Modern Classic Looking Black Groupset?

[Jeckel30]

I know classic, modern, and black don’t really go hand in hand in a groupset but I am hoping to pull a build together that can maybe come close. Or at least as close as it can be.

What do you consider to be a good looking black groupset? It seems like most cranks these days are fairly chunky and can look out of place on a build skewing a little more retro. For example below, the IF bike looks great overall, but for me, the Ultegra parts look a little out of place. The Ritchey Road Logic looks better but I am not sure which Sram crankset it is. Possibly custom chain rings? Also I am not in love with the large Sram branding, but could learn to overlook it. I am hoping to stick to 11 speed.

Is there a stock option I am missing? Would it better to cobble together something more custom?

[jtbadge]

The Ritchey has a Force 22 crankset with aftermarket chainrings.

I like Ultegra 6800 or DA9000. Will look good on almost any frame, though obviously the crank isn't for everyone.

https://www.pedalroom.com/p/merckx-mx-leader-29250_15.jpg


Praxis Alba or Zayante crank might fit your needs. Relatively understated for a modern crank. No BB for Italian threading, though, if that is a concern. (Also I have an Alba to spare in the classifieds for cheap)

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/21/2019/03/br_01808-1534949845842-1tk3hg5mj57ac-96b2455.jpg?quality=90&resize=960%2C540

[zambenini]

I love my Zayante, but it was expensive. Why not just snag a Record group and be done with it? If you're going to spend on parts and the looks matter, I think that's the smart money. :)

[cgolvin]

Love my Praxis Zayante crankset, many chainring options too.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=2630147&postcount=25

[AngryScientist]

here's Angry's vote:

crank:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53cd4a66e4b0216897ed1b86/1475796184076-QH0PURU45J48QHC5NZMP/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDIknXToWi1yLwrSZiAGo117gQa3H7 8H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLf rh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0k6sq9GEl9ZUDkp1sRKcAyJ LWJI4aK8V-Sr0zH2L5DNbuT-PQXSjIJWg_c-kv1XGTg/DSC03025.JPG

+ a Potenza black group.



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[AngryScientist]

i would also agree that the crankset is probably the first thing that grabs your eye and sets the tone for the vibe of a group on a particular bike.

[Lanternrouge]

I agree with Angry that Potenza is the best looking 11 speed black groupset you can get. While you can still get 11 speed Chorus and Record, Potenza costs a lot less and it's black rather than carbon.

[colker]

here's Angry's vote:

crank:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/53cd4a66e4b0216897ed1b86/1475796184076-QH0PURU45J48QHC5NZMP/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDIknXToWi1yLwrSZiAGo117gQa3H7 8H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLf rh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0k6sq9GEl9ZUDkp1sRKcAyJ LWJI4aK8V-Sr0zH2L5DNbuT-PQXSjIJWg_c-kv1XGTg/DSC03025.JPG


Great photo. The WI crank is already a classic.

[joosttx]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49414729378_5e14b62b0f_b.jpg

Axs with a quart power meter crank.

bolts are a bit colorful, though.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49414779298_04e077e0f2_b.jpg

[FlashUNC]

If Campagnolo 12 speed is too brutalist for you, then Campagnolo Rev + 11 speed.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1545/25073669085_7e21bba612_o.jpg

[vincenz]

Campy 11 with 5 arm crank is all you need.

[joosttx]

Campy 12

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49409527601_b1a86fe120_b.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49409682122_31e5eb666b_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49409257983_2159ae06fa_b.jpg

[joosttx]

If Campagnolo 12 speed is too brutalist for you, then Campagnolo Rev + 11 speed.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1545/25073669085_7e21bba612_o.jpg

hey bud, there are holes in that chainstay... :banana:

[Old School]

Campy 11 with 5 arm crank is all you need.

Campy 11 with 5 arm crank is all you need.

