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dave1215
11-12-2007, 11:10 PM
there are a few options for a classic bend (Italian style) shorter reach handlebar including Deda Elementi Newton shallow classic, Ritchey WCS classic road, and Oval Concepts R701 - each of these have a 135mm drop and 80-82mm reach.

do these handlebars have different RAMP SHAPES and which is best?

flux
11-12-2007, 11:12 PM
By "ramp" do you mean the progression from the tops to the drops?

dave1215
11-12-2007, 11:16 PM
By "ramp" do you mean the progression of the tops to the drops?


yes, for instance, this one looks to have quite a bit of slope:

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=420249&postcount=2

flux
11-12-2007, 11:20 PM
From my experience the Deda and Ritchey have more of a flowing arch from the tops running to the hoods whereas the Oval Concepts have more of an abrupt bend leaving the pilot with more flat area to work with.

I like both.

but most importantly.

"I love my Oval Concepts Handlebars."

e-RICHIE
11-12-2007, 11:30 PM
"I love my Oval Concepts Handlebars."
like, i mean - who doesn't atmo?

dave1215
11-13-2007, 09:24 AM
like, i mean - who doesn't atmo?


e-R,

are you able to

and/or

would you do me the favor of

describing the difference in ramp shape and slope among the

Deda Elementi Newton shallow classic,
Ritchey WCS classic road and
Oval Concepts R701

bars?

thanks much,

d

e-RICHIE
11-13-2007, 09:28 AM
what is a ramp and slope?
come by and i'll let you feel about 60 sets of ovals atmo.

dave1215
11-13-2007, 09:37 AM
what is a ramp and slope?
come by and i'll let you feel about 60 sets of ovals atmo.


you are a treasure - responsive AND generous. i'll pm you.

Too Tall
11-13-2007, 09:42 AM
My list is getting out of date if this helps. Anyone who has other bar specs. post them in this format, I'll add to this list.

1. ITM carbon millenium bars...78/148
2. Kestrel EMS PRO 84/150
3. Zipp B2 84/152
4. Salsa Pro 70/140
5. cinelli solidas 90/145
6. Nitto M-184 STI's 100/145
7. cinelli solidas 90/145
8. Nitto noodle m-177 95/140
9. FSA RD200 90/145
10. Ritchey BioMax II 70/130
11. Nitto m-115 100/140
12. ritchey classics 82/135
13. FSA energy T is 90/145
14. ITM "strada" 75/135 (shallow / round)
not the slightly bent version which is 88/154
ITM "strada" bend 31.8 millenium 4ever
and the 25.8 old school millenium.
15. ITM 2007 "101" series ITM (round)

Dave
11-13-2007, 10:04 AM
You can tell quite a bit about the ramp down on the Deda and Oval bars just by looking at the online pictures. Both have got a steep downward angle. The Ritchey website doesn't have a decent picture or a side view illustration.

http://www.ovalconcepts.com/productsGenereDett.php?idGenere=11&idCat=2

http://www.dedaelementi.com/dettaglio.asp?articolo=123

Easton still makes a classic bend bar, but the reach and drop are both smaller. I like the EC-90 equipe (anatomic). I tried the FSA K-force compact that has a roundish hook section, but I've decided that a properly angled straight section is what my hand likes for extended periods in the hooks. Back to the EC-90 for me.

http://www.eastonbike.com/PRODUCTS/BARS/bar_road_ec90_equipe.html

BdaGhisallo
11-13-2007, 10:55 AM
Sadly that classic bend Easton you speak of - the EC90 Equipe Pro bend, 130mm drop and 75mm reach - is no more. Easton stupidly stopped making it in late 2006.

I still shed a tear over the loss of that great product.

michael white
11-13-2007, 11:49 AM
Sadly that classic bend Easton you speak of - the EC90 Equipe Pro bend, 130mm drop and 75mm reach - is no more. Easton stupidly stopped making it in late 2006.

