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handsomerob
11-12-2007, 10:25 PM
I would like to have my 1984 Serotta Club Special repainted and would really like to hear from those of you that have had a frame repainted. There was a local guy that was going to do it but he is too busy with his regular job to take on any more work.

I know that JB and Kellogg are awesome, but I just can't justify spending $600+ on this project. Does anyone know of a shop that will do a good quality one color with panels for around $300?

I would love to see pics of work and the cost if you don't mind sharing. :rolleyes:

flux
11-12-2007, 10:29 PM
Toby (http://www.hottubes.com) paint's all of Mike's (http://www.zanconato.com) frames. I highly recommend him as suitable alternative to Joe Bell and the like.

handsomerob
11-12-2007, 11:26 PM
Toby (http://www.hottubes.com) paint's all of Mike's (http://www.zanconato.com) frames. I highly recommend him as suitable alternative to Joe Bell and the like.

It looks like it would be $350 + $50 for the additional color + $40 for decals + $25 for cut out detailing + taxes and then shipping there and back. So, it would be about $600... which seems pretty close to the standard for a quality job.

Anyone had one done by Serotta and don't mind sharing the out the door cost?

Blue Jays
11-13-2007, 12:49 AM
Are you looking strictly for wet paint or are you also considering powdercoating? That's always an option that is occasionally less expensive.

J.Greene
11-13-2007, 05:05 AM
It looks like it would be $350 + $50 for the additional color + $40 for decals + $25 for cut out detailing + taxes and then shipping there and back. So, it would be about $600... which seems pretty close to the standard for a quality job.

Anyone had one done by Serotta and don't mind sharing the out the door cost?

HROB,

considering the work involved and the quality desired, $600 is not out of line.
JG

14max
11-13-2007, 05:09 AM
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stevep
11-13-2007, 05:17 AM
years ago i had some frames painted by a local guy who painted custom motorcycles.
very, very sophisticated paint work and he was relatively inexpensive.

SoCalSteve
11-13-2007, 07:44 AM
Send it to Serotta. It's a little more ($450 for single color) but the result is incredible. Plus, they'll check the frame out thoroughly and make sure it's aligned.

Once you get into the panels, fades and such, it starts to get pricey...

But, Serotta does do an amazing job.

dvancleve
11-13-2007, 08:02 AM
Check out Franklin Frames and Matt Assenmacher. Both apparently do good work and are significantly less than JB, Cyclart etc. Cyclart can be less, especially if you did a powdercoat for the base with sprayed panels.

Doug

I would like to have my 1984 Serotta Club Special repainted and would really like to hear from those of you that have had a frame repainted. There was a local guy that was going to do it but he is too busy with his regular job to take on any more work.

I know that JB and Kellogg are awesome, but I just can't justify spending $600+ on this project. Does anyone know of a shop that will do a good quality one color with panels for around $300?

I would love to see pics of work and the cost if you don't mind sharing. :rolleyes:

soulspinner
11-13-2007, 08:23 AM
How about airglow? Their basic deal seems to fit your price needs...

Viper
11-13-2007, 08:37 AM
Send it to Serotta. Have it checked over. Have it painted Arancio (closest to Molteni). Have them place yellow decals or blue decals, simple ones. Have them personalize 'i will begin again' on the top tube in lower case block letters. It's in Saratoga Springs so I can pick it up, bring it to NYC to have Bono bless it with grace, then build it up in Campy 8 speed with a nice and easy cassette on some handbuilt 28 spoke wheels. I'll even invite E-Richie to meet in NYC for the sacred event. 'Jane's Tavern' on Hudson and Jane Street; Guinness, wine, fireplace, chicks, Molteni and great food there. At least the last time I was there it was like that, except no Serotta frames. If you powdercoat that frame, I'll never forgive you.

:)

Sandy
11-13-2007, 08:45 AM
I sw a carbon fiber HSG painted in Arancio- Beautiful. One of the nicest loking bike I have ever seen. I was thinking about it for my new bike. Just started thinking about it again.


