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Tony T
10-31-2018, 06:43 AM
Bradley Wiggins: what fascinates me about Lance Armstrong (book extract)
From Rouler (https://rouleur.cc/editorial/bradley-wiggins-what-fascinates-me-about-lance-armstrong-book-extract/?fbclid=IwAR0LQopnwycbqMYVYeP88qpRU5Vf3XMYytjIejle 6eha19_piIN7VlM1Njo)

“I don’t think it was part of some Machiavellian plot to ruin my career,” writes Sir Bradley Wiggins of when he first met Lance Armstrong. In this extract if his new book ‘Icons’, ahead of its launch at the Rouleur Classic on Thursday, Wiggins discuses the man he describes as “a 21st-century cultural and social phenomenon”

Look away now if you’re easily offended.

I’ll never forget the first time I ‘met’ Lance Armstrong. It was during a bike race (oddly enough), and he came up and rode alongside me. He said, ‘How you doin’ there, Wiggo?’ or words to that effect, and smiled at me.

I felt ten feet tall because . . . well, because he was Lance Armstrong. Am I allowed to say that, or does it make me some sort of cycling heretic?

During the 2009 Tour, when I was effectively starting my road career in earnest, he was very encouraging. He was losing the physical and psychological war with Contador, and the consequence was that he was scratching about for a podium place with the likes of me.

It was a bike race like any other, however, and I didn’t have the impression he was trying to shaft me or psyche me out. If anything he probably had me believing I was better than I actually was, but I don’t think it was part of some Machiavellian plot to ruin my career and my self-esteem. Maybe I’m deluded, though, and maybe it wasa Machiavellian plot after all. Maybe I was just too dumb to notice . . .

Armstrong jerseys from Bradley Wiggins’ collection

Lance’s story has been told ad infinitum, but for me one of the most interesting aspects is his transformation from Classics rider to post-cancer Grand Tour rider. It’s interesting because, as a young cyclist, you tend to fall into certain ways of riding and of thinking. Sometimes they’re suited to your physical attributes, and sometimes they just aren’t.

Transforming yourself into something else altogether can be difficult but not, by definition, impossible. People who don’t understand cycling would like to pretend that it’s impossible, but it’s just a question of power to weight.

Prior to winning the 1968 Giro, Merckx was considered a Classics rider. He reinvented himself, and so did Beppe Saronni. He was a track rider who went on to win the Giro twice, while Ercole Baldini, Evgeni Berzin and Hugo Koblet (below)were time triallists/pursuiters. They all evolved into Grand Tour winners, and so did I.

Obviously, Lance was stripped of his Tours, and everyone has an opinion on that. What’s fascinating to me is that seven Tours de France equals about 160 days of it not going wrong, in addition to all the weeks and months preceding the race.

During the race you can get caught behind a crash, have a really bad day, have a mechanical failure when it’s on, get blown out the back when a gap opens, make a tactical error, anything. Then you’ve your opponents to deal with, in Lance’s case Ullrich, Pantani, Zülle, Heras, Basso and Beloki.

Whether you like cycling or not, Lance is fascinating as a 21st-century cultural and social phenomenon. There are any number of books analysing his career, the corporate interests behind it and the context in which it took place. It’s unbelievable in the most literal sense, but it’s also interesting as regards the way cycling defines itself as a sport.

Legend has it that Henri Desgrange, the ‘Father of the Tour’, envisaged a ‘perfect winner’. He was of the idea that the ideal Tour de France would have one finisher, a type of super-athlete who would not only defeat his opponents, but also whatever nature might throw at him.

It was an extreme version of cycling, and a very French one. It also explains why Tour de France winners tended to be masochistic, obsessive and, on occasion, borderline sociopathic.

The Italians – and by extension the Giro – always preferred shorter, faster races. For them cycling was about stealth as well as strength, intelligence as well as speed. Tactics and cunning were important, because they viewed sport as an extension of ‘normal’ life. Cycling was hard, but then so was life in a poor country like theirs.

To prosper you needed to be clever, so the riders often took shortcuts, both literally and metaphorically. That was to be expected because they were ordinary, working-class, home-spun blokes. They were human beings who had undertaken to do extraordinary things, and they needed all the help they could get.

