How much does my 54 legend Ti weigh?

[wolverine]

Help me solve an argument without taking apart the love of my life.
Weight Weeneies has the Ottrott ST 56 listed at 1458 grams( 3.21 lbs)as the "real"weight. I am arguing my 54 legend Ti in compact geometry is lighter.
Does anybody have the real numbers??

[hammeron2wheels]

Give it up. It's classified info. It's heavy and that's allyou need to know...go carbon young man. :crap:

[slowgoing]

I have a 55 stock Legend that weighs between 2.9 and 3 pounds on my fish scale.

[wolverine]

according to hammeron2wheels the information was classified and never coming out. thanks for the help. ...and hammer boy...."no soup for you!"

[93legendti]

Don't know, but my LBS weighed my 52 Ottrott at 16'6"--w/ clincher wheels (American Classic Sprint 350's and Veloflex Pave tires) and all! I have Speedplay X-1 pedals, FSA Team Issue Cranks and Pro BB, Easton 44cm EC-90 bars, Easton EC-90 Seatpost, Selle Italia Flite Gel Flow Seat, Pedro Milk Cages, and D/A 9 speed every where else.

[Climb01742]

it seems every change made in the ottrott has been aimed at making it lighter. what does that tell you? ;)

[93legendti]

it seems every change made in the ottrott has been aimed at making it lighter. what does that tell you? ;)



Trek has been doing the same thing to their OCLV for years...what's the big deal?

[Climb01742]

it tells me...early adoptors perhaps unwittingly participate in R&D...the ultimate frame wasn't perhaps so ultimate...it is a work in progress...and despite my first, unfulfilling experience with an ottrott, i'm damn curious about an '05...'cause i have faith in ben and kelly...that's what it tells me. ;)

[93legendti]

hmmm, interesting perspective...

[Climb01742]

thanks, i try to be interesting ;)

[Andreu]

"it tells me...early adoptors perhaps unwittingly participate in R&D...the ultimate frame wasn't perhaps so ultimate...it is a work in progress...and despite my first, unfulfilling experience with an ottrott, i'm damn curious about an '05...'cause i have faith in ben and kelly...that's what it tells me."

Have to agree. Classic "ploy" used by companies in high-tech areas. Sometimes the goods they peddle go beyond the State-of-the-art boundary and they need feedback quick to make whatever changes they need to do.
I am not sure this was the intention of Serotta with the Ottrott but my experience with developing technology is that it is extremely difficult to get things right 100% first time around. It is usually by version 2 at least when all the problems have more or less been ironed out.
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[Climb01742]

saying that anything is "the ultimate" is always tricky. i believe 100% that when ben made the first ottrotts they were the finest frames serotta could build. not an ounce of deception on anyone's part. but weight has never been as high a priority for serottas as, perhaps, it could have been. everything is an evolution, a work in progress. i'm glad ottrotts are getting lighter. for many of us, lighter is better. and i'm glad ben and company are dedicated to always making things better. my impatience to buy one was totally my own doing.

[Andreu]

I say, keep pushing the envelope back. The Ottrott is good (and "the ultimate" in its context) and will get better....and less expensive (I hope). There is always going to be a degree of experimentation involved and this is a risk worth taking because we will get a better frame.
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[Needs Help]

Don't forget, the first iteration of the Ottrott had a Ti rear. There was at least one customer who was extremely upset when, within a year, Serotta introduced the ST option, and his "ultimate bike" became less than ultimate.

[93legendti]

You can still get an Ottrott with a ti rear end.

http://www.serotta.com/pages/ottrott.html