Serotta Coeur d’Acier Info

[providence]

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Picked this up for a good price today. CCD 59 391 serial number.

Was looking for a little more info on this model (where it was in the lineup, opinions on the ride). It’s in solid shape, expected wear on the road, and then wear for a bike that’s being moved around in storage/garage.

Had a couple other Serottas. Neither stuck, not sure if this will either but couldn’t pass it up. Had a friend who’s looking for a cheap group and wheelset for figured what the heck.

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[Ozz]

Have you taken delivery of it yet? I am not sure it is a CDA

I think it says "Colorado II" on the top tube....and it has the older style drop outs.

By the time the CDA rolled out I think they were using the 3DXL dropouts...

I am trying to remember, but the CDA was like the Colorado III, but with carbon seat stays...

Somewhere on this forum is a serial number decoder database....you might want to search for it.


I would think 1992: 1992 Catalog (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=82634)

There is a tri bike with the same paint.....CIII & CDA image is from 2003 catalog

[Big Dan]

Yeah that bike is a 1991 or 1992 Colorado II or LT.
The CDA came after the Colorado III.

[providence]

http://i65.tinypic.com/20a9w6s.jpg

I’m certainly no expert on these but this doesn’t appear to be a repaint/rebadge. I can take more photos of whatever is needed.

[Big Dan]

The top brake cable is a giveaway.
I bought my 92 Colorado LT new back in the day.
Is your bike lugged or tig welded?

[donevwil]

Is it me or has this thread entered the Twilight Zone?

[providence]

Are my photos not showing up? Light blue frame. Doesn’t have a top tube brake cable.

I know the pink/orange fade bike was a Colorado LT. I sold that bike.

[Big Dan]

I only see the pink bike.

[Bruce K]

The blue bike is absolutely a CdA

Look in the catalog archives and serial number thread for more info

BK

[providence]

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These work?

[Malinois]

That’s a fine looking CdA. One of the later Ouzo Pros with the blue “R” logo would look fantastic with that frame color.

Nice find and let me know if it doesn’t work for you, that’s my size as well. :)

[charliedid]

Is it me or has this thread entered the Twilight Zone?

I was thunking the same thing.

[Ken Robb]

It seems to be a custom Cd'A. My recollection is that the most expensive steel model at the time was the lugged CSi. The Colorado III and Cd'A used the same tube set and cost less because TIG welding required less time to build. The Cd'A was for folks who wanted the added benefit (real or imagined) of carbon seat stays. I don't think there was an up-charge for custom specs on these three models so quite a few were built as custom bikes.

[Dude]

I'm guessing that's a 2004ish bike. Maybe 2003. They sold framesets with the kestrel fork option up until 2003 I believe. Plus dura Ace triple was all the rage that year.

[Brian Smith]

I'm guessing that's a 2004ish bike. Maybe 2003. They sold framesets with the kestrel fork option up until 2003 I believe. Plus dura Ace triple was all the rage that year.

I would expect to see the O2 fork as original to this bike, but then it has clearly had some other substitutions since new, and perhaps the Kestrel fork was substituted in at some later point during ownership. The O2 was a better fork.

[Ozz]

.....

These work?

Ah....got it. Love the color on the CDA.

I was only seeing the neon pink-fade bike in the first post.

Cheers.

[tuscanyswe]

Have you taken delivery of it yet? I am not sure it is a CDA

I think it says "Colorado II" on the top tube....and it has the older style drop outs.

By the time the CDA rolled out I think they were using the 3DXL dropouts...

I am trying to remember, but the CDA was like the Colorado III, but with carbon seat stays...

Somewhere on this forum is a serial number decoder database....you might want to search for it.


I would think 1992: 1992 Catalog (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=82634)

There is a tri bike with the same paint.....CIII & CDA image is from 2003 catalog

Not all CDAs had carbon seatstays.

[Ozz]

Not all CDAs had carbon seatstays.

then what made it different from the CIII? Same steel, tig welded, all custom...??

[tuscanyswe]

then what made it different from the CIII? Same steel, tig welded, all custom...??

Thats a question i can not answer without researching im afraid. Perhaps only the years gone by.. ?

This is however a frame i sold recently (cda).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46984094894_aae9a26b75_h.jpg

[Ozz]

Thats a question i can not answer without researching im afraid. Perhaps only the years gone by.. ?

I checked out the catalogs....it looks like in 2006 the CSI and CIII were discontinued, and the CDA was the top of the line steel offering.

The CDA had steel seat stays, and the CDA CS had carbon stays....

Mystery solved....:beer:

[Big Dan]

The CIII was a great bike, sold mine chasing a Merckx MXL.
Big mistake.

[Dude]

The Col III was the "less expensive" version of the CSi. Same tubeset but tig'd instead of brazed. The cour d'acier originally launched with the carbon stays. The colorado III eventually became the Cour D'Acier (in name only) as it was the only steel frame they were offering.

