Very Cool

[David Kirk]

Congrats to Serotta for showing why they are constantly on the leading edge.

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/11504.0.html

Dave

[Ray]

Congrats to Serotta for showing why they are constantly on the leading edge.

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/11504.0.html

Dave
Very cool indeed. That's the kind of stuff I couldn't personally be less interested in, but I'm really glad its going on because a lot of it eventually filters down through the ranks and parts of it end up making cycling better for all of us. I'm glad there are people involved and interested at that level. Sort of like the details of medicine are not interesting to me, but I'm REALLY glad they're interesting to the folks involved.

Way to go Serotta.

-Ray

[neverraced]

Congrats to Serotta for showing why they are constantly on the leading edge.

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/11504.0.html

Dave


Leading edge? Carbon fiber model introduced 2005.

[Climb01742]

imagine if some version of the boulder presentations were at open house... or if the presentation were taped and available on the serotta site...

[davids]

Some people know where the leading edge is. And some people think it's all about materials.

Good job, Serotta. I want to hear more about the pedal-foot interface, myself!

[David Kirk]

Some people know where the leading edge is. And some people think it's all about materials.

Good job, Serotta. I want to hear more about the pedal-foot interface, myself!

+1.5

Dave

[Simon Q]

Some people know where the leading edge is. And some people think it's all about materials.

Good job, Serotta. I want to hear more about the pedal-foot interface, myself!


+ 2. Serotta have the focus 100% in the right place. Fit and biodynamics 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Then materials. Very few cyclists get that but that is good for those that do...

[SPOKE]

just so happens that Smiley and I are in Boulder enjoying the event. what a wealth of knowledge!!!! i just hope some of it sinks into my hard head. :beer:

[ada@prorider.or]

imagine if some version of the boulder presentations were at open house... or if the presentation were taped and available on the serotta site...


or even webcast
and then max showed my power software from 1990,when he was at mapei and motorola

[SPOKE]

i'll encourage any of you that have an interest in this type of information to join the SICI organization. this way you can have access to the info as well as make contributions yourself. :beer:

[neverraced]

Some people know where the leading edge is. And some people think it's all about materials.




How silly of me to assume that people on this forum even think of the materials...

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=23479&highlight=titanium
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=24069&highlight=titanium
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=15960&highlight=titanium
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=23879&highlight=titanium
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=19580&highlight=meivici
http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=24187&highlight=meivici

etc.

[crossjunkee]

neverraced,

True, people like nice bikes, and fancy materials. That's a given, it brings us together as one in a happy place. I also feel that fit is the most important. I'm willing to bet 99.9% of the people here would agree. It just so happens, with Serotta, and a select few builders, you get the best of both worlds.

Nice article by the way Dave, thanks for posting...

[Steelhead]

Some people know where the leading edge is. And some people think it's all about materials.

Good job, Serotta. I want to hear more about the pedal-foot interface, myself!

Word!

[Simon Q]

neverraced,

True, people like nice bikes, and fancy materials. That's a given, it brings us together as one in a happy place. I also feel that fit is the most important. I'm willing to bet 99.9% of the people here would agree. It just so happens, with Serotta, and a select few builders, you get the best of both worlds.

Nice article by the way Dave, thanks for posting...

Yep, +1.

[David Kirk]

It doesn't matter what it's made of, what it weighs or what it cost.......if it doesn't fit properly none of the other stuff will matter in the slightest.

Serotta is and has been at the forefront of fit for a very long time. What other company, large or small, has done what they have?

It's not like Seven or Litespeed or Moots or etc...... are setting the fitting world abuzz. They all make nice bikes but they don't have the fitting depth or knowledge that Serotta does.

Dave

[ada@prorider.or]

e. What other company, large or small, has done what they have?



ME since 1990

[dbrk]

I will uphold the traditions of apostasy here, just 'cause...

I think this seminar is really interesting but I can't say that it's results or findings would matter much to me as an avid cyclist or influence the way I choose to ride. I'm happy others find this performance oriented strategy an interest but I'm not trying to go faster and I don't think I need to go farther. But if you are, then that's swell.

Also, I think the vast majority of cyclists would do better on a "stock" design, a non-custom fit that comes from a builder/designer with solid experience. Custom is a better exception than rule when it comes to bike geometries atmoimhonottheclko and fit solutions...just look at the outcomes!!...or very few numbers (like, say, saddle height and reach or top tube) and leave the rest to the designer in a more bespoke way. Think Huntsman and Sons (http://www.h-huntsman.com/) where you don't get to tell them how to make your suit: you either want their fit and style or you don't.

ready to be denounced,

dbrk

[Steelhead]

I will uphold the traditions of apostasy here, just 'cause...

