View Full Version : Landis Decision Is In . . .
BumbleBeeDave
09-20-2007, 12:37 PM
AP News alert at 1:30 pm . . . Landis guilty, gets two year ban retroactive to January 30, 2007. vote was 2-1, with Campbell dissenting . . . Landis will thus have to forfeit his TdF victory.
Well, it looks like the French virgins are safe for at least two years . . . :rolleyes:
BBD
saab2000
09-20-2007, 12:42 PM
I think it should be retroactive to whenever he had to stop racing because of the positive test. That would be sometime in 2006.
J.Greene
09-20-2007, 12:43 PM
it's too bad it was 2-1. 3-0 either direction would have been nice.
JG
AP News alert at 1:30 pm . . . Landis guilty, gets two year ban retroactive to January 30, 2007. vote was 2-1, with Campbell dissenting . . . Landis will thus have to forfeit his TdF victory.
Well, it looks like the French virgins are safe for at least two years . . . :rolleyes:
BBD
J.Greene
09-20-2007, 12:49 PM
The ap story is disturbing. I think Floyd did it, but the story has me thinking the arbitrators were looking for a judgement of guilty first, and justice second.
JG
Climb01742
09-20-2007, 01:11 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3029089
Gothard
09-20-2007, 01:24 PM
While he may very well have doped, the biggest cheaters in all this mess are all and every single person from the anti-doping brigade that was near any of the TDF stuff. They are cheats. As the article says, a lot of what happened would not have been tolerated in a civil court.
Then?? Why 2 sets of rules? civilian for the "important" matters, and "cheat all you can" for sports? Except that decision is basically finishing to destroy someone's life with little regards for fairness.
mschol17
09-20-2007, 01:28 PM
With the panel's record at 34-0 pre-hearing, the outcome was never really in doubt, was it?
Gothard
09-20-2007, 01:30 PM
That's part of my point. Reminds me of russian, north korean or chinese justice systems.
jberk
09-20-2007, 01:33 PM
it is interesting that the AP is also reporting that the majority found that the initial test was not conducted according to WADA standards, but the more sophisticated test was conducted properly. When the dust settles, I suspect that finding, if true, will be the real long term story.
I wish the penalty would keep getting pushed back each time he appeals.
The longer he drags cycling through the mud the more damage he does.
Keith A
09-20-2007, 02:00 PM
And here's the SI article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/09/20/bc.cyc.landisdecision.ap/index.html?cnn=yes)
dutri42590
09-20-2007, 02:23 PM
finaly a dession on the case they have beeen say there will be an anser since may 5
this is good he is guilty
but why was he mtb race here in the states
JPR
BumbleBeeDave
09-20-2007, 02:31 PM
. . . nor US Cycling sanctioned. but there are not many of those events. There aren't going to be many places he can do any racing worthy of the name.
BBD
Grant McLean
09-20-2007, 02:35 PM
it's too bad it was 2-1. 3-0 either direction would have been nice.
JG
Agreed, but I don't think that was likely.
That Campbell guy also had the dissenting opinion in the Tyler Hamilton case.
He was the Landis team's pick, so it was going to be 2-1 at best.
g
J.Greene
09-20-2007, 02:37 PM
finaly a dession on the case they have beeen say there will be an anser since may 5
this is good he is guilty
but why was he mtb race here in the states
JPR
Junior,
floyd did non sanctioned races.
bring your pump tonight.
JG
dutri42590
09-20-2007, 02:38 PM
Junior,
floyd did non sanctioned races.
bring your pump tonight.
JG
remeber your jersy
JPR
JohnS
09-20-2007, 02:39 PM
Somebody needs some spelling and grammar lessons, bad...
dutri42590
09-20-2007, 02:40 PM
Somebody needs some spelling and grammar lessons, bad...
you mean me
JPR
saab2000
09-20-2007, 02:40 PM
Somebody needs some spelling and grammar lessons, bad...
Try typing on a forum in a language which is not your own. Then lecture someone on spelling and grammar.
JohnS
09-20-2007, 02:43 PM
Try typing on a forum in a language which is not your own. Then lecture someone on spelling and grammar.
