My Ride into South Minneapolis This Morning

[onekgguy]

I rode into South Minneapolis this morning to pay homage to George Floyd who died there beneath the knee of a Minneapolis poice officer. It was a sobering experience and an emotional one as well.

Video from my ride (https://youtu.be/5u1H3khJzGE)

Kevin g

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49946868533_4cc53538b1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2j6CKTK)
Grafiti (https://flic.kr/p/2j6CKTK) by Kevin Gilmore (https://www.flickr.com/photos/onekgguy/), on Flickr

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Minneapolis Police Dept Precinct 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2j6CL7R) by Kevin Gilmore (https://www.flickr.com/photos/onekgguy/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49946869593_809a01c582_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2j6CLd2)Remnants of AutoZone store (https://flic.kr/p/2j6CLd2) by Kevin Gilmore (https://www.flickr.com/photos/onekgguy/), on Flickr

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Where George Floyd was killed (https://flic.kr/p/2j6Fkqo) by Kevin Gilmore (https://www.flickr.com/photos/onekgguy/), on Flickr

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Neighborhood Priest (https://flic.kr/p/2j6CL1J) by Kevin Gilmore (https://www.flickr.com/photos/onekgguy/), on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49947372491_c5cf6e878b_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2j6FkGF)Mural of George Floyd (https://flic.kr/p/2j6FkGF) by Kevin Gilmore (https://www.flickr.com/photos/onekgguy/), on Flickr

[fogrider]

This country has a long ways to go.

[Waldo62]

onekgguy, thank you for sharing. Important stuff.

[mtechnica]

Thanks for posting. Ballsy ride not gonna lie. Be safe.

[Blue Jays]

Good luck to all our Paceline friends in Minneapolis / Saint Paul. Please stay safe.
Curt Goodrich also has his framebuilding workshop there. Hopeful for him, too.

[Dino Suegiù]

I rode into South Minneapolis this morning to pay homage to George Floyd who died there beneath the knee of a Minneapolis police officer. It was a sobering experience and an emotional one as well.

Kevin g
Thank you for posting this, onekgguy. Yours is a wonderful and humane gesture (there irl and here virtually)
Stay safe, take care.

Also any members in Louisville, Phoenix, Los Angeles, etc....

Ahmaud Arbery + George Floyd: RIP, may your deaths not be simply two more deaths in vain.

[Dino Suegiù]

This country has a long ways to go.

Indeed, and backwards is the wrong direction.
What is happening is truly horrifying.

[oldpotatoe]

This country has a long ways to go.

It does and made worse by what's going on(virus)..people are scared and angry. Also made worse by a tweet I heard about concerning treatment of protesters..really vile, but not surprising at all(Twitter violation awarded....:))

I saw another about a 'few bad apples'(Police Union)..but there are a few of these, it seems, in every police department, everywhere..and they hold the 'ultimate authority', with reference to what I saw on TV not 3 weeks ago..

[Elefantino]

Thanks, onekguy. From those of us watching from afar, we ache for Minneapolis.

I lived through 1968 and don't want to see this year become its descendant.

[OtayBW]

I am shocked.
I shouldn't be,
but I am.

This is unreal,
but it's not.

This is unacceptable....

[NHAero]

Thank you Kevin.
Beyond understanding...and personally so hard to square with my experience of MSP - my wife is from that area, and I have many dear friends/colleagues there. Have always felt that Minneapolis is the most civil larger city in the US.

The video of Mr. Floyd's murder is the single most horrifying thing I have seen in my life. I realize that it is one in a 400 year history and yet nothing has ever brought it home to me, has penetrated to my core, in such a way.

[trener1]

I am absolutely NOT shocked.
I have been living in a big city all of my life I have seen up close and personal how police behave.
The bad apples argument is B---S! this culture starts at the top and works it's way down to the beat cop.
And if my post offends anyone sorry, but NOT sorry.




I am shocked.
I shouldn't be,
but I am.

This is unreal,
but it's not.

This is unacceptable....

[smellymcfatfats]

The video of Mr. Floyd's murder is the single most horrifying thing I have seen in my life. I realize that it is one in a 400 year history and yet nothing has ever brought it home to me, has penetrated to my core, in such a way.
Thanks for pointing that out. These events aren't new, just recorded.

