Rolling coal can be quite costly

[gdw]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/32533/diesel-brothers-hit-with-850000-fine-for-tampering-with-truck-emissions

[Mikej]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/32533/diesel-brothers-hit-with-850000-fine-for-tampering-with-truck-emissions

Te proper term is Rolling Coal -

[goonster]

That is great news.

[bthornt]

Here's a guy who deserves a fine for rolling coal on cyclists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDxjge5hmY

[redir]

It's hard to imagine the quality of the character (or the small size of the...) of a person (lets face it of a man) who would want to modify a diesel engine to what? Troll leebruls?

Well now all I can say is.

https://i2.wp.com/brightestyoungthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Simpsons-nelson-ha-ha-93-p-672x480.jpg

[unterhausen]

definitely good to go after people who have a business doing this. Might be harder to get the people that sell computer chips.

I have been the victim of coal rolling a couple of times. They really should just take those trucks and crush them, like California does with street racer cars. The most dangerous example of coal rolling I saw was in Virginia. I was driving. The truck passed me moving very quickly, and then rolled coal just over a hill from me, I saw the smoke tapering off from the truck. When I got to the smoke it was hard to see. It was a busy road. I have no idea what precipitated it, other than the person was a jerk. Sometimes guys like that get in a rage if they can't speed as fast as they want.

[slowpoke]

Unfortunately this just plays into "the government is interfering with my freedoms!" individualism fantasy. Check the comments in that article for examples.

[CSTRider]

In addition to the loss of vision, coal rolling can trigger a life threatening asthma attack for sensitive individuals. This is not innocent child's play.

[stackie]

That's so awesome. Truly brings a smile to my face. I only hope that it is enough of a fine to drive them out of business.

Agree with redir that I just cannot understand people who desire to do this sort of thing. Why? Just why? There are so many examples of this type of behavior. Another one that just frosts my arse is the loud cars and trucks. What is the reason for that? It certainly must endear you to your neighbors when you come rolling in the driveway.

Slowpoke has it right with the the fantasy of individual freedom. My answer to that is that "your freedom to do as you wish ends at exactly the point where it interferes with my freedom."

Jon

[benb]

I don't get it with the trucks cause trucks are trucks and none of this stuff the modders do make it easier to get a job done with a truck.

I saw a lot of the same behavior with motorcycles back when I was motorcycling, and even did a bit of it myself. There were some legit reasons with motorcycles. No one was ever trying to produce max. pollution like the truck guys though. It was mostly around early 2000s EFI bikes having big driveability issues compared to 1990s carb-equipped bikes. The EFI bikes had tons of trouble with the computer not being able to meter fuel correctly in low throttle situations. They would run super lean for emissions but weren't able to do it as accurately as a car and "buck" when you were trying to transition on/off the throttle. It was super NOT fun on a 400lb bike that made 100+ HP. Partly made worse by the bikes having razor sharp throttle response and no flywheel weight. On top of that the bikes would always be on the verge of overheating in traffic cause they were running so lean, and you were sitting on the engine. Also the bikes were not emissions tested at inspection so there was almost no way you were getting caught, and if you used it judiciously it might have passed emissions anyway. This stuff was around making little single digit % changes to the emissions mapping at certain throttle/RPM settings. The emissions tests weren't necessarily testing on/off throttle behavior even if someone did test the bike. Nobody was trying to make their bike blow fuel out the exhaust.

[redir]

That's so awesome. Truly brings a smile to my face. I only hope that it is enough of a fine to drive them out of business.

Agree with redir that I just cannot understand people who desire to do this sort of thing. Why? Just why? There are so many examples of this type of behavior. Another one that just frosts my arse is the loud cars and trucks. What is the reason for that? It certainly must endear you to your neighbors when you come rolling in the driveway.

Slowpoke has it right with the the fantasy of individual freedom. My answer to that is that "your freedom to do as you wish ends at exactly the point where it interferes with my freedom."

Jon

That drives me crazy too and reminds me of when I worked in Eastern Kentucky as a geologist in the 90's. Every freakin' pickup truck had one of those annoying glass pack mufflers or what ever it was. It was like a right of passage to Eastern KY manhood or something. I'd be working high up off the valley floor in these beautiful mountains that were rattling with the sound of those things in the tight valleys. No concern at all for all the innocent animals that share the same environment, the neighbors didn't seem to care.

