 01:24 PM
i thought baseball was fading away and no one cared anymore? if the yankees are taking in enough cash to pay their players these salaries, people are still spending in their direction. no?


It isn't like people want to see the Knicks play! :rolleyes:

BURCH
11-15-2007, 01:24 PM
i thought baseball was fading away and no one cared anymore? if the yankees are taking in enough cash to pay their players these salaries, people are still spending in their direction. no?


People in the Boston and New York areas care a lot about baseball.

maunahaole
11-15-2007, 01:33 PM
The yanks should give a-rod all that money because that is the Steinbrenner way. Also, it will pretty much lock that the Sox will re-sign Mike Lowell.

Blue Jays
11-15-2007, 01:51 PM
Imagine having to carry your monthly paycheck home in an armored car! :D

stevep
11-15-2007, 02:38 PM
People in the Boston and New York areas care a lot about baseball.

celtics... 7-0
patriots ... 9-0
revolution ..playing this weekend for the championship
red sox... remind me, i forget.
bruins...? i dunno


cant help it.
been in my blood since i was 2.

stevep
11-15-2007, 02:40 PM
Yo A-Rod,

You should become a framebuilder. I hear the money's better and so are the groupies. That's what I heard anyway.

Curt

all that money plus a free frame every year!!
hard to beat that.

ButtedMoron
11-15-2007, 02:58 PM
is free and I can walk there
racing is just a wee bit more expensive
cx races the same but I may have to drive

big $ sports are fer potatoes.

I haven't watched an entire football game in (or baseball, basketball) in years

I'd rather ride, go fishing, go surfing or hang with my kid

DukeHorn
11-15-2007, 03:28 PM
If you have any college teams worth a crap, why would you bother with "professional" sports? With all the free agent hopping around, what's the point in getting vested in individual players? At least in college, they're part of your "family" even after they graduate (well, assuming they do).

Not that I believe college sports are purely amateur but I find the camaraderie and energy a lot more enjoyable at college sporting events than the corporate atmosphere at pro sports.

My personal examples of better atmosphere:

Longhorn baseball at Disch Falk vs Rangers/Astro games (college)
Duke basketball at Cameron vs. Mavericks game (college)
Texas/OU football in Dallas vs. Chargers/Steelers (close but still TX/OU)
Boston College hockey game vs. Stars or Hurricanes home games (college)

And other high energy events--Stanford vs USC in women's volleyball (no affiliation with either but just a great energy level from the fans). Men's soccer Final Four (good stuff).

I play fantasy football and basketball with co-workers, but I have no interest in watching the NBA product and rarely the NFL product nowadays.


As an aside re: all sports:

Watching guys praise the Lord for their athletic success makes me want to puke. Don't you think God has better things to do than worry about a football game on a Sunday and whether you scored a touchdown? Do you really think he's weighing your moral character to decide whether you should be tackled on that outside sweep?

Lifelover
11-15-2007, 03:33 PM
If you have any college teams worth a crap, why would you bother with "professional" sports?


Because the overall quality of play is MUCH higher. Same reason we watch the TDF.

roman meal
11-15-2007, 09:32 PM
Watching guys praise the Lord for their athletic success makes me want to puke. Don't you think God has better things to do than worry about a football game on a Sunday and whether you scored a touchdown? Do you really think he's weighing your moral character to decide whether you should be tackled on that outside sweep?

I've always interpreted these gestures as the player's thanks for the gift of the ability to play. Much nicer than other gestures they could be making. God doesn't intervene directly, God is too busy policing the forum these days.

harlond
11-16-2007, 09:12 AM
hi, my name is alex rodriguez and i am the best baseball player on earth until october 1st every year.

my former agent had me shred the largest contract in the history of the sport because i am worth many times that and that contract was really an insult. i was unwilling to work for this money... but it appears that maybe no one will pay me more than this so now i am trying to go back to the guys i flicked 3 weeks ago...who are, in reality , the only guys who would pay me this kind of money.
my dilemna.

anyway, i am now working as a volunteer on serottas website..kicking off porn and cracks about swoops nose while i set up my next gig.

is there anyone here who can give me advice and get me out of this situation?
email me at
i_am_an_idiot.com

you will have to be willing to work for 15% of $25 million a year... so its not all that lucrative... will involve 2 weeks and 3 trips to florida a year...possible one trip to ny.

sincerely,
alexIs he an idiot because he got himself a $2.5 million raise over the next 3 years plus 7 additional guaranteed years--years during which his performance and durability are highly likely to decline significantly--at $27.5 million per year? Or is he an idiot because, if he hadn't opted out, the Yankees would have given him the additional 7 years at a rate that would have yielded more than $275 million over the 10 years? If the latter, it's still not obvious to me that he's an idiot for opting out, because I don't think he could be 100% certain that the Yankees' offer was top of the market unless he talked to some other teams, and he couldn't do that unless he opted out. So he took a risk, and perhaps his take is a few percent smaller as a result.

