Campagnolo 10s triple setup: derailleur compatibility

[Gsinill]

Sorry, if this is buried somewhere here on the forum but hard to search for this particular configuration.

Athena 11 triple (30/39/52) crank + Paul 10s Campagnolo Thumbies + 13-29 10s cassette with 46cm chain stay.
Will any Campagnolo 10s FD and any Campagnolo 10s short cage RD do?

Thanks!

[jtakeda]

A campy 10 sp triple FD would work best with that set up because of the little bump on the FD.

I think you’re going to need a longer cage for that chain wrap though

[melonyogloo]

I am using a 2001 Centaur ultrashift, double front derailleur and 2007 Veloce mid cage for my 10 speed triple setup. 105 tripe crank (50/39/30) with 10 speed 13-26 cassette. 2007 Record short cage does not work.

[merckx]

40 tooth chain wrap will require a long cage.

[Ralph]

11-29 10's cassette?

[Mark McM]

A double front derailleur won't have enough travel for the triple crank, so you'll need a triple front derailleur; only a long cage derailleur has enough capacity for that 40 tooth drivetrain differential.

[paredown]

I am using a 2001 Centaur ultrashift, double front derailleur and 2007 Veloce mid cage for my 10 speed triple setup. 105 tripe crank (50/39/30) with 10 speed 13-26 cassette. 2007 Record short cage does not work.

This is about where I am as well--Centaur 50-40-30 front with a Centaur 10 midcage and 13-26 or 12-26. I think you can push it a little from there to may a 13-29, but any more and you would need a long cage...

My assumption is that with a 53-39-30 (or was it 52-40-30?--just sold my last one and already forget) you would need a long cage rear as well...

[paredown]

A double front derailleur won't have enough travel for the triple crank, so you'll need a triple front derailleur; only a long cage derailleur has enough capacity for that 40 tooth drivetrain differential.
AFAIK, all the Campy 10 FDs have the same travel--and the shifters are all triple compatible, up to the shift redesign on Centaur/Veloce 'Ultrashift' with the new style levers/hoods.

What the triple 10 front offered was a deeper cage so that you get better shifting off the small on the front--although I'm pretty sure Old Potatoe has said that a regular 10 will work as well. (Personally I have not tried it--both of mine have the Centaur 10 triple front with the deeper cage.)

I don't know what you get when you throw Campy 11 into the mix though....

[Gsinill]

11-29 10's cassette?

I stand corrected. That was an 11s cassette in my stash.
Make that 13-29 10s cassette.

(You guys are good 😏)

[Mark McM]

AFAIK, all the Campy 10 FDs have the same travel--and the shifters are all triple compatible, up to the shift redesign on Centaur/Veloce 'Ultrashift' with the new style levers/hoods.

That is incorrect - 10spd triple derailleur have longer parallelogram arms, so they have more lateral travel (for a given cable pull).

I tried using a double derailleur on a triple chainring, but the shifter did not have enough cable travel to swing the derailleur far enough to go from the inner to outer chainring. A triple derailleur solved that problem, because it swings more for the same cable travel.

[Gsinill]

That is incorrect - 10spd triple derailleur have longer parallelogram arms, so they have more lateral travel (for a given cable pull).

I tried using a double derailleur on a triple chainring, but the shifter did not have enough cable travel to swing the derailleur far enough to go from the inner to outer chainring. A triple derailleur solved that problem, because it swings more for the same cable travel.

While a Campagnolo FD would be ideal, there is flexibility since the barend shifters I use with the thumbies is not indexed.
Might use an IRD Alpina instead...

[Mark McM]

I stand corrected. That was an 11s cassette in my stash.
Make that 13-29 10s cassette.

(You guys are good 😏)

So that would mean a derailleur capacity of 38 teeth. A 10spd short cage is rated at 33 teeth, a medium cage is rated at 37 teeth, and a long cage at 40 teeth. Derailleur ratings are usually a bit conservative, so you might be able to stretch a medium cage to work (chain length will be critical!), but a long cage would still be recommended, and a short cage definitely won't work.

[Gsinill]

So that would mean a derailleur capacity of 38 teeth. A 10spd short cage is rated at 33 teeth, a medium cage is rated at 37 teeth, and a long cage at 40 teeth. Derailleur ratings are usually a bit conservative, so you might be able to stretch a medium cage to work (chain length will be critical!), but a long cage would still be recommended, and a short cage definitely won't work.

Yeah, pretty much unobtainium, at least in silver :(
Might just give up on the whole Campagnolo idea for this one...

[oliver1850]

Happy to send you one of several triple FD options free of charge. I didn't read the whole thread but probably have some RD options as well. Don't hesitate to PM me, I will get back to you eventually.

[oldpotatoe]

Sorry, if this is buried somewhere here on the forum but hard to search for this particular configuration.

Athena 11 triple (30/39/52) crank + Paul 10s Campagnolo Thumbies + 13-29 10s cassette with 46cm chain stay.
Will any Campagnolo 10s FD and any Campagnolo 10s short cage RD do?

Thanks!

Any triple front der, even 'S' brand..but Campag best..even Comp, triple.
Gonna need a medium/ling cage rear der to have enough chain length to safely go big-big

[sg8357]

I have a Athena 11s Triple braze on mech, it has about 500 miles on it.

PM if interested.

[Gsinill]

Happy to send you one of several triple FD options free of charge. I didn't read the whole thread but probably have some RD options as well. Don't hesitate to PM me, I will get back to you eventually.

Thanks, PM sent!