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cribbit
08-17-2019, 10:36 AM
https://imgur.com/a/bp6Hrb8

https://imgur.com/VdRbaWL.png

https://imgur.com/LZPS01E.png

Ooops



(I knew the screws were on the weak side since I felt them twisting when I put them in, I since bought a proper anchor setter. this hook held for eight months and seemed find, but still - oops)

dgauthier
08-17-2019, 10:43 AM
Yeah, it doesn't matter if the hook is rated for 800 pounds if the wall is only rated for 25...

On the upside, that can all be fixed good as new. Surely there's a stud a few inches to the left or right to remount the hook securely.

eddief
08-17-2019, 10:48 AM
but i hope you can laugh at the mistake and move on with wisdom.

cribbit
08-17-2019, 10:50 AM
Yeah, it doesn't matter if the hook is rated for 800 pounds if the wall is only rated for 25...

On the upside, that can all be fixed good as new. Surely there's a stud a few inches to the left or right to remount the hook securely.

Sadly sheetrock wall like this, there's no studs (I checked that when I first went to install, then had to buy the molly anchors)

Luckily it's not just drywall or this would've never held at all.

Blown Reek
08-17-2019, 11:04 AM
Sadly sheetrock wall like this, there's no studs (I checked that when I first went to install, then had to buy the molly anchors)

Luckily it's not just drywall or this would've never held at all.

Ummm... Sheetrock and drywall are the same thing.

yarg
08-17-2019, 11:05 AM
There has to be studs unless its a small/narrow(<16") wall.

dgauthier
08-17-2019, 11:06 AM
You might have metal studs if you can't find wood ones. (Yarg is right -- there *have* to be studs.) I've never dealt with metal studs before, but there's lots of info on the web. It's like screwing and anchoring into sheet metal.

If looks aren't an issue you can hang a nice big piece of 3/4" plywood across two studs using lots of fasteners, and then put the hook anywhere you want in the plywood.

Blown Reek
08-17-2019, 11:07 AM
There has to be studs unless its a small/narrow(<16") wall.

And considering how long the anchor screws are, there are definitely studs in there.

bicycletricycle
08-17-2019, 11:22 AM
dry wall anchors are garbage. find a stud

cribbit
08-17-2019, 11:50 AM
You might have metal studs if you can't find wood ones. (Yarg is right -- there *have* to be studs.) I've never dealt with metal studs before, but there's lots of info on the web. It's like screwing and anchoring into sheet metal.

If looks aren't an issue you can hang a nice big piece of 3/4" plywood across two studs using lots of fasteners, and then put the hook anywhere you want in the plywood.

There's something in there that kind of flexes if I push into it. Nothing I can drill into.

dry wall anchors are garbage. find a stud

Definitely. I can do pullups on these hooks, where I've installed them into a stud.

parris
08-17-2019, 12:20 PM
It's just a sign that you deserve and need a lighter bike!:banana:

lemondvictoire
08-17-2019, 12:26 PM
Hope no bike was harmed in that event....

hokoman
08-17-2019, 12:50 PM
The anchors were where the failure happened as the top one will take most of the weight and that one stretched out.. I've hung a million things and I think these have worked the best for me.... I hung up my topeak bike holder with two of these, and it was rock solid. It was holding up my super heavy touring bike too.

VTCaraco
08-17-2019, 12:54 PM
The anchors were where the failure happened as the top one will take most of the weight and that one stretched out.. I've hung a million things and I think these have worked the best for me.... I hung up my topeak bike holder with two of these, and it was rock solid. It was holding up my super heavy touring bike too.

Only warning on these it to use a little care in installing, or you have a good-sized hole to work around.

bart998
08-17-2019, 12:59 PM
If the stud is not located in an aesthetically pleasing place, I've used a piece of plywood the same thickness as the drywall. Cut out the drywall between two studs and screw the plywood down in its place. Skim coat and paint to match the drywall finish. Bolt bike hook to plywood.