[mistermo]

Thanks for sharing. Powerful.

In peaceful democratic societies, the majority rules only through willful consent of the minority. In return for their consent, the minority expects protection of their rights. This is the principal this country was built upon. We can do better.

[XXtwindad]

Great “bike journalism.” Thanks for sharing.

[cmg]

Failure of training. It's not about how to overpower someone.

[oldpotatoe]

Failure of training. It's not about how to overpower someone.

Disagree..it's about power and control and total lack of compassion for this hand cuffed guy..I'll bet this isn't the first instance of police brutality by these cops..ah, it's not...
The former Minneapolis police officer seen in a video with his knee on George Floyd's neck had 18 prior complaints filed against him with the Minneapolis Police Department's Internal Affairs, according to the police department.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/minneapolis-officer-complaints-george-floyd/index.html

[OtayBW]

Failure of training. It's not about how to overpower someone.Isn't this a repeat condition?

[R3awak3n]

Disagree..it's about power and control and total lack of compassion for this hand cuffed guy..I'll bet this isn't the first instance of police brutality by these cops..ah, it's not...


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/minneapolis-officer-complaints-george-floyd/index.html


A truer and more accurate thing has never been said.

When there are know problems with someone/a group of people, and nothing is done about it for years then it is not surprising that what happened did indeed happen.

[OtayBW]

I am absolutely NOT shocked.
I have been living in a big city all of my life I have seen up close and personal how police behave.
The bad apples argument is B---S! this culture starts at the top and works it's way down to the beat cop.
And if my post offends anyone sorry, but NOT sorry.
I'm really not sure what you're referring to, but I assume that you think you know/knew exactly what I was thinking in my post. So, good luck with that...

[trener1]

I thought that you were shocked that a cop would brutally murder someone in cold blood in broad daylight.

If I misunderstood you then I stand corrected.

[cinema]

mourning for americas most bike friendly city. thanks for the images. stay safe

[Gsinill]

The same folks that claim they need guns to defend themselves from the government have no issue with the lack of any checks and balances on the microlevel (LEOs) until it involves what many consider murder.

"Yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir" knowing that you lose 100% of the time challenging a PO.

Freest country in the world ;)

[mcteague]

White guys with guns protest stay at home orders and the cops just stand there. Wonder what would happen if black protestors also exercised those 2nd amendment rights? Think the police would act the same?

Tim

[benb]

I'd have been shaking my feet out of the clipless pedals on this ride, but maybe I wouldn't if it was my hometown and I was familiar with the area.

This whole thing is crazy. What blows my mind is how small the transgressions are that lead to these police actions combined with the way they think they have total immunity even when there is a crowd of people shooting videos of the interactions. We've had pervasive smartphones with video capabilities 10 years now and yet there still seem to be people who are oblivious to the fact that any bad act they take part in on a city street is going to get recorded.

The main officer involved had more on his record.. 18 complaints but also involvement in 3 other shootings, one of which was fatal. The fatal one there were a whole bunch of officers shooting and the suspect was shooting back so that's a different story, but he'd done things like respond to a domestic disturbance and shoot one of the partners before.

[NHAero]

I wondered the same when I saw the images of the protesters with long guns inside the Michigan State Capitol building.

White guys with guns protest stay at home orders and the cops just stand there. Wonder what would happen if black protestors also exercised those 2nd amendment rights? Think the police would act the same?

Tim

[Jaybee]

Failure of training. It's not about how to overpower someone.

Failure of humanity and empathy.

[charliedid]

mourning for americas most bike friendly city. thanks for the images. stay safe

I know you didn't mean to be but talking about bikes in this context seems a bit inconsiderate. This has nothing to do with bikes.

Context is everything.

[mistermo]

White guys with guns protest stay at home orders and the cops just stand there. Wonder what would happen if black protestors also exercised those 2nd amendment rights? Think the police would act the same?

Tim

They did. Yesterday. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/28/PDTN/ab4a260d-d8e0-4188-a19c-29eea85ef197-Legally_Armed_3.jpg?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp

[ColonelJLloyd]

Thanks for sharing, onekgguy.