I think this seminar is really interesting but I can't say that it's results or findings would matter much to me as an avid cyclist or influence the way I choose to ride. I'm happy others find this performance oriented strategy an interest but I'm not trying to go faster and I don't think I need to go farther. But if you are, then that's swell.

Also, I think the vast majority of cyclists would do better on a "stock" design, a non-custom fit that comes from a builder/designer with solid experience. Custom is a better exception than rule when it comes to bike geometries atmoimhonottheclko and fit solutions...just look at the outcomes!!...or very few numbers (like, say, saddle height and reach or top tube) and leave the rest to the designer in a more bespoke way. Think Huntsman and Sons (http://www.h-huntsman.com/) where you don't get to tell them how to make your suit: you either want their fit and style or you don't.

ready to be denounced,

dbrk

If I were choosing between an off the rack Brioni suit and a custom Oxxford, I would go with the Oxxford, just to get that feeling that it is "mine" and i'm going to wear it for about 25 years before I hand it down to my son or grandson who will continue to cherish it. Both are the finest suits made, but custom is just that - custom. Great analogy DBRK -

[SPOKE]

ME since 1990

I'll encourage you to join the SICI organization. your knowledge and experience would be a tremendous asset in improving the collective knowledge base.

[nicrump]

many in the audience were taken aback by a water-bottle design from MIT graduate student, purportedly able to save 110 seconds over the course of a 40 kilometer time trial

the only problem was the bicycle has to sit IN the bottle

http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2001/BlueyonderLaunchingTeam.jpg

[davids]

I will uphold the traditions of apostasy here, just 'cause...

I think this seminar is really interesting but I can't say that it's results or findings would matter much to me as an avid cyclist or influence the way I choose to ride. I'm happy others find this performance oriented strategy an interest but I'm not trying to go faster and I don't think I need to go farther. But if you are, then that's swell.

Also, I think the vast majority of cyclists would do better on a "stock" design, a non-custom fit that comes from a builder/designer with solid experience. Custom is a better exception than rule when it comes to bike geometries atmoimhonottheclko and fit solutions...just look at the outcomes!!...or very few numbers (like, say, saddle height and reach or top tube) and leave the rest to the designer in a more bespoke way. Think Huntsman and Sons (http://www.h-huntsman.com/) where you don't get to tell them how to make your suit: you either want their fit and style or you don't.

ready to be denounced,

dbrk
Yes and no. I am in complete agreement with you, in that stock sizes can fit most people. But given that, I've found that some stock sizes are better than others. And I think a deeper knowledge of fit considerations can help designers of stock bikes (or fitters who could be recommending stock geometries...) do a better job.

And then there are the other "fit" issues like the foot-pedal interface - That needs more attention, atmo! I tried footbeds for the first time this week, and I sure wish that someone had brought this to my attention before now - I think this kind of thing needs as much attention as the length of my stem...

[ada@prorider.or]

I'll encourage you to join the SICI organization. your knowledge and experience would be a tremendous asset in improving the collective knowledge base.

i do what i can
but as you see the speakers they where all from usa
so

[crossjunkee]

Stock sizes will fit most, this is true. You still need a person that knows what they are doing to fit you to a stock frame. A Serotta shop is still one the best places to go, even if you don't end up with a custom frame. At least they have a better chance of sending the "average" customer off in the right direction with their new stock frame.

[swoop]

the serotta size cycle is a absolutely wonderful thing.... pure briliance.

but... to the individual.. i've seen as many poorly fitted serottas as any brand of bike. while i associate the brand with being synonamous with perfection in so many ways.... fit doesn't even make a blip on the radar. in fact, i think its the achilles.

when i think of brands that sell amazing fit i think of 2 guys in a barn, or a dude in a pretty yellow house, or an italian mystic.... but not for a second have i ever associated serotta with fit beyound the size cycle. which is why i'm happy to see them continuing to reach for better answers.

atmo.
p.s., and with all respect to the brand. serotta makes darn near perfect bikes! in my mind.. fit is where they could make quantum leaps. the whole reason i get reverent about pegs is having seen how he fits a guy on the bike.

[David Kirk]

What I think is cool about Serotta, the Size Cycle, SICI etc........is that they are all examples of Serotta's continuous pursuit of knowledge. Is the Size Cycle perfect? Nope........it's only as good as the operator. I just find Serotta's pursuit admirable and very cool. They are not alone in this but they are in small and good company.

Dave

[swoop]

+1

[catulle]

+1 posts #24, #25, #26, atmo...

[JohnS]

ME since 1990
Now if you only had Ben's humbleness.

[swoop]

cees suffers from being ahead of his time. its not easy. because by the time guys catch up.. they take all the credit and are happy to self congradulate. in the mean time you where there years ago and because they didnt get it .. you were on your own.

being ahead is not easy. i'd get frustrated too.

[oracle]

+1 posts #24, #25, #26, atmo...

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