Italy and Spain ban cycling completely!

[huck*this]

I hope it does not come to this in the states.

http://cycling.today/italy-and-spain-ban-cycling-completely/?fbclid=IwAR1f-lybIfUcIPtxfxgRzSTkOV4nYTYGyXD9wh7_OFbdaioNni5BDfV nlD4

[dbnm]

damn.

I live on a 15 mile bike path. Ugh.

[bikinchris]

During the 1918 flu pandemic, it was found that sunshine and open air was the best thing for everyone.
I see that they were smarter back then.

[Miljack]

Wow, given the cycling culture there, this is a shocker

[mcteague]

They are, arguably, most concerned with accidents and the rider needing medical support, which is needed for the pandemic. By that logic, they should outlaw using ladders, cleaning gutters and maybe driving as well.

Tim

[dddd]

The environment that they are addressing in Italy is one of crowded city streets. I seriously doubt if there would ever be enforcement of riding in a more well-spaced environment such as where recreational cycling occurs.

The other thing about in Italy is that they are requiring people to stay home, not go out (on bikes or even on foot).

Unfortunately, cities are effectively "designed" to exacerbate disease transmission.

I'm wondering about how different countries with cultures of differing face-to-face speaking distance will compare in terms of how fast that their case loads peak?

Of course group riding has been discouraged even here in the US so as to avoid riders transmitting among each other.
Our club here will be testing new riding distance parameters tomorrow, but it's the coffee klatch following the ride that I just may skip altogether.

I will probably seriously avoid being in a car with anyone for a while here, last week I took a weather-related ride home offered by someone who coughed a few times along the way.

I'm actually starting to imagine that I feel a fever coming on...

[weiwentg]

Same in France (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-france-president-macron-announces-15-day-lockdown-2020-3). This was just reported.

[muz]

We are not too far behind in the Bay Area. This just in:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php

[Mark McM]

... while in New York City:

New Yorkers wary of subways take up cycling to avoid coronavirus (https://nypost.com/2020/03/11/new-yorkers-wary-of-subways-take-up-cycling-to-avoid-coronavirus/)

[tuscanyswe]

The environment that they are addressing in Italy is one of crowded city streets. I seriously doubt if there would ever be enforcement of riding in a more well-spaced environment such as where recreational cycling occurs.

The other thing about in Italy is that they are requiring people to stay home, not go out (on bikes or even on foot).

Unfortunately, cities are effectively "designed" to exacerbate disease transmission.

I'm wondering about how different countries with cultures of differing face-to-face speaking distance will compare in terms of how fast that their case loads peak?

Of course group riding has been discouraged even here in the US so as to avoid riders transmitting among each other.
Our club here will be testing new riding distance parameters tomorrow, but it's the coffee klatch following the ride that I just may skip altogether.

I will probably seriously avoid being in a car with anyone for a while here, last week I took a weather-related ride home offered by someone who coughed a few times along the way.

I'm actually starting to imagine that I feel a fever coming on...


The experts here speak about this and how we (swedes) also do not live or socialise (we should be ashamed) with our older generations in the same way as southern europe do. We are also not big on gatherings in general and most ppl ju go home and Eat supper with kids n go to bed. We are also not comfortable with interacting with ppl we do not know. The experts thoughts are this could potentially be in our favor in terms of corona spread.

[EB]

Cycling not actually cancelled in SF, though group rides probably are:

https://sf.gov/stay-home-except-essential-needs

Sports that are permitted (as long as you maintain at least six feet from anyone else and don’t share equipment):

yoga on your own (no sharing blocks or mats)
running alone or with others with distance
riding your bike (alone/with distance)
walking (alone/with distance)
stretching
swimming in the ocean or in your own pool/hot tub
shooting baskets by yourself, or hitting a tennis ball against a backboard

[Wakatel_Luum]

During the 1918 flu pandemic, it was found that sunshine and open air was the best thing for everyone.
I see that they were smarter back then.