When they rode the Giro they became ambassadors for their village or province. They set off with their bikes, rode around the peninsula and came home with amazing stories about the things they’d experienced – the great cities, the different people and dialects, the strange food they’d eaten, the scenery they’d witnessed and so on.

The organisers liked the stages to finish in bunch sprints, because that way they sold tickets for the stadiums and velodromes. They saw the riders as ‘personalities’ and promoted them as performers in a great travelling circus.

The French weren’t much interested in cycling as spettacolo, and their perception of it was fundamentally different. They felt no particular need to cultivate the riders as personalities, because the mere fact that they were riding the Tour did that. The stages were biblical, so it went without saying that they were super-human.

With little or no public transport, your average Frenchman wouldn’t and couldn’t conceiveof travelling 400 kilometres, let alone riding that distance on a pushbike. In 1928 the Tour was 5,400 kilometres, the Giro 3,000 kilometres. Only one in four of the Tour starters made it round, but more than half completed the Giro.

The point is that the Tour de France was always an extreme sporting event, and it was always contested by extreme human beings. They were extraordinary by definition, and people like Gustave Garrigou and Henri Pélissier (above), the winners in 1911 and 1923 respectively, were cases in point. The peloton was full of madmen, and they were probably the maddest of all.

Over the decades the racing has evolved more or less in line with society. The stages are much shorter and more human, but as a consequence the racing is much, much faster. Things like nutrition, training and machinery are virtually unrecognisable from how they used to be, and in truth the modern Giro is probably harder than the Tour.

I think the basic premise is unaltered, though, because the Tour remains the pinnacle of cycling achievement. As regards prestige and global reach it’s still way, way ahead of the Giro and the Vuelta, and always will be. Its public is bigger because it takes place during the summer holidays, France is much richer than Italy or Spain, commercially it’s a juggernaut and it has cultivated its legends extremely well. It’s won, almost without exception, by the best stage racer in the world, and he is always a very special, very driven human being.

Therein, I think, lies the paradox of Lance’s having been stripped. His opponents didn’t necessarily like him, but guys like Ullrich, Pantani and Michael Rasmussen sure as hell respected him. He was the archetypal Tour de France cyclist, and he was precisely the sort of winner Desgrange had in mind 120 years ago.

I can’t say that I really know Jan Ullrich, Lance’s great rival. I do know, however, that he was one incredibly gifted athlete and that he won the 1997 Tour at the age of 23.

Everyone in cycling was convinced he’d go on to win a load more of them, because there was nothing he couldn’t do on a bike. He was immense, and he inspired awe among fellow riders and fans alike.

Lance would tell anybody prepared to listen that Jan was much more talented, and he was probably right. He respected Ullrich and feared Ullrich, and that fear was a big part of his make-up.

Winning the Tour (or not losing it) was existential for him, and most seem to agree that the need to win mutated into a sort of siege mentality. I think Bill Shankly said something like, ‘Football isn’t a matter of life and death – it’s more important than that,’ and for Lance cycling was probably the same.

I don’t think Lance is a football fan, and my guess would be that he’s not familiar with Shankly’s ‘life and death’ quote. Regardless, in his case it seems entirely appropriate.

What was it Sir Alex Ferguson said?

Cycling. Bloody hell.

ICONS. My Inspiration. My Motivation. My Obsession. by Bradley Wiggins is published by HarperCollins on November 1 priced £25 hardback. Wiggins will launching the book at the Rouleur Classic on November 1 where copies will be available to buy and be signed. ICONS is also available for purchase from the Rouleur Emporium .

William
10-31-2018, 11:05 AM
Interesting read. I got the sense from the Stages/The Move podcasts during the Tour that there are a lot of past and current pros who still associate/communicate with LA. My guess is there are many amount them who would say he won those Tours regardless of what the books say...right or wrong.








William

mdeth1313
10-31-2018, 02:30 PM
With all the stuff going on now, I'd Sky is about as clean as Postal was. Doesn't make much of a difference to me, I hardly watch or keep track anymore. I'd rather be out riding.

gasman
10-31-2018, 02:38 PM
Interesting read. I got the sense from the Stages/The Move podcasts during the Tour that there are a lot of past and current pros who still associate/communicate with LA. My guess is there are many amount them who would say he won those Tours regardless of what the books say...right or wrong.


