If you have doubts about your handlebar set up..

[colker]

Just copy this picture. This is the right way.
If it´s not comfortable, try to adapt. If it does not work, try again.

[charliedid]

Sure it is.

[colker]

De Vlaeminck is the king of style. He could race and handle a bike.

[charliedid]

De Vlaeminck is the king of style. He could race and handle a bike.

Of course he could handle a bike. Just because you have a crush on him doesn't mean everyone should set their bikes up like him.

[colker]

Of course he could handle a bike. Just because you have a crush on him doesn't mean everyone should set their bikes up like him.

Yes. You are right. I apologize.

Don´t do it like RdV. You are all free to do as you please!!

[Mike V]

https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/posters/presse-e-sports-the-incomparable-eddy-merckx_a-G-14368484-0.jpg

[colker]

https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/posters/presse-e-sports-the-incomparable-eddy-merckx_a-G-14368484-0.jpg

Exactly.

That´s quite a lot of seatpost showing ... for that time.

[macaroon]

Those look absolutely perfect. I imagine they'll be reissued by Rapha as part of a Heritage Collection ;-)

[charliedid]

Yes. You are right. I apologize.

Don´t do it like RdV. You are all free to do as you please!!

:p

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[macaroon]

The leg warmers, shoe covers, rain jacket, you mean? Natch.

The "Rapha De Vlaeminck Special Heritage Collection" I presume.

Oops, non-productive content.... :o
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:D

Well, they've just done saddles, so handlebars are probably next...

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[oldpotatoe]

Just copy this picture. This is the right way.
If it´s not comfortable, try to adapt. If it does not work, try again.

or

Geez, kinda what works, not how it looks, IMHO..some do it ala Yates(point to ground) and some do it ala weisan(point to saturn)...:)

[unterhausen]

I know it must be the perspective, but a couple of these bikes look like they have the bars rotated up too far. I remember BITD those Campagnolo levers were not too uncomfortable, but now I find them excruciating to use. I think bars and gearing are two things where things have gotten better. Even though the whole "slammed stem" thing has gone too far.

The one thing that's missing with modern levers is being able to warn someone of your presence with them. You could grab those old campagnolo levers and let loose, and they would make a nice "clack" Doesn't work with plastic.

[speedevil]

The one thing that's missing with modern levers is being able to warn someone of your presence with them. You could grab those old campagnolo levers and let loose, and they would make a nice "clack" Doesn't work with plastic.

I wish you hadn't said that. Now someone will rush out and get a patent named "bicycle brake lever release proximity warning device". And some folks will hail it as "a giant leap forward in safety."

Notwithstanding the fact that, while riding on rough chipseal or gravel, you will then be warning the crap out of everything within earshot.

Then there will be a new patent - "bicycle brake lever release proximity warning device override". And so on...

[colker]

Riding in the drops will get you somewhere.

[oldpotatoe]

I wish you hadn't said that. Now someone will rush out and get a patent named "bicycle brake lever release proximity warning device". And some folks will hail it as "a giant leap forward in safety."

Notwithstanding the fact that, while riding on rough chipseal or gravel, you will then be warning the crap out of everything within earshot.

Then there will be a new patent - "bicycle brake lever release proximity warning device override". And so on...

"Game Changer"!!!:eek:

[colker]

You can rotate slightly upwards if you have certain bars but keep those hoods low.

[colker]

Otoh i like how you CANNOT rotate anything on single piece carbon stem/handlebar like Pinarello´s: there is NO personal taste dictating sh*t there.

[unterhausen]

I wish you hadn't said that. Now someone will rush out and get a patent named "bicycle brake lever release proximity warning device". And some folks will hail it as "a giant leap forward in safety."

Notwithstanding the fact that, while riding on rough chipseal or gravel, you will then be warning the crap out of everything within earshot.
I was thinking they could add a small piece of sheet metal to both sides of the lever interface and it would make a nice clack. With the campagnolo setup, you had to do it on purpose to make the sound, the brake springs were too strong to make a rattle on rough surfaces. Plus there was a bit of a technique to let loose of the brake lever right to get a good sound out of it.