Orange Peel Sandy

Blue Jays
11-13-2007, 08:47 AM
My inclination would be to send it back to the Serotta factory, let 'em give the frame a nice healthcheck and assessment. Have them add/delete anything like waterbottle bosses, pump pegs, etc., and then go for the paintjob. It is only performed infrequently, so you might as well be overjoyed with the results.

:beer:

Viper
11-13-2007, 08:49 AM
I sw a carbon fiber HSG painted in Arancio- Beautiful. I was thainking about it for my new bike. Just starte thinking about it again.


Orange Peel Sandy


It seems like a really kewl color indeed. I'll allow HR to get it painted in Team KAS colors too, Platinum with yellow panel on the seat tube, yellow decals and in yellow block letters on the TT 'i will begin again' (from U2's 'New Year's Day'). Viva Poland!!!

Viper
11-13-2007, 08:58 AM
It's actually not far from this currently, it'd need Platinum paint and Oro decals/panels ftw...

e-RICHIE
11-13-2007, 09:03 AM
It's actually not far from this currently, it'd need Platinum paint and Oro decals/panels ftw...
that was my fav paints scheme pre-80s. ugo called
it Kas after the spanish team he supplied frames for.
i actually ordered one at the factory and was measured
by the man - way back in 79 atmo.

sspielman
11-13-2007, 09:34 AM
that was my fav paints scheme pre-80s. ugo called
it Kas after the spanish team he supplied frames for.
i actually ordered one at the factory and was measured
by the man - way back in 79 atmo.


Did he know that you were a builder your own-self?

Fixed
11-13-2007, 09:34 AM
It's actually not far from this currently, it'd need Platinum paint and Oro decals/panels ftw...
everybody knocks s.k.'s position but he looks cool to me
cheers imho

paintin is hard.... harder than it seems anyone can spray but to make it look nice.. it's hard imho

e-RICHIE
11-13-2007, 09:38 AM
Did he know that you were a builder your own-self?
i wasn't much of a builder then but...
i spent a day at the shop atmo and we knew each
other from the nyc trade shows that preceded the visit.

sspielman
11-13-2007, 09:40 AM
It's actually not far from this currently, it'd need Platinum paint and Oro decals/panels ftw...

Why is it that DeRosa's always look so "right" even when they are a naked frame? That paint scheme is pretty close to the top.....and I have always thought that a classic DeRosa should be 1) Ferrari Red 2) Faema Ferrari red/white 3) Orange...

sspielman
11-13-2007, 09:44 AM
i wasn't much of a builder then but...
i spent a day at the shop atmo and we knew each
other from the nyc trade shows that preceded the visit.

If only he knew the damaging affect that sort of pornography could have on an impressionable young man....

regularguy412
11-13-2007, 09:45 AM
It looks like it would be $350 + $50 for the additional color + $40 for decals + $25 for cut out detailing + taxes and then shipping there and back. So, it would be about $600... which seems pretty close to the standard for a quality job.

Anyone had one done by Serotta and don't mind sharing the out the door cost?

My 25th Anniversary CSI needed some new top tube cable stops. I sent the frame and fork back in to Serotta for the work. It took a bit more than the eight weeks they estimated , since there was a _LOT_ of refurb work being done back this past February. The result was _WELL_ worth the wait and the cost. They discovered my F1 fork had a loose dropout and replaced it with a new Ouzo Pro at no charge. They warrantied my fork after it was 10 years old. I had FrameSavered all the tubes when I built it up and they were perfect inside. I requested the same paint as original. It is one color, no outlines, with decals only on seat tube, down tube and chainstays, plus an 'S' on the fork crown and head tube. The entire cost was approx. $750, including the brazing and shipping to and from Arkansas.