[joosttx]

Sram Axs Eagle 00


https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49446249592_ae16c2de6d_h.jpg

[shoota]

In my opinion if you're looking for a black crankset that is vintage-esque then it rules out anything less than 5 arm cranks. The WI above is a good option. There are also black Ritchey cranks out there that look great. It depends on what frame it's going on.

[Jeckel30]

Campy 11 with 5 arm crank is all you need.

5 arm is definitely a nice looking crank.

[Jeckel30]

I agree with Angry that Potenza is the best looking 11 speed black groupset you can get. While you can still get 11 speed Chorus and Record, Potenza costs a lot less and it's black rather than carbon.

I have thought about Potenza many times. I have Super Record on my Serotta and I might miss being able to dump gears though. I am sure I could get past that though.

[Jeckel30]

The Ritchey has a Force 22 crankset with aftermarket chainrings.

I like Ultegra 6800 or DA9000. Will look good on almost any frame, though obviously the crank isn't for everyone.

https://www.pedalroom.com/p/merckx-mx-leader-29250_15.jpg


Praxis Alba or Zayante crank might fit your needs. Relatively understated for a modern crank. No BB for Italian threading, though, if that is a concern. (Also I have an Alba to spare in the classifieds for cheap)

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/21/2019/03/br_01808-1534949845842-1tk3hg5mj57ac-96b2455.jpg?quality=90&resize=960%2C540

These haven’t crossed my radar. Thanks for posting, they look nice.

[exapkib]

Love the aesthetic under discussion here. I consider that Della Santa one of the most beautiful bikes I've ever seen.

I built a Parlee with Chorus 11 and a Zayante crankset. Loved it.

https://live.staticflickr.com/981/41200922484_bd214d5b00_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25LMuQu)

https://live.staticflickr.com/869/27948321658_d3b66b1bdc_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/JzGsjN)

I'm currently working on a similar build on a new carbon beauty--Ultegra 6800 with the same Praxis crank. Can't wait to get it on the road, though part of me wonders if I'll regret moving back to Shimano . . .

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49441777907_86ec8d565c_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ik133F)

[Dino Suegiù]

Imo the Campagnolo Super Record 11 RS LE is the most beautiful and elegant black groupset ever, whether defined as "classic" or "modern". The WI R30 crankset, while excellent, looks like a very affected 1970's/80's regurgitation (which it actually sort of is) by comparison, in 2020.

Unfortunately the Super Record 11 RS LE is very expensive and no longer easy to find anywhere. But the issue was only the special graphics; Chorus, Record, Super Record groupsets of that same 11s vintage perform just as well, are just as beautiful, and cost significantly less.

https://s1.thcdn.com/productimg/0/960/960/52/10940152-1405758842-742672.jpg

https://cdn-cyclingtips.pressidium.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CampyRS-1.jpg

https://cdn-cyclingtips.pressidium.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CampyRS-16.jpg

[Jeckel30]

Imo the Campagnolo Super Record 11 RS LE is the most beautiful and elegant black groupset ever, whether defined as "classic" or "modern". The WI R30 crankset, while excellent, looks like a very affected 1970's/80's regurgitation (which it actually sort of is) by comparison, in 2020.

Unfortunately the Super Record 11 RS LE is very expensive and no longer easy to find anywhere. But the issue was only the special graphics; Chorus, Record, Super Record groupsets of that same 11s vintage perform just as well, are just as beautiful, and cost significantly less.

https://s1.thcdn.com/productimg/0/960/960/52/10940152-1405758842-742672.jpg

https://cdn-cyclingtips.pressidium.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CampyRS-1.jpg

https://cdn-cyclingtips.pressidium.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CampyRS-16.jpg

Excuse my ignorance of Campagnolo parts but is this(and 5 arm) pre-2015?

[Dino Suegiù]

Excuse my ignorance of Campagnolo parts but is this(and 5 arm) pre-2015?

I believe 2014-2015, the final iteration of 5-arm before Campagnolo switched to 4-arm.
If I am incorrect on the exact dates, OldPotatoe will properly correct.