[quickfeet]

The 2006 Floyd Landis is probably closer to how most people set their bikes up...

[colker]

The 2006 Floyd Landis is probably closer to how most people set their bikes up...

square taper carbon campagnolo crankset

[Rusty Luggs]

The old style lever, before integration of shifting into the brake levers, were shaped very differently from modern levers. When on the hoods of the old style levers, which were much narrower, shorter and with a deep curve to the hood, you basically had your thumb hooked over the lever and your palm would be to the outside of the lever. There was a great deal of freedom to rotate you wrist around the crook between thumb and forefinger. Modern levers have you gripping them engaging more of your palm and it limits how you can rotate you wrist. I find for me that if I rotate modern lever downward of even level like I did with old style levers, it rotates my wrist forward which translates up to making me hunch my shoulders which is uncomfortable and fatiguing.
Emulating lever position from some racing hero of the past has no validity, in my experience and IMHO.

[colker]

The old style lever, before integration of shifting into the brake levers, were shaped very differently from modern levers. When on the hoods of the old style levers, which were much narrower, shorter and with a deep curve to the hood, you basically had your thumb hooked over the lever and your palm would be to the outside of the lever. There was a great deal of freedom to rotate you wrist around the crook between thumb and forefinger. Modern levers have you gripping them engaging more of your palm and it limits how you can rotate you wrist. I find for me that if I rotate modern lever downward of even level like I did with old style levers, it rotates my wrist forward which translates up to making me hunch my shoulders which is uncomfortable and fatiguing.
Emulating lever position from some racing hero of the past has no validity, in my experience and IMHO.

I have my thumb and palm over campagnolo brake shifters just like you described and I have small hands. My hbar is close in shape to a cinelli giro ditalia and the drops are paralel to the ground. Brake lever tips align w/ drops. It´s the most comfortable set up for long hours riding.

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[colker]

The single nice bit on that entire bicycle.
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Yes.

[redir]

I like the drops to point to the rear brake nut.

[colker]

My favourite piece of contemporary bicycle gear is the (very expensive) integrated stem hbar from pinarello just because no one can rotate those bars. Way to go Pinarello!

[shinomaster]

Just copy this picture. This is the right way.
If it´s not comfortable, try to adapt. If it does not work, try again.

But these bars don't exist anymore.

[colker]

But these bars don't exist anymore.

Point taken.;)

[Mike V]

Yes they do.

Look at fuzzalow's comments in this thread.
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=142303

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[Mike V]

Rear brake nut not rear axle!

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/mrparisroubaix_01_zpsxswhozdv.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/mrparisroubaix_01_zpsxswhozdv.jpg.html)





http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/mrparisroubaix_02_zpswb6b094l.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/mrparisroubaix_02_zpswb6b094l.jpg.html)

To each their own angle, of course, but one of these general positions in general looks easier on the wrists, much more comfortable, and better aesthetically, while the other looks just plain hard in all those aspects, to me.
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[OtayBW]

Rear brake nut not rear axle!
HAR!!

POTD! :banana:

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[colker]

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/mrparisroubaix_01_zpsxswhozdv.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/mrparisroubaix_01_zpsxswhozdv.jpg.html)





http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/mrparisroubaix_02_zpswb6b094l.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/mrparisroubaix_02_zpswb6b094l.jpg.html)

To each their own angle, of course, but one of these general positions in general looks easier on the wrists, much more comfortable, and better aesthetically, while the other looks just plain hard in all those aspects, to me.
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RdV bar position shortens the reach so he goes longer and lower on the stem. He rests his hand on the bars, closer to the hoods while riding. All the weight is on his feet so there is less shock from the bars and saddle. His body has the minimum tension possible between arms, back and thighs. He goes fast over the cobbles. When needing more power he will slide down his hands from the hoods to the drops and when he needs control he will move hands forward on the drops towards the brake levers. Like Moser is doing on the other picture.

[OtayBW]

Ooooooooops!

