Any interest in a paceline Whole 30 attempt?

[MattTuck]

Considering doing this. Wonder if others want to make it a group effort.... what's the old idiom.... misery loves company?

[Nooch]

It's wonderful.

I'm in.

I've been trying to do another with several failed attempts the past few months.

My issue is once I went off I fell in love with craft beers... so, of the 40 lbs I lost following the tenets of the W30, I've put back on 20..

[velofinds]

of the 40 lbs I lost following the tenets of the W30, I've put back on 20..

That's still great.

[Nooch]

That's still great.

i just love beeeeeeeeeeeeer...

sigh.

[velofinds]

i just love beeeeeeeeeeeeer...

sigh.

I think that's fine. Maybe you just need to cut something out that you love less, whatever that might be.

[JimmyTango]

What is Whole 30?

[Andy sti]

What is Whole 30?

Glad you asked, I thought I might be the only one. :)

[velofinds]

https://www.google.com/search?q=What+is+Whole+30

[shinomaster]

My gf did this recently and I think I might try it.

[jtakeda]

I’d really like to know the reasoning for cutting out legumes.

The others I can understand.

[John H.]

Most people would have significant weight loss if they followed this-
But I think most would have a hard time sticking to it-

[Louis]

What the heck is wrong with grains, legumes, and soy?

The simplest diet is just to 1) eat less of everything, and 2) less of the bad stuff.

But if you want to eat more broccoli (which I happen to like) and rice cakes (meh), that's OK.

[TonyG]

I looked into in several months ago and read the books available but never did it. And I forgot why I didn't :confused:

I'll have to look into it again as I could stand to drop 20 lbs myself.

[ptourkin]

What the heck is wrong with grains, legumes, and soy?

The simplest diet is just to 1) eat less of everything, and 2) less of the bad stuff.

But if you want to eat more broccoli (which I happen to like) and rice cakes (meh), that's OK.

Rice is a grain.

[adub]

Geez this is a cycling website..

Ride your bike more, eat less, be ok feeling hungry.

Repeat

[Louis]

Rice is a grain.

And there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

We might learn a thing or two from these countries:

(I couldn't find any info on the US, but Canada's around 10 kg / year, and we probably aren't too far off that.)

https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/rice-consumption-per-capita/chart/

[ptourkin]

And there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

Also nothing wrong with soy. The reason this "diet" works is that people pay attention for 30 days. It really doesn't matter what you adopt for the short term, it will work.

BTW - there is increasing research that lectins in grains are inflammatory.
Some are familiar with Trevor Conner on the Velonews Podcast and he discusses it here and gives citations:

https://www.velonews.com/2018/02/podcast/fast-talk-podcast-ep-37-nutrition-sugar-wheat-paleo-and-performance_456058

I'm vegan as an ethical issue, not a diet but I have found that cutting down on grains and processed sugar is an excellent way for me to cut weight when the seasons change and I also feel better.

[Louis]

i'm vegan as an ethical issue

+1

[MattTuck]

What the heck is wrong with grains, legumes, and soy?

The simplest diet is just to 1) eat less of everything, and 2) less of the bad stuff.

But if you want to eat more broccoli (which I happen to like) and rice cakes (meh), that's OK.

Yes, probably eating less of the bad stuff would be the best solution. But despite my desire to follow such a plan, I am still eating the bad stuff. Won't get into the reasons, but for me to follow whole 30, it is going to require some up front investment each week to prepare meals and snacks, so that I do not end up choosing easy (read: bad) stuff.

I'm not sure that the whole 30 plan is necessarily the definitive word. I think if you follow it in principle, of eating less refined stuff, you'd probably do as well.

There's a whole thing about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. If you found some heirloom wheat variety, and milled it yourself, I'd bet it would turn into some pretty healthy flour compared to the mass produced stuff available at most stores.

I think a lot of people follow a plan better with clearly defined boundaries. Black and white, so to speak. If you're living a healthy lifestyle and those are part of it, probably no reason to look at whole 30.

[Louis]

Yes, probably eating less of the bad stuff would be the best solution. But despite my desire to follow such a plan, I am still eating the bad stuff. Won't get into the reasons, but for me to follow whole 30, it is going to require some up front investment each week to prepare meals and snacks, so that I do not end up choosing easy (read: bad) stuff.

I've found that it's easy to avoid the bad stuff at home - I just don't buy it.

At work it's a bit more complicated, but my solution is to stock the two areas where I work with healthy stuff for meals and/or snacks, and if I'm hungry I eat that. If I eat it and I'm still hungry, then tough.