Beautiful whatever the exact date, in my opinion.

[saab2000]

Shimano’s 9100 groupset looks good today and will look good for years come.

[joosttx]

this is my favorite looking crank. And it fits the bill...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49457985112_1881be23a8_z.jpg

[madsciencenow]

My vote is the WI option but if not that then the 5 arm Campy.


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[sparky33]

These haven’t crossed my radar. Thanks for posting, they look nice.


SRAM Force 22 does a lot right wrt to looking good and working well. Also a great value. Do that.

I have a SRAM Red22 group in my bin (that should be in classifieds), but the larger decals and red accents are less classy than Force.

[Steve in SLO]

For the more Budget-conscious, Veloce 10.
They had it in previous gen shifter shape for an even more classic look

[thwart]

Campy 11 with 5 arm crank is all you need.

True dat.

https://i1.wp.com/vivelevelo.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/MG_8957.jpg?zoom=2&fit=1200%2C800

[Jeckel30]

True dat.

https://i1.wp.com/vivelevelo.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/MG_8957.jpg?zoom=2&fit=1200%2C800

If I want to try and piece a set together, all parts need to be pre-2015? Or will some 2015+ parts play nicely?

[FlashUNC]

Shimano’s 9100 groupset looks good today and will look good for years come.

Assuming that crank doesn't crack.

[Old School]

I have thought about Potenza many times. I have Super Record on my Serotta and I might miss being able to dump gears though. I am sure I could get past that though.
I don't own enough Campagnolo to quite get what you mean.
When I say dump gears, I usually mean to go from big ring to little ring on my CX bike to make a big change quickly
Am I correct in thinking that Super Record (and Record?) can go many more clicks on REAR mech, and thats what you're referring to?

[jtbadge]

Assuming that crank doesn't crack.

Is that a thing?

[thwart]

I don't own enough Campagnolo to quite get what you mean.
When I say dump gears, I usually mean to go from big ring to little ring on my CX bike to make a big change quickly
Am I correct in thinking that Super Record (and Record?) can go many more clicks on REAR mech, and thats what you're referring to?

Higher level Campy shifters can 'dump' up to several cogs (to a more difficult gear) in one move, depending on how firmly you push the thumb button.

A feature, that once you become accustomed to its use, is unpleasant to do without.

[Jeckel30]

Higher level Campy shifters can 'dump' up to several cogs (to a more difficult gear) in one move, depending on how firmly you push the thumb button.

A feature, that once you become accustomed to its use, is unpleasant to do without.

Correct, that was what I was referring to. I am not sure what the exact terminology is.

[FlashUNC]

Is that a thing?

It's so much a thing with the last two generations of Ultegra and Dura Ace cranks there's an entire Instagram account devoted to it.

Those cranks seem to love to delam across the seams on the spider:

https://www.instagram.com/thanksshimano/?hl=en

[jtbadge]

It's so much a thing with the last two generations of Ultegra and Dura Ace cranks there's an entire Instagram account devoted to it.

Those cranks seem to love to delam across the seams on the spider:

https://www.instagram.com/thanksshimano/?hl=en

Huh, the more you know, I guess. Gnarly.

Of the hundreds of thousands of Hollowtech cranks out there, they found 15 failures. That’s pretty committed!

[KarlC]

Take your pick ......


https://i.imgur.com/Zimab8Z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C9efVnP.jpg

[NHAero]

I put a SRAM Red crank on my Firefly because both the Campy and Shimano cranks look so hunky. The rest is Dura Ace 9100 with 9000 calipers.

[merckx]

It's so much a thing with the last two generations of Ultegra and Dura Ace cranks there's an entire Instagram account devoted to it.

Those cranks seem to love to delam across the seams on the spider:

https://www.instagram.com/thanksshimano/?hl=en

Most of those cranks are internally corroded. There must be a breach somewhere for water to enter the arm/spider. Interesting!

[saab2000]

Assuming that crank doesn't crack.