I suspect your right. There are plenty of past winners who doped, probably all of them in some way or another. And it's still going on I have no doubt as it's human nature (esp when you paycheck depends on results ) to look for any advantage possible. The riders know that it's still happening therefor they view Lance as having won.

Joxster
10-31-2018, 03:17 PM
/Alledgedly
A Swanny was busted at Girona Airport with 10L of blood in his luggage, when pulled up he claimed it was his lunch, to which the Police asked if he was a vampire
/Alledgedly

charliedid
10-31-2018, 03:58 PM
I'd read that

jds108
10-31-2018, 06:48 PM
Good read, thanks for posting.

Mr. Pink
11-01-2018, 06:51 AM
Good read. I may kindle that thing.

Tickdoc
11-01-2018, 07:05 AM
First time I've ever wanted to read anything on Lance. It will take alot to convince me he's not a total dick first and grand tour winner second.

This article makes me want to know what the general reaction is from the current Peloton is regarding whether or not they view him as a champion.

Mr. Pink
11-01-2018, 07:40 AM
Well, the way I read that, he is saying that you have to be a dick, er, sociopath to win the tour.

benb
11-01-2018, 08:50 AM
I don't know about "sociopath" but it's pretty obvious you have to be "special" to win Le Tour as you have to be "special" to get anywhere in cycling at all.

Gotta be kind of obsessed in a semi-bad way.

The "160 days of nothing going wrong" is the key for me. That was an amazing run.. Ulrich was likely doped every single day he competed against Lance. So were most of his other opponents. Tyler Hamilton, Pantani, Contador, etc..

But all of them could never string together even 21 days of strong riding without "something going wrong".

drewski
11-01-2018, 09:52 AM
Thanks for the article. Lance was a interesting and shadowy dude.

Its unreal to think that the early tours were single speed. Those were some crazy mofo's. Paul de Vivie "Velocio" much more laid back than Desgrange. Both men were really larger than life.

More on Desgrange
https://www.bikemag.com/pavedmag/5-reasons-why-he-was-henri-desgrange-and-you-couldnt-have-been/

bikinchris
11-01-2018, 10:56 AM
Well, the way I read that, he is saying that you have to be a dick, er, sociopath to win the tour.

I have to agree with that assessment. You can't win against the very best and be a sweet guy. You have to have a core that will not give in. This is true in every sport. I can think of very few people who compete on that level who aren't. Drew Brees comes to mind.

Make no mistake. Lance is a dick. He also is obsessed with details and preparation to win. More so than anyone he competed against.

pasadena
11-01-2018, 11:56 AM
I have to agree with that assessment. You can't win against the very best and be a sweet guy. You have to have a core that will not give in. This is true in every sport. I can think of very few people who compete on that level who aren't. Drew Brees comes to mind.

Make no mistake. Lance is a dick. He also is obsessed with details and preparation to win. More so than anyone he competed against.

There are many great champions that have class
Sagan
Chaves
Dumolin
Chris Froome
Valverde
Boonen
Cancellara

If one can't make the distinction between dopestrong's utter corruption and moral bankruptcy, and being an elite competitive cyclist, than his b.s. pr is working.
He is everything wrong with sports.

Wiggins job is to sell books. Throwing self-serving garbage out there to get sales. Too bad he couldn't think of a more interesting story about himself to advertise.

The only thing that passage tells me is Wiggo can justify cheating.

saab2000
11-01-2018, 12:01 PM
His podcast and YouTube video channel are pretty decent. He knows as much about pro cycling as anyone. LA that is.

Mr. Pink
11-01-2018, 12:19 PM
There are many great champions that have class
Sagan
Chaves
Dumolin
Chris Froome
Valverde
Boonen
Cancellara

If one can't make the distinction between dopestrong's utter corruption and moral bankruptcy, and being an elite competitive cyclist, than his b.s. pr is working.
He is everything wrong with sports.