[Mr. Pink]

I'd have been shaking my feet out of the clipless pedals on this ride, but maybe I wouldn't if it was my hometown and I was familiar with the area.

This whole thing is crazy. What blows my mind is how small the transgressions are that lead to these police actions combined with the way they think they have total immunity even when there is a crowd of people shooting videos of the interactions. We've had pervasive smartphones with video capabilities 10 years now and yet there still seem to be people who are oblivious to the fact that any bad act they take part in on a city street is going to get recorded.

The main officer involved had more on his record.. 18 complaints but also involvement in 3 other shootings, one of which was fatal. The fatal one there were a whole bunch of officers shooting and the suspect was shooting back so that's a different story, but he'd done things like respond to a domestic disturbance and shoot one of the partners before.

And, on top of that, all four officers had working bodycams recording POVs. Amazing.

But, patience. Prosecution awaits, hopefully.

[PQJ]

There are no words to adequately describe the sad and sorry state of our country today. It is gut wrenching. Heartrending. Alas, it is nothing new. It has been going on since the beginning. Even before then. Perhaps we have reached the reckoning (again).

"These strategies intensified whenever black people asserted their independence or achieved any measure of success. During Reconstruction, the emergence of black elected officials and entrepreneurs was countered by convict leasing, a scheme in which white policymakers invented offenses used to target black people: vagrancy, loitering, being a group of black people out after dark, seeking employment without a note from a former enslaver....

It’s not just that this history fostered a view of black people as presumptively criminal. It also cultivated a tolerance for employing any level of brutality in response. In 1904, in Mississippi, a black man was accused of shooting a white landowner who had attacked him. A white mob captured him and the woman with him, cut off their ears and fingers, drilled corkscrews into their flesh and then burned them alive — while hundreds of white spectators enjoyed deviled eggs and lemonade. The landowner’s brother, Woods Eastland, presided over the violence; he was later elected district attorney of Scott County, Miss., a position that allowed his son James Eastland, an avowed white supremacist, to serve six terms as a United States senator, becoming president pro tempore from 1972 to 1978....

This appetite for harsh punishment has echoed across the decades. Late in the 20th century, amid protests over civil rights and inequality, a new politics of fear and anger would emerge. Nixon’s war on drugs, mandatory minimum sentences, three-strikes laws, children tried as adults, “broken windows” policing — these policies were not as expressly racialized as the Black Codes, but their implementation has been essentially the same. It is black and brown people who are disproportionately targeted, stopped, suspected, incarcerated and shot by the police....

Hundreds of years after the arrival of enslaved Africans, a presumption of danger and criminality still follows black people everywhere. New language has emerged for the noncrimes that have replaced the Black Codes: driving while black, sleeping while black, sitting in a coffee shop while black. All reflect incidents in which African-Americans were mistreated, assaulted or arrested for conduct that would be ignored if they were white....

The smog created by our history of racial injustice is suffocating and toxic. We are too practiced in ignoring the victimization of any black people tagged as criminal; like Woods Eastland’s crowd, too many Americans are willing spectators to horrifying acts, as long as we’re assured they’re in the interest of maintaining order...."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/prison-industrial-complex-slavery-racism.html?mtrref=www.nytimes.com&assetType=REGIWALL

[jkbrwn]

As a foreigner living here, it's quite astounding to see the police act this way. Of course, I heard about stuff like this when I still lived in England but it was never really front and center. I am heartbroken for the people suffering the consequences of police brutality, truly.

I'm sure most people have see this, but a CNN news team was arrested this morning in MPLS reporting on a police barricade, in a place that the police had told them to stand. No rhyme nor reason. They have since been released.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/minneapolis-protests-omar-jimenez-arrested-newday-vpx.cnn

[onekgguy]

As a foreigner living here, it's quite astounding to see the police act this way. Of course, I heard about stuff like this when I still lived in England but it was never really front and center. I am heartbroken for the people suffering the consequences of police brutality, truly.

I'm sure most people have see this, but a CNN news team was arrested this morning in MPLS reporting on a police barricade, in a place that the police had told them to stand. No rhyme nor reason. They have since been released.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/minneapolis-protests-omar-jimenez-arrested-newday-vpx.cnn

I'd heard about the incident with CNN but this was the first time I've seen the video. I no longer recognize my country—a country I was once proud of. That stopped for me a while ago.

