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CDollarsign
12-25-2019, 02:39 PM
Anyone own the new V90 XC? Right now the 2019s are getting blown out and are comparatively priced to the 2020 Outback Touring XT. Drove both cars and they’re nice. Volvo has way more comfy seats and I like the minimalist Scandinavian design but worry about maintenance costs. Not a ton of info out there on V90 reliability so I thought I’d consult the brain trust.
fkelly
12-25-2019, 03:03 PM
Try this link:
https://forums.swedespeed.com/forumdisplay.php?5022-S90-amp-V90-V90CC-(SPA-2017-)
plenty of discussion there. I am curious about the Volvo too, but my 2005 Subaru Legend Wagon keeps running just fine and the 50k I can keep invested has a decent return.
htwoopup
12-25-2019, 03:03 PM
Can’t speak to the V90, the newer stuff but I have a 2014 XC60 that just turned 156,000 miles (commute between north of Montreal and NYC) and a 2016 V60 R-design with about 40,000 on it.
I have had ZERO problems with either except for one thing just now...Only had to replace a battery in the XC60 but after this many years and miles and Quebec winters that is totally ok. The one problem is that I believe that I need to do something to the front passenger side CV boot/axle which it is going in for end of this week. I understand that is a tad pricey (about 800 USD at the dealer, my non-dealer mechanic in NY might be cheaper but I am in snow country now). I also know that to get to this many miles and having to do something to CV boots on any brand AWD is kinda normal. I know I also need to replace the timing belt which is called for by maintenance schedule in Volvos at 150K and a bit pricey.
I was thinking of getting rid of the XC60 as I really don’t need two cars anymore and my mechanic said “Are you out of your mind?That thing ain’t depreciating any more. It’s worth maybe 10 or 11 grand now and you will easily get another 100,000 miles on it before you need to worry.” I’ve never owned a Volvo before and now have two so I don’t know how to answer you but that is what he said. I am very happy with both of mine and how problem free they have been.
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Been riding around in the parent’s 2017 v90 xc. Really nice car. Great place to sit, fairly responsive.
Tickdoc
12-25-2019, 04:13 PM
2016 xc90 owner here ( same platform) and has been good on reliability. It’s my wife’s car with low miles s(35k?) but has been great for us. We had an outback prior (2014) and here’s my take:
The Volvo is much more luxurious than the outback. The switchgear the lights, the seats and the interior fit and finish are better and if you spring for the upgraded stereo it is the bomb.
Having said that, our Subaru was superior in the nvh dept. we have a few rattles from time to time in the Volvo that we’re never there in the Subaru.
Both were roomy and quiet on the highway and both have similar ok performance.
You get a real transmission in the Volvo and the rubber band cvt was always my major gripe with the Subaru. It would take an eternity to shift into gear and bugged me to no end if I ever backed out of a parking space or street.
The lane keeping car sensing cruise control is great in the Volvo and our Subaru predated their system being available.
Reliability was great on both. Don’t break the windshield on the Volvo tho. It is pricey beyond insurance allowed and requires extra calibration for the electronic camera after install.
I would buy either with confidence and best of luck!
soulspinner
12-25-2019, 05:14 PM
Can’t speak to the V90, the newer stuff but I have a 2014 XC60 that just turned 156,000 miles (commute between north of Montreal and NYC) and a 2016 V60 R-design with about 40,000 on it.
I have had ZERO problems with either except for one thing just now...Only had to replace a battery in the XC60 but after this many years and miles and Quebec winters that is totally ok. The one problem is that I believe that I need to do something to the front passenger side CV boot/axle which it is going in for end of this week. I understand that is a tad pricey (about 800 USD at the dealer, my non-dealer mechanic in NY might be cheaper but I am in snow country now). I also know that to get to this many miles and having to do something to CV boots on any brand AWD is kinda normal. I know I also need to replace the timing belt which is called for by maintenance schedule in Volvos at 150K and a bit pricey.
I was thinking of getting rid of the XC60 as I really don’t need two cars anymore and my mechanic said “Are you out of your mind?That thing ain’t depreciating any more. It’s worth maybe 10 or 11 grand now and you will easily get another 100,000 miles on it before you need to worry.” I’ve never owned a Volvo before and now have two so I don’t know how to answer you but that is what he said. I am very happy with both of mine and how problem free they have been.