I still shed a tear over the loss of that great product.

moi aussi, it's my best bar and I ride it all the time.

for folks really into the "ramp," the Nitto Noodle is the ticket, right?.

old_school
11-13-2007, 12:14 PM
These (http://www.thenew3t.com/products.aspx?i=Dropbars&p=rotundo) look promising. Thankfully, they should be available in both alloy and plastic ... still waiting to see them in-person. It appears that 3ttt (http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/index.php?showtopic=5058&) has new investors who are looking to put a classic back on the map.

dave1215
11-13-2007, 12:23 PM
These (http://www.thenew3t.com/products.aspx?i=Dropbars&p=rotundo) look promising. Thankfully, they should be available in both alloy and plastic ... still waiting to see them in-person. It appears that 3ttt (http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/index.php?showtopic=5058&) has new investors who are looking to put a classic back on the map.


yes, those are beautiful - do you know when they become available?

although, i wonder about quality - look at the gaps behind the faceplates of the enlarged side photos of their stems. :eek:

rpm
11-13-2007, 12:57 PM
I'm a fan of the new FSA compacts, but take a look at the latest Bontrager VRs (variable radius, adspeak for round). You should be able to check them out in person at your local Trek dealer. They come in several different varieties:

http://www.bontrager.com/Road/Components/Index_Road_Handlebars.php

old_school
11-13-2007, 01:09 PM
yes, those are beautiful - do you know when they become available?

although, i wonder about quality - look at the gaps behind the faceplates of the enlarged side photos of their stems. :eek:

I am not sure when they are due to land; I have been keeping my eyes out since interbike. It should be sometime soon, one would think.

As far as q/c, the new director for product development at 3ttt was formerly head of composite design at Ferrari Formula 1. Hopefully those faceplates just weren't bolted down tightly.

Climb01742
11-13-2007, 03:03 PM
I'm a fan of the new FSA compacts, but take a look at the latest Bontrager VRs (variable radius, adspeak for round). You should be able to check them out in person at your local Trek dealer. They come in several different varieties:

http://www.bontrager.com/Road/Components/Index_Road_Handlebars.php

these have a_very_short flat-section of the drop. unless your hands are tiny, there's no real useful drop to grab.

another, imperfect option is the deda supernatural. flat ramp. shallow drop. but not round bend and wish the flats were longer.

Steve-O
11-13-2007, 03:20 PM
There have been some deep drop Easton classic bends on Performance Bike for some time. I have a set and plan on trying them out over the winter.

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=23993&subcategory_ID=5255

dave1215
11-13-2007, 04:26 PM
hey guys (and gals?), thanks for all that feedback - very helpful and i appreciate it.

ButtedMoron
11-13-2007, 06:03 PM
the Belgian Drop still in Silver?>

thx

TTBS
11-13-2007, 07:29 PM
have a look at PRO bars, they make short and deep drop round bars in black, silver, and dark grey (similar to polished metal newtons). PRO are shimano products. I use the compact round bar and love it.

http://pro-bikegear.com/publish/content/pro_site/sbx/Pro_Landing/EN/Products.html

Grant McLean
11-13-2007, 07:45 PM
have a look at PRO bars, they make short and deep drop round bars in black, silver, and dark grey (similar to polished metal newtons). PRO are shimano products. I use the compact round bar and love it.

http://pro-bikegear.com/publish/content/pro_site/sbx/Pro_Landing/EN/Products.html

No, PLT doesn't come in silver, but the XLT does, but the XLT is not round.
There is no round silver bar in the PRO line.
(but the PLT comes in two different grey colours!!)

It's going to be confusing to people buying this stuff on-line. PRO changed the
grey for '08, it's darker than last year. There are going to be mismatched
sets out there!

-g

Grant McLean
11-13-2007, 07:51 PM
Sadly that classic bend Easton you speak of - the EC90 Equipe Pro bend, 130mm drop and 75mm reach - is no more. Easton stupidly stopped making it in late 2006.


sounds just like one of these from ITM:

-g

ButtedMoron
11-13-2007, 08:40 PM
4ZA (Ridley's Parts Group) makes a nice bar called the Classic

TTBS
11-13-2007, 11:37 PM
No, PLT doesn't come in silver, but the XLT does, but the XLT is not round.
There is no round silver bar in the PRO line.
(but the PLT comes in two different grey colours!!)

-g


good catch grant. still great bars though and worth a look.

neverraced
11-14-2007, 09:40 AM
have a look at PRO bars, they make short and deep drop round bars in black, silver, and dark grey (similar to polished metal newtons). PRO are shimano products. I use the compact round bar and love it.

http://pro-bikegear.com/publish/content/pro_site/sbx/Pro_Landing/EN/Products.html


They don't seem to be available in the US. Any US outlets I can't find?

Grant McLean
11-14-2007, 10:00 AM
They don't seem to be available in the US. Any US outlets I can't find?

a shop can order PRO stuff through shimano USA

-g

jthurow
11-14-2007, 10:52 AM
the Belgian Drop still in Silver?>

thx
Try the Nitto 215 (http://www.speedgoat.com/product.asp?part=41992&cat=20&brand=169) or Dream/M176 (http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/handlebars_stems_and_tape#product=16-081).

jimi