[oldpotatoe]

What the heck is wrong with grains, legumes, and soy?

The simplest diet is just to 1) eat less of everything, and 2) less of the bad stuff.

But if you want to eat more broccoli (which I happen to like) and rice cakes (meh), that's OK.

EB, EL, DL, RL
Eat Better
Eat Less
Drink Less(alcohol)
Ride Lots
:)

[R3awak3n]

I am not a fan of W30. My wife did it, she was miserable for 30 days, lost a bunch of weight and then gained it all back. IMO of course. Good luck

[ORMojo]

EB, EL, DL, RL
Eat Better
Eat Less
Drink Less(alcohol)
Ride Lots
:)

And the one I'd add, that I don't think gets mentioned anywhere near enough:

SPSW

Sleep Plenty, Sleep Well

[MattTuck]

I am not a fan of W30. My wife did it, she was miserable for 30 days, lost a bunch of weight and then gained it all back. IMO of course. Good luck

Interesting. Yes, that is the problem with doing something that is intense and then going back to the old ways. I'm sure I'd have the same result if, at the end, I reintroduced ice cream and all the other crap that is a problem for me. I guess you go into it believing (perhaps wrongly) that after the 30 days are up, you're going to be a changed person and not revert back to the bad habits that you had before you started.

And the one I'd add, that I don't think gets mentioned anywhere near enough:

SPSW

Sleep Plenty, Sleep Well

LOL. Oh, then it's hopeless for me no matter what I do.

[Louis]

I'm sure I'd have the same result if, at the end, I reintroduced ice cream and all the other crap that is a problem for me.

I think of these in terms of how long I would have to ride (or these days, row) to burn off the calories. Given how long that usually is, that's usually enough to discourage me.

[Louis]

Another thing, given how efficient cycling is in terms of calories burned per unit of time, unless you're riding a lot, and hard, it's easier to loose weight by cutting back on the input rather than increasing the output.

But of course, riding is more fun than going hungry or not eating or drinking all the good stuff. If my knees could take it, I would run, because that's a much better way to burn calories, but my body can't take the punishment.

[oldpotatoe]

And the one I'd add, that I don't think gets mentioned anywhere near enough:

SPSW

Sleep Plenty, Sleep Well

AMEN brother!! Naps in the afternoon are an essential part of me and my wife's regimen..particularly when nannying..

[Nooch]

The point of the Whole30 is that it's not a diet, not a crash diet, not a lifestyle change, not any of that.

Yes, side effects include weight loss and other good things that come from generally cleaning up your diet.

But the reality is the whole30 is an EXPERIMENT.

After 30 days you add back the groups, one by one, with two days in between each, to see how the food you eat effects you.

When I was able to cut the sugar for 30 days, re-introducing it was eye-opening. The addiction to sugar I have is real -- if I have it, I want it, more of it, all of it.

Grains, I found, I don't really have an issue with but immediately felt the bloat when re-introducing them.

Do I have to do a whole30 again? No. I know what I need to stay away from, but I'm currently having a problem doing it, so a 30 day reset to try and get back to following what I should be following is a good thing for me.

Listen, I know people who have done one and their first meal back was Penne Vodka with Chicken Parm. No, I'm sorry, that's not how you do a Whole30. That's how you crash diet for 30 days and set yourself back on track to gain all the weight back.

Even Melissa Hartwig has said, hundreds of times, that you can't eat W30 every day of your life. It's not healthy to restrict yourself from everything. But the other point is to re-establish your relationship with food.

I urge y'all to read "It Starts With Food" if you're considering doing this. It lays out the plan, why you're cutting out each group (yeah, legumes are a grey area and as long as you're eating legumes that are more pod than bean you're cool). There are also "rules" to follow as far as making sure each meal is sitting down, and relaxed, and not a stressful thing. You're not supposed to weigh yourself. You're supposed to realize that the number on the scale isn't the end all and be all of happiness (but, we're cyclists, so we tend to obsess over that number as it pertains to performance). The Rules (https://whole30.com/whole30-program-rules/)

There's so much more to it than just cutting out crap for 30 days.

[Nooch]

I guess you go into it believing (perhaps wrongly) that after the 30 days are up, you're going to be a changed person and not revert back to the bad habits that you had before you started.



That's part of it. And some people realize after 30 days that they can eat this way, and go 45 or 60, because they don't feel strong enough to actually have broken those ties.

