Heresy: Sram red etap and delta brakes

[jtakeda]

Has anyone tried this combo?

The kirk is DIALED. WI crank and sram etap all around with a back-up record 10 group in case I want to go back.

Last piece of the puzzle is swapping out the campy brakes I have on there now but I'm a little worried about tire clearance if I switch to SRAM brakes. Campy brakes work GREAT, no reason to change except the logo says campy.

So....its making me think should I just put the deltas back on the kirk?

Am I crazy?

[jtbadge]

I've had oodles of clearance with the Red (dual pivot), Force, and Rival brakes I've used - always limited by the frame/fork rather than brakes.

[jtakeda]

I've had oodles of clearance with the Red (dual pivot), Force, and Rival brakes I've used - always limited by the frame/fork rather than brakes.

Good to know. I did a cursory search of "sram aerolink brakes clearance" and found all these things saying it wouldnt clear a 28.

I just got scared and Im pretty SRAM ignorant. Lifelong campy user.

[jtbadge]

I've never used the AeroLink as I am not interested in a single-pivot brake. But the other ones have been excellent.

[Spaghetti Legs]

I can’t think of a brake that would have less clearance than Deltas. These are mine with 25’s.

https://live.staticflickr.com/4552/38528300911_9ae1f80a68_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/21GBByc)

[Clean39T]

Has anyone tried this combo?

The kirk is DIALED. WI crank and sram etap all around with a back-up record 10 group in case I want to go back.

Last piece of the puzzle is swapping out the campy brakes I have on there now but I'm a little worried about tire clearance if I switch to SRAM brakes. Campy brakes work GREAT, no reason to change except the logo says campy.

So....its making me think should I just put the deltas back on the kirk?

Am I crazy?

I'll have some spare Aerolinks for you in a couple days if you're interested. Like new take-offs. Is that the right choice? Dunno.

[thirdgenbird]

I can’t think of a brake that would have less clearance than Deltas. These are mine with 25’s

The CDA variant has adjustment at the mounting bolt and at the pad. I’ve seen people run them with 30-32mm tires. Record deltas are 23-25 tops in my experience.

[zmalwo]

The heresy must be destroyed.

[choke]

The CDA variant has adjustment at the mounting bolt and at the pad. I’ve seen people run them with 30-32mm tires. Record deltas are 23-25 tops in my experience. They only adjust at the pad but the slot is quite long. The tires measured 31.8mm.

http://cycle.ciocctoo.com/losa2.jpg

[jtakeda]

I have CDA brakes. They were on the Kirk with the same components before

[scoobydrew]

No problems with clearance with my set up:

SRAM Red Aerolink brakes
Conti GP4000s II 700x25c that plump up to 28.3mm on 19.6mm internal width rims

About 3mm from the top of the tire to the caliper.

Here's a blurry pic I just took:
https://i.imgur.com/RY2WI27h.jpg

[bfd]

Has anyone tried this combo?

The kirk is DIALED. WI crank and sram etap all around with a back-up record 10 group in case I want to go back.

Last piece of the puzzle is swapping out the campy brakes I have on there now but I'm a little worried about tire clearance if I switch to SRAM brakes. Campy brakes work GREAT, no reason to change except the logo says campy.

So....its making me think should I just put the deltas back on the kirk?

Am I crazy?

Keep the Delta brakes! I too committed heresy when I built up my Della Santa, but in the opposite direction. I put on Campy Chorus 11 mechanical drivetrain but the only brakes I had at the time were some black Sram Red brakes. So I put them on and they worked great! Also, the hub on my front wheel is a Dura Ace. Again, it’s what I had laying around and it just works. Note, the rear wheel has a proper Chorus rear hub if that matters. Bike runs great and I see no reason to change it. Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!

[oldpotatoe]

Has anyone tried this combo?

The kirk is DIALED. WI crank and sram etap all around with a back-up record 10 group in case I want to go back.

Last piece of the puzzle is swapping out the campy brakes I have on there now but I'm a little worried about tire clearance if I switch to SRAM brakes. Campy brakes work GREAT, no reason to change except the logo says campy.

So....its making me think should I just put the deltas back on the kirk?

Am I crazy?

Not at all, it brings some class to the bike that is suffering thru sram:)...If ya got fattish tires, might be tough to take a wheel out tho..listen to the bike..at least you have Record waiting in the wings.

[Waldo62]

They only adjust at the pad but the slot is quite long. The tires measured 31.8mm.

http://cycle.ciocctoo.com/losa2.jpg

Oh man, this is a complete game changer for me!

[kiwisimon]

Is this a form over function decision? Why not use brakes that have some real stopping power?

[R3awak3n]

/\ oh boy... they all gonna jump on you and say you don't know how to set em up.



Personally, etap.... deltas would be out of place. That said, the sram brakes are awful looking, those would never bless any of my bikes (unless they were the cool hydro caliper ones because they just nerdy). I suggest going with EEs, they will look good with etap, are cool, are light as hell and stop VERY good.

[Waldo62]

Is this a form over function decision? Why not use brakes that have some real stopping power?

I used Record Deltas in the past and found them perfectly functional.

[jtakeda]

Is this a form over function decision? Why not use brakes that have some real stopping power?

