Does anyone here read Japanese?

[shinomaster]

What does it say?

[swoop]

as i read it: "made in usa".

[Archibald]

"Archi-san is a stud!"

[shinomaster]

Why can't you two clowns be serious for once. The ido tea bowl contained therein could be of great value.

[gasman]

Why can't you two clowns be serious for once.The ido tea bowl contained therein could be of great value.

Why would you expect anything else on this forum ? :rolleyes:

Most of us barely speak and write English. :p

[Archibald]

Why can't you two clowns be serious for once. The ido tea bowl contained therein could be of great value.
I was being serious.

[shinomaster]

Why would you expect anything else on this forum ? :rolleyes:

Most of us barely speak and write English. :p

But you are a Doctor! You must know something! Like Latin!!!

Archi..hush. Or I'll make another unflattering drawing of you as a clown, and you wont be holding a bomb this time.

[slowgoing]

"This side up"

[RIHans]

Please translate...Pull the lovely yellow strings.

[shinomaster]

Please translate...Pull the lovely yellow strings.


Sorry the pix are crummy. I need a tripod.

[Johny]

Why can't you two clowns be serious for once. The ido tea bowl contained therein could be of great value.

They are Chinese that are used in Japanese.

The first one on the right is "flower".
The two characters next to "flower" are "tea" (up) and "bowl" (down).

The two characters on the left are the signature of the artist, meaning "teaching" (up) and "way" (down) -- the way of teaching.

I may be wrong... :rolleyes:

[RIHans]

Nice rice bowl...or ...err???
Just kidding I heart Constantin Brancusi...MOMA..IMHO

[shinomaster]

They are Chinese that are used in Japanese.

The first one on the right is "flower".
The two characters next to "flower" are "tea" (up) and "bowl" (down).

The two characters on the left are the signature of the artist, meaning "teaching" (up) and "way" (down) -- the way of teaching.

I may be wrong... :rolleyes:

I'm sure you are correct. The right side usually tells the contents. The left is the signature and stamp of the maker. I wonder who made it and if this bowl actually belongs in this box. This type of box with the fancy dovetails and silk ribbon are more expensive and usually found with high end exhibiton works. I bought it from a seller in the U.K. who didn't know what it was, so it could be anything. If it's from an estate it's quite possible the boxes got mixed up.

[RIHans]

The Pix are nice and I know why I love sculpture.More!!

[sailorboy]

Fo real tho, Japanese pattery is da bomb...

[stevep]

i thk it says...
" buy more bike shiit, its winter and oil is expensive..."

but you should also search for alternative interpretations.

[Serpico]

Shino is a woman's name in Japanese :)

can't read much Kanji, but I can tell you that

[Kirk Pacenti]

Sorry the pix are crummy. I need a tripod.


Shino,

Why you shouldn't have... When you said you wanted to trade some tea bowls for some lugs, I never expected anything like this! :p

fwiw, I know a few guys in Japan who might be willing to translate this for you. If you need me to ask them just email me.

Enjoy!

[dash]

i'm sorry i cannot help with the translation but i am struck by how FINELY made is the packaging...

[ken]

You've got it right. On the right, it says "teacup", on the left is the first name of the guy who made it. My guess is that the guy's name is Kyodo Hirano. "Kyodo" is what is written on the box, and is his first name.

Here's what the guy looks like... along with some of his work. There's one that looks just like yours.

http://www.c-able.ne.jp/~totozan/page014.html

Enjoy your fine piece of art.

Ken

[Birddog]

This type of box with the fancy dovetails
Shino, just for the record, although that's some very nice joinery, those don't appear to be dovetails. It looks like some sort of lap joint with pins. Very, very well executed however.

Birddog

[shinomaster]

You've got it right. On the right, it says "teacup", on the left is the first name of the guy who made it. My guess is that the guy's name is Kyodo Hirano. "Kyodo" is what is written on the box, and is his first name.

Here's what the guy looks like... along with some of his work. There's one that looks just like yours.

http://www.c-able.ne.jp/~totozan/page014.html

Enjoy your fine piece of art.

Ken

Wow are you serious? That is a great link...I love old dudes that make cool stuff.

[shinomaster]

Shino is a woman's name in Japanese :)

can't read much Kanji, but I can tell you that

Every type of japanese pottery,and potter is also a "sexy Pornstar" when You google it, or look on ebay. Shino, Oribe, Hamada....

[BumbleBeeDave]

I am bewildered. And keep in mind, I am NOT trying to give you a hard time. But to my admittedly untrained eye, this bowl does not seem to be as finely crafted as the box it came in. The glazing is not uniform, and the bottom of the bowl is so crooked so as to not allow it to sit stable on a flat surface. Overall it looks like something that could have been made in freshman pottery class at my daughter's high school.

Are there fine points, philosophically or artistically, that I am missing? Are the seeming imperfections part of the craftsmanship? Are they perhaps what makes it a unique, never-to-be-duplicated piece? I really am curious--not trying to be an @ss!

Oh, and BTW, the writing on the box REALLY says "This box contains Sandy-San's Ottrott after being run over by Army tank." ;)

BBD

[AgilisMerlin]

nice pottery.


AMERLIn

[shinomaster]

I am bewildered. Are there fine points, philosophically or artistically, that I am missing? Are the seeming imperfections part of the craftsmanship? Are they perhaps what makes it a unique, never-to-be-duplicated piece?


BBD

Yes. It's supposed to look like a Korean rice bowl that a peasant would have used in the 1500's.

[shinomaster]

Dave...
http://www.e-yakimono.net/guide/html/hagi.html

[slowgoing]

I am bewildered. And keep in mind, I am NOT trying to give you a hard time. But to my admittedly untrained eye, this bowl does not seem to be as finely crafted as the box it came in. The glazing is not uniform, and the bottom of the bowl is so crooked so as to not allow it to sit stable on a flat surface. Overall it looks like something that could have been made in freshman pottery class at my daughter's high school.