Apparently they’re going to start to dunk cyclists in water...if they float they are witch and if they sink they’re a cyclist...😳

[JStonebarger]

Cycling not actually cancelled in SF, though group rides probably are:

https://sf.gov/stay-home-except-essential-needs

Sports that are permitted (as long as you maintain at least six feet from anyone else and don’t share equipment):

yoga on your own (no sharing blocks or mats)
running alone or with others with distance
riding your bike (alone/with distance)
walking (alone/with distance)
stretching
swimming in the ocean or in your own pool/hot tub
shooting baskets by yourself, or hitting a tennis ball against a backboard

"They will be able to go outside for walks or exercise as long as they keep six feet away from anyone they don’t already live with."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php

And I love riding with my wife!

[cgolvin]

The experts here speak about this and how we (swedes) also do not live or socialise (we should be ashamed) with our older generations in the same way as southern europe do. We are also not big on gatherings in general and most ppl ju go home and Eat supper with kids n go to bed. We are also not comfortable with interacting with ppl we do not know. The experts thoughts are this could potentially be in our favor in terms of corona spread.

Finally, a win for the anti-social crowd.
(Apologies for those offended by gallows humor, I find it the only way to cope.)

[XXtwindad]

The experts here speak about this and how we (swedes) also do not live or socialise (we should be ashamed) with our older generations in the same way as southern europe do. We are also not big on gatherings in general and most ppl ju go home and Eat supper with kids n go to bed. We are also not comfortable with interacting with ppl we do not know. The experts thoughts are this could potentially be in our favor in terms of corona spread.

Bike forums are fine, though :)

Guess it's time to revive the "stationary bike playlist" thread.

[perdido2000]

They are, arguably, most concerned with accidents and the rider needing medical support, which is needed for the pandemic. By that logic, they should outlaw using ladders, cleaning gutters and maybe driving as well.



TimYes. I would avoid any activity that may put yourself in danger.
Spain is in a lockdown, borders are closed, the military is taking beds from hotels and delivering them to nearby hospitals. Anyone who is out in the streets will be fined unless commuting to work, on their way to get groceries or medicine, etc.
This is an emergency situation unheard of in recent history.

The whole country is coming to a halt, many will die and many will lose their jobs.

The sooner the rest of the world reacts, the better the outcome. S. Korea, Taiwan, Japan reacted quickly and were able to minimize the impact. Here in Europe, Italy and later Spain took too long to take action.

Also, I recommend getting a smart trainer and a zwift/rouvy/rgt account. It will make the lockdown just a bit more tolerable.

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[MikeD]

We are not too far behind in the Bay Area. This just in:



https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php


I'm thinking of getting the hell out of this area for a while. Not sure where.

Not looking forward to food stores with bare shelves, restaurants closed, health club closed, nothing to do...

That article says "In the six Bay Area counties, non-essential gatherings of any size are now banned, along with non-essential travel “on foot, bicycle, scooter, automobile or public transit.”

If they tell me I can't go out and ride, I will openly defy that order!


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[Polyglot]

A friend of mine posted a short video showing two editions of the local newspaper of the City of Bergamo. One from February 9th and another on Friday last week, therefore with about one month's difference. The February newspaper had 1 1/2 pages of obituaries. The March newspaper had 10 pages of obituaries. This is a good indication of just how bad the virus can be, especially for hard hit areas and for those who are older and in higher risk groups.

[djdj]

I'm thinking of getting the hell out of this area for a while. Not sure where.

Not looking forward to food stores with bare shelves, restaurants closed, health club closed, nothing to do...

That article says "In the six Bay Area counties, non-essential gatherings of any size are now banned, along with non-essential travel “on foot, bicycle, scooter, automobile or public transit.”

If they tell me I can't go out and ride, I will openly defy that order!


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Oy. Let's all do what we want regardless of the potential consequences to others and see where that gets us.

