@Pelican...new bike launch today?

[Dude]

I saw this popup on Product Hunt...congrats on the new launch!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/karmic/oslo

[ultraman6970]

That look interesting. 20mph is ok speed, doesnt look that uses a chain??? no details about that but maybe i missed it?

[Pelican]

Yes, this is me. Feel free to upvote if you're on PH!

We'll have more details when we finalize spec. Right now it will be chain driven. Working with Gates to get the right components at the right price.

Cheers,
Hong

[Clancy]

Yes, this is me. Feel free to upvote if you're on PH!

We'll have more details when we finalize spec. Right now it will be chain driven. Working with Gates to get the right components at the right price.

Cheers,
Hong

The specs state Gates belt but you’re saying that’s not finalized?

And a 20 mile range. Not sure that’s practical. My wife rode an e-bike 26 miles today.

Also confused on tires/wheels. Photos show what look like disc wheels but specs state spoked.

Seems to be pretty vague all around

[Dude]

Sheesh, give the guy a break. He just launched/designed his 3rd bike.

[Pelican]

Sheesh, give the guy a break. He just launched/designed his 3rd bike.

Thanks Dude. I don't worry about guys like Clancy. :banana:

[jtakeda]

Thanks Dude. I don't worry about guys like Clancy. :banana:

Thats the right attitude man.

Just a quick question. Im not in the market for an electric bike but I'm trying to understand how this is different than others (no offense).

In using the tesla battery does that allow this electric bike to be charged at a traditional "electric vehicle charging station" that you see popping up in big cities?

If so I think this is genius, the range might not be amazing right now, but if you couple it with being able to charge at an increasingly available resource it really makes the difference.

If not, Ive got an idea for you!

[Clancy]

Thanks Dude. I don't worry about guys like Clancy. :banana:

Wow, really? I’ve backed some successful campaigns on KS including Tailfin and Fix-It Stixs but have also lost apx $400 on two campaigns that were funded then went bust.

I wish the guy all the luck in the world - we need strong, viable e-bikes if we’re going to do anything to get more people out of cars and combat climate change.

But if he can’t handle some simple basic questions, how can he expect people to put down a serious amount of money?

[Peter B]

Just checked the KS and I see this:

Standard Features (in test/validation)

250W/45N-m motor
480Wh standard battery
Integrated headlight
Wraparound taillight
LCD Display (external)
Aluminum chassis (frame)
Thermoplastic body
5-spoke alloy wheels
Fenders (plastic)
Kickstand!

Optional Upgrades (in development)

500W/65N-m motor
Front basket
Rear cargo rack
LED Display (integrated)
Vehicle Locking (mechanical)
Aero Wheel Covers
Gates Carbon Belt Drive
Fenders (metal)
Choice of Colors!

Future Features (To Be Developed )

~1KWh extended range battery
OLED touch display (integrated)
Vehicle Locking (electronic)
Sharing & App Controls (via Partners)

[sonicCows]

Wow, really? I’ve backed some successful campaigns on KS including Tailfin and Fix-It Stixs but have also lost apx $400 on two campaigns that were funded then went bust.

I wish the guy all the luck in the world - we need strong, viable e-bikes if we’re going to do anything to get more people out of cars and combat climate change.

But if he can’t handle some simple basic questions, how can he expect people to put down a serious amount of money?

I respect your right to be skeptical, but just digging around a bit you can see it's not their first rodeo. This company's previously released an e-bike that was reviewed by some larger cycling publications, so people have already put down serious amounts of money on them. This lends Karmic a bit more credibility on my view.

https://bikerumor.com/2017/09/05/review-karmic-koben-rewires-thoughts-e-bike-commuters/
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/a20039553/karmic-koben-electric-bicycle-review/

[buddybikes]

So what's the gig on these? Give them 1,600 (or more) for a bike that may not arrive?
What's in it for an investor, I just don't understand these kickstarters....

thx

[oldpotatoe]

That look interesting. 20mph is ok speed, doesnt look that uses a chain??? no details about that but maybe i missed it?

Electric scooter? Or ebike? Since the people riding them aren't pedaling..scooter, si?

[CAAD]

Whatever happened to just fining an investor or investors the old fashioned way? These Kickstarters are always delayed and or never completed. Believe me, I have participated in a couple over the years. Never again. If you have a solid product go out there and knock on some doors.Go get a bank loan. None of these Kickstarters want to risk their own money on their own product. Stop asking me to front your projects. Sorry, rant off.

[FlashUNC]

Whatever happened to just fining an investor or investors the old fashioned way? These Kickstarters are always delayed and or never completed. Believe me, I have participated in a couple over the years. Never again. If you have a solid product go out there and knock on some doors.Go get a bank loan. None of these Kickstarters want to risk their own money on their own product. Stop asking me to front your projects. Sorry, rant off.

The old fashioned way has a consistent knack for excluding entrepreneurs by race and gender. The old fashioned way doesn't build a pipeline of customers and hopefully proponents of the product before it even launches. The old fashioned way is so unappealing even more established brands like Silca are using Kickstarters to launch products and build buzz.

Kickstarters aren't perfect, but let's not pretend the traditional system was some Shangri La either.

Best of luck on the Kickstarter. Looks like a cool bike.

[hokoman]

Electric scooter? Or ebike? Since the people riding them aren't pedaling..scooter, si?