You can see some not-so-great pix (by me) here:

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=29458&highlight=25th+anniversary+csi

Mike in AR

J.Greene
11-13-2007, 09:51 AM
that was my fav paints scheme pre-80s. ugo called
it Kas after the spanish team he supplied frames for.
i actually ordered one at the factory and was measured
by the man - way back in 79 atmo.

Do you still have the frame?

JG

Fixed
11-13-2007, 09:53 AM
j.g. how was miami ?
cheers

e-RICHIE
11-13-2007, 09:57 AM
Do you still have the frame?

JG
no - we jetisoned when it arrived in nyc.
but i still have the hand-written order form with
the 3 (that's three only) specs he needed to start
the build atmo.

J.Greene
11-13-2007, 09:57 AM
j.g. how was miami ?
cheers

Relentless!

JG

sspielman
11-13-2007, 10:04 AM
no - we jetisoned when it arrived in nyc.
but i still have the hand-written order form with
the 3 (that's three only) specs he needed to start
the build atmo.

...let's see... that would be rear hub spacing....number of bottle braze-ons...and color....

handsomerob
11-13-2007, 10:23 AM
If it goes back to Serotta, I am pretty sure I want this...

just like Len's beauty... http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showpost.php?p=1283431&postcount=41

or I could really go for either of the BeBe colors...

mcteague
11-13-2007, 10:27 AM
It's actually not far from this currently, it'd need Platinum paint and Oro decals/panels ftw...
Kelly is riding an aluminum Vitus with light blue anodized main tubes and silver fork and stays. No paint at all on this frame. Why did you post that shot out of curiosity?

Tim McTeague

Len J
11-13-2007, 10:29 AM
If it goes back to Serotta, I am pretty sure I want this...

just like Len's beauty... http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showpost.php?p=1283431&postcount=41

Thanks.

Mine is a one off pearl white that the guys at Serotta said that PPG mixed up special. No one has the formula as near as I can find.

Len

Len J
11-13-2007, 10:30 AM
It's actually not far from this currently, it'd need Platinum paint and Oro decals/panels ftw...

a lust worthy paint job fer shur

Len

handsomerob
11-13-2007, 10:32 AM
Thanks.

Mine is a one off pearl white that the guys at Serotta said that PPG mixed up special. No one has the formula as near as I can find.

Len

so... I can expect that PM shortly??? :rolleyes:

seriously Len, I have lusted after that paint scheme ever since I saw the pics.

handsomerob
11-13-2007, 10:33 AM
a lust worthy paint job fer shur

Len

jinx.... we both were thinking lust at the same time.... and we were both talking about bikes. We are sick you know.

handsomerob
11-13-2007, 10:38 AM
Kelly is riding an aluminum Vitus with light blue anodized main tubes and silver fork and stays. No paint at all on this frame. Why did you post that shot out of curiosity?

Tim McTeague

Maybe I should go with Serotta's "Ice" blue with white panels and red/black logo? This is a finicky touch, but I would really like to get the hearts and diamonds in red and the clubs and spades in black on the fork lugs.

cpg
11-13-2007, 10:44 AM
Call Chris Kvale. 612.724.8843. He does excellant work and is reasonably priced.

Curt

Len J
11-13-2007, 10:55 AM
so... I can expect that PM shortly??? :rolleyes:

seriously Len, I have lusted after that paint scheme ever since I saw the pics.

Thanks.

I got close but not as close as I would have liked.

len

norman neville
11-13-2007, 10:57 AM
Call Chris Kvale. 612.724.8843. He does excellant work and is reasonably priced.

Curt

chris kvale is a definite. pm saab2k and find out what his ckc repaint on his serotta cost.

a few calls or e-mails may get you a line on a good paint job that doesn't cost in the jb range. the list has been compliled here before. ckc, assenmacher, keith anderson, airglow, sem, doug fattic, d&d. you hear good stuff about all of them.

fwiw, there's a light purple metallic imron that'll be pretty close to the original color on that old serotta; delicate yet compelling. single color, decals, clear. good stuff & keepin' the price down.