I’ve been using 9000 on several bikes since it was a new item and have had no issues. I’d buy a 9100 groupset without hesitation.

[BRad704]

This whole thread is very dangerously inspiring. :O :banana:

[shoota]

It's so much a thing with the last two generations of Ultegra and Dura Ace cranks there's an entire Instagram account devoted to it.

Those cranks seem to love to delam across the seams on the spider:

https://www.instagram.com/thanksshimano/?hl=en

I should add the pics of my cranks to that IG acct, thanks for the heads up. Shimano has a real problem with these that's going unchecked as far as I can tell.

[saab2000]

I should add the pics of my cranks to that IG acct, thanks for the heads up. Shimano has a real problem with these that's going unchecked as far as I can tell.

Post a picture here. I looked at the IG pics and some are indeed frightening. A catastrophic failure of a crankset could obviously be extremely dangerous.

Like I said, I've never had an issue with mine. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen though.

[EricChanning]

I've used Campy Veloce cranks and brakes with 10 spd Centaur Century grey brake leavers on this Paramount. Campy carbon brake blades could have worked if needed but the dark grey fits well on old steel. I wanted the gear dump capacity that others mentioned so did not go with veloce black shifters. Does 10spd still count as modern here?

[duff_duffy]

Picked up a bike with Campy groupset and these cranks...kinda like the look better than some of the Campy cranks.

[mt2u77]

Campagnolo has the history and reputation that works for a modern classic, so it gets my vote as a proper "groupset" for such an endeavor, but purely on looks I'll take that Praxis crankset.

[Jeckel30]

Picked up a bike with Campy groupset and these cranks...kinda like the look better than some of the Campy cranks.

I think it is a bit of a toss up at the moment between 5 arm campy or this. I suppose it will come down to whatever may be easier to source.

[shoota]

Maybe I'm thick headed but I can't imagine a world where Praxis is preferred over Campagnolo for aesthetics. It just doesn't compute.

[thwart]

Maybe I'm thick headed but I can't imagine a world where Praxis is preferred over Campagnolo for aesthetics. It just doesn't compute.

Agree. I have a Praxis Zayante sub-compact crankset and no... but of course beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

... and the Praxis is certainly easier to source.

https://i.imgur.com/Zimab8Z.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/869/27948321658_d3b66b1bdc_k.jpg

[palincss]

I know classic, modern, and black don’t really go hand in hand in a groupset but I am hoping to pull a build together that can maybe come close. Or at least as close as it can be.

What do you consider to be a good looking black groupset? It seems like most cranks these days are fairly chunky and can look out of place on a build skewing a little more retro. For example below, the IF bike looks great overall, but for me, the Ultegra parts look a little out of place.

Just think how nice that Indy Fab would look with silver parts, perhaps a nice Rene Herse crankset, White Industries hubs... Yes, classic, modern and black do not go hand in hand. Right the first time. Stop there and do the right thing.

[jtbadge]

The new "silver" groupsets all look cheesy. Matte finish and lots of plastic. Just say no.

[Jeckel30]

Agree. I have a Praxis Zayante sub-compact crankset and no... but of course beauty is always in the eye of the beholder.

... and the Praxis is certainly easier to source.

https://i.imgur.com/Zimab8Z.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/869/27948321658_d3b66b1bdc_k.jpg

I also agree. If I went the Praxis route I would most likely pair with a Shimano groupset. I think the cranks would be less distracting than a current Ultegra or Dura Ace crank.

[NHAero]

Part of the classic look is delicate, thin-at-the-edge chainrings. These Praxis rings may shift great but they aren't making it for aesthetics IMO if you're looking for as classic as you can get with black. If I ever wear out the SRAM rings on my Firefly, I'll replace with black TA rings.


Picked up a bike with Campy groupset and these cranks...kinda like the look better than some of the Campy cranks.

[jtbadge]

Part of the classic look is delicate, thin-at-the-edge chainrings. These Praxis rings may shift great but they aren't making it for aesthetics IMO if you're looking for as classic as you can get with black. If I ever wear out the SRAM rings on my Firefly, I'll replace with black TA rings.