The deltas worked great when they were on the Kirk before. It’s more of a concept of modern. The black record brakes that are on there work great as well.

[cueoner]

I've got Red Aerolink brakes on my restomod Merckx.

The back is a tight fit, but it clears. I'm running Enve 3.4's Gen 2 wheels with Schwalbe Pro 1 tubeless 25c tires. Actual tire measures out to 28.74 in the rear with my caliper.

https://i.ibb.co/vDPmV0R/IMG-7173.jpg (https://ibb.co/x3jGXxd)

[Fivethumbs]

According to this website, you can adjust the brake height by moving the entire caliper up and down: http://promechanics.com/resources/tutorials/brkdlta/

Installation

1. Loosen brake pad bolts and lubricate threads. Set brake pads to lowest position in the caliper arms. Apply Locktite #242 to caliper mounting bolt or sleeve nut.
2. Install caliper to frame and secure to mounting but to snug. Center caliper arms to rim. Centering of caliper arms will not affect pad alignment.
3. Set pad height by loosening brake mounting nut and moving entire caliper up or down.

This guy on Youtube said the same thing: https://youtu.be/eSXQnG-AqZ0

[choke]

Oh man, this is a complete game changer for me! The only time that there is that much clearance is if the builder set the brakes up so that the pads are in the very bottom of the slots. On the bike pictured the back brake wasn't quite set the same, so while the 32 would clear it was closer than I liked. I ended up using tires that measure 30mm.

According to this website, you can adjust the brake height by moving the entire caliper up and down: That is the case for Record Deltas. They have very short slots for pad adjustment, basically just to fine tune things. The CdA (Croce d'Aune) Deltas have a fixed caliper mounting bolt.

[zzy]

Don't listen to the haters - DO IT. 5th gen Deltas actually work great and provide a good amount of adjustability. They're not even that hard to set up provided you have the 3.5mm allen key for the cable anchor bolt, you just have to cut the cable very precisely. Just don't try to take them apart.

[robt57]

"I am just a blacksmith" - Dario Pegoretti

Just saw that. ;) More like a tutti-fruity smith...

[fogrider]

Don't listen to the haters - DO IT. 5th gen Deltas actually work great and provide a good amount of adjustability. They're not even that hard to set up provided you have the 3.5mm allen key for the cable anchor bolt, you just have to cut the cable very precisely. Just don't try to take them apart.

This...the trick to cutting the wire for me was to put some masking tape on the cable so I could mark it. While Deltas worked, and even if the 5th gen worked better, they were still weighty and compared to dual pivots...not to mention disc brakes...that said, horses for courses.

[oldpotatoe]

Is this a form over function decision? Why not use brakes that have some real stopping power?

Ah, spoken as a person who has never used them..:)
Been using them since about 1991 or 2 and have NEVER had any problem stopping. Gotta set them up right and yes, the only brake where you can adjust the height of the entire caliper.

As for cutting cable..adjust with brake lever open(sorry-no-can-do on sram or shimano levers), and brake barrel adjuster all the way down..pull cable tight thru 3.5mm allen(easy to find also, not a unicorn), then secure(use a 9mm open end to hold flats whilst tightening)..close brake lever(sorry-no-can-do with sram or shimano) and squeeze lever firmly..this compresses housing and stretches cable..then adjust clearance with barrel adjuster. Same gig with 's' brand levers jjst may have to tighten. THEM cut cable cleanly at bottom of caliper, close to fixing nut.

[choke]

"I am just a blacksmith" - Dario Pegoretti

Just saw that. ;) More like a tutti-fruity smith...That came from an exchange across the hall many years ago. Someone was saying that the Falz fork, which had just come out, was being made by Trigon and Dario corrected him.

But he had no idea that Round = Dario...

Round: But is not the factory that make the falz fork.
What is your background to say this?

Pasquino: technical international press,and the your one?

Round: What kind of international press?
I am just a blacksmith , sorry!

Pasquino: sorry,i want to talk about a beatiful fork for one of the
best steel bike in the world,not about newspaper.
if you know something interesting,please tell us,otherwise let answer
someone else.


This...the trick to cutting the wire for me was to put some masking tape on the cable so I could mark it.When I put cables on Deltas, the very last thing that I do is cut the cable. I run it through and down by the tire, get everything adjusted like I want and then cut the cable with a dremel using a cut off wheel.

[eBAUMANN]

...the only brake where you can adjust the height of the entire caliper.

Not so fast there Mr. P! You can adjust the height of (at least 1st Gen) eebrakes via their eccentric mounting bolts...

Regarde...

https://pezcyclingnews.com/photos/tech/ee/eestraight.jpg

[R3awak3n]

Not so fast there Mr. P! You can adjust the height of (at least 1st Gen) eebrakes via their eccentric mounting bolts...

Regarde...

https://pezcyclingnews.com/photos/tech/ee/eestraight.jpg

man I wish I had not sold my 1st Gen EE.... Actually they might have been 2nd Gen, I think the eccentric was on both 1st and 2nd.

[Jeff N.]

Delta strengths= purdy. Weakness=poor stopping power, hefty. Lose 'em.

[donevwil]

... and don't forget the ever popular Scott Superbrake also height adjustable, just not the pads.

https://live.staticflickr.com/1730/28581243028_78d7dc17f8_c_d.jpg