Tandem Rider
08-17-2019, 01:07 PM
There's definitely studs in there, either 16", 19.2", or 24" on center. Look carefully along the top inch of your baseboard, you should be able to see nails or signs of nails. Either use a level or measure from a known edge, transfer up to the correct height. If you need to have the bike exactly there, buy a piece of 3/4" plywood from the home center cut down to the size you need that spans 2 studs, screw it into the studs and screw the hangers into the plywood.

Lucky it's smooth walls, easier to patch and hide rather than matching texture as well.

OtayBW
08-17-2019, 01:37 PM
Sheetrock/drywall often goes into furring strips, not studs....

cribbit
08-17-2019, 01:47 PM
I've used a studfinder, I've measured where they should be, I've drilled random holes - there are no studs in these walls.

Furring strips seems likely, since I've hit something springy behind the wall where the studs would measure to be.

9tubes
08-17-2019, 02:42 PM
Try this trick: take wire from a coat hanger cut and bend it into a simple 90 degree L-shape, with the short end about 6 inches and the other end about 10 inches.

Then insert the long end into the drywall hole until just the short end is sticking out. Now rotate the wire. The long end will make an arc inside the wall. If the studs are at the standard 16" it will find them because the arc is for a 20" circle.

Blown Reek
08-17-2019, 03:51 PM
Sheetrock/drywall often goes into furring strips, not studs....

How do you build an interior wall or a soffit or a ceiling without using studs? Furring strips on exterior wall, sure, but you have to have something to attach those furring strips to. Everything else is studs.

OtayBW
08-17-2019, 04:00 PM
How do you build an interior wall or a soffit or a ceiling without using studs? Furring strips on exterior wall, sure, but you have to have something to attach those furring strips to. Everything else is studs.
Furring strips are often applied onto the existing studs, or onto concrete if it's a basement wall. Who know. Nobody is talking about building a conventional interior wall without studs. :rolleyes:

zmudshark
08-17-2019, 04:12 PM
Buy a good studfinder. Costco has a nice one right now in the store, probably on sale for $10 less soon. I bought one last year. It really works.

It's basically this one, branded differently. I paid $30, think are are $40 right now. Cheaper than drywall patching.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Franklin-Sensors-ProSensor-1-6-in-Scan-Depth-Metal-and-Wood-Stud-Finder/1000342989

Edit: Works on stucco walls!

zmudshark
08-17-2019, 04:13 PM
I've used a studfinder, I've measured where they should be, I've drilled random holes - there are no studs in these walls.

Furring strips seems likely, since I've hit something springy behind the wall where the studs would measure to be.
Stucco? wire mesh?

Is this in CA?

Dino SuegiĆ¹
08-17-2019, 04:42 PM
@ OP:
If you are not finding studs by studfinder, coathanger, nailing every ~3", etc., the wall (or a portion of it) you are dealing with may in fact be a chase wall for HVAC, plumbing, or vents.

If so it will be much deeper than a standard 2x4 or 2x6 wall, and may very well not have standard stud spacing at the face you are looking at, at least for a length greater even than 24".

All kinds of odd compromises happen, especially in residential construction and/or if elements were retro-fitted into your house.

Stucco? wire mesh?

Is this in CA?
That is clearly not stucco/mesh in the photos; it is clearly drywall.

mmfs
08-17-2019, 05:04 PM
Toggler Alligator anchors and done. Work in solid and hollow wall applications. Throw all your other anchors away.

http://www.toggler.com/products/alligator/overview.php

Dino SuegiĆ¹
08-17-2019, 05:19 PM
^
That Toggler Alligator claimed 1025# load capacity when placed in a solid concrete wall isn't really going to help the op that much when the very same anchors are rated at 85# maximum load support in his 1/2" drywall applications....

There is no substitute for direct anchoring into studs, plates, or braces, especially in earthquake territory, and especially with heavier loads to be supported. The weakest link is always the weakest link, period.