Yeah, that's kind of the rub with all of these. Those aftermarket chainrings are often more expensive than complete cranksets too, so it makes it a bit of a pricey experiment.

[Kirk007]

A vote for older Campy or WI. I am on the horns of a similar decision for my Sachs when it gets back from repairs and refinish; it will Have DA 9100/9000 but for the crank, which I just struggle with on a skinny tubed lugged, frame. Most likely going WI as I prefer 180mm and it allows more flexibility with chainrings. And then there's the bottom bracket decision - external or spindle.

[Jeckel30]

Just think how nice that Indy Fab would look with silver parts, perhaps a nice Rene Herse crankset, White Industries hubs... Yes, classic, modern and black do not go hand in hand. Right the first time. Stop there and do the right thing.

I have no issue with silver parts and love them on my classic bikes. My hesitation is that is the route I see on nearly all Club Racers with a just a few exceptions. I tried r7000 105 with carbon wheels and while I like the look I felt it was a bit over the top with the frame. I want to go with something a little less subdued but also modern.

[tuscanyswe]

Just think how nice that Indy Fab would look with silver parts, perhaps a nice Rene Herse crankset, White Industries hubs... Yes, classic, modern and black do not go hand in hand. Right the first time. Stop there and do the right thing.


That IF will still look bitchin with black campy parts imo. Tho im biased..

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48404540571_89b4e01cb6_h.jpg

[EricChanning]

Lovely looking IF!!

[Jeckel30]

That IF will still look bitchin with black campy parts imo. Tho im biased..

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48404540571_89b4e01cb6_h.jpg

Want to sell some parts?:)

I really dig your IF.

[tuscanyswe]

Thanks! its a great great bike.


One of my old ifs are perhaps an even better map for how yours would turn out. I really love this color btw, assume your are the same. Tahithian pearl right?

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3739/9452162335_9e94d7288c_o.png

To bad pic quality is bad but this was super nice irl.

I may actually have an identical group for sale as seen on the green if. Let me ponder for a day or 2 and i can pm you if i decide i want to let it go.

[Jeckel30]

Thanks! its a great great bike.


One of my old ifs are perhaps an even better map for how yours would turn out. I really love this color btw, assume your are the same. Tahithian pearl right?

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3739/9452162335_9e94d7288c_o.png

To bad pic quality is bad but this was super nice irl.

I may actually have an identical group for sale as seen on the green if. Let me ponder for a day or 2 and i can pm you if i decide i want to let it go.

Both of your IF’s are stunners.

Definitely let me know if you decide you can part with it. Would love to put them to use on the IF.

[nobuseri]

Clean setup. Very inspiring all around.

That IF will still look bitchin with black campy parts imo. Tho im biased..



https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48404540571_89b4e01cb6_h.jpg

[nobuseri]

As mentioned before, any Campy black groupset with a 5 arm crank will fit the bill.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200130/6434f82900675ccffe9aca1aaf7e36eb.jpg

[exapkib]

Tuscanyswe and Nobuseri--those are proper builds. So beautiful.

[fbhidy]

here's Angry's vote:

crank: White Industries R30


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/7VSYCG1FYd5ZrQBMx6n0l9elgMNI4D-WWTOR3TkmmS9OTfbhazKrj_WcjHKWuFxaAD2rC5chCNlrI6Yzp af1KhjrNRdrJ0zyRgArUmG6841bVTUPyoAEV59ZtmneAb7OSpo Mzv3znibRGnRCoM5Img7an_00q31wckb2wJUlyiRJLM5rxpnmb wHFu28d6EzWcBRWzaqtmKV_Owg

What bottom bracket are you using if you have a 'BSA' threaded BB? Anyone have experience with those tiny bearings in such a small BB shell?