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Hes right.
dsimon
12-25-2019, 05:15 PM
Buy it I have a 2014 xc70 and a 2015 xc60 you cant go wrong with a volvo
I'll be selling my 2014 XC70 T6 with polestar in the spring.
soulspinner
12-25-2019, 06:42 PM
Buy it I have a 2014 xc70 and a 2015 xc60 you cant go wrong with a volvo
You can but every manufacturer has issues, its how they respond to them. For instance, the 3.2 inline non turbo had issues due to improper piston ring assemblies on thousands of vehicles.
bthornt
12-25-2019, 09:32 PM
I currently own a 2017 V60 Cross Country, and I have also owned a 6 cylinder Outback in the past. The Outback was a very good vehicle, but it wasn't as refined as the Volvo, in particular the transmission.
I had the previous generation Outback with the automatic, not the CVT that I think it is now equipped with. The Outback's auto was shifted very hard, and sometimes when slowing down to the speed where it would downshift into first (for example, pulling into my driveway, slowing down for the garage door to open), I could actually feel the shift like someone kicking the bottom of the driver's seat. I'm not sure about the current generation's transmission, but I'm not a fan of CVTs in general.
The drivetrain of the V60 is great. Turbocharged 2 liter 4 with no lag, 8 speed transmission that is a very smooth shifter, and of course great seats and build quality. Based on my ownership of this Volvo, I can recommend it with no reservations.
akelman
12-25-2019, 10:42 PM
Anyone own the new V90 XC? Right now the 2019s are getting blown out and are comparatively priced to the 2020 Outback Touring XT. Drove both cars and they’re nice. Volvo has way more comfy seats and I like the minimalist Scandinavian design but worry about maintenance costs. Not a ton of info out there on V90 reliability so I thought I’d consult the brain trust.
Looks like the '20 Outback Touring XTs are selling for ~$42k. Where are you seeing '19 V90 XCs for anywhere close to that price? To be clear, I'm not doubting you. I just can't find anything like that price (at least not in California).
CDollarsign
12-25-2019, 10:57 PM
Dealer in central IL is trying to blow out 2019 T5s...
soulspinner
12-26-2019, 06:23 AM
Dealer in central IL is trying to blow out 2019 T5s...
t5 is a slow seller due to its 250 hp 2 liter. The t6 is 316 hp. Same block T6 is turbo and supercharged.
CDollarsign
12-26-2019, 07:00 AM
I’d like the T6 but at 20k off MSRP I’d survive. Maybe it’s worth getting a T6 as a CPO?
dpdan93
12-26-2019, 07:39 AM
there is really no comparison between the two in terms of ride quality, fit and feel. My brother has an outback that has requires thousands in maintenance. CVT trans is pretty crap and they ride more like small trucks compared to others in the segment.
Clancy
12-26-2019, 07:52 AM
there is really no comparison between the two in terms of ride quality, fit and feel. My brother has an outback that has requires thousands in maintenance. CVT trans is pretty crap and they ride more like small trucks compared to others in the segment.
Can’t comment on the V90 but owned a v70 wagon, trouble free 120k, and I mean besides oil changes and routine stuff, trouble free.
Traded it in on a new Outback. The Outback now has 45k and also has been trouble free and I expect that to continue. It’s much more utilitarian and the statements about build quality and ride quality are indeed true as the Volvo had a much better feel of comfort, quality, and overall soundness to it. The Outback is a lot of car for the money but cannot, nor is it meant to, compete in terms of quality. The Volvo had the most comfortable seats I’ve ever experienced in a car.
I went with the Outback strictly on cost. If a Volvo was priced favorably to a Subaru.....Volvo every time.
buddybikes
12-26-2019, 07:54 AM
CPO Audi Allroad was my final decision.
dpdan93
12-26-2019, 08:01 AM
CPO Audi Allroad was my final decision.
great choice, very attractive vehicle imo
CDollarsign
12-26-2019, 08:06 AM
I’ve had a CPO 2012 A4 Avant since 2014. Haven’t had a ton of issues with it other than the water pump going out recently. It burned oil like crazy initially but had the pistons replaced under CPO for the tune of 6k and never need to add oil between change intervals. Love the car, but with a growing 4 year old and 135k on the odometer I think it’s time to get something newer and bigger.
I think the 2020 Outback is pretty refined compared to the previous generation. It drove great and with the turbo was no slouch.
Clancy
12-26-2019, 08:06 AM
CPO Audi Allroad was my final decision.
Congratulations, love that car. Audi, cool, Volvo, grandfather.