[fiamme red]

https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/the-weekly-spin-one-cyclists-experience-with-a-month-of-unprocessed-foods/

[fmradio516]

Bumping this up.. Today was my first day. Dont know what to expect. Will probably fail miserably. But I havent been cycling the last few months and it shows.

Anyone have any tips/recipes that they love?

[Louis]

Anyone have any tips

I said a version of this above in Post #20, but I'll repeat it here just the same:

It's a lot easier to resist the siren call of junk food for the 15 minutes you're in the grocery store than if you buy it and take it home, where it can call you from the fridge or cupboard for hours on end.

[dmitrik4]

I got through the diet part of W30 with no problems sticking to it. As mentioned, if it’s not in the house, it’s pretty easy not to eat it. Where it was really difficult was with cycling; I got bored with such a restrictive diet that I wasn’t eating very much (but wasn’t hungry), and I found myself struggling just to complete warmup rides, never mind actual workouts. I did lose almost 10lbs that month.

[tomato coupe]

This thread has probably outlived the fad diet under discussion.

[Baron Blubba]

I said a version of this above in Post #20, but I'll repeat it here just the same:

It's a lot easier to resist the siren call of junk food for the 15 minutes you're in the grocery store than if you buy it and take it home, where it can call you from the fridge or cupboard for hours on end.

I have no idea what Whole 30 is and have only read the first post and the (currently) last page of this thread, but Louis is spot-on here.

The battle you can win doesn't take place in your kitchen, it takes place in the grocery store. Allowing junk food into your home is kind of like Britain allowing the Germans to annex Western Czechslovakia in 1938. Should have just said NO when they still had the power to say no. Once the junk food is in your pantry, will you really be able to resist it?

[crankles]

But the reality is the whole30 is an EXPERIMENT.

After 30 days you add back the groups, one by one, with two days in between each, to see how the food you eat effects you.

When I was able to cut the sugar for 30 days, re-introducing it was eye-opening. The addiction to sugar I have is real -- if I have it, I want it, more of it, all of it.

Grains, I found, I don't really have an issue with but immediately felt the bloat when re-introducing them.

Do I have to do a whole30 again? No. I know what I need to stay away from, but I'm currently having a problem doing it, so a 30 day reset to try and get back to following what I should be following is a good thing for me.

Listen, I know people who have done one and their first meal back was Penne Vodka with Chicken Parm. No, I'm sorry, that's not how you do a Whole30. That's how you crash diet for 30 days and set yourself back on track to gain all the weight back.

Even Melissa Hartwig has said, hundreds of times, that you can't eat W30 every day of your life. It's not healthy to restrict yourself from everything. But the other point is to re-establish your relationship with food.

I urge y'all to read "It Starts With Food" if you're considering doing this. It lays out the plan, why you're cutting out each group (yeah, legumes are a grey area and as long as you're eating legumes that are more pod than bean you're cool). There are also "rules" to follow as far as making sure each meal is sitting down, and relaxed, and not a stressful thing. You're not supposed to weigh yourself. You're supposed to realize that the number on the scale isn't the end all and be all of happiness (but, we're cyclists, so we tend to obsess over that number as it pertains to performance). The Rules (https://whole30.com/whole30-program-rules/)

There's so much more to it than just cutting out crap for 30 days.

ALL of This.

[Nooch]

ALL of This.

Damn, I was so wise back then.

Seems I'm due for another...

[cgolvin]

i just love beeeeeeeeeeeeer...

sigh.

@Nooch, I assume that you're now on the short list for the Supreme Court.

[makoti]

https://www.google.com/search?q=What+is+Whole+30

I couldn't get past the very first "don't". My seed bars I eat every morning (homemade) have Maple syrup & molasses. I'm out.
Plus, there is not a chance I could (or would want to) stick to anything that restrictive.
Maybe I'll try parts of it.

[XXtwindad]

@Nooch, I assume that you're now on the short list for the Supreme Court.

Good one Charlie!

[sipmeister]

Getting accustomed to feeling hungry was what worked for me. Once I boiled it down to the fact that no matter what a person eats or drinks, it all turns to crap and piss, made it easy to no longer indulge the senses. The body just wants good fuel. It’s the taste buds and mind that need to be reigned in.

[MattTuck]

This thread has probably outlived the fad diet under discussion.

I know what you mean, but this "fad" diet, is really just eating consistent with the natural food environment we evolved in. If anything, this style of eating NOT being popular is an indication of how messed up our modern food environment has become.