Rare pinarello value + which model?

[tuscanyswe]

So ive been assigned to find out the ish-value on this pinarello road titan. Cant find any good info about this nor barely any pictures of similar models. Im thinking its very rare. Anyone know more or care to guesstimate a value for the frame?

It has the original fork as well separately and its obviously not dressed well in these photos but its in pretty nice condition..

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1820/43296646945_5601d1a22e_h.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1894/43296646705_f68e10afdd_h.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1893/43296645945_fa0b6d1b69_h.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1866/30335374738_08404cf2c9_c.jpg


Also this light blue pina with very worn logos. Which model is this, do you know?


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1859/42394888770_f3fd8b7174_h.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1818/30335162878_d4878eb343_h.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1820/42394888030_f865aef808_h.jpg


Thanks
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[ntb1001]

The 2nd One looks the the Record model.
I had one way back in 81’ the only difference I see is full chrome rear end....mine was only chrome chainstays. The Montelo model had full chrome rear, but this isn’t the Montelo, so it might be similar vintage to Montelo, but lower model.



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[merckxman]

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=205618

[tuscanyswe]

The 2nd One looks the the Record model.
I had one way back in 81’ the only difference I see is full chrome rear end....mine was only chrome chainstays. The Montelo model had full chrome rear, but this isn’t the Montelo, so it might be similar vintage to Montelo, but lower model.



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Thanks i was thinking maybe montello. Can u say for sure its not? Maybi ask what features exclude it if so? Always fun to learn bike stuff. Dident know there was a record, should have known seems every brand has this modell ;)

[ntb1001]

The Montelo had full rear chrome triangle with chrome fork, but the fork crown was the cinelli slopping style. Also had SLX instead of SL. Also had internal rear brake routing, braze on front derailleur, 2 sets of water bottle mounts, slightly different decals.



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[colker]

Montello does not have the chainstays bridge.
Pinarello had so many models. Some of them are basically the same bike as happened w/ Vuelta and Stelvio. it´s hard to tell from a couple of pics.

[ultraman6970]

You have ebay price which is not going to be paid anyways and you have forums pricing...

Ive seen those titanium ones a couple of times but personally dont know how much it could bring, maybe 1200 bucks as it is? At ebay you might see something like 2000 bucks but that doesnt mean will sell.

THe other pinarello is old, maybe a record? frame needs a new paint job, chrome looks ok... maybe 400 bucks as it sits, even with that c record chainring included, which can be used as a hook to get it sold. Frame alone? 250 tops maybe, the problem is that a needed paint job makes it hard to sell because at that point the restoration budget goes too far IMO. So if not low enough dont worth the time and work to get it back in shape. More than 250 is hard in that frame imo.

That titanium is super nice.

YOu friend can remove the BB and the crankset and he has at least 150 right there, the calipers 40 maybe and the frame 200... call it a day. Old and in old condition is just old... thats the problem now a days.

[tuscanyswe]

You have ebay price which is not going to be paid anyways and you have forums pricing...

Ive seen those titanium ones a couple of times but personally dont know how much it could bring, maybe 1200 bucks as it is? At ebay you might see something like 2000 bucks but that doesnt mean will sell.

THe other pinarello is old, maybe a record? frame needs a new paint job, chrome looks ok... maybe 400 bucks as it sits, even with that c record chainring included, which can be used as a hook to get it sold. Frame alone? 250 tops maybe, the problem is that a needed paint job makes it hard to sell because at that point the restoration budget goes too far IMO. So if not low enough dont worth the time and work to get it back in shape. More than 250 is hard in that frame imo.

That titanium is super nice.

YOu friend can remove the BB and the crankset and he has at least 150 right there, the calipers 40 maybe and the frame 200... call it a day. Old and in old condition is just old... thats the problem now a days.

Thx the blue is mine but the titan is someone who might be looking to sell, tho not likely if those prices are somewhat accurate for the titan.

Thx for info!

[tuscanyswe]

Montello does not have the chainstays bridge.
Pinarello had so many models. Some of them are basically the same bike as happened w/ Vuelta and Stelvio. it´s hard to tell from a couple of pics.

Oh that should be easy to spot. Thx

[Rayomatic]

Diggin' the original fork on that Titan. Haven't seen that sloping chrome and logo before. Tell the owner to mount it back on!

[tuscanyswe]

Diggin' the original fork on that Titan. Haven't seen that sloping chrome and logo before. Tell the owner to mount it back on!

Yeah its nice. I allrdy did but he says its much better with the carbon fork. I havent ridden it so i can only say it does not look half as good .)

[Spaghetti Legs]

I’ll respectfully disagree with Ultraman and vote for a higher value on the steel frame and fork. The decals are about standard for an 80’s Pinarello and the chrome caps and fork crown are gorgeous, look to be in good shape overall as far as the chrome. I would try 400-450 for frame and fork, not including value of the other parts. If you want to sell it for $200-250, send me a PM!

Just about the only time you’ll find a Pinarello without flaky decals are repaints.

[tuscanyswe]

Thx spaghetti 2nd opinions is always a good thing. Cheers

[Burnette]

You have ebay price which is not going to be paid anyways and you have forums pricing...

Ive seen those titanium ones a couple of times but personally dont know how much it could bring, maybe 1200 bucks as it is? At ebay you might see something like 2000 bucks but that doesnt mean will sell.

THe other pinarello is old, maybe a record? frame needs a new paint job, chrome looks ok... maybe 400 bucks as it sits, even with that c record chainring included, which can be used as a hook to get it sold. Frame alone? 250 tops maybe, the problem is that a needed paint job makes it hard to sell because at that point the restoration budget goes too far IMO. So if not low enough dont worth the time and work to get it back in shape. More than 250 is hard in that frame imo.