[colker]

Thing is: a black record or chorus look sexy butPotenza or Centaur not so much. In the age of silver everything looked good from top to bottom of food chain.
I find Potenza cranksets cheap looking and if i am buying a new groupset it will be Potenza.
Sure used it´s cheaper but then it´s about luck: finding the used crankset in the length and the ring config you want.

[ltwtsculler91]

I always thought the latest gen mechanical Red22 with eTap graphics always looked good on a steel frame and built up by KBedford with Red rather than Force because it just looked better


Also went with it on my Reactor, because that bike was all out dreambike, but it just looks great

[Gsinill]

I just picked up a Praxis Alba set from the classifieds here.
Looks great IMHO.

[Jeckel30]

Thing is: a black record or chorus look sexy butPotenza or Centaur not so much. In the age of silver everything looked good from top to bottom of food chain.
I find Potenza cranksets cheap looking and if i am buying a new groupset it will be Potenza.
Sure used it´s cheaper but then it´s about luck: finding the used crankset in the length and the ring config you want.

Agreed. I am not in love with Potenza but it would allow me to build what I want.

Trying to find older Chorus or Record in a 175 50/34 and a rear derailleur that will allow a 32t cassette is proving challenging.

[flying]

I have thought about Potenza many times. I have Super Record on my Serotta and I might miss being able to dump gears though. I am sure I could get past that though.

You would be surprised what a non issue it really is once you try it.

You can rapidly click thru the thumb lever & actually it is quite precise because you know for sure you will not over shoot the gear you want too.

Lastly the drooped thumb levers are comfy from within the drops too ;)

[colker]

You would be surprised what a non issue it really is once you try it.

You can rapidly click thru the thumb lever & actually it is quite precise because you know for sure you will not over shoot the gear you want too.

Lastly the drooped thumb levers are comfy from within the drops too ;)

Power shifting ime has been more precise and comfortable than ultra but i had daytona ultra shifters. Have not tried Record.

[82Picchio]

Modern classic-looking black groupset -- ain't no such thing.

[thwart]

You can rapidly click thru the thumb lever & actually it is quite precise because you know for sure you will not over shoot the gear you want too.

Tried it on a couple of bikes 8-10 yrs ago when PowerShift first came out. You give up brilliant functionality for that 'precision'.

The only time I didn't miss the ability to 'dump' gears is when I was doing cyclocross several yrs ago. I was bouncing around while on the rivet and it was just too tough to calibrate my right thumb's downstroke for one, two or three cogs... otherwise no thanks, I'll pass.

But of course YMMV and all that.

[robt57]

Modern classic-looking black groupset -- ain't no such thing.

Campy kinda was just holding on IMO with the 5 Arm Chainset previous versions. Barely perhaps, but for me it does it.

My fav looking chainset still.

Excuse the uncut steerer and stack, just a staring point. And I will wait until good weather to start using this last build and dial the bars prob 2 CM lower. Ti/Cult SR 11 Speed for me.

http://coupekiss.host-ed.me//images/pics/Machine_Stans.jpg

[colker]

Campy kinda was just holding on IMO with the 5 Arm Chainset previous versions. Barely perhaps, but for me it does it.

My fav looking chainset still.

Excuse the uncut steerer and stack, just a staring point. And I will wait until good weather to start using this last build and dial the bars prob 2 CM lower. Ti/Cult SR 11 Speed for me.

http://coupekiss.host-ed.me//images/pics/Machine_Stans.jpg

Xtra points for the suntour seatpost. NO weight weenies allowed-

[robt57]

Xtra points for the suntour seatpost. NO weight weenies allowed-

Only thing I had that wasn't black. ;) Wanted to pickup the polished stainless rear end/stays. That is a Very New/old Stock XC Pro MTN post, good catch!

It is 17.1 lb as shown.

[duff_duffy]

If anyone has Campy 2015+ Chorus or Record and interested in swapping let me know, I like the look of the Praxis but am thinking of going all Campy on this build.

I think it is a bit of a toss up at the moment between 5 arm campy or this. I suppose it will come down to whatever may be easier to source.