26.0 Road Bars w More Reach

[Nomadmax]

I'm currently running these handlebars in my fleet:

Soma Hwy One 130D/75R 26.0 clamp
Nitto M151 128D/78R 26.0 clamp

I'd like to try out some bars with more reach, the Nitto M176 @ 130D/110R.

https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-mod-176-handlebar/drop_handlebar_nitto_mod176_870/product

The question(s) I have is just about everywhere I look it mentions "flare" but I don't know where the "flare" is. I'm guessing down in the drops but it could be that they're flared back from the center. The other thing is if they'll work well with Ergo shifters and not wind up positioned as they would on older Cinelli bars. There also seems to be some conflicting info on the true reach.

If anybody has any intel on this or know of a 26.0 clamp bar that have a reach in the 90 to 100 range that'd be great too.

[rccardr]

Flare is on the top portion of the bar. These look like Noodles without the extra bend on the top bar from the stem to the beginning of the drop.

[ColonelJLloyd]

The word is flare. It is not the top portion of the bar. In this context it usually refers to the width at the end of the bar being wider than the width at the tops/hoods. Imagine taking a drop bar that has the tops and drops line up with a vertical line perpendicular to the ground. Then imagine grabbing the end and bending it out and toward the front of the bike. That is flare. If you grabbed the drop and bent it out and up aiming to keep it in parallel to the top that is often referred to as outsweep, I think. But, this is probably often just referred to as flare.

Having no flare can often result in the tops rubbing/interfering with your forearms while riding in the drops.

Many/most older model Nitto drop bars have reach in the 110-120mm range. If you find a bar that looks attractive to you and it's got a 25.4mm bar clamp area there are shims that work well. I have used many Nitto models over the years. Models 132a, 135, 177 are more "round" and play very well with Ergos. Model 176 is "classic" and Cinelli-esque. Ergos will obviously work, but the abrupt transition from bar to lever is not my preference.

[Nomadmax]

The word is flare. It is not the top portion of the bar. In this context it usually refers to the width at the drops being wider than the width at the tops/hoods. Imagine taking a drop bar that has the tops and drops line up with a vertical line perpendicular to the ground. Then imagine grabbing the drops and bending them out and up a bit.


Thanks

[choke]

Here's an extreme example of flare on handlebars.

http://scapin.ciocctoo.com/sc6.jpg

[OtayBW]

If you can find one (they're not made anymore), the Modolo Curvissima has a forward sweep at the tops. I have these on 2 bikes and really like them.

[jtbadge]

Sim-Works Co-Misirlou is 85 reach/140 drop.

https://sim.works/collections/handle-bars-simworks-by-nitto/products/co-misirlou-bar?variant=23501980803

[bicycletricycle]

I have some nitto 176 bars and they don't have and flare

[Nomadmax]

I have some nitto 176 bars and they don't have and flare

Do you have brifters/Ergo on them?

BTW I appreciate all the replies/suggestions so far.

[fijichf]

Good explanation of some Nitto bars that address your request.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaD2apK6asw

[robt57]

Note: that some flare above the brake lever mounting points, thus tilting the levers themselves. Other 'flare' after that bend so the levers stay on a more normal plane. I did midges for a while and did not care for the flare above tilting the lever personally.

So I'd suggest if possible you decide before if you may or may not wanna try that before your bars become a spare part after trying them. ;)

It may be moot if you are looking for longer reach bars, I think flared bars tend to not have much reach generally...

I have and like the Nitto Rando on my SS. Narrow tops, good flares, quite long reach on a few of the Nitto Rando models...

[bicycletricycle]

I have, Want some pics with some campy 10 levers mocked up on them? The drop are basically perpendicular to the tops. They are very old school handlebars, In a good way IMHO.

Do you have brifters/Ergo on them?

BTW I appreciate all the replies/suggestions so far.