A-Rod has had some bad post-season series, but it's worth noting that in 10 career post-season series, he has hit .279/.361/.483. Certainly not up to his career regular season line of .306/.389/.578, but more or less equivalent to Mike Lowell's regular season line of .280/.344/.468 or post-season line of .278/.348/.485.

stevep
11-16-2007, 10:24 AM
harlond,
i argue with nothing that you say...although my original comments were made before he went back and sucked up to the kids to get himself back into the ny clubhouse.
i will also put on the table that i make less than alex rodriguez.
he still looks like an arse to me in that he does whatever his agent tells him to do despite (again) having to go back and scrounge his way back into a deal afterward in the absence of the agent...same thing happened in seattle years ago.
looks pathetic to me. he looks like what he is.
another athlete where the team is unimportant and team results are less important than individual stats.

notable. i suspect a-rod was watching mike lowell still playing through october...
i suspect mike lowell was not watching a-rod play golf through october.
no comparison.
mvp vs lvp



Is he an idiot because he got himself a $2.5 million raise over the next 3 years plus 7 additional guaranteed years--years during which his performance and durability are highly likely to decline significantly--at $27.5 million per year? Or is he an idiot because, if he hadn't opted out, the Yankees would have given him the additional 7 years at a rate that would have yielded more than $275 million over the 10 years? If the latter, it's still not obvious to me that he's an idiot for opting out, because I don't think he could be 100% certain that the Yankees' offer was top of the market unless he talked to some other teams, and he couldn't do that unless he opted out. So he took a risk, and perhaps his take is a few percent smaller as a result.

A-Rod has had some bad post-season series, but it's worth noting that in 10 career post-season series, he has hit .279/.361/.483. Certainly not up to his career regular season line of .306/.389/.578, but more or less equivalent to Mike Lowell's regular season line of .280/.344/.468 or post-season line of .278/.348/.485.

fiamme red
11-16-2007, 10:31 AM
For an interesting comparison of baseball salaries now and 15 years ago, read this (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEEDE1E3EF930A35751C1A9649582 60):

Barry Bonds did not think $36 million was enough for him to play baseball in the Bronx for the next five years. The superstar free agent wanted $43 million over six years. The Yankees refused to budge on the extra year and the extra millions, so last night they withdrew their offer and said their interest in this year's top free-agent prospect had vanished.

After making a contract offer on Monday that would have made Bonds the highest-paid player in baseball, General Manager Gene Michael gave Bonds and his agent, Dennis Gilbert, two days to accept it. But Gilbert told Michael last night that his client wanted a guaranteed sixth year. Michael ended negotations.

"We wanted him and now it's off," Michael said in a phone interview from Tampa, Fla. "We're going for pitching. Maybe it's the right thing to do. We will not have Barry Bonds with a sixth year."

Gene Michael was a wise man.

93legendti
11-16-2007, 10:37 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ageu6GuoFxALj11LJTHXFAI5nYcB?slug=ap-yankees-rodriguez&prov=ap&type=lgns[/url]

"A-Rod and New York Yankees have outline of $275 million, 10-year deal

By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer
November 16, 2007

NEW YORK (AP) -- Turns out Alex Rodriguez and the New York Yankees had the outline of a record $275 million, 10-year contract in place last weekend, well before their shake-hands-and-make-up meeting.

The amount of the guaranteed money was revealed by a person familiar with the negotiations who spoke Thursday on condition of anonymity because the deal hasn't been finalized. A-Rod potentially could earn millions more if he sets the career home-run record.

A-Rod and his wife met Wednesday in Tampa, Fla., with brothers Hal and Hank Steinbrenner.

"The meeting was a final get-together," Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner said. "He wanted to make sure myself and my brother knew that he was sincere and serious."

The Yankees still must draft the agreement with Rodriguez's agent, Scott Boras. Asked whether the only remaining details were putting the deal on paper, Steinbrenner responded: "pretty much so."

Boras wasn't a part of the negotiations, in which Goldman Sachs managing directors John Mallory and Gerald Cardinale conducted shuttle diplomacy.

"They were the go-betweens, initially," Steinbrenner said. "That's how he reached out to us."

The Yankees were notified by Boras on Oct. 28 that Rodriguez was opting out of the final three seasons of his $252 million, 10-year contract -- the previous record -- and becoming a free agent. New York maintained then that it no longer would negotiate with A-Rod because the decision eliminated a $21.3 million subsidy from Texas that was negotiated in the 2004 trade..."

He must be some kind of idiot. Crazy too. And stupid. A $2.5 million raise per year, for TEN MORE YEARS, GUARANTEED and probably lower agent's fees because A-Rod did the heavy lifting himself.

Someone should appoint a guardian for A-Rod before he does further injury to himself.