Wiggins job is to sell books. Throwing self-serving garbage out there to get sales. Too bad he couldn't think of a more interesting story about himself to advertise.

The only thing that passage tells me is Wiggo can justify cheating.


Only one of those on the list has won multiple tours, and, many are not happy with his involvement with drugs.

Hey, I always say, if there's a drug that can help me do two to three mountain passes in one day, and then wake up and do the same thing the next day, and maybe the day after, I'm first in line for it. Doesn't seem to be too harmful, whatever it is. Lance looks and sounds good these days.

Lance was/is a dick, it's pretty obvious. Wiggins was just trying to say it nicely. But, I'll value his assessment of what it's like to be a champion at many agree is the most difficult athletic event in the world over an armchair torch bearer.

Tony T
11-01-2018, 12:47 PM
His podcast and YouTube video channel are pretty decent. He knows as much about pro cycling as anyone. LA that is.

Would have liked to have seen him as a commentator for the TDF.

bikingshearer
11-01-2018, 01:14 PM
Make no mistake. Lance is a dick. He also is obsessed with details and preparation to win. More so than anyone he competed against.

+1. Spot on.

Lance's body and the chemicals he ingested made him able to compete at the sport's highest level. His fanatical devotion to preparation and his unquenchable desire made him able to win. Bottom line: he wanted it more than his contemporaries. For good and for ill.

Tony T
11-01-2018, 01:26 PM
...Bottom line: he wanted it more than his contemporaries. For good and for ill.

More than Jan? Don't think so.

johnniecakes
11-01-2018, 01:39 PM
More than Jan? Don't think so.

I would suggest that Lance was preparing for July much earlier than Jan. I don't believe LA gained the kind of weight that JU did. To me this means JU started his prep significantly later (June?) and therefore LA was more focused and because he wanted it more.

msl819
11-01-2018, 02:12 PM
I have to agree with that assessment. You can't win against the very best and be a sweet guy. You have to have a core that will not give in. This is true in every sport. I can think of very few people who compete on that level who aren't. Drew Brees comes to mind.

Make no mistake. Lance is a dick. He also is obsessed with details and preparation to win. More so than anyone he competed against.

While I think that Drew is probably a really good guy, make no mistake, when it come to competition - he is a killer. As has been stated, all the great ones are. The question is what kind of person are they away from their area of success. Lance, Drew, MJ, Serena, Tiger, they all have a mode of operation and ability to focus that very few have. I am sure this is true in all arenas not just sport. Some can seem to turn it off and other seem not to be able to.

Mr. Pink
11-01-2018, 06:01 PM
More than Jan? Don't think so.

Party boy. And still at it.

velomateo
11-01-2018, 06:52 PM
There are many great champions that have class
Sagan
Chaves
Dumolin
Chris Froome
Valverde
Boonen
Cancellara

Not saying these guys lack class, but several of these guys have served suspensions related to doping, and Froome caught a break literally hours before the Tour started.

csm
11-01-2018, 07:20 PM
There are many great champions that have class

Sagan

Chaves

Dumolin

Chris Froome

Valverde

Boonen

Cancellara



If one can't make the distinction between dopestrong's utter corruption and moral bankruptcy, and being an elite competitive cyclist, than his b.s. pr is working.

He is everything wrong with sports.



Wiggins job is to sell books. Throwing self-serving garbage out there to get sales. Too bad he couldn't think of a more interesting story about himself to advertise.



The only thing that passage tells me is Wiggo can justify cheating.


Where does their class come from? They all dope. It's simply not believable that it's anything but business as usual.
And remember. Lance never tested positive.


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pbarry
11-01-2018, 08:24 PM
Where does their class come from? They all dope. It's simply not believable that it's anything but business as usual.
And remember. Lance never tested positive.


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OK then.

pasadena
11-01-2018, 10:46 PM
Not saying these guys lack class, but several of these guys have served suspensions related to doping, and Froome caught a break literally hours before the Tour started.

I was responding to a statement that all champions have to be dicks.

velomateo
11-02-2018, 07:23 AM
I was responding to a statement that all champions have to be dicks.

And I was just pointing out that a few of these guys and "dopestrong" used to bump in to each other at the pharmacy.