[unterhausen]

speaking of noise pollution, motorcycles can be horrible. One time a guy on a motorcycle passed me, and I caught him at a stop sign. He waved me around, and I realized why when he took off. Even at a distance it was incredibly loud. I'm really glad I wasn't behind him at the stop sign. don't think there is widespread desire to do anything about that though. Although I vaguely recall the Orange County chopper guys getting in trouble with the law somewhere.

[Dead Man]

It's hard to imagine the quality of the character (or the small size of the...) of a person (lets face it of a man) who would want to modify a diesel engine to what? Troll leebruls?

Well now all I can say is.

https://i2.wp.com/brightestyoungthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Simpsons-nelson-ha-ha-93-p-672x480.jpg

the world will never know, because they are ****ing chicken**** cowards you couldnt pay to get out of the truck.

id never been rolled coal upon until this last year, and its happened a few times now. my standard response is to throw my arms up and wave for em to pull over... they never do. the last one, my girlfriend and i were riding waaaay out in the sticks (our local neighborhood, mind you) and this white f350 King Ranch with a 25' lift made a pitiful attempt to roll coal... i gave him my standard response and he actually stopped in the middle of the road. i took off at a full sprint, ready to make him eat his exhaust but noticed he wasnt getting out of the truck, so i stopped about 20' behind him and got off the bike, shouting at him to gtfo and face me like a man.. apparently he'd had no intention of actually getting out of the truck.. i think he thought id ride all the way up and he'd blow more smoke at me or something. he revved up a couple times, failed to burn out and drove off with me in possession of his man card.

its pretty incredible how cowardly these dudes are.. ive hurled the foulest of insults, violated my own rule against questioning sexuality as a weapon, attacked their manhood... nothing ever gets them out of the truck.

how do you feel about yourself when you commit an act of bullyism against someone you presumably feel superior to, and then bow out when that-spandex-wearing-faggot calls you out? its gotta sting. i mean it probably aches the soul for a few days, to bitch out so hard.

theres some satisfaction in that.

[Elefantino]

Good. Having been coal-rolled, I applaud this.

Flocking chickenshots ...

[nesteel]

the world will never know, because they are ****ing chicken**** cowards you couldnt pay to get out of the truck.

id never been rolled coal upon until this last year, and its happened a few times now. my standard response is to throw my arms up and wave for em to pull over... they never do. the last one, my girlfriend and i were riding waaaay out in the sticks (our local neighborhood, mind you) and this white f350 King Ranch with a 25' lift made a pitiful attempt to roll coal... i gave him my standard response and he actually stopped in the middle of the road. i took off at a full sprint, ready to make him eat his exhaust but noticed he wasnt getting out of the truck, so i stopped about 20' behind him and got off the bike, shouting at him to gtfo and face me like a man.. apparently he'd had no intention of actually getting out of the truck.. i think he thought id ride all the way up and he'd blow more smoke at me or something. he revved up a couple times, failed to burn out and drove off with me in possession of his man card.

its pretty incredible how cowardly these dudes are.. ive hurled the foulest of insults, violated my own rule against questioning sexuality as a weapon, attacked their manhood... nothing ever gets them out of the truck.

how do you feel about yourself when you commit an act of bullyism against someone you presumably feel superior to, and then bow out when that-spandex-wearing-faggot calls you out? its gotta sting. i mean it probably aches the soul for a few days, to bitch out so hard.

theres some satisfaction in that.

You sir, are a prime candidate to end up on the evening news as an assault victim. I hope you ride with a camera, that way you can at least give it to the authorities so they can attempt to id the idiots who thump you.
You said it hasn't happened yet, but if you keep pressing that style of interaction, your just playing the odds.

Coal rolling, flat bill hat wearin', two story tall truck drivin' dipsticks are a scourge to be sure, but they'll fade out.

As for "loud" cars, I guess I'm just not that old yet. I can still appreciate a nice piece of machinery with a healthy exhaust note.

[OtayBW]

This is almost impossible to prosecute unless you've got a witness and a licence plate. Glad to see this.

[nesteel]

Defeating any pollution control device has always been illegal. These tools were just dumb enough to put it on TV.

[CAAD]

Defeating any pollution control device has always been illegal. These tools were just dumb enough to put it on TV.

Here in Florida we have zero inspections. It's the wild West when it comes to modding trucks and cars. Plenty of dbags rolling coal. The new thing now is the deceleration pops and crackles on the ricer cars, ear piercingly loud.