[rain dogs]

As a person living in Spain, I don't think this is true. If you use your bicycle to commute to work you can still do so, but you need an authorization (just the same as you need with a car right now).

Also, professional cyclists can still train as I understand. A lot of this is happening really fast and people are unsure of the rules and the rules are changing often so...

But, any recreational cycling, or cycling for non-work related purposes is banned.

I did read yesterday that you can still do your grocery shopping by bicycle, but that may be pushing you luck because it's uncommon in Spain to not be within walking distance of many supermarkets or small markets....so... that argument may fall flat. Oh, actually the article does say "If the journey is not for food or medical supplies, riders could face a €3,000 penalty, according to several sources."

Basically, it's a ban on exercise or recreational cycling, but we're not allowed outside for those either by any means.... even walking.

EDIT: Found this: Among the cyclists who had asked the ACP to intervene on their behalf was the Astana rider, Gorka Izagirre.

He said: “Some of our team left yesterday [Sunday] to train in Benidorm and the Civil Guard sent them home.

“They (the Guardia Civil) have told them they need an official letter from the team and so we have gone to the ACP to see if they can give us any support so we can go out." As I said, you have to have written permission to go out and train/work as a pro cyclist.

[zennmotion]

"They will be able to go outside for walks or exercise as long as they keep six feet away from anyone they don’t already live with."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Bay-Area-must-shelter-in-place-Only-15135014.php

And I love riding with my wife!

This, from the Alameda County Shelter in Place Directive:

"5.All travel,including,but not limited to,travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit,except Essential Travel and Essential Activities as defined below in Section 10, is prohibited."

And in section 10 there's this included with a list of exceptions and exemptions-


iii.To engage in outdoor activity,provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.

Confused? I am! I guess I can go for a run, but not a ride? I think in reality it's going to depend on the opinion of law enforcement. It's clearly not thought out, and even the closure of all but "essential businesses" can mean anything except some of the service industries- any store that sells food (snacks) work-from home supplies (electronic anything) supermarkets, restaurants (take-out only) auto-related (gas stations and auto parts). Just not services. So, of course, the lowest wage earners will take the greatest disproportionate hit. As usual. It will be interesting to see the court challenges and lawsuits on all sides that are sure to come.

[EB]

For those in the Bay Area - yes you can ride your bike, assuming you adhere to the 6' foot rule.

At least in Marin, most of the trails are open as well, other than Marin County Parks.

One quirk is that the SF order seems to ban travel out of the county, which technically means you can't leave SF except for essential travel. Not sure how to interpret that one vis a vis recreational riding by yourself, which again - is explicitly allowed.

[zap]

Bring a Whole Foods bag with you on your rides.....

[ltwtsculler91]

This, from the Alameda County Shelter in Place Directive:

"5.All travel,including,but not limited to,travel on foot, bicycle, scooter, motorcycle, automobile, or public transit,except Essential Travel and Essential Activities as defined below in Section 10, is prohibited."

And in section 10 there's this included with a list of exceptions and exemptions-


iii.To engage in outdoor activity,provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.

Confused? I am! I guess I can go for a run, but not a ride? I think in reality it's going to depend on the opinion of law enforcement. It's clearly not thought out, and even the closure of all but "essential businesses" can mean anything except some of the service industries- any store that sells food (snacks) work-from home supplies (electronic anything) supermarkets, restaurants (take-out only) auto-related (gas stations and auto parts). Just not services. So, of course, the lowest wage earners will take the greatest disproportionate hit. As usual. It will be interesting to see the court challenges and lawsuits on all sides that are sure to come.

It's come around in Spain that cycling was excluded because of the higher incidence of injuries and severity that can happen with bike crashes. They want to minimize chances of hospitalizations and calls for first responders that are more likely with bike crashes, than any of the other activities,

[Lionel]

You can still ride on your own in France. I will favor MTB for now.