I checked his profile first and didn't see anything. Sorry I'm not a mind reader...
J.Greene
09-20-2007, 02:45 PM
Somebody needs some spelling and grammar lessons, bad...
lay off Junior. All he does is eats, sleeps and lives bike racing. His arms hang to the ground. He's a caveman. When they write about him in Velonews you can appreciate the fine grammar they use. :banana:
JG
Gothard
09-20-2007, 02:46 PM
Saab,
Obwohl es konnte nicht seine Sprache sein, es ist wirlklich sehr schlecht, kaum zu verstehen.
Grant McLean
09-20-2007, 02:53 PM
Somebody needs some spelling and grammar lessons, bad...
adverb police:I believe that's actually, "badly"...
http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/eduweb/grammar/course/speech/1_4b.htm
:)
g
Fixed
09-20-2007, 02:59 PM
bro i better leave home
imho cheers :beer:
swoop
09-20-2007, 02:59 PM
thankfully.. there's more to life than bike racin'. maybe floyd will join the cast of The View. expect more gems like... "i would say no".
is it cheating if its the standard? its rhetorical. tough sport.
another good kid in an impossible situation.
stuff like that.
does this mean I moved up a place in the leadville 100?
davids
09-20-2007, 03:44 PM
adverb police:I believe that's actually, "badly"...
http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/eduweb/grammar/course/speech/1_4b.htm
:)
g
That's what I was going to say.
...back to the OP: I'm not surprised, but I feel crappy about it. I'm reliving my deep disappointment, and the flowering of my cynicism, all over again.
saab2000
09-20-2007, 03:49 PM
Saab,
Obwohl es konnte nicht seine Sprache sein, es ist wirlklich sehr schlecht, kaum zu verstehen.
Eben. Aber trotzdem....
The award is 84 pages long. I suggest people read that rather than the crap in the mass media and then make up your mind.
swoop
09-20-2007, 06:20 PM
hey.. i lost count.. how many former postal riders have been popped or outed themselves?
e-RICHIE
09-20-2007, 06:22 PM
hey.. i lost count.. how many former postal riders have been popped or outed themselves?
that's a rhetorical question atmo.
swoop
09-20-2007, 06:29 PM
that's a rhetorical question atmo.
i could put it this way.. how many children of postal riders glow in the dark?
hey that's not a firefly... that's my daughter.
Kevin
09-20-2007, 06:37 PM
A split decision is disturbing. I spend my life in front of arbitration panels on some very complex matters and the vote is almost always 3-0. Sometimes for me, sometimes against me. When there is a split among the arbitrators it is disturbing. With that said, I think he did it.
Kevin
rinconryder
09-20-2007, 06:45 PM
Who here really doesn't care anymore? Me, for one. I just like to ride.
FATBOY
09-20-2007, 06:59 PM
Why does this whole situation make me feel like Capt. Yosarian being pitched syndicate shares by Milo Minderbinder? Somewhere there is a huge pile of Egyptian lycra waiting to be sold at a loss for our profit, while the whole sports lies in wait like the soldier in white wishing someone would come switch it's bottles. Has anything really been won here our do I just have crab apples in my cheeks? :rolleyes:
Fixed
09-20-2007, 07:02 PM
floyds out 2 mill now
npr said
cheers :beer:
swoop
09-20-2007, 07:06 PM
millar did it right. take your licks... come back like you never did it (minus results) and become a part of the fix.
its like getting slimed.. innocent or not... fighting it doesn't work.
rounder
09-20-2007, 10:19 PM
I agree. Once the media has made up it's mind you are toast. It seems like the only thing you can do for them is to make some statement like...well, mistakes were made. I just want to move on and be the best i can be, etc.
swoop
09-20-2007, 10:58 PM
I agree. Once the media has made up it's mind you are toast. It seems like the only thing you can do for them is to make some statement like...well, mistakes were made. I just want to move on and be the best i can be, etc.
or once you fail a test. pesky things. there's always golf. woops, too late.
72gmc
09-21-2007, 12:21 AM
or once you fail a test.
Ironic that the original test that "caught" Floyd was determined by both sides to be a screwup. I would rather watch doped cyclists cycle than watch a hypocritical gaggle of proto-Puritans fix bad cases that their bad labs bring against doped cyclists.
m_moses
09-21-2007, 03:58 AM
Floyd . . . tell us the truth . . . now is the time to come clean. You might not be rich but you'll have respect.
William
09-21-2007, 05:01 AM
Floyd . . . tell us the truth . . . now is the time to come clean. You might not be rich but you'll have respect.
IMHO, that works better when you do it from the start. Just doesn't seem to have quite the impact when you lie multitudes of times in the national press, in court proceedings, to defense fund supporters, and to all your fans....then only come clean after your nailed.
Look at Tyler. He did the same thing, got nailed. Still tried to maintain innocense, then got nailed again in the OP affair.
What bothers me is the charade of the whole system. We know they do it. They know they do it. Just admit that you'all dope and continue on with the freak show.
STAGE 12, 2008 TOUR DE FRANCE
Phil: Well team Rabobank has really been dominating this Tour!
Paul: That's right Phil. Rabobanks Doctor has come up with a new concoction of HGH, Testosterone, Red Bull, EPO, and Pez candy that really has the team racing at a blistering pace. You know, if you look closely you can see the big Lance Armstrong head of their Pez dispencers just poking up out of their jersey pockets.
Phil: Well, that's really going to get the other team Doctors scrambling to come up with something new Paul. I hear T-Mobile is bringing in Dr. Ferrari to answer this new development......
:rolleyes:
William
m_moses
09-21-2007, 07:03 AM
IMHO, that works better when you do it from the start.
Better? I won't argue that. But to continue the charade hurts him and the sport. As swoop said, better to turn the page, start anew, become part of the solution instead of the problem. I don't think it's ever to late.
millar did it right. take your licks... come back like you never did it (minus results) and become a part of the fix.
its like getting slimed.. innocent or not... fighting it doesn't work.
millar's a spineless pretentious egomaniacal compulsive lying douchebag. doing it right is shutting the hell up and doing your job. not making up stupid excuses and lying to everyone after you've already spilled your guts like a 12 year old girl to the french police.
there's no doubt in my mind he's back on the program either.
jerk
Grant McLean
09-21-2007, 07:22 AM
there's no doubt in my mind he's back on the program either.
jerk
Why is he so slow? Ouch.
-g
Dave B
09-21-2007, 09:14 AM
I guess over the years I have finally become jaded.
I guess my biggest question for Floyd is how did you think you were going to win?
USADA is what 36 to 0 in proving what they want. A system that doesn't give you the same right as our justice system. Good lord
I could care less that he did it or not, or any of them for that matter. The made loads of money, Landis loss loads of money.
We are not going to see any of these guys in the peleton again.
If Swoop is right and everyone does drugs, then I'll just root for my fav anyway.
At least cycling kicks them out for first offenses and now asks for money.
Can you imagine if any of the Yankees had to give back their money. Good thing they are all clean! :rolleyes: :D
Big Dan
09-21-2007, 09:20 AM
I guess over the years I have finally become jaded.
I guess my biggest question for Floyd is how did you think you were going to win?
USADA is what 36 to 0 in proving what they want. A system that doesn't give you the same right as our justice system. Good lord
I could care less that he did it or not, or any of them for that matter. The made loads of money, Landis loss loads of money.
We are not going to see any of these guys in the peleton again.
If Swoop is right and everyone does drugs, then I'll just root for my fav anyway.
At least cycling kicks them out for first offenses and now asks for money.
Can you imagine if any of the Yankees had to give back their money. Good thing they are all clean! :rolleyes: :D
What does this have to do with our justice system?
:confused:
swoop
09-21-2007, 09:47 AM
I guess over the years I have finally become jaded.
I guess my biggest question for Floyd is how did you think you were going to win?
USADA is what 36 to 0 in proving what they want. A system that doesn't give you the same right as our justice system. Good lord
I could care less that he did it or not, or any of them for that matter. The made loads of money, Landis loss loads of money.
We are not going to see any of these guys in the peleton again.
If Swoop is right and everyone does drugs, then I'll just root for my fav anyway.
At least cycling kicks them out for first offenses and now asks for money.
Can you imagine if any of the Yankees had to give back their money. Good thing they are all clean! :rolleyes: :D
there are plenty of clean guys to root for. shoot even on disco tony cruz was clean. lots of clean guys in the field.. vande velde, dz...
i'm pretty sure the guys that are out there laying it on the line know who's clean and who's dirty. and you know.. the good dirty guys are spending 70 or 80k a year on the program.... that's rough too.
Avispa
09-21-2007, 10:00 AM
there's no doubt in my mind he's back on the program either.
Why is he so slow? Ouch.
Hey G,
Wasn't that guy from Confidis also really slow... Double Ouch!
I agree with the J here.
A!
goonster
09-21-2007, 10:05 AM
Ironic that the original test that "caught" Floyd was determined by both sides to be a screwup. I would rather watch doped cyclists cycle than watch a hypocritical gaggle of proto-Puritans fix bad cases that their bad labs bring against doped cyclists.
+1.
The system is effed. At the very least, Floyd is right about that.
swoop
09-21-2007, 10:09 AM
millar's a spineless pretentious egomaniacal compulsive lying douchebag. doing it right is shutting the hell up and doing your job. not making up stupid excuses and lying to everyone after you've already spilled your guts like a 12 year old girl to the french police.
there's no doubt in my mind he's back on the program either.
jerk
i was being a smarta** and ironical!
Fixed
09-21-2007, 10:12 AM
millar's a spineless pretentious egomaniacal compulsive lying douchebag. doing it right is shutting the hell up and doing your job. not making up stupid excuses and lying to everyone after you've already spilled your guts like a 12 year old girl to the french police.
there's no doubt in my mind he's back on the program either.
jerk
where is the code of honor ? imho don't kiss and tell
cheers
BumbleBeeDave
09-21-2007, 10:26 AM
+1.
The system is effed. At the very least, Floyd is right about that.
The system of administration and enforcement is just as messed up as any of the cyclists on dope--just in a different way. Look at the UCI vs. ASO celebrity death match p*ssing contest. Look at the obvious sloppy testing procedures on the enforcement side pointed out by the arbitrators in their decision.
I guess what I find most discouraging about all of this is that it seems so difficult to find anyone anymore as a good example who has any visibility. The good guys you simply don't hear anything about. They go about their business. It's very difficult to point to anyone with any notoriety as a positive role model with any certainty.
Lance wins so many races and impresses me, then proves (at least to me) through his subsequent behavior that he's just a d*ck. Tyler is Mr. Nice Guy, then turns out to be a doper. Floyd wins, then even if he didn't dope, proves at his hearing what kind of slime ball he is.
I know it's just the way the world is, but it's still discouraging and makes me not care at all about pro cycling. guess nice guys really DO finish last . . . Sigh.
BBD
Those whiny pansies have no honor.
Dave B
09-21-2007, 10:30 AM
What does this have to do with our justice system?
:confused:
I was thinking of the standards and methods. Procedures and so forth. Lawyer appointed and so forth.. Not so much in the cheating you should be treated like a criminal.
Dave B
09-21-2007, 10:33 AM
there are plenty of clean guys to root for. shoot even on disco tony cruz was clean. lots of clean guys in the field guys .. vande velde, dz...
i'm pretty sure the guys that are out there laying it on the line know who's clean and who's dirty. and you know.. the good dirty guys are soending 70 or 80k a year.... that's rough too.
Your right.
I do like Dave Z loads and Vande Velde seems to be a pretty up standing fella. Plus there is always Karl Bordine!
Dave Z has had great success, but it seems like you said somewhere else the top 20 are all on something.
Kinda brings a bummer to races and such
Oh well it isn't like these guys give a rat's a$$ if I teach a decent science lesson or not.
Go Dave Z!
Plus his wife is wicked hot!
goonster
09-21-2007, 10:40 AM
The system of administration and enforcement is just as messed up as any of the cyclists on dope--just in a different way.
Floyd's case has proven (to me) that the WADA and USADA are not acting in good faith. That means that the chances are very good that a clean rider can get thrown under the wheels, the very clean rider that the witch hunts are supposed to protect. Un-friggin-acceptable, sez me.
The sport needs a system that does no harm first. Then go from there.
swoop
09-21-2007, 10:42 AM
bbdave.. i don't think you get it.
BumbleBeeDave
09-21-2007, 10:55 AM
bbdave.. i don't think you get it.
. . . I did! ;)
BBD
Big Dan
09-21-2007, 11:10 AM
I was thinking of the standards and methods. Procedures and so forth. Lawyer appointed and so forth.. Not so much in the cheating you should be treated like a criminal.
It's a job, just the same as if the school board suspended you for something....
:cool:
swoop
09-21-2007, 11:25 AM
i cheated on a government test in 4th grade.
i shoplifted for a spell when i was in 6th grade.
i did bad things to my buddies ex girl but they were broken up for a decade and he was a dik anyway and she was hot.
i faked a flat during my first crit because i was so embarassed that i couldn't keep up.
i have killed and will kill again.
i tried adhd meds to help get through long nights studying in grad school.
i dosed my friend with xtc that night he told me he became a born again.it was the 80's.
there's a human head in my freezer.
i used shimano two years ago and liked it.
we all do stuff.
details.
BumbleBeeDave
09-21-2007, 11:29 AM
Who's head? I seem to still have mine . . . :rolleyes:
BBD
e-RICHIE
09-21-2007, 11:32 AM
we all do stuff.
details.
jonathan greene makes all my frames atmo.
sigh
JohnS
09-21-2007, 11:33 AM
jonathan greene makes all my frames atmo.
sigh
Even the aluminum ones? :)
MassBiker
09-21-2007, 11:36 AM
Well in the end cycling (the riders, the governing bodies, etc).
can thank themselves for killing their own sport with drugs and the necessary enforcement of it.
Cycling was a fringe sport and now it is even more irelevant in North America than ever. Sure the Vuelta is going on but who really cares.
Now we have all the sponsors bailing so the opportunities for aspiring pros are even less.
It's unfortunate...and pathetic
IMO
:beer:
swoop
09-21-2007, 11:40 AM
mass.. it hink of the concept of regression towards the mean.
the sport got bloated post indurain. it became distorted around the tdf which is not the soul of the sport by any measure. it got bigger for sensational reasons but not for what the sport is. and it will return to a workable scale.
all brought to you buy the media.
J.Greene
09-21-2007, 11:43 AM
jonathan greene makes all my frames atmo.
sigh
Yo Boss,
I set us up with a new painter in SD, got a great oem deal, says his boss is an old bud of yours.
JG
BumbleBeeDave
09-21-2007, 11:49 AM
Well in the end cycling (the riders, the governing bodies, etc).
can thank themselves for killing their own sport with drugs and the necessary enforcement of it.
Cycling was a fringe sport and now it is even more irelevant in North America than ever. Sure the Vuelta is going on but who really cares.
Now we have all the sponsors bailing so the opportunities for aspiring pros are even less.
It's unfortunate...and pathetic
IMO
:beer:
+1
e-RICHIE
09-21-2007, 11:56 AM
Well in the end cycling (the riders, the governing bodies, etc).
can thank themselves for killing their own sport with drugs and the necessary enforcement of it.
Cycling was a fringe sport and now it is even more irelevant in North America than ever. Sure the Vuelta is going on but who really cares.
Now we have all the sponsors bailing so the opportunities for aspiring pros are even less.
It's unfortunate...and pathetic
IMO
:beer:
+1
and what part does the administrative side of the sport
play in all? the riders get 5-10 years at most, but the
system lives on. if it's the same as it ever was, why lay
the blame on the riders? what about the managers? the
soigneurs? the mechanics? everyone in a team structure
is on the payroll.
like someone said elsewhere, drugs or not, pick a favorite
and cheer for him atmo.
shinomaster
09-21-2007, 11:58 AM
I'll do your decals with a magic marker.
oracle
09-21-2007, 11:59 AM
i blame achilles.
MassBiker
09-21-2007, 12:14 PM
I think people deeply involved in the sport are blinded by their passion for the sport.
Not a bad thing but just a distorted view of things ......trying to defend something that mean a lot to them when it is obviously a complete farce.
and I agree Swoop with your TDF viewpoint.. I was never a tour fan anyways, too boring!
oracle
09-21-2007, 12:21 PM
go back and read the illiad; it's all in there.
BumbleBeeDave
09-21-2007, 12:49 PM
i blame achilles.
I heard he's a real heel . . .
BBD
fstrthnu
09-21-2007, 12:54 PM
I think people deeply involved in the sport are blinded by their passion for the sport.
Not a bad thing but just a distorted view of things ......trying to defend something that mean a lot to them when it is obviously a complete farce.
and I agree Swoop with your TDF viewpoint.. I was never a tour fan anyways, too boring!
A farce? You think the guys on drugs don't go out and train 5-6 hours a day regardless of inclimate weather? You think the doped riders don't do everything for their sport like staying away from public places (germs), not eating whatever they want whenever they want and often getting to bed before their kids or parents do? Do you really think for a second that some already incredibly gifted and talented athlete is a mule because he/she takes a course of EPO to stay healthy or some hormones to keep the natural levels in check? I gotta tell you something... training and racing at that level is nearly impossible without "help". If drug-free you can have two-three weeks max during the season when you are absolutely flying on the bike and let me assure you that 2-3 weeks of strong riding is not enough to get you a contract for the next season when everyone else is riding strong week in and week out. Yes the Tour is 3 weeks but that is a different story... I am talking about non-stage racing.
Just trying to shed some first-hand, informative light on the subject. I hope you don't find my post offensive or brash.
e-RICHIE
09-21-2007, 12:57 PM
A farce? You think the guys on drugs don't go out and train 5-6 hours a day regardless of inclimate weather? You think the doped riders don't do everything for their sport like staying away from public places (germs), not eating whatever they want whenever they want and often getting to bed before their kids or parents do? Do you really think for a second that some already incredibly gifted and talented athlete is a mule because he/she takes a course of EPO to stay healthy or some hormones to keep the natural levels in check? I gotta tell you something... training and racing at that level is nearly impossible without "help". If drug-free you can have two-three weeks max during the season when you are absolutely flying on the bike and let me assure you that 2-3 weeks of strong riding is not enough to get you a contract for the next season when everyone else is riding strong week in and week out. Yes the Tour is 3 weeks but that is a different story... I am talking about non-stage racing.
I am sorry if this sound offensive and rude, that is not my intention. In my opinion some topics should not be discussed actively by those who don't fully understand all sides of the story. Again, this is not a malicious stab... just trying to help you see it from a rider's perspective who has been there, done that, got out.
should be a sticky atmo -
MassBiker
09-21-2007, 01:02 PM
I believe Boonen came out and alluded to what you are saying.. They make the races so hard and then expect them to be clean, it can't happen!
I have a pretty good idea of what it takes to be a pro cyclist but in the end the sport is dying on the vine and it is dying from the inside out.
I don't take what you are saying as rude or offensive either.
Let me see, the sports biggest race and almost every top name is not there because they are on a drug suspension, unfortunately it sounds like a farce to me.
In the end, the sponsors are leaving, the fans are leaving...what else is there?
:beer:
fiamme red
09-21-2007, 01:05 PM
I believe Boonen came out and alluded to what you are saying.. They make the races so hard and then expect them to be clean, it can't happen!Who is "they"? It isn't the organizers who make a race hard, it's the other competitors.
e-RICHIE
09-21-2007, 01:05 PM
In the end, the sponsors are leaving, the fans are leaving...what else is there?
:beer:
the lunchtable atmo -
http://z.about.com/d/gourmetfood/1/0/0/5/Nigella400x233.jpg
fstrthnu
09-21-2007, 01:06 PM
...what else is there?
:beer:
Really cool racing equipment. Aside from the involved marketing it is the only thing that is "real" about the sport. Did I just say that?
MassBiker
09-21-2007, 01:06 PM
The other competitors made the tour 3 weeks with umpteen mountain top stages and 200+ km stages?
fiamme red
09-21-2007, 01:10 PM
The other competitors made the tour 3 weeks with umpteen mountain top stages and 200+ km stages?So the Tour couldn't even be completed if none of the riders doped?
mjb266
09-21-2007, 01:11 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah...racing schmacing
...let's get down to the real stuff here. Would you guys mind calling me sir mjb266 or your royal mjb266'ness. There's way funnier stuff out there that we can be focusing on and, racing is still fun and fun to watch. Good luck with cross to all who are racing.
Avispa
09-21-2007, 01:12 PM
i used shimano two years ago and liked it.
we all do stuff.
details.
Guilty as charged! I just didn't use the S stuff two years ago... :p
The stuff was great until one of the down tube shifters burst like a fire cracker! Or like a friend would say, burst like Floyd in the TDF!!! :eek: :eek:
A!
fiamme red
09-21-2007, 01:13 PM
...let's get down to the real stuff here. Would you guys mind calling me sir mjb266 or your royal mjb266'ness.Only if you give us your favorite Margarita recipe atmo.
MassBiker
09-21-2007, 01:14 PM
Not as fast as they do now and not fast enough to make people wanna watch it.
:fight:
Avispa
09-21-2007, 01:23 PM
... training and racing at that level is nearly impossible without "help"...
Wow... those were (almost) the same words Fuentes told me after Barcelona! He was just a bit more offensive AND brash....
No wonder I quit and moved on to finish college.
A!
It's interesting that an amateur mountain biker can complete the Great Divide Race unsupported, 2,490 miles with over 200,000 feet of climbing, in less time than the drug aided professsional road bikers take to complete the shorter Tour de France. This years winner of the GDR rode the race in 15 days 4 hours 18 minutes without any support.... no doctors, coaches, mechanics, etc. Pretty impressive when you also consider that he managed to train for the effort while working as a carpenter.
http://jacksonholenewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=1945
Methinks roadies whine too much. :D
It's interesting that an amateur mountain biker can complete the Great Divide Race unsupported, 2,490 miles over 200,000 feet of climbing, in less time than the drug aided professsional road bikers take to complete the shorter Tour de France. This years winner of the GDR rode the race in 15 days 4 hours 18 minutes without any support.... no doctors, coaches, mechanics, etc. Pretty impressive when you also consider that he managed to train for the effort while working as a carpenter.
Methinks roadies whine too much. :D
Wow that really amazing... Now he would only have to do that for about 85 more days to be on par with the amount of racing a euro-pro does. Awesome point gdw :rolleyes:
sg8357
09-21-2007, 02:12 PM
Wow that really amazing... Now he would only have to do that for about 85 more days to be on par with the amount of racing a euro-pro does. Awesome point gdw :rolleyes:
Also note fsrthnu's point about 3 weeks of peak effort for the undoped.
The reason the GDR is clean, no money, no media, no sponsors.
If you mess up in the GDR, you don't get kicked off the team, your kids don't go hungry.
Ever see Chariots of Fire?, those old stick in the mud Brits,
trying to preserve amateur athletics ? They were the bad guys, they lost,
now we have pro sports, ain't life grand ?
Scott G.
swoop
09-21-2007, 02:13 PM
its also clean because there is no testing there.
I heard they do HGH so they can spot the grizzlies quicker in the northern states.
Sir Maldoror
09-21-2007, 03:10 PM
Only if you give us your favorite Margarita recipe atmo.
:no:
Sir Maldoror
rounder
09-21-2007, 09:21 PM
where is the code of honor ? imho don't kiss and tell
cheers
The more Fixed stuff that I read, the more respect I have for his opinion. Go Fixed. cheers.
m_moses
09-22-2007, 08:26 AM
code of honor ?
Keeping silent on this subject doesn't have anything to do with honor. It's about self-interest.
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