[benb]

https://popula.com/2019/02/24/about-face/

This is bordering on political but this is a great informational comic I saw a few weeks ago that deals with the forces at play that have led to stuff like Coal Rolling. I’d almost think the artist drew his truck driving dudes to look like the defendants in the OP.

[sitzmark]

the world will never know, because they are ****ing chicken**** cowards you couldnt pay to get out of the truck.
...
its pretty incredible how cowardly these dudes are.. ive hurled the foulest of insults, violated my own rule against questioning sexuality as a weapon, attacked their manhood... nothing ever gets them out of the truck.

Unless you're the biggest/"baddest" and enjoy confrontation, I encourage you to consider such encounters with some thought toward all the possible outcomes. Maybe indicative of those you've had contact with to date, or maybe the norm for the local "tribe", but I assure you they are not all harmless.

About all I will say is that in my youth (early teens-1970's) my parents moved from CO to the South and I got a good education in "rebel culture" that fits right in with the coal rolling mindset. A way of giving the finger to society that is trying to take away their way of life as they see it.

A friend from a very well-off family, for whatever reason, became enamored with a rebellious, semi-pro football, power lifting crowd and therefore so did I tangentially. No question some of them are coal rollers today ... if they aren't dead. I don't profess to understand it, but do know the environment. Wasn't just the 275-350+lbs guys shooting for 500lb bench lifts, but they were the alphas. A "fun" night for them was provoking a fight in which someone got "jacked up". On rare occasion it was one of them ... most of the time not. Hospital time did happen. Did I say they thought that was fun?

Decide if you're prepared to live in that world if you stare the wrong person down.

[Dekonick]

Unless you're the biggest/"baddest" and enjoy confrontation, I encourage you to consider such encounters with some thought toward all the possible outcomes. Maybe indicative of those you've had contact with to date, or maybe the norm for the local "tribe", but I assure you they are not all harmless.

About all I will say is that in my youth (early teens-1970's) my parents moved from CO to the South and I got a good education in "rebel culture" that fits right in with the coal rolling mindset. A way of giving the finger to society that is trying to take away their way of life as they see it.

A friend from a very well-off family, for whatever reason, became enamored with a rebellious, semi-pro football, power lifting crowd and therefore so did I tangentially. No question some of them are coal rollers today ... if they aren't dead. I don't profess to understand it, but do know the environment. Wasn't just the 275-350+lbs guys shooting for 500lb bench lifts, but they were the alphas. A "fun" night for them was provoking a fight in which someone got "jacked up". On rare occasion it was one of them ... most of the time not. Hospital time did happen. Did I say they thought that was fun?

Decide if you're prepared to live in that world if you stare the wrong person down.

In the same community with the coal roller lives the sweet lady who makes home made pie. The bell curve will always have outliers. I would no sooner count a coal roller as representative of any particular population than I would a heroin addict. Both are on the tail of the bell curve (we hope!) and I don't really want to mess with either one. I suppose we can try to understand culturally why people end up on the fringe, and just know that the cheap thrill someone gets from spewing carbon waste is the result of a sad life. Can you imagine a life where your only pleasures revolved around such simple vices? While coughing, cursing, and thinking evil thoughs, I am also reminded how shallow a life that person must live. :cool:

[charliedid]

It's of course pathetic but I still for some reason find it just the tiniest bit funny.

I can't explain...

[bigbill]

The second weekend after I moved to NE Texas in 2012, I was riding on US 82, which has a great shoulder with a rumble strip on the fog line, when a guy slowed down to roll coal on me. He was driving slightly faster than me and I was doing around 20 mph. I was on a shoulder, he was on a highway with a 70 mph speed limit. The wind took care of most of the smoke before the guy drove off. Immediately after him was a Texas State Trooper who pulled him over, thankfully into a parking lot. He got a ticket for an exhibition of acceleration, reckless driving, and some kind of emissions violation. In the six years I spent living there, that was the only occurrence.

[54ny77]

Punishment should have been to duct tape their mouths over one of their modified vehicles, then roll some coal.

Karma.

[Dead Man]

You sir, are a prime candidate to end up on the evening news as an assault victim. I hope you ride with a camera, that way you can at least give it to the authorities so they can attempt to id the idiots who thump you.
You said it hasn't happened yet, but if you keep pressing that style of interaction, your just playing the odds.

Coal rolling, flat bill hat wearin', two story tall truck drivin' dipsticks are a scourge to be sure, but they'll fade out.