Rear brain fart, in my case! ;)

http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r654/traghetter/mrparisroubaix_03_zpsk8fmqupy.jpg (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/traghetter/media/mrparisroubaix_03_zpsk8fmqupy.jpg.html)
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Ha! Much better! ;)

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[charliedid]

I have my thumb and palm over campagnolo brake shifters just like you described and I have small hands. My hbar is close in shape to a cinelli giro ditalia and the drops are paralel to the ground. Brake lever tips align w/ drops. It´s the most comfortable set up for long hours riding.



Fascist bike fitters the world over are all identifiable by their tiny hands. [emoji23]


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[colker]

Fascist bike fitters the world over are all identifiable by their tiny hands. [emoji23]


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Huh? Has this individual been banned yet? Or is he still here?

[charliedid]

Huh? Has this individual been banned yet? Or is he still here?

Get a sense of humor.

[colker]

Fascist bike fitters the world over are all identifiable by their tiny hands. [emoji23]


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Should i reply to this individual? It would be fun... but i guess there must be rules. Boring, I know... but necessary.

Moderators?:help:

[colker]

Get a sense of humor.

Huh... I could but I rather watch you banned for breaking forum rules.:rolleyes:

[FlashUNC]

Its a wonder this guy ever won anything, what with his bars set up the way they were.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TqWUygLvWd0/SzZJvAZLZiI/AAAAAAAAADk/8KXZy_NDKWs/s320/VDB.jpg

[colker]

Its a wonder this guy ever won anything, what with his bars set up the way they were.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TqWUygLvWd0/SzZJvAZLZiI/AAAAAAAAADk/8KXZy_NDKWs/s320/VDB.jpg

I rode w/ my bars like that for years but slowly moved them.. rotating them down. It works much better.

[Mike V]

Earlier on he might have
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/johan-museeuw-frank-vandenbroucke-01021997-tour-de-majorque-picture-id822999022

Its a wonder this guy ever won anything, what with his bars set up the way they were.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TqWUygLvWd0/SzZJvAZLZiI/AAAAAAAAADk/8KXZy_NDKWs/s320/VDB.jpg

[colker]

Earlier on he might have
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/johan-museeuw-frank-vandenbroucke-01021997-tour-de-majorque-picture-id822999022

Oh yeah... looking good!;)

[charliedid]

Huh... I could but I rather watch you banned for breaking forum rules.:rolleyes:

So funny.

I swear I thought this entire thread was satire but you are serious.

freedoityourselfbikefits.com "Just match the photo"

Brilliant

[colker]

So funny.

I swear I thought this entire thread was satire but you are serious.

freedoityourselfbikefits.com "Just match the photo"

Brilliant

You are still here? The mods didn´t ban you? Amazing.

[FlashUNC]

Earlier on he might have
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/johan-museeuw-frank-vandenbroucke-01021997-tour-de-majorque-picture-id822999022

I dunno. With rotated bars he did win LBL. With flat bars he's just a domestique for Museeuw.

Seems to blow a pretty big hole in this otherwise iron clad "bars must be this way" theory.

[FlashUNC]

Oh noes, I wish someone told Big Mig this advice too. Think of how many Tours he could have won if only he'd used proper bar placement.

...wait I'm just now reading he won 5 in a row. Never mind.

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/images-all/photo-galleries-images/racers-images/indurain-miguel/1994-tdf-19-1-indurain.jpg

[colker]

Oh noes, I wish someone told Big Mig this advice too. Think of how many Tours he could have won if only he'd used proper bar placement.

...wait I'm just now reading he won 5 in a row. Never mind.

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/images-all/photo-galleries-images/racers-images/indurain-miguel/1994-tdf-19-1-indurain.jpg

His set up is perfect!

[R3awak3n]

https://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/RCC-Canyon-Bike-0920.jpg

rapha bike. integrated handlebars. sram. definitely $10k plus. non mechanical.

I know you are still breathing because there is no disc brakes... Was almost a 1 shot kill.