That titanium is super nice.

YOu friend can remove the BB and the crankset and he has at least 150 right there, the calipers 40 maybe and the frame 200... call it a day. Old and in old condition is just old... thats the problem now a days.

Thanks for the info. I've been contemplating getting an older bike as a project and by looking around I found out much of what you posted here. Many bikes are in such a shape as to incur added expense and sometimes initial asking prices are IMO a bit high. Add to the fact that my size is rare to find and I have let the idea go.

[ultraman6970]

It is a mere thing of time to find the right one, unless you know people :D

Which size are you looking for??

[tuscanyswe]

In regard to the blue one i have to say the paint is not all that bad. Its mostly the decals that are falling apart. Bad pics ofc..

[tylercheung]

The signature on the front of the titan - that has some significance?

[tuscanyswe]

Good question. I dont know since i cant find a lot of other images of this bike in this paint. Well one photo (perhaps same bike even?) but on that frame its also there.

The story is both frames come from a "pro" mech in italy that worked from time to time in sweden and sold of some pinarellos to the gentleman who now owns it. The owner have had it for a long time and is really in to pinarellos but dont seem to know much about them .)

[tylercheung]

it *may* be a Dario Pegoretti-made frame based on this thread:

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=123461

But I am not an expert on these matters...

[tuscanyswe]

Thx for info.

But i never heard of Dario doing titanium? That would be sweet if so, then i will just chop of my legs below the knee and it will fit me fine :)
If true which i doubt it would likely be a very very rare item.

[Never]

The signature on the front of the titan - that has some significance?

it *may* be a Dario Pegoretti-made frame based on this thread:

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=123461

But I am not an expert on these matters...

Yours was a good question but, come on, that "built by Dario Pegoretti" claim is completely absurd.
Not you, I mean the person who claimed that, with no proof at all, in their first and only post, five years ago, referring to a Vuelta with those similar graphics.
And we are to take this claim on faith, really?
02-14-2013, 03:04 AM #15
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1
sidewayz
Registered User

Lovely bike. I have one too.
If there are 2 signatures on the top tube, the one closest to the headtube is of a "little known" Italian frame maker named Dario Pegoretti.. (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=1293599&postcount=15)
Serious? That is ridiculous.

1) Like tuscanyswe says there is no evidence at all, anywhere, that Dario Pegoretti ever built any titanium frames for anybody, not even himself.

2) Even the frames that are known Pegoretti-for-Pinarello are not signed anywhere by Pegoretti.

3) Those top tube graphics come from that era when Pinarello was just adding those crazy things to a lot of their frames, for pizzazz or whatever. They are just graphics, with no other meaning at all, and certainly no special builder's signature.


http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_01_Titan_zpsedpbptou.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_01_Titan_zpsedpbptou.jpg. html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_02_Titan_zpsvdfkrdhc.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_02_Titan_zpsvdfkrdhc.jpg. html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_03_Stelvio_zpsqoc69nio.jp g (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_03_Stelvio_zpsqoc69nio.jp g.html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_04_Stelvio_zps0fvxdpi1.jp g (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_04_Stelvio_zps0fvxdpi1.jp g.html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_05_Vuelta_zps1trdtppq.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_05_Vuelta_zps1trdtppq.jpg .html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_07_Decals_zpskrrmvph1.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_07_Decals_zpskrrmvph1.jpg .html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_06_Decals_zpsygjtz5p9.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_06_Decals_zpsygjtz5p9.jpg .html)

[colker]

Yours was a good question but, come on, that "built by Dario Pegoretti" claim is completely absurd.
Not you, I mean the person who claimed that, with no proof at all, in their first and only post, five years ago, referring to a Vuelta with those similar graphics.
And we are to take this claim on faith, really?
02-14-2013, 03:04 AM #15
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1
sidewayz
Registered User

Lovely bike. I have one too.
If there are 2 signatures on the top tube, the one closest to the headtube is of a "little known" Italian frame maker named Dario Pegoretti.. (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=1293599&postcount=15)
Serious? That is ridiculous.

1) Like tuscanyswe says there is no evidence at all, anywhere, that Dario Pegoretti ever built any titanium frames for anybody, not even himself.

2) Even the frames that are known Pegoretti-for-Pinarello are not signed anywhere by Pegoretti.

3) Those top tube graphics come from that era when Pinarello was just adding those crazy things to a lot of their frames, for pizzazz or whatever. They are just graphics, with no other meaning at all, and certainly no special builder's signature.


http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_01_Titan_zpsedpbptou.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_01_Titan_zpsedpbptou.jpg. html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_02_Titan_zpsvdfkrdhc.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_02_Titan_zpsvdfkrdhc.jpg. html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_03_Stelvio_zpsqoc69nio.jp g (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_03_Stelvio_zpsqoc69nio.jp g.html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_04_Stelvio_zps0fvxdpi1.jp g (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_04_Stelvio_zps0fvxdpi1.jp g.html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_05_Vuelta_zps1trdtppq.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_05_Vuelta_zps1trdtppq.jpg .html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_07_Decals_zpskrrmvph1.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_07_Decals_zpskrrmvph1.jpg .html)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_06_Decals_zpsygjtz5p9.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/Pinarello%20tt%20graphic_06_Decals_zpsygjtz5p9.jpg .html)

Yes. Pinarello Radius is Pegoretti´s work and he never signed Pinarello frames.