[bicycletricycle]

I took some photos for OP of these bars, thought I might share them here.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49967725168_b48240f572_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2j8tDQU)176 bars.001 (https://flic.kr/p/2j8tDQU) by bicycletricycle666 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24583601@N08/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49968503762_b6b94b7efd_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2j8xDhW)176 bars.002 (https://flic.kr/p/2j8xDhW) by bicycletricycle666 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24583601@N08/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49967724948_4cbfdbe071_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2j8tDM7)176 bars.003 (https://flic.kr/p/2j8tDM7) by bicycletricycle666 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24583601@N08/), on Flickr

[kingpin75s]

The word is flare. It is not the top portion of the bar. In this context it usually refers to the width at the end of the bar being wider than the width at the tops/hoods. Imagine taking a drop bar that has the tops and drops line up with a vertical line perpendicular to the ground. Then imagine grabbing the end and bending it out and toward the front of the bike. That is flare. If you grabbed the drop and bent it out and up aiming to keep it in parallel to the top that is often referred to as outsweep, I think. But, this is probably often just referred to as flare.


Both terms are not used often or consistently enough so it can be confusing.

As you have stated there is both flare and outsweep, but I think you just have them backwards. That said, I am sure outsweep has been marketed as flare so it is, as stated, confusing.

This link shows good illustrations:

https://bikepacking.com/index/gravel-bars/

My favorite bar is the Cowbell and it has 12 degrees of flare and 12 degrees of outsweep.

Outsweep is very important to me, flare not as much.

[ColonelJLloyd]

^Definitely in agreement on the terms and my post above exchanged them incorrectly (that second cup of coffee is imperative).

My preference is different than yours, though. Flare (i.e. Maes parallel, Ritchey Evomax, etc) is a requirement for me, but outsweep (Cowchipper, Midge*) are not for me. Then again, I don't own a Fargo or Cutthroat type bike and I might like them on a bike like that.

It seems 12 degree flare suits me best.

*these style bars often have very short reach where not much of a "ramps" position really exits.

[truth]

Rene Herse has some nice bars with more reach than is in fashion these days. I believe the parallel bars have little to no flare while the rando bars have a bit of flare.

Edit: They're 25.4 clamp but easy to shim to 26

[bicycletricycle]

the parallel bars have a little flare

Rene Herse has some nice bars with more reach than is in fashion these days. I believe the parallel bars have little to no flare while the rando bars have a bit of flare.

Edit: They're 25.4 clamp but easy to shim to 26

[rccardr]

Dadgum auto correct. As I said, however.

[ColonelJLloyd]

the parallel bars have a little flare

Yeah. Probably close to 12 degrees.

The rando bars have about the same degree of flare, but then the bar is also bent upward closer to the stem.

[Nomadmax]

Paceline members can be counted on for everything; maybe even furnace repair ;)

The replies definitely put me on the right track. BicycleTricycle's photos/PDF really did the trick (he was also kind enough to e-mail it to me). I'm going to order a set of 176's and mount them up.

I did get a PM regarding the Soma Hwy Ones and Nitto M151s. I don't have a photo hosting site to post pics of the differences between the two but I'd be happy to email photos of my bikes with both of them mounted. Essentially, the dropped portion of the Highway Ones extend further back toward the rider than the M151s.

There is the dimensional difference of 2mm less drop and 3mm more reach on the 151s. Apart from that, they both pretty much feel the same. Personally, I feel the sleeved Nitto 151 looks a little more "vintage" with the center sleeve and shorter drop portion.

Thanks to all

[pdmtong]

Is there a single place where the various model Nitto bars are described ?

Rivendell says the noodle is model 177. It has a slight back sweep (tops angle slightly rearward) and 4d flare ( ends wider than hoods)

Model 176 looks similar but I can’t figure out the difference

I set my noodle up with the ends parallel to the ground so there is a down ramp from the tops to the hoods. That effectively gives me two bar drop positions. My preference for the hoods and probably 1cm more upright for the tops

If you want a flat smooth transition from top to hood the end has to be angled so it’s pointing towards the rear dropout.

I really like the shaping and ovalized top that a modern bar can provide. Never liked the interface between my non padded gloves and a classic bar. Recently solved this with some slightly thicker bar tape. Fizik bond cush.

[Dino Suegiù]

I took some photos for OP of these bars, thought I might share them here.

The topic of this thread is no longer in my wheelhouse at all, in fact have been selling the last of my 26.0 bits, but I would like to state that the photo-montage above put together by bicycletricycle is fantastic, really clear, I'm sure very helpful, with a lot of considerate effort behind it.

Bravo. https://forums.thepaceline.net/images/icons/icon14.gif