C40_guy
12-26-2019, 08:37 AM
CPO Audi Allroad was my final decision.
Welcome to the (Audi) club!
Red Tornado
12-26-2019, 08:56 AM
We put close to 200K on our XC90. Reliable, good driving vehicle. Parts were not cheap, the handful of times it did need some work done.
Frankwurst
12-26-2019, 10:38 AM
I just bought my Mom a new Subaru Outback because that is what she wanted and my siblings thought it was a good choice. Didn't matter to me she could have what she wanted as it would be her last car (she's 82) After driving it 40 miles home I told my wife I like her 2008 Hyundai with 156000 miles on it better as far as ride and interior noise goes. I think Subaru's are over rated for the money involved.
But that's just my opinion which is just that. An opinion. :beer:
Krenovian
01-03-2020, 02:33 PM
I can’t comment on the XC90. I own a 2015.5 XC60. It’s the nicest car I’ve owned. The seats are so comfortable my wife is afraid to drive it for fear she’ll fall asleep at the wheel.
If you are going down the Volvo path I would suggest looking for a low mileage CPO used vehicle, something less than 10,000 miles. Check the CarFax. If it is registered in New Jersey the car is probably a Volvo “executive” car. These cars were driven by Volvo employees. Both my brother in law and I have purchased these “executive” cars and are very satisfied. CPO warranty is better than the new car version. 100,000 miles or 7 years. By purchasing a low mileage car you don’t take that immediate hit in value as you drive off the lot.
echappist
01-03-2020, 03:06 PM
I can’t comment on the XC90. I own a 2015.5 XC60. It’s the nicest car I’ve owned. The seats are so comfortable my wife is afraid to drive it for fear she’ll fall asleep at the wheel.
If you are going down the Volvo path I would suggest looking for a low mileage CPO used vehicle, something less than 10,000 miles. Check the CarFax. If it is registered in New Jersey the car is probably a Volvo “executive” car. These cars were driven by Volvo employees. Both my brother in law and I have purchased these “executive” cars and are very satisfied. CPO warranty is better than the new car version. 100,000 miles or 7 years. By purchasing a low mileage car you don’t take that immediate hit in value as you drive off the lot.
They changed terms of the CPO. Only one year of coverage from date of purchase, though it could be extended
Krenovian
01-03-2020, 04:31 PM
They changed terms of the CPO. Only one year of coverage from date of purchase, though it could be extendedGlad I bought mine when I did then. Thanks for the correction. I had a feeling that it was one of those "too good to last" situations.
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tylercheung
01-04-2020, 01:24 PM
From my vague childhood memory, we had a Volvo 240 wagon (the classic boxy Volvo they use for "ballets" in the midwest...), the only problem was brake fade, and routine wear parts were Swedish and were more expensive.
Mikej
01-04-2020, 01:46 PM
I’d don’t feel the Volvo and Subaru are really comparable- also, I’ve been quoted at 38 for a 2020 touring xt w .9% - yeah I’m broke and finance cars.
Pinned
01-04-2020, 08:30 PM
I've owned a few Subarus and while they are reliable and decent in the snow I don't think I'd own one again. I certainly can't imagine spending $30k+ on a Subaru given how they ride/handle and the lack of interior comfort/build quality compared with other cars at that price point. With BMW, Mercedes, Audi creeping into the mid-market it really makes the Subaru a more difficult value proposition IMO. I also wouldn't worry terribly about reliability on new cars - they're all so much better than even 10 years ago. My German cars have never truly failed me either way, and were never any less reliable than my Japanese cars. I just keep up on the preventative maintenance like I do on any car and they all treat me well - so it comes down to the driving experience and comforts for me.
Simply put - I would choose the Volvo 10/10 times.
gavingould
01-04-2020, 09:45 PM
about to turn in my 2017 XC60 lease for a 2020 V60... the V90 is too long to fit in my ~100 year old garage.
CDollarsign
01-04-2020, 10:00 PM
about to turn in my 2017 XC60 lease for a 2020 V60... the V90 is too long to fit in my ~100 year old garage.
I’m worried about the V90 fitting too. The 2020 V60 seems much bigger then the previous model.
Naysayers on Subaru’s interiors should look at the 2020 outback touring, it’s pretty nice. Not Volvo or Audi nice, but nice.
soulspinner
01-05-2020, 07:16 AM
They changed terms of the CPO. Only one year of coverage from date of purchase, though it could be extended
No five years from in service date(originally registered) with unlimited miles. Copied MB.
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