Are there fine points, philosophically or artistically, that I am missing? Are the seeming imperfections part of the craftsmanship? Are they perhaps what makes it a unique, never-to-be-duplicated piece? I really am curious--not trying to be an @ss!

BBD

+1.

I like the box better than its contents.

[atmo]

Are there fine points, philosophically or artistically, that I am missing? Are the seeming imperfections part of the craftsmanship? Are they perhaps what makes it a unique, never-to-be-duplicated piece? I really am curious--not trying to be an @ss!

BBD

are you mirroring the meivici frame weight thread atmo?

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . I just really was curious. I guess Japanese pottery is no different from other art forms. Sometimes the imperfections serve to add to the artistic and/or philosophical value of the piece. Probably no different than the extra future added value to that frame where you accidentally put one of the downtube decals on upside down. ;)

Not that that would EVER happen, of course! :rolleyes:

BBD . . . student in art appreciation

[Archibald]

. . . I just really was curious. I guess Japanese pottery is no different from other art forms. Sometimes the imperfections serve to add to the artistic and/or philosophical value of the piece. Probably no different than the extra future added value to that frame where you accidentally put one of the downtube decals on upside down. ;)

Not that that would EVER happen, of course! :rolleyes:

BBD . . . student in art appreciation

JACK (V.O.) I would flip through catalogs and wonder "what kind of dining set defines me as a person?" I had it all. Even the glass dishes with tiny bubbles and imperfections, proof they were crafted by the honest, simple, hard-working indigenous peoples of wherever.

http://www.fightclubquote.com/images/fight-club-jack1.jpg

[manet]

. . . I just really was curious. I guess Japanese pottery is no different from other art forms. Sometimes the imperfections serve to add to the artistic and/or philosophical value of the piece. Probably no different than the extra future added value to that frame where you accidentally put one of the downtube decals on upside down. ;)

Not that that would EVER happen, of course! :rolleyes:

BBD . . . student in art appreciation

ahhh... the twisted bra strap

[Serpico]

dave, did you see sailorboy's post? do you like iced oatmeal cookies? you can like it for whatever reason you want. if you don't like, that's okay too. but maybe you like cookies.

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=317212&postcount=15




. . . I just really was curious. I guess Japanese pottery is no different from other art forms. Sometimes the imperfections serve to add to the artistic and/or philosophical value of the piece. Probably no different than the extra future added value to that frame where you accidentally put one of the downtube decals on upside down. ;)

Not that that would EVER happen, of course! :rolleyes:

BBD . . . student in art appreciation

[ejh]

campy is best

[Tom]

. . . I just really was curious. I guess Japanese pottery is no different from other art forms. Sometimes the imperfections serve to add to the artistic and/or philosophical value of the piece. Probably no different than the extra future added value to that frame where you accidentally put one of the downtube decals on upside down. ;)

Not that that would EVER happen, of course! :rolleyes:

BBD . . . student in art appreciation

I think the deal is that the person that made it could, in his sleep, make coffee cups that look just like the ones you see at the 99 Diner. Every one precisely the same, every one symmetrical and smooth. This bowl didn't wind up like that by accident. Now, if I made it and it didn't blow up in the kiln and it came out like that, it'd be a complete accident. But for the guy that made it, it all was thought out and it was no accident. That's the art. Or part of it. Then we have to show up with our baggage and that's the other part of the art.

[Ginger]

. . . I just really was curious. I guess Japanese pottery is no different from other art forms. Sometimes the imperfections serve to add to the artistic and/or philosophical value of the piece.

Trust that this is not the only japanese pottery that is considered "art" Dave. Different schools, different looks, different standards of imperfection/perfection.

[shinomaster]

:banana:

[deechee]

[QUOTE=BumbleBeeDave
Are there fine points, philosophically or artistically, that I am missing?
BBD[/QUOTE]

This is a traditional tea-cermony cup. The cermony itself comes from Zen-Buddhist background so the history and closeness to nature is as much a factor as to why the bowl is so treasured.

In a traditional cermony (from what I attended), it takes a loooong time (30mins? an hour?) of sitting on your knees (watching the preparation) to get to have 3 sips of the tea. Also, when there are multiple people, most people get their own individual bowl (so I guess the more unique, the better) and I think you're supposed to "observe" the bowl at some point. Then the bowl is promptly washed and put away. Its definitely not about practicality.

I like these kinds of bowls (have some cheaper ones at home) but maybe urushi work is more up your alley :)

[shinomaster]

This is a traditional tea-cermony cup. The cermony itself comes from Zen-Buddhist background so the history and closeness to nature is as much a factor as to why the bowl is so treasured.

In a traditional cermony (from what I attended), it takes a loooong time (30mins? an hour?) of sitting on your knees (watching the preparation) to get to have 3 sips of the tea. Also, when there are multiple people, most people get their own individual bowl (so I guess the more unique, the better) and I think you're supposed to "observe" the bowl at some point. Then the bowl is promptly washed and put away. Its definitely not about practicality.

I like these kinds of bowls (have some cheaper ones at home) but maybe urushi work is more up your alley :)

What kind of work is that? The red is confusing...Is it kyo ware?

[deechee]

oh I just googled "urushi" and ran into that...
http://www.yufuku.net/e/shin/html/suzuki-mutsumi.html

Japanese lacquer. I just have cheap plastic bowls that look like they're lacquered haha.

[manet]

poisonous or frosted deliciousness

[shinomaster]

poisonous or frosted deliciousness

Frosted cookie.

[shinomaster]

They make pretty bowls too...I think these must be for girls.