As for "loud" cars, I guess I'm just not that old yet. I can still appreciate a nice piece of machinery with a healthy exhaust note.

do you think i yell to pull over so i can give a good scolding?

[redir]

the world will never know, because they are ****ing chicken**** cowards you couldnt pay to get out of the truck.

id never been rolled coal upon until this last year, and its happened a few times now. my standard response is to throw my arms up and wave for em to pull over... they never do. the last one, my girlfriend and i were riding waaaay out in the sticks (our local neighborhood, mind you) and this white f350 King Ranch with a 25' lift made a pitiful attempt to roll coal... i gave him my standard response and he actually stopped in the middle of the road. i took off at a full sprint, ready to make him eat his exhaust but noticed he wasnt getting out of the truck, so i stopped about 20' behind him and got off the bike, shouting at him to gtfo and face me like a man.. apparently he'd had no intention of actually getting out of the truck.. i think he thought id ride all the way up and he'd blow more smoke at me or something. he revved up a couple times, failed to burn out and drove off with me in possession of his man card.

its pretty incredible how cowardly these dudes are.. ive hurled the foulest of insults, violated my own rule against questioning sexuality as a weapon, attacked their manhood... nothing ever gets them out of the truck.

how do you feel about yourself when you commit an act of bullyism against someone you presumably feel superior to, and then bow out when that-spandex-wearing-faggot calls you out? its gotta sting. i mean it probably aches the soul for a few days, to bitch out so hard.

theres some satisfaction in that.

When I was younger I was like you but I am no longer. It's not worth it. And honestly what changed my ways, aside from just getting older, was the realization that is EXACTLY what they want from you. Before the Internet there were still trolls but no one knew what to call them, but they were trolls. Their sole purpose for their behavior is to get you riled up, that's all. So if you get mad they win. The worst thing you can do to a troll is ignore them. They hate that more then anything.

In fact I remember the last incident I had like that with a pickup truck. It was actually pretty funny. This guy came right up along side me and blew his horn and moved like he was going to push me off the road. So I flipped him off and started the sprint. Man! can you sprint when you are full of rage can't ya? I'm not even a sprinter but for those times. Anyway the truck stops in the road adn the guy actually gets out and I'm thinking ok here we go...

He must of been about 80 years old LOL. And he was just as fired up as I was. And here I was 30 years old or something about to pummel an 80 year old man. That's when it kind of hit me. And I had to hand it to the guy he still had the fire in him that's for sure. We ended up talking it out.

So I would encourage you to think about it.

[Tony]

It's of course pathetic but I still for some reason find it just the tiniest bit funny.

I can't explain...

It is pathetic, glad you said it first as I have had a laugh or two from seeing it in action. "rollin coal is pollution porn for dudes with pick up trucks"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxgz6rOI_c

[Red Tornado]

Living in central Texas, I've been the victim of diesel's rolling coal a lot - as have many in our local club. Especially when riding solo, I don't do anything but keep riding. Maybe adjust speed if it will help keep me out of the smoke. My main objective is to get back home to my wife in one piece. If I don't give them the reaction thy're looking for, they will hopefully lose interest. I know that's not the case 100%, but is with some.

This happened a long time ago, but..... I work with a handful of "rednecks" who I found out over time were coal-rollers. They used to brag about it at work. They were really shocked to find out one of their process engineers, who is out on the floor/equipment with them every day, was "one of them bike ridin' fags". We all work well together and I even see them at the dirt track when I go to watch the sprint cars a few times during the summer. They had no idea I was a cyclist. One day I point blank asked them if they ever thought about the cyclists viewpoint when they were rolling. Already knew the answer. One of the guys later on even said, "I feel kinda bad now for doing it." I told them that IMO most male cyclists are "real men" and that's just their form of exercise and/or hobby and there's a reason we wear the clothes we do. Even had a conversation with one guy about the Tour and explained how they ride for 3 weeks in all conditions, and when hurt, etc. Unfortunately, a lot of us will never have the opportunity to have these kind of conversations with these guys. I think some would react positively, as did my co-workers, and some probably would not. Went through kind of the same thing with another guy at work who liked to turn his big dogs loose on cyclists who rode by his house.

Regarding challenging the diesel boys to go at it; tread lightly. A few of the guys I mentioned above will absolutely exit that truck. Most of these cats have been in their fare share of scrapes and one is ex-military and he don't play around. Another will probably come out with a baseball bat (if you're lucky), or the .44 or 30-06. I'm def not condoning that kind of behavior, but in certain places it's the reality. Not the reality I want to be on the receiving end of. The law can become involved at some point, but probably after the damage is already done. Not worth the risk IMO.