@Brian_Smith regarding the O2 fork you are right, though wasn't there a period where they/you/we offered the F2 and the Kestrel. It was brief because they/you/we thought the Ouzo/O2 was better than the kestrel but there was a delay with them. I mean, it could've been as simple as the dealer had it laying around from a previous/stock frame. Or even simpler, I could be wrong. Based on serial number, i would think it's a 2004 but parts seem like earlier.

[woolly]

Speaking of Twilight Zone, I seem to have developed a hankering for one of those older pink/orange fade rigs. I'd pay decent money for a good condition 55 or 56, if anyone is holding. . .

[Ozz]

Speaking of Twilight Zone, I seem to have developed a hankering for one of those older pink/orange fade rigs. I'd pay decent money for a good condition 55 or 56, if anyone is holding. . .

heh, heh....I like those too. I took up cycling in late '80's / early '90's when those were popular. Especially liked the Klein hot pink to purple to blue fades from then.

I will always have a soft spot for fades.....:cool:

[Brian Smith]

The Col III was the "less expensive" version of the CSi. Same tubeset but tig'd instead of brazed. The cour d'acier originally launched with the carbon stays. The colorado III eventually became the Cour D'Acier (in name only) as it was the only steel frame they were offering.

@Brian_Smith regarding the O2 fork you are right, though wasn't there a period where they/you/we offered the F2 and the Kestrel. It was brief because they/you/we thought the Ouzo/O2 was better than the kestrel but there was a delay with them. I mean, it could've been as simple as the dealer had it laying around from a previous/stock frame. Or even simpler, I could be wrong. Based on serial number, i would think it's a 2004 but parts seem like earlier.

The CSi and CIII used similar tubesets, but they weren't exactly the same.
The Coeur D'Acier evolved from adding the CS rear stay to the CIII, which was also an option on the CXII making it a CXII CS, etc.
Getting deep into the semantical, there was, I think, never a Coeur D'Acier with steel seat stays, although after the model name change there were some CDA with steel seat stays.

The O2 followed very closely on the heels of the F2, and if I recall correctly its arrival preceded, or was contemporaneous to the CS rear. I would think that it's not inconceivable that the Kestrel was original to the bike, even if the model wasn't supposed to come with the Kestrel, but less likely.

[providence]

Appreciate the info all!

[oliver1850]

Kestrel forks are shown in the catalogs on the Hors in 2002 and both steel and Ti Fiertes in 2003. As Brian says, may not have been usually sold with CDAs but Serotta surely was selling them at the time. First year for CDA was 2003.

I might be interested in the Colorado II if it's for sale and size is right. That's an early one, '89 I would guess. See if the serial number begins with "9" or a two letter code.

[thwart]

Speaking of Twilight Zone, I seem to have developed a hankering for one of those older pink/orange fade rigs. I'd pay decent money for a good condition 55 or 56, if anyone is holding. . .
Thinking the same thing.

Whoever came up with the green lettering and accents... genius.

Oh yeah, this one looks to possibly be Tange Prestige?

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1765/43354233802_7efa8f9880_c.jpg

[oliver1850]

Thinking the same thing.

Whoever came up with the green lettering and accents... genius.

Oh yeah, this one looks to possibly be Tange Prestige?



Does appear to be the Tange decal, but the tubing should be Columbus if it's a Colorado II. There was a Tange frame at the time, it was called Colorado Concept. I've never owned a Tange Serotta, wondering if there's any way to distinguish between Tange and Columbus Colorado tubes.

[happycampyer]

The CSi and CIII used similar tubesets, but they weren't exactly the same.
The Coeur D'Acier evolved from adding the CS rear stay to the CIII, which was also an option on the CXII making it a CXII CS, etc.
Getting deep into the semantical, there was, I think, never a Coeur D'Acier with steel seat stays, although after the model name change there were some CDA with steel seat stays.

The O2 followed very closely on the heels of the F2, and if I recall correctly its arrival preceded, or was contemporaneous to the CS rear. I would think that it's not inconceivable that the Kestrel was original to the bike, even if the model wasn't supposed to come with the Kestrel, but less likely.

Isn't this a Coeur d'Acier with steel stays (posted by tuscanyswe above):

Thats a question i can not answer without researching im afraid. Perhaps only the years gone by.. ?

This is however a frame i sold recently (cda).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46984094894_aae9a26b75_h.jpg

Speaking of Twilight Zone, I seem to have developed a hankering for one of those older pink/orange fade rigs. I'd pay decent money for a good condition 55 or 56, if anyone is holding. . .

I gave up searching and finally had Hottubes repaint a CSI in those colors:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-t432hfS/0/ff3f2f16/XL/i-t432hfS-XL.jpg

[Big Dan]

xx

[woolly]

I gave up searching and finally had Hottubes repaint a CSI in those colors:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-t432hfS/0/ff3f2f16/XL/i-t432hfS-XL.jpg[/QUOTE]

Nice! How much does a paint job like that run?

[happycampyer]

It ended up being a lot more work than originally anticipated, so I doubt they would do the same job for the same amount. I’ll pm you with details.

[Brian Smith]

PM'ed.