Kevin g

[smellymcfatfats]

There are no words to adequately describe the sad and sorry state of our country today. It is gut wrenching. Heartrending. Alas, it is nothing new. It has been going on since the beginning. Even before then. Perhaps we have reached the reckoning (again).

"These strategies intensified whenever black people asserted their independence or achieved any measure of success. During Reconstruction, the emergence of black elected officials and entrepreneurs was countered by convict leasing, a scheme in which white policymakers invented offenses used to target black people: vagrancy, loitering, being a group of black people out after dark, seeking employment without a note from a former enslaver....

It’s not just that this history fostered a view of black people as presumptively criminal. It also cultivated a tolerance for employing any level of brutality in response. In 1904, in Mississippi, a black man was accused of shooting a white landowner who had attacked him. A white mob captured him and the woman with him, cut off their ears and fingers, drilled corkscrews into their flesh and then burned them alive — while hundreds of white spectators enjoyed deviled eggs and lemonade. The landowner’s brother, Woods Eastland, presided over the violence; he was later elected district attorney of Scott County, Miss., a position that allowed his son James Eastland, an avowed white supremacist, to serve six terms as a United States senator, becoming president pro tempore from 1972 to 1978....

This appetite for harsh punishment has echoed across the decades. Late in the 20th century, amid protests over civil rights and inequality, a new politics of fear and anger would emerge. Nixon’s war on drugs, mandatory minimum sentences, three-strikes laws, children tried as adults, “broken windows” policing — these policies were not as expressly racialized as the Black Codes, but their implementation has been essentially the same. It is black and brown people who are disproportionately targeted, stopped, suspected, incarcerated and shot by the police....

Hundreds of years after the arrival of enslaved Africans, a presumption of danger and criminality still follows black people everywhere. New language has emerged for the noncrimes that have replaced the Black Codes: driving while black, sleeping while black, sitting in a coffee shop while black. All reflect incidents in which African-Americans were mistreated, assaulted or arrested for conduct that would be ignored if they were white....

The smog created by our history of racial injustice is suffocating and toxic. We are too practiced in ignoring the victimization of any black people tagged as criminal; like Woods Eastland’s crowd, too many Americans are willing spectators to horrifying acts, as long as we’re assured they’re in the interest of maintaining order...."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/prison-industrial-complex-slavery-racism.html?mtrref=www.nytimes.com&assetType=REGIWALL
Real talk, great post.

[mcteague]

They did. Yesterday. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/28/PDTN/ab4a260d-d8e0-4188-a19c-29eea85ef197-Legally_Armed_3.jpg?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp

Much smaller group and they stayed outside. And they remained very calm. Back when Reagan was gov of CA a black protest group made a similar display and people freaked out. Soon after, the Republican gov signed much more restrictive gun laws. How times have changed. :rolleyes:

Tim

[theboucher]

Thank you for posting this. I'm just so sad, today especially, about all of this. Again and again people are dying with no recourse, no justice, no nothing.

It is incumbent upon all of us to speak out against injustice, otherwise we are complicit.

[onekgguy]

There are no words to adequately describe the sad and sorry state of our country today. It is gut wrenching. Heartrending. Alas, it is nothing new. It has been going on since the beginning. Even before then. Perhaps we have reached the reckoning (again).

"These strategies intensified whenever black people asserted their independence or achieved any measure of success. During Reconstruction, the emergence of black elected officials and entrepreneurs was countered by convict leasing, a scheme in which white policymakers invented offenses used to target black people: vagrancy, loitering, being a group of black people out after dark, seeking employment without a note from a former enslaver....

It’s not just that this history fostered a view of black people as presumptively criminal. It also cultivated a tolerance for employing any level of brutality in response. In 1904, in Mississippi, a black man was accused of shooting a white landowner who had attacked him. A white mob captured him and the woman with him, cut off their ears and fingers, drilled corkscrews into their flesh and then burned them alive — while hundreds of white spectators enjoyed deviled eggs and lemonade. The landowner’s brother, Woods Eastland, presided over the violence; he was later elected district attorney of Scott County, Miss., a position that allowed his son James Eastland, an avowed white supremacist, to serve six terms as a United States senator, becoming president pro tempore from 1972 to 1978....