[Mr. Pink]

Sounds like another pardon on the list.

[Keith A]

I've had this happen to me on quite a few times, and I'm happy to see these guys getting slammed with a big fine. As redir stated, what type of person thinks it's funny to not only pollute the environment, but cover someone in their exhaust fumes :mad:

[unterhausen]

I think my business of selling add-on smoke generators for Priuses should be okay, at least from EPA fines. I suspect the number of Priuses that have been the victims of coal rolling almost surely outnumbers cyclists.

[PeregrineA1]

In order to ride from Orange County to San Diego one option for crossing MCB Camp Pendleton is to ride across the base. For several years I was a contractor on base. I watched one of the young jarheads in a lifted Dodge roll coal on a group of cyclists riding on the designated bike route across the base. I was in my truck (a diesel no less, love my truck) and followed him back to his barracks. Noted the location and then went and found an MP. An MP who happened to be a cyclist....gave the MP the info and my observation. The MP assured me that the young man would lose his driving privileges among other things once his CO got word of the incident. I was satisfied.


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[9tubes]

The world is full of all types of people, and sometimes we don't get a chance to actually find out. Other times people show their true colors.

I actually like it when the coal rolling idiots raise their hand and announce to the world that they are unrepentant jerks. To me it's just like those guys who display a confederate flag to announce that they are small-minded racists.

At least I know what I'm dealing with. I just say thanks and wave.

[donevwil]

In order to ride from Orange County to San Diego one option for crossing MCB Camp Pendleton is to ride across the base. For several years I was a contractor on base. I watched one of the young jarheads in a lifted Dodge roll coal on a group of cyclists riding on the designated bike route across the base. I was in my truck (a diesel no less, love my truck) and followed him back to his barracks. Noted the location and then went and found an MP. An MP who happened to be a cyclist....gave the MP the info and my observation. The MP assured me that the young man would lose his driving privileges among other things once his CO got word of the incident. I was satisfied.


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Thank you, happened to me in '92.

[Dead Man]

When I was younger I was like you but I am no longer. It's not worth it. And honestly what changed my ways, aside from just getting older, was the realization that is EXACTLY what they want from you. Before the Internet there were still trolls but no one knew what to call them, but they were trolls. Their sole purpose for their behavior is to get you riled up, that's all. So if you get mad they win. The worst thing you can do to a troll is ignore them. They hate that more then anything.

In fact I remember the last incident I had like that with a pickup truck. It was actually pretty funny. This guy came right up along side me and blew his horn and moved like he was going to push me off the road. So I flipped him off and started the sprint. Man! can you sprint when you are full of rage can't ya? I'm not even a sprinter but for those times. Anyway the truck stops in the road adn the guy actually gets out and I'm thinking ok here we go...

He must of been about 80 years old LOL. And he was just as fired up as I was. And here I was 30 years old or something about to pummel an 80 year old man. That's when it kind of hit me. And I had to hand it to the guy he still had the fire in him that's for sure. We ended up talking it out.

So I would encourage you to think about it.

oh man - i had the same thing happen years ago. was doing my "night circuit" on an empty industrial road at like 11pm, and this dude in some (beautiful) old hot rod pulls up along side me and then floors it so loud i felt my eardrums rattling... i took off after him and caught up to him at a stop sign a mile down the road. i dropped my bike as he opened the door and got out- dude was no less than 75 years old, looked exactly like santa claus, AND had some like 15 year old kid in the car with him looking super embarrassed. i just had this flash in my head of being on the news for manslaughter when the dude dropped dead of a heart attack.. we exchanged some pointless words and left without violence.

seems only dudes w one foot in the grave stop. makes sense.

[redir]

LOL! Funny.

[jtbadge]

https://popula.com/2019/02/24/about-face/

This is bordering on political but this is a great informational comic I saw a few weeks ago that deals with the forces at play that have led to stuff like Coal Rolling. I’d almost think the artist drew his truck driving dudes to look like the defendants in the OP.

this is a really eye opening rundown of how this segment of the culture has developed. deeply ingrained fragile masculinity, traumatic stress of war, white nationalism, untreated mental health issues - a lot of factors at work here.

[azrider]

They didn't make a bypass so that guys could roll coal more. They did it because the DPF filter gets super clogged on a diesel engine after 30000 miles and to fix it is like $5000. The bypass they made is $500.