Jack Brunk
11-13-2007, 11:21 AM
Talk to Zank about Hot Tubes. The pearl white paint job on my Zank is pretty sweet.

mcteague
11-13-2007, 11:33 AM
Talk to Zank about Hot Tubes. The pearl white paint job on my Zank is pretty sweet.
I LOVE the paint job on this Zank. Maybe because it reminds me of the Raleigh Pro I lusted after from my youth.

Tim McTeague

14max
11-13-2007, 12:04 PM
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barry1021
11-13-2007, 12:05 PM
I LOVE this Zank paint job. Maybe because it reminds me of the Raleigh Pro I lusted after from my youth.

Tim McTeague

above and below the panel in the same color seems to reduce the contrast of the panel, which makes it more pleasing to my eye, as say, compared to Handsome Rob's Serotta ice Blue mockup. And Worcester is so-o-o close.....

b21

Grant McLean
11-13-2007, 02:04 PM
that was my fav paints scheme pre-80s. ugo called
it Kas after the spanish team he supplied frames for.
i actually ordered one at the factory and was measured
by the man - way back in 79 atmo.

enjoy the wayback...


-g

sspielman
11-13-2007, 02:09 PM
enjoy the wayback...


-g

That is pretty close to perfection, ATMO......my size, too....and all of those pantographed parts!

Viper
11-13-2007, 02:15 PM
enjoy the wayback...


-g


Since E-Richie won't make me a 55.5 square frame in Team KAS colors, I'm going to have to buy one from De Rosa, a Neo Primato. I might stare/consider a Serotta CAD (full steel), but I prefer lugs.

Worst case is I get a Neo Primato and have Richie crack open a case of Belgian Grimbergen Blonde over the head tube and give it the proper pre-launch prayer.

Grant McLean
11-13-2007, 02:34 PM
I'm going to have to buy one from De Rosa, a Neo Primato.

there are worse things in life than owning a Neo Primato...

thread the fork if you get one!

-g

Fixed
11-13-2007, 02:37 PM
g.m. is that your bike sweet
cheers imho

handsomerob
11-13-2007, 02:53 PM
above and below the panel in the same color seems to reduce the contrast of the panel, which makes it more pleasing to my eye, as say, compared to Handsome Rob's Serotta ice Blue mockup. And Worcester is so-o-o close.....

b21

Not pictured on my mock up are all the engraved/pantoed spots that would tie in with the red and black.

Viper
11-13-2007, 02:54 PM
there are worse things in life than owning a Neo Primato...

thread the fork if you get one!

-g

51 or 52 or?

Sweet wheels too and I hear ya about the fork/quill stem FTW.

Viper
11-13-2007, 02:56 PM
Not pictured on my mock up are all the engraved/pantoed spots that would tie in with the red and black.

YOU WILL give me that frame.
I WANT those droids and that frame.
NO disintegrations.

handsomerob
11-13-2007, 03:20 PM
YOU WILL give me that frame.
I WANT those droids and that frame.
NO disintegrations.


These aren't the droids (or frame) you're looking for.

Viper
11-13-2007, 03:27 PM
These aren't the droids (or frame) you're looking for.

You'll be getting a knock on your door later, I suggest you take the safety off. Red/dead.

Blue Jays
11-13-2007, 03:50 PM
"there are worse things in life than owning a Neo Primato...thread the fork if you get one!"Love the sweet DeRosa. What a classic. Great choice on the Hyperon wheelset as well, which was one of my favorite acquisitions this season.

:beer:

Grant McLean
11-13-2007, 03:59 PM
g.m. is that your bike sweet
cheers imho

no, that deRosa isn't mine, just a photo from a japanese blog.

I have a late 80's silver one, photos somewhere in the custom bikes gallery

-g

Blue Jays
11-13-2007, 04:40 PM
In that case you've got fantastic taste in bicycles!