I like team ride what you like

[charliedid]

Oh noes, I wish someone told Big Mig this advice too. Think of how many Tours he could have won if only he'd used proper bar placement.

...wait I'm just now reading he won 5 in a row. Never mind.

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/images-all/photo-galleries-images/racers-images/indurain-miguel/1994-tdf-19-1-indurain.jpg

Fluke

[FlashUNC]

Mama Mia. How ever did Andrea Tafi win Roubaix with such an aerodynamic disadvantage?

https://messengerdad.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/l1.jpg

[colker]

I dunno. With rotated bars he did win LBL. With flat bars he's just a domestique for Museeuw.

Seems to blow a pretty big hole in this otherwise iron clad "bars must be this way" theory.

Hmmm... so rotating up his bars he gained power? I thought this was about comfort.. That´s what i hear all the time: "it´s more comfortable this way".
All i am saying is i have way more comfort the other way. I never measure my speed. I don´t care. It´s about how i feel and i feel much better w/ the way RdV set his bars.

[colker]

Mama Mia. How ever did Andrea Tafi win Roubaix with such an aerodynamic disadvantage?

https://messengerdad.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/l1.jpg

Does anyone win PR based on aerodynamics? Ahhh... you think RdV set his bike for Roubaix based on aerodynamics?

[colker]

https://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/RCC-Canyon-Bike-0920.jpg

rapha bike. integrated handlebars. sram. definitely $10k plus. non mechanical.

I know you are still breathing because there is no disc brakes... Was almost a 1 shot kill.


I like team ride what you like

Perfect set up.

[FlashUNC]

Hmmm... so rotating up his bars he gained power? I thought this was about comfort..

I'm not sure what this is about. But it is an excuse to look at some cool photos.

[joosttx]

Hey, do you know what a cowboy hat and a hemorrhoid have in common?????

[colker]

I'm not sure what this is about. But it is an excuse to look at some cool photos.

Exactly. Now you got it..

[colker]

Hey, do you what a cowboy hat and a hemorrhoid have in common?????

;);););)

[FlashUNC]

Oh noes, not Nibali too. How does he descend with such a handicap at the bars?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2016/0218/r55212_608x342_16-9.jpg

[Mike V]

Johans setup was far superior. Vdb didn't even have a chance. He was busy chasing rainbows.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Print-Gallery/Monk/i-ZNFWcS8/0/4c23c652/M/JM%2067-M.jpg

I dunno. With rotated bars he did win LBL. With flat bars he's just a domestique for Museeuw.

Seems to blow a pretty big hole in this otherwise iron clad "bars must be this way" theory.

[AngryScientist]

let's not forget this popular set-up:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5340/7076869237_8595f2e075_b.jpg

[R3awak3n]

let's not forget this popular set-up:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5340/7076869237_8595f2e075_b.jpg

not compact so its a classic setup

[charliedid]

let's not forget this popular set-up:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5340/7076869237_8595f2e075_b.jpg

I've always know it as Key West style!

Fairly common here in Chicago :-)

[charliedid]

not compact so its a classic setup

0 degree stem not very Pro.

[colker]

let's not forget this popular set-up:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5340/7076869237_8595f2e075_b.jpg

Lovely.:fight:

[colker]

Johans setup was far superior. Vdb didn't even have a chance. He was busy chasing rainbows.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Print-Gallery/Monk/i-ZNFWcS8/0/4c23c652/M/JM%2067-M.jpg

Colnago cross bike and... class. Something hard to find these days.You either have it or you don´t have it.

[arik]

What kind of front brake is on that Colnago cross bike?

[Marin]

What kind of front brake is on that Colnago cross bike?

Looks like XTR cantis to me

[GonaSovereign]

Colnago cross bike and... class. Something hard to find these days.You either have it or you don´t have it.

That's not a cross frame, but actually something more rare: a master road frame with canti posts added for mud clearance.

[happycampyer]

not compact so its a classic setup
And the bar ends are parallel to the ground.

[Bob Ross]

What the hell is going on in this thread? For five pages I've been thinking I clicked on bikeforums.net