Dave Sparks (Heavy D) and Diesel Dave, affectionately called Diesel Brothers are doing great things in the diesel industry. They're making crazy advances in diesel technology, and created the first Diesel Monster truck. They even made a diesel bicycle which they donated to Juvenile Diabetes Foundation to auction off.

They've also publicly admonished those who do "coal rolling" and fired one of their employees who posted a video of himself rolling coal on a Prius.

https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60143296_1608362759296336_1874889207663558656_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=IqICUTrushIAX_e2t5N&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-2.fna&oh=517cd8535a984afd217f067d17623d16&oe=5E933192



A few years ago there was an Instagram post of a Mexican dad who was getting berated and bullied by some good ole boys because the dad's truck had broken down and he couldn't move a trailer in time. The Diesel brothers saw the video and surprised the dad with a new truck. I became forever fan.

The Bro Doser is their Monster truck name and when they were here for Monster Jam we got pit passes and got to hang with them the day before the race. They're some of the nicest guys I've ever met and they were very sweet with our 5 and 3 year old. Needless to say Bro Doser is my boys favorite truck.

the video of the dad getting harassed is pretty tough to stomach........:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VxBOGTedJU

[redir]

Well there is two sides to every story then isn't there. Why did they make those modifications then?

[azrider]

Well there is two sides to every story then isn't there. Why did they make those modifications then?

I mentioned that in first line of my post.

Diesel engines DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) get clogged and after 30,000 miles need to be replaced. They're super costly like $5,000 to $10,000.

What they created costs $500.

[redir]

I mentioned that in first line of my post.

Diesel engines DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) get clogged and after 30,000 miles need to be replaced. They're super costly like $5,000 to $10,000.

What they created costs $500.

Ah got ya, thanks.

[skiezo]

In addition to the loss of vision, coal rolling can trigger a life threatening asthma attack for sensitive individuals. This is not innocent child's play.

There is a case in PA were an older cyclist was go-pro'ing his ride and had this happen to him and he went into a bad asthma attack brought on the smoke.
He crashed do to the incident and is suing the truck owner as well as the company that modded the truck.
He had the plate # on his gopro as well as all the thick black smoke.

[Mark McM]

They didn't make a bypass so that guys could roll coal more. They did it because the DPF filter gets super clogged on a diesel engine after 30000 miles and to fix it is like $5000. The bypass they made is $500.

So, the takeaway here is that it is okay to break federal laws and to pollute the air that everyone breathes, if it saves you money? The trial judge didn't buy that excuse, and neither should we. If these guys wanted to "do great things in the diesel industry" in regard to these filters, then they create a filter which is cheaper or lasts longer.

When someone buys a diesel engine, they need to take into account all the operating costs, including whatever expensive maintenance items may be needed. High maintenance costs are no excuse to cause harm to others with excess pollution.

[9tubes]

They didn't make a bypass so that guys could roll coal more. They did it because the DPF filter gets super clogged on a diesel engine after 30000 miles and to fix it is like $5000. The bypass they made is $500.


I'm no diesel mechanic but I can check parts prices at Autozone. DPF for a F250 is $1700-2100. This was a 30 sec. check with Google, I would guess that like everything there are less expensive ways to get the parts.

www.autozone.com/fuel-delivery/diesel-particulate-filter/ford/f250-super-duty

They must be pretty easy to replace, being under the (lifted) truck and nothing in the way.

The story sounds like an excuse. It strikes me as more likely that the diesel bro crowd modifies the trucks to run a rich mixture for more power and to spew particulates, then they complain that the DPF gets clogged, so then they remove the DPF and it spews even more particulates. Yee-haw! Loud and smokey!



:rolleyes:

[9tubes]

Oooh, research is fun. Here's a F250 DPF for only $1050:

www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/filters-16470/diesel-particulate-filter-19696/ee5a1f74b9f9/2008/ford/f-250-super-duty

And it turns out that Ford has a cleaning process:

https://youtu.be/Z5Jomj3joVA

[Gummee]

The best thing you can do is smile and wave. They're LOOKING for you to get mad.

It's hard, but the more you react, the more they'll do it.

M

[Keith A]

The best thing you can do is smile and wave. They're LOOKING for you to get mad.

It's hard, but the more you react, the more they'll do it.

MThis is the key...but like you said, it's hard not to react.

[rockdude]

I mentioned that in first line of my post.