:beer:

J.Greene
11-13-2007, 05:15 PM
Since E-Richie won't make me a 55.5 square frame in Team KAS colors

Viper, just ask a little nicer. I asked last week for a Richard Sachs in team Kas colors and this showed up today FedEX.

JG

fishbolish
11-13-2007, 08:35 PM
I paint bikes from time to time.lately more for myself( more of a creative outlet).Thought about repainting my serotta 20th anniversary frame(I have painted a couple of serottas in my time), But in the end I decided to send it to serotta, & got back a PERFECTLY stunning frame & fork,top tube signed also( even called them with kudos). most importantly it did not void the frame warranty. money well spent............. ask gothard,im sure we will see pics of it in the alps this year.

djg
11-13-2007, 09:12 PM
I think that I paid Matt Assenmacher about 300 bucks for one panel, a contrasting head tube, decals and hand sanding and painting of an Ouzo Pro fork, but that was a couple of years ago or so. The pics are here:

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=17439&highlight=CSi+fixie

Viper
11-14-2007, 10:23 AM
I'll let Handsomerob break the news...

:banana:

Envision the above Serotta Club Special under the guardianship of one Joe Bell, while this song is playing in the background:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwSRioCGHyo

handsomerob
11-14-2007, 11:32 AM
I'll let Handsomerob break the news...

:banana:

Envision the above Serotta Club Special under the guardianship of one Joe Bell, while this song is playing in the background:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwSRioCGHyo

Given the current status of my over-abundant fleet and the lustful woes of my buddy Viper, I will be signing the frame and my rights to it over to him. It will be his to have and to hold (and to paint ;) )from this day forward.

This decision made easier in part due to the FedEx delivery guy...

Action plan:
Out:
1.) Carbon seat post
2.) Carbon fork
3.) Ritchey crankset
4.) Ritchey stem and bar

In:
1.) Campy post
2.) original steel fork
3.) Campy crankset
4.) silver 3T quill stem and bar

Viper
11-14-2007, 10:13 PM
Given the current status of my over-abundant fleet and the lustful woes of my buddy Viper, I will be signing the frame and my rights to it over to him. It will be his to have and to hold (and to paint ;) )from this day forward.

This decision made easier in part due to the FedEx delivery guy...

Action plan:
Out:
1.) Carbon seat post
2.) Carbon fork
3.) Ritchey crankset
4.) Ritchey stem and bar

In:
1.) Campy post
2.) original steel fork
3.) Campy crankset
4.) silver 3T quill stem and bar

The bike looks to be in mint condition and those wheels are hot.

What color bar tape, white?

handsomerob
11-14-2007, 10:57 PM
The bike looks to be in mint condition and those wheels are hot.

What color bar tape, white?

without question.

saab2000
11-15-2007, 02:19 AM
Looks good. As we discussed, Chris Kvale did this. He is thorough, but you have to request everything you want done or he won't do it, like facing the BB shell and Head tube after it's all done. It's also probably worth seeing him in person, but that's not practical for most people.

BTW, good call on going back to the steel fork.

As you can see, he does know what he is doing. If you want more opinions or more knowledge about Chris Kvale, ask CPG. Chris is well respected, though not as well known as some builders. He is a Minneapolis builder and that's where most of his bikes end up. I could imagine getting a bike from him some day.

333halfevil
11-21-2007, 09:21 PM
Sending it back to serotta is best. Call you LBS and see how much it would be. I am 1 of 2 painters at serotta, and to be honest; the old lug frames are a night mare to paint. But.. they are also my favorite frames to paint. They arrive at Serotta tired, and when they leave they look Better than new. The prep work on those ol' frames is the most important part of the whole process. Bad prep job = crappy looking paint job. We have one prep guy that rocks, and I would not trust anyone else to prep my personal frames. Plus, your frame gets structural QC and the works. I also believe it keeps it warrantied. hoose wisely, and hopefully I will see your baby soon! :cool: