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BigMac
07-02-2004, 09:22 AM
Please keep it clean but a little passion for your favorite is always welcome. Favorite darkhorse or feel good hopeful is also welcome.

I can say Jan looks extraordinarily focussed and fit, his team is better organized than in past but in my opinion this years course is ill-suited to his strengths. I suspect we'll see many more attacks in mountains than in recent years coming from all teams in that there are at least 6 riders with a legitimate chance at a GC title. This will further hinder Jan's pursuits for a title. In the end I do think he will finish 2nd (AGAIN!) after a very strong final ITT -- ok, so he's never finished outside top 2 so that's probably a pretty safe bet.

Mayo is a real wildcard to me. He's too young and inexperienced to win against such an experienced field, his team is the weakest among the contenders and he may have peaked too early. I don't see him winning but a podium finish is as likely as a dnf. Either way, he's bound to make the race interesting attacking in the Pyrennes.

Hamilton too is a wildcard. His team is relatively deep, he appears strong, I just don't think he's strong enough in any one discipline to distance himself from the pack.

I like Heras, the person. Unfortunately his TT skills and Team strength are too little for serious contention but he could have HUGE influence on outcome with his many attacks in mountains attempting to overcome large time deficits. I expect he will not lose much time on L'Alpe Duez TT which will further motivate his attacks.

Lance is obviously the man to beat. His attempt at 6 strainght very much mirror Indurain's, only Lance rides with MUCH better team support. He will never be left alone and isolated on steep climbs. He TT's as good as Jan, better than anyone else and he attacks and counters attacks better than Jan in mountains. If he and his team stay healthy, he wins by >2:00.

My darkhorse is Carlos Sastre. Rides on a very talented team without a single defined leader but Riis will turn to Carlos in the mountains for attacks and breakaways, at least one of which will be successful. He's very young and his TT needs to improve but I'm picking him an easy top 5, in fact i like him for 3rd overall.

The feel good has to be Leipheimer. After a stage 1 crash last year, his form looks great. Barring another crash, anoth 8th place or higher finish would be a great acheivement for a really nice young man.

FWIW: The weather here in Liege is a little breezy but mostly damp and drizzly, temps in low 60'sF. The prediction tomorrow calls for partly cloudy skies in AM turning to showers in afternoon, right on time for the Prologue. The course does have a few tight turns, one with traffic paint which could be very slippery. I do hope riders do not get foolish if the roads are indeed wet. You can't win the race at the Prologue....you sure can lose it however. Be well and enjoy what should be the best Tour in several years.

Ride on! :banana: :banana: :banana:

victoryfactory
07-02-2004, 09:29 AM
Lance, Tyler, Jan
in that order

I would have chosen Jan 1st if Vino was riding.

VF, boring, predictable.
If this turns out to be way off, I'll forget about it, If it turns out to
be correct, I won't let you forget about it!

LET THE SHOW BEGIN!

Johny
07-02-2004, 09:33 AM
Police raid...Drugs...Worst moment as a fan of pro cycling ..

Dr. Doofus
07-02-2004, 09:36 AM
men being treated like dogs...rebadged bikes...crass commercialism...hypocritical hand-wringing and finger-pointing...oh yeah, and somebody wins each day

jeffg
07-02-2004, 09:41 AM
nice to see you are back! Fully recovered and getting back to 15,000 miles this year, I hope! You missed a real nice Terrible Two this year (very mild weather), but I know it's not a DC you particularly like ...

As for Tour predictions, mine are banal. Lance by a nose, followed by Ullrich and Hamilton. Two americans on the podium for the first time. I think Lance will be able to put time into Ullrich again in the mountains and limit his TT losses. As for Tyler, I think he looks on form to win; however, a certain amount of luck is involved in any TdF victory, and lady luck has not been kind to Tyler thus far. The wild card in my book is Mayo ... if he can hold his form at the Dauphine for three weeks, watch out! :banana: :banana: :banana:

Len J
07-02-2004, 09:46 AM
1.) Hamilton
2.) Ullrich
3.) Armstrong
4.) Heras
5.) Mayo
6.) Leipheimer

I think Age and an untimely mechanical (Which he hasn't had in 5 years) will catch Lance.

Hamiltons's team trumps Ullrich's. They mirror each other in the mountains, with Hamilton gaining time, gives time back in the TT's (but not much) margin of victory ends up very small with Tyler losing time in the final TT but having enough time to win the overall.

Mayo's team let's him down.....and he fades in the last TT.

Heras is there until the last TT where he loses the podium spot to Armstrong with a champion's final effort.

At this point it's as good as any other guess.

Len

victoryfactory
07-02-2004, 09:49 AM
Police raid...Drugs...Worst moment as a fan of pro cycling ..

Oh yeah, I forgot about that drug stuff for a minute.
damn
VF

Sandy
07-02-2004, 10:08 AM
Your analysis, per usual is very well done. But I feel hurt, terrribly hurt. Perhaps I won't finish in the top 3. perhaps I won't finish in the top 100. Perhaps I won't finish at all. But you could have at least mentioned me. Where am I going to get the inspiration to even consider trying to win the Tour?

Snail Serotta Sandy

Sandy
07-02-2004, 10:28 AM
1.Ulrich
2.Armstrong
3.Hamilton
4.Mayo

shaq-d
07-02-2004, 10:45 AM
1. armstrong
2. ullrich
3. mayo

mayo won't TT as well as the other two.

hamilton won't even podium, as per history.

sd

Elefantino
07-02-2004, 11:06 AM
After much research and crystal-ball gazing, Mike's picks are:

1. Hamilton.
2. Armstrong.
3. Basso.
4. Ullrich.
5. Mayo.
6. Heras
7. Mancebo
8. Leipheimer
9. Moreau.
10. Bettini.

I really think the loss of Vino and Salvodelli and not picking Evans weakens T-Mo"bile." I don't think Mayo is strong enough to win a three-week tour yet. Heras has a great team for the Vuelta but not the Tour. I think Basso has been a sleeper all spring and has the best overall team again, despite the loss of Jaksche. Man"they"bo will prove a pain in the mountains.

And as for Lance and Tyler ... they are really interchangeable, and I hope that neither crashes or has bad luck. If either of them wins, I will be happy.

By the way, if anyone wants to join me in picking 1-through-10, I will donate a 2003 TdF souvenir to the pool. I have a ton of them left ... keychains, pens, hats.

Have at it.

Only 23 hours left until OLN. I'm so excited, I'm going out to ride at lunch. Wearing polka-dots.

:banana:

Mike

Climb01742
07-02-2004, 11:24 AM
my heart won't let my head pick anyone but lance. i can't even create one ounce objectivity. lance in yellow, followed by tyler, jan, and iban.

djg
07-02-2004, 11:24 AM
overall, I'd say that Big Mac's discussion is pretty darn reasonable. Jan, Hamilton, and Mayo are all contenders for the GC and may well end up 2, 3, and 4, for reasons already posted. Obviously, anybody--especially Hamilton--can have a bad crash or other mishap. I also like Levi as a feel-good pick--pretty good form this year and a decent GC would be nice to see.

OldDog
07-02-2004, 11:26 AM
1. Sandy
2. or Sandy
3. or Sandy

:banana: :banana: :banana:

Tom
07-03-2004, 06:15 AM
1,2. Box the Hamilton/Ullrich quinella
3. The Field, not Armstrong (A dark horse arrivee.)
4. Armstrong

I believe that Armstrong is going to burn up late and not quite have the sustain necessary.

pbbob
07-03-2004, 01:20 PM
here are the odds as of 2 july at the paris las vegas sport book. and no I didn't bet any $ not after seeing some guy lose the equivalent of 3 1/2 ottrots in 15 min. of 21.
lance 1/3
ullrich 2/1
hamilton 4/1 he was 7/1 the week before
beloki 12/1
basso 25/1 moreau 25/1
zulbedia 30/1 mayo 10/1 he was 25/1 the week before
heras 18/1
simoni 40/1
menchov 45/1 leipheimer 35/1 mancebo 40/1 botero 60/1 sastre 65/1 totschnig 85/1
all others 12/1
I don't think anyone can hold the mayo this year and those that bet on him at 25/1 got a great deal.

Dr. Doofus
07-03-2004, 01:46 PM
Iban Mayo will not win the Tour.

Too weak in the TT, and he's not *that* explosive of a climber. He'll win a stage, but I just don't see him winning the Tour as long as Armstrong and Ulrich are active....

froze
07-03-2004, 11:33 PM
Here's my 2 cents...and believe me that's all it's worth! But I think Hamilton will take 1st, followed by Heras for 2nd, then Armstrong in 3rd followed by Ullrich. So I kind of see the same way as Tom. Some of you are so Armstrong ga ga that you can't see correctly. But then maybe I'm so not ga ga that I'm not seeing right!

jerk
07-03-2004, 11:35 PM
armstrong is going to win by the largest margin he has ever won by. ullrich will win the alpe d'huez time trial and tyler wil either finish 8th or crash out. boonen will win the green jersey and armstrong will take the dots.

shinomaster
07-04-2004, 12:29 AM
Bobby Julich in the top 10.

Lance
Jan
Tyler

shaq-d
07-04-2004, 01:12 AM
Here's my 2 cents...and believe me that's all it's worth! But I think Hamilton will take 1st, followed by Heras for 2nd, then Armstrong in 3rd followed by Ullrich. So I kind of see the same way as Tom. Some of you are so Armstrong ga ga that you can't see correctly. But then maybe I'm so not ga ga that I'm not seeing right!

what the jerk said. tyler won't even podium. never has, never will. i still have no idea why he got so much press pre-tour.

sd

Fieldy
07-04-2004, 02:36 AM
Hi!
iīm new in this forum and íīm from germany. please excuse my bad english!
i donīt mind who wins the tour, as long as it isnīt ullrich.
in my opinion, lance is the man to beat.

Larry
07-04-2004, 05:49 AM
The Posties still have the best and most dedicated team.
Therefore:

First- Armstrong (with a more comfortable margin this year)

Second- Ullrich (does not have the mental edge to topple Lance)

Third- Hamilton (he will again ride brilliantly)