Diesel engines DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) get clogged and after 30,000 miles need to be replaced. They're super costly like $5,000 to $10,000.

What they created costs $500.

You make this sound like all DPF's get clogged at 30K. If they do get clogged, its a malfunction. Diesels with DPF have regeneration modes which clean the filters.

[Red Tornado]

This is the key...but like you said, it's hard not to react.

The best thing you can do is smile and wave. They're LOOKING for you to get mad.

It's hard, but the more you react, the more they'll do it.

M

Yes to both.

[jemoryl]

Maybe if those clowns with their jacked up trucks spent a bit less on blacking out their windows, buying giant tires, exhaust stacks and death head decals they could afford a DPF?

[charliedid]

Maybe if those clowns with their jacked up trucks spent a bit less on blacking out their windows, buying giant tires, exhaust stacks and death head decals they could afford a DPF?

You should reach out to them and offer your financial and budgeting expertise.

[Tony]

The best thing you can do is smile and wave. They're LOOKING for you to get mad.

It's hard, but the more you react, the more they'll do it.

M

Yea, seen this in action. Several years ago in Amador County on a climb to Daffodil Hill. There were half a dozen riders taking up the road. A truck pulled up to us and revved the engine a couple times wanting to pass. I moved over, a couple riders did not and the truck rolled coal on the whole lot. I moved to the left as he did this to avoid the smoke. The truck slowed down ahead, moving slowly. One rider was furious, seeing red! He went on pursuit wanting to get the licence plate number and I followed. There are a lot of sharp blind corners on this steep climb and I could hear the two dudes in the truck talking, just parked around the corner. It was hard for them to finish a sentence as they were trying not to laugh. I knew it was coming as we went around the corner they blasted us again but this time it was from a distance as they drove off.
This really f..k up this guys day in a big way. I found his reaction more entertaining.

[nickl]

You should reach out to them and offer your financial and budgeting expertise.

Honestly? Have you ever had a discussion with one of these individuals? Most that I’ve spoken with couldn’t comprehend even the most remedial financial or budgeting discussion.

[rallizes]

The best thing you can do is smile and wave. They're LOOKING for you to get mad.

It's hard, but the more you react, the more they'll do it.

M

i like to blow a kiss

they love that

[Gummee]

i like to blow a kiss

they love that

If I yell anything, I'll yell 'I love you too!' ...while smiling and waving.

About the only reaction other than the smile and wave is a sad shake of the head like you Mom used to do when you screwed up and she was ashamed of you.

M

[p nut]

They didn't make a bypass so that guys could roll coal more. They did it because the DPF filter gets super clogged on a diesel engine after 30000 miles and to fix it is like $5000. The bypass they made is $500.

Dave Sparks (Heavy D) and Diesel Dave, affectionately called Diesel Brothers are doing great things in the diesel industry. They're making crazy advances in diesel technology, and created the first Diesel Monster truck. They even made a diesel bicycle which they donated to Juvenile Diabetes Foundation to auction off.

They've also publicly admonished those who do "coal rolling" and fired one of their employees who posted a video of himself rolling coal on a Prius.

A few years ago there was an Instagram post of a Mexican dad who was getting berated and bullied by some good ole boys because the dad's truck had broken down and he couldn't move a trailer in time. The Diesel brothers saw the video and surprised the dad with a new truck. I became forever fan.

The Bro Doser is their Monster truck name and when they were here for Monster Jam we got pit passes and got to hang with them the day before the race. They're some of the nicest guys I've ever met and they were very sweet with our 5 and 3 year old. Needless to say Bro Doser is my boys favorite truck.

the video of the dad getting harassed is pretty tough to stomach........:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VxBOGTedJU


Fortunately, you don’t have to live 1/2 hr from these bozos, in a state with more red air quality days than most western states combined, and rivals California on the worst days. I couldn’t care less what self-promoting act they did to merely gain publicity. They broke the law and in a state where air quality is a very hot topic (if not, the topic) at almost every legislative session.

Sorry, breathing > saving you few $.

[Black Dog]

Fortunately, you don’t have to live 1/2 hr from these bozos, in a state with more red air quality days than most western states combined, and rivals California on the worst days. I couldn’t care less what self-promoting act they did to merely gain publicity. They broke the law and in a state where air quality is a very hot topic (if not, the topic) at almost every legislative session.

Sorry, breathing > saving you few $.