This appetite for harsh punishment has echoed across the decades. Late in the 20th century, amid protests over civil rights and inequality, a new politics of fear and anger would emerge. Nixon’s war on drugs, mandatory minimum sentences, three-strikes laws, children tried as adults, “broken windows” policing — these policies were not as expressly racialized as the Black Codes, but their implementation has been essentially the same. It is black and brown people who are disproportionately targeted, stopped, suspected, incarcerated and shot by the police....

Hundreds of years after the arrival of enslaved Africans, a presumption of danger and criminality still follows black people everywhere. New language has emerged for the noncrimes that have replaced the Black Codes: driving while black, sleeping while black, sitting in a coffee shop while black. All reflect incidents in which African-Americans were mistreated, assaulted or arrested for conduct that would be ignored if they were white....

The smog created by our history of racial injustice is suffocating and toxic. We are too practiced in ignoring the victimization of any black people tagged as criminal; like Woods Eastland’s crowd, too many Americans are willing spectators to horrifying acts, as long as we’re assured they’re in the interest of maintaining order...."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/prison-industrial-complex-slavery-racism.html?mtrref=www.nytimes.com&assetType=REGIWALL

I have to share this. Thank you.

Kevin g

[Spdntrxi]

1619 project is a farce and distortion and I dont accept the premise.

[FlashUNC]

1619 project is a farce and distortion and I dont accept the premise.

Bryan Stevenson is the Executive Director of the Equal Justice Initiative. Whether you like the 1619 Project from the Times or not, his perspective on this issue is critical at a time like this.

[onekgguy]

I just want to say a thank you to all of you who expressed their appreciation of the video I posted here. It's much appreciated.

Kevin g

[gomango]

I just want to say a thank you to all of you who expressed their appreciation of the video I posted here. It's much appreciated.

Kevin g

Thanks Kevin. I have a friend that owns a shop within a half mile of the burned 3rd Precinct. She has put years of her life into this business.

I hope it is still there tomorrow morning.

BTW I live in St. Paul. I have been up since 1:30am with the constant sound of sirens and helicopters. We have had over 170 incidents of looting/robbery/arson in STP in two days. The air has been filled with smoke off and on including the gas station that was torched last night two blocks from our house.

I am hopeful for a better night tonight.

[kingpin75s]

I just want to say a thank you to all of you who expressed their appreciation of the video I posted here. It's much appreciated.

Kevin g

Thanks for sharing Kevin.

I am in the Uptown area so the looting portion of all this has been on my doorstep nightly. Most every business in this area has been trashed in the last 48 hours.

There really seems to be three groups out there:
- Concerned protestors and families (located mostly near CUP foods where incident occurred)
- The young, angry and anarchistic (focused around the 3rd precinct area)
- Opportunistic Looters (Roaming Lake St. East to West and looting in well coordinated waves)

My area is seeing mostly the latter. Fortunately they have focused on businesses and I have seen no spill over to the residents. The dozen cars that rolled onto my block 2 nights ago to tear up the commercial corner did not bother any of my neighbors out to ensure our street stayed safe. They came and went freely for hours knowing when to get out and when to come back based on police presence that they clearly had eyes on.

That said, some really dumb 20something white kids tried to loot a business last evening well before dark and got chased by my neighbors. They jumped in their stolen car and whipped around my corner flying down the street until they hit both my neighbors cars and rolled their car on its side right in front of my house. We ran out to see if they were ok as had no backstory yet and they all escaped through the rear passenger window and ran through my yard to escape.

The whole thing is just sad in every way and hopefully charges brought today will stop our city from burning. The weekend is almost here and we will see what it brings.

[benb]

Well the officer has been arrested and charged now so hopefully the city calms down.

[BobbyJones]

They did. Yesterday. https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/28/PDTN/ab4a260d-d8e0-4188-a19c-29eea85ef197-Legally_Armed_3.jpg?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp


It does go a little deeper than just "showing up" armed. I found Sarah Anthony's feelings about intimidation a little more thoughtful than just a 2nd amendment issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest

[Spdntrxi]

Well the officer has been arrested and charged now so hopefully the city calms down.


hope so... but if it take riots and looting to get this done it sends the wrong message.

[PQJ]

I have to share this. Thank you.

Kevin g

You're welcome. It is part of a series of essays dubbed the 1619 Project. The essays are exceptionally well written and illuminating. The thesis is - not surprisingly - controversial. Needless to say, certain outlets got their panties all wadded up over it (see, eg, https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-tells-a-false-story-about-capitalism-too-11588956387 and https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/1619-project-argues-for-radical-anti-american-view-of-history/), and that is naturally reflected in some of the downstream commentary from our fellow plebs. For a more balanced view of the pro and con, see: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians-clash-1619-project/604093/.

On balance, it is a worthwhile read (the 1619 Project, that is). And, at a meta level, the theses therein strike the nerves they do because - IMO - they're on point, even if the collective we are sometimes loathe to admit it.

[weisan]

I didn't catch this until now...according to Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-minneapolis-protests-live-updates/#link-DZKQYZK6SBBFFPEWMFVJYJ56GE

. Minneapolis City Council Vice President Andrea Jenkins said Floyd and Chauvin knew each other for many years because they worked security at the same night club. Both men worked at El Nuevo Rodeo on Lake Street before their fatal encounter.

[Jaybee]

Well the officer has been arrested and charged now so hopefully the city calms down.

The med examiner's autopsy report is listing "underlying health conditions" and not asphyxiation or strangulation as cause of death. I'm not counting on a successful prosecution for something we can all see plainly in the video.

[cinema]

The med examiner's autopsy report is listing "underlying health conditions" and not asphyxiation or strangulation as cause of death. I'm not counting on a successful prosecution for something we can all see plainly in the video.

interesting. i thought something like this would happen. despite it seeming obvious from the video, it does appear he can sort of breathe but he is being placed under great distress. it's possible the autopsy is technically correct, but what is clear is that if the officer had not done what he did and listened to the man in distress, George would still be alive. that is why he will hopefully be found guilty on manslaughter, which they have also charged him with.

[Blue Jays]

Hopefully the city, residents, and businesses were not ruined over two men who simply hated each other. :-(

[Dino Suegiù]

The med examiner's autopsy report is listing "underlying health conditions" and not asphyxiation or strangulation as cause of death. I'm not counting on a successful prosecution for something we can all see plainly in the video.

That is not an accurate summary of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's statement, in that what was issued was 1) clearly a first, broad, c-y-a statement, allowing for multiple possibilities; and 2) is not the conclusive final autopsy yet (as apparently all laboratory results have not been returned yet).

The HCME's complete statement reads:
"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

"No physical findings" does not preclude asphyxia or strangulation as a cause/primary factor of death, not does it in any way negate the 3 officers' clearly documented and clearly forceful connections to George Floyd's death: 8 minutes 46 seconds under direct, constant physical pressure during which time George Floyd was begging for help and mercy, except for the final 2 minutes and 53 seconds during which time George Floyd was apparently completely unresponsive, having either expired or on his way to expiring with no respite given.

M U R D E R.

Also, the Floyd family has apparently commissioned a second autopsy (Dr. Michael Baden, NYC) before the first MPD/HCME results are even final, because of a completely justified mistrust of any conduct of the Minneapolis Police Department.

[Gsinill]

Can't access Weisan's WaPo link anymore w/o subscription but as far as I remember, it stated that Chauvin continued kneeling on Floyd's neck for 3 minutes after one of the other officers determined that Floyd had no more pulse.

3 f'ing minutes (!) and no attempt to reanimate Floyd by any of the LEOs.

[Jaybee]

That is not an accurate summary of the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's statement, in that what was issued was 1) clearly a first, broad, c-y-a statement, allowing for multiple possibilities; and 2) is not the conclusive final autopsy yet (as apparently all laboratory results have not been returned yet).

The HCME's complete statement reads:
"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

"No physical findings" does not preclude asphyxia or strangulation as a cause/primary factor of death, not does it in any way negate the 3 officers' clearly documented and clearly forceful connections to George Floyd's death: 8 minutes 46 seconds under direct, constant physical pressure during which time George Floyd was begging for help and mercy, except for the final 2 minutes and 53 seconds during which time George Floyd was apparently completely unresponsive, having either expired or on his way to expiring with no respite given.

M U R D E R.

Also, the Floyd family has apparently commissioned a second autopsy (Dr. Michael Baden, NYC) before the first MPD/HCME results are even final, because of a completely justified mistrust of any conduct of the Minneapolis Police Department.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Dino Suegiù]

Can't access Weisan's WaPo link anymore w/o subscription but as far as I remember, it stated that Chauvin continued kneeling on Floyd's neck for 3 minutes after one of the other officers determined that Floyd had no more pulse.

3 f'ing minutes (!) and no attempt to reanimate Floyd by any of the LEOs.
Sadly it is all over the media:

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200529134923-new-george-floyd-arrest-video-screengrab-exlarge-169.jpg

Time (George Floyd prone, under pressure) total: 8 minutes 46 seconds.
Time (George Floyd prone, under pressure) after becoming unresponsive: 2 minutes 53 seconds.

Count out to either time...it takes a long while....

No pleas respected, no life respected, no reanimation attempted, no help given...in fact the intention of death seemingly verified before knees were lifted.

All four ex-officers should be charged for murder, as either instigators or accessories. The conduct of these animals is beyond reprehensible, regardless of any personal animus Floyd and Chauvin may have had for each other.

Apparently George McMichael, Travis McMichael, and William Bryan were not fans of Ahmaud Arbery, either.

Any personal animus, if it indeed existed, is then even more terrifying, as both (and many other similar) cases become in fact very close to if not complete demonstrations of in-cold-blood, premeditated murder, lynchings in all aspects.

[bobdenver1961]

Thanks for posting. Ballsy ride not gonna lie. Be safe.

I don't know what looked more scary. Riding along the edge of the freeway in the first minute of your video or going into South Minneapolis.

[Dino Suegiù]

Thanks for clarifying.
Welcome, posted only for accuracy in what is obviously such a complete tragedy, on so many levels. All the way to the fact that the instigation/silence from 1600 is truly stupefying.

We can only hope that the far more sinister interpretation posited in your original (and completely justified fearful) post does not in fact become the medical conclusion proposed and hammered by their own attorneys when Chauvin (et al, one hopes) is actually on trial, to the point that a jury becomes doubtful. We all know that it very well could happen that way. :(

[FlashUNC]

Welcome, posted only for accuracy in what is obviously such a complete tragedy, on so many levels. All the way to the fact that the instigation/silence from 1600 is truly stupefying.

We can only hope that the far more sinister interpretation posited in your original (and completely justified fearful) post does not in fact become the medical conclusion proposed and hammered by their own attorneys when Chauvin (et al, one hopes) is actually on trial, to the point that a jury becomes doubtful. We all know that it very well could happen that way. :(

It's 100% going to be the approach. What was the term in the 90s? Sudden In Custody Death Syndrome?

[charliedid]

Anybody else seen this video and what is "presumed" to be a cop breaking windows at AutoZone? I've just seen it pushed around on the socials. I'm not posting it but people have put a name to the face (ex-wife reportedly)

https://youtu.be/qv-O4rnUToU

[Dino Suegiù]

It's 100% going to be the approach. What was the term in the 90s? Sudden In Custody Death Syndrome?

One would assume that, certainly barring some even more incontrovertible evidence against Derek Chauvin, given that Chauvin had already hired Minneapolis attorney Tom Kelly (defended SAPD officer Jeronimo Yanez in the Philando Castile case) after Chauvin was fired and before he was arrested/charged.

Chauvin presumably had Mr. Kelly on speed dial, and may well have been discussing strategy with him 10 minutes after killing George Floyd.

The wheels....

[Jaybee]

It's 100% going to be the approach. What was the term in the 90s? Sudden In Custody Death Syndrome?

That's more or less how it went for Freddie Gray.

[zmudshark]

hope so... but if it take riots and looting to get this done it sends the wrong message.

I didn't study much early American history, but wasn't that pretty much how this country was founded?


Also, I firmly believe that there are many 'agent provocateur' doing the instigating.

[gasman]

I think we need to see how this all plays out and I hope for the truth to come out.

Peace

Enjoy the weekend