You can pedal them, but it also has a throttle if you're too lazy. All the delivery people in NY have them. I know deliveries are way more efficient now... but wonder how many pounds all these delivery guys gained once they got their new bikes! :eek:

[Clancy]

I respect your right to be skeptical, but just digging around a bit you can see it's not their first rodeo. This company's previously released an e-bike that was reviewed by some larger cycling publications, so people have already put down serious amounts of money on them. This lends Karmic a bit more credibility on my view.

https://bikerumor.com/2017/09/05/review-karmic-koben-rewires-thoughts-e-bike-commuters/
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/a20039553/karmic-koben-electric-bicycle-review/

One of the KS campaigns I lost a couple of hundred bucks on was one started by. Rob Honeycut, founder of Timbuktu, a 23 million dollar company when he sold it. Rob had plenty of rodeos under his belt but he failed on the campaign. I never saw the product nor a dime. When putting down $1,600 down I would say some skepticism is healthy. Also, as I said, I wish him all the luck in the world. Nor did I mean any disrespect. In fairness the images of the bike and the specs listed do not match. And, if this project was presented as a business plan, I would imagine the questions asked would be much tougher than the simple ones I pointed out. Both Silicon Valley as well as KS are littered with once successfully entrepreneurs who failed.

Again, I wish him luck

[bicycletricycle]

Why bother with the pedals? I imagine they are just to circumvent laws?

looks nice but I am a designer so I like these sort of future looking things more than the average person. That being said, I like the mad max/vintage MX looking versions of these electric mopeds like the Super73.

[buddybikes]

The old fashioned way has a consistent knack for excluding entrepreneurs by race and gender. The old fashioned way doesn't build a pipeline of customers and hopefully proponents of the product before it even launches. The old fashioned way is so unappealing even more established brands like Silca are using Kickstarters to launch products and build buzz.

Kickstarters aren't perfect, but let's not pretend the traditional system was some Shangri La either.

Best of luck on the Kickstarter. Looks like a cool bike.



What is the payback for the invester, kickstart has be baffled.

thx

[FlashUNC]

What is the payback for the invester, kickstart has be baffled.

thx

The product you paid for, if all goes to plan. And if you paid at higher tiers, whatever those add-in incentives might be. You're not investing in the company, just the end product.

But it is speculative and I've never backed campaigns that are of a significant dollar value that if I lost the money in the street I'd be too upset about it.

[Pelican]

You're not investing in the company, just the end product.

This is key.

[Clancy]

This is key.



And these other comments are why I don't post on Paceline anymore.

If anyone is seriously interested, please message me.

I have to say I’m blown away. In reviewing my comments I cannot honestly see how they are offensive in anyway.

[pdmtong]

The specs state Gates belt but you’re saying that’s not finalized?

And a 20 mile range. Not sure that’s practical. My wife rode an e-bike 26 miles today.

Also confused on tires/wheels. Photos show what look like disc wheels but specs state spoked.

Seems to be pretty vague all around

I have to say I’m blown away. In reviewing my comments I cannot honestly see how they are offensive in anyway.
they are not offensive but the impression I get from reading your comments is challenging, negative and skeptical. it's the internet and without a face-face interaction, a lot of posts can be read a few ways. I get it if you type and aren't considering the tone, impression etc. we all do that. its a forum, and we dont have or want to make time for that. so if someone is feeding back a contrary position to yours, take a moment...

In any of these types of interactions, it's a constant reminder to me that everyone sees the world differently.



The specs state Gates belt but you’re saying that’s not finalized?
> when do you expect to finalize the use Gates belt

And a 20 mile range. Not sure that’s practical. My wife rode an e-bike 26 miles today.
> my experience is that a 20mile range is limiting. have you considered a longer range or are you facing a constraint hence the 20 miles...

Also confused on tires/wheels. Photos show what look like disc wheels but specs state spoked.

Seems to be pretty vague all around
> I'd like to see you succeed but I find the copy vague in areas I think are important. could you elaborate more on [xyz]

[TomP]

they are not offensive but the impression I get from reading your comments is challenging, negative and skeptical. it's the internet and without a face-face interaction, a lot of posts can be read a few ways. I get it if you type and aren't considering the tone, impression etc. we all do that. its a forum, and we dont have or want to make time for that. so if someone is feeding back a contrary position to yours, take a moment...

In any of these types of interactions, it's a constant reminder to me that everyone sees the world differently.



The specs state Gates belt but you’re saying that’s not finalized?
> when do you expect to finalize the use Gates belt

And a 20 mile range. Not sure that’s practical. My wife rode an e-bike 26 miles today.
> my experience is that a 20mile range is limiting. have you considered a longer range or are you facing a constraint hence the 20 miles...

Also confused on tires/wheels. Photos show what look like disc wheels but specs state spoked.

Seems to be pretty vague all around
> I'd like to see you succeed but I find the copy vague in areas I think are important. could you elaborate more on [xyz]

Well said. :banana: E-communications can easily go awry.

[Dude]

@pdmtong thank you for clarifying. I should’ve responded explaining that to me, the tone sounded negative while that wasn’t Clancy’s intention.

[oldpotatoe]

Why bother with the pedals? I imagine they are just to circumvent laws?
.

That's my point..more of a 'oops, battery is dead, forgot to charge battery' gig than a eBIKE..it's a scooter...

[acoffin]

Love the design, and like most e-bikes it looks like a lot of fun. Admittedley I have never used one but I have a strong hankering for an e-cargo bike.

What is the current state of e-bikes in ride share? I would assume this is where rideshare is heading very soon if not already. The Oslo looks to be tailor made for that venue.

[unterhausen]

apparently the RCMP is giving out tickets to ebike riders that aren't pedaling, even though it's not against the law. But this usually happens to people on scooters with vestigial pedals, unlike the one in the OP that looks like it could be pedaled without issue. Even though nobody does it in the video. The first ebike I ever saw was one of the ones that look like an old Vespa scooter. I was impressed, the teenage rider was pedaling it up a long hill. I assume the battery died.