I agree. Good people do bad things and are still good but should still be held fully accountable. The big truck, bigger diesel truck, lifestyle they are promoting is not necessarily a good one. one person driving a massive vehicle as a lifestyle and not for a work purpose is wasteful and unnecessary. 98% of these trucks don't tow or haul much more than the driver. Air pollution is real and it does shorten peoples lives.

[Gummee]

I agree. Good people do bad things and are still good but should still be held fully accountable. The big truck, bigger diesel truck, lifestyle they are promoting is not necessarily a good one. one person driving a massive vehicle as a lifestyle and not for a work purpose is wasteful and unnecessary. 98% of these trucks don't tow or haul much more than the driver. Air pollution is real and it does shorten peoples lives.

Says the guy riding a kid's toy on public roads and getting in everyone's way...

What one person sees as unnecessary and harmful may or may not be the way another person sees it.

Just sayin

M

[JohnnyBoston]

you should reach out to them and offer your financial and budgeting expertise.


:d

[gemship]

The only good thing about this virus is closing factories which should improve air qualities? Not to mention closing more venues and forcing coal rolling knuckleheads to park their wheels more.

[gemship]

Says the guy riding a kid's toy on public roads and getting in everyone's way...

What one person sees as unnecessary and harmful may or may not be the way another person sees it.

Just sayin

M

Yeah I get it but C'mon on man get real. Blackdog made a great point.

[unterhausen]

I'm no diesel mechanic but I can check parts prices at Autozone. DPF for a F250 is $1700-2100. This was a 30 sec. check with Google, I would guess that like everything there are less expensive ways to get the parts.

The story sounds like an excuse. It strikes me as more likely that the diesel bro crowd modifies the trucks to run a rich mixture for more power and to spew particulates, then they complain that the DPF gets clogged, so then they remove the DPF and it spews even more particulates. Yee-haw! Loud and smokey!

You can't coal roll with a DPF, the smoke is all particulates. I did some work on DPF control systems, but that was back before they put them in consumer vehicles. The main complaint about them on big trucks is that burning off the particulates costs fuel mileage. But these guys are criminals, no two ways about it. The trucks themselves are an anti-social statement of toxic masculinity. The number of people that actually use a truck for its original purpose is a minority of truck owners.

[goonster]

You can't coal roll with a DPF, the smoke is all particulates.

This.

The trucks are modified for higher boost and richer fuel mapping, which makes more power but results in the huge soot clouds of unburned carbon. The DPF doesn't clog unless the truck is heavily modified and driven by a jackass.

Targeting cyclists and Miata drivers might not be cool anymore, but the soot clouds are very much a part of diesel truck culture. That's why you see those massive vertical exhaust stacks out of the bed, hood, etc. Absolutely no point in doing that unless you regularly have a highly visible exhaust stream.

Defeating any federally mandated emissions equipment is a crime, but hot rod culture is fairly normalized in the U.S., there are exemptions for many vehicles, and law enforcement generally turns a blind eye if you keep a low profile and don't annoy your tax-paying, church-going neighbors too much. These guys built a business promoting pollution as a lifestyle brand, on television.

[Black Dog]

Says the guy riding a kid's toy on public roads and getting in everyone's way...

What one person sees as unnecessary and harmful may or may not be the way another person sees it.

Just sayin

M

Well that's one view of bicycles. Kid's toy. I guess a jacked up pick up would be a kids toy then as well. Let's be honest. Both are when used to persue a life style and neither are when used for utility.

However our fantasies are acted out they do have consequences. Particulate and smog forming pollution are not matters of perspective or a persons way of seeing things. Ask the person who dies on a respirator suffocating. People's rights and freedoms have limits and individuals can't always be allowed to act in ways that harm others.

[benb]

It's BS that these guys "contributed" anything.

Anything they have done has already been done better by the engineers at the auto companies who actually know what they're doing and rejected because it had too many bad side effects.

The financial argument is hilarious too. You can pay for your DPF replacement if and when it fails a lot easier if you didn't bury yourself in a $50k diesel truck that you can't afford and took out a huge loan on and then spent a ton more lifting it and adding tons of aftermarket farkles and so on and so forth.

[9tubes]

The trucks themselves are an anti-social statement of toxic masculinity.

Toxic, yes. Masculine? Not so much. Real men don't play dress-up tough guy. These DieselDorks are closer to The Village People than to John Wayne's characters. Nothing more than posers. At least The Village People were in on their own joke.

The intro music for the Diesel Brothers TV show should have been "macho, macho man...I want to be a macho man..."