stem for an older CSI [Archive] - The Paceline Forum

konstantkarma

10-08-2006, 09:00 PM

I just took possession of a late 90s CSI that is just my size, except for the stem. It has a Serotta threaded steel fork, and Cinelli 120mm quill. I think a 100 or 110 would fit me better. The question is should I try to replace the Cinelli with another similar quill,, or should I purchase a quill adapter, and a 1-1/8" non-quill stem? Either way, I would like the final configuration to be fairly stiff, since I spend a fair amount of time out of the saddle while climbing. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

CSIRider

10-09-2006, 04:41 AM

I use a Salsa on my '98 CSI and have been very pleased with it. Quiet, strong, stiff, and incredibly durable. I understand they've made the quill a bit longer on this year's stems. Read what Road Review has to say about the older ones first; I think you'll be pleased. You can pick them up on E-bay occasionally. (One drawback: even though I don't ride in the rain, I do get some surface rust now and then that is simple to eliminate).

Gothard

10-09-2006, 05:42 AM

Nitto!
Grammo!
Salsa!

Keith A

10-09-2006, 05:58 AM

I also have a Salsa on my CSi and have been very happy with this stem. I saw that Jenson USA (http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/ST406B01-Salsa+Sul+260mm+1+Quill+Road+Stem.aspx?sc=QBIKE&x=y) is stocking the new quill stem from Salsa.

cruzroadie

10-09-2006, 10:54 AM

same stem at Universal Cycles in Nevada:
http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=11184&category=887

Serotta PETE

10-09-2006, 12:10 PM

Salsa works great.....they also come in a few "angles" besides length.

Fixed

10-09-2006, 01:36 PM

guill only please
cheers

Keith A

10-09-2006, 01:40 PM

guill only pleaseEspecially since Salsa offers a removable face plate -- thus removing the only negative of quill stems.

konstantkarma

10-09-2006, 07:47 PM

Thanks for all of the great feedback! I cleaned it up and took the CSI on her first shakedown ride. I am quite impressed with the balance of the bike and stiffness of the bottom bracket. I definitely need a shorter stem though. I have pretty much decided, based on the recommendations, to get the Salsa quill. Any advice on the angle? Salsa offers a 75, a 90, and a 105 deg. stem. Am I correct in assuming that the 90 degree stem would yield a rise of about 12 degrees from horizontal, since the CSI head tube is at 73 degrees?

FierteTi52

10-09-2006, 07:55 PM

Keith A

10-09-2006, 08:24 PM

Any advice on the angle? Salsa offers a 75, a 90, and a 105 deg. stem. Am I correct in assuming that the 90 degree stem would yield a rise of about 12 degrees from horizontal, since the CSI head tube is at 73 degrees?I personally like the looks of the 90 degree quill stem which allows you to have less quill showing than the 75 degree stem. Here's my CSi with that exact setup...

http://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=8054&stc=1
http://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1013&stc=1

dirtdigger88

10-09-2006, 09:01 PM

I like the Nitto made Shimano Stems-

BUT (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=222233&postcount=1) opinions vary

Jason

Big Dan

10-09-2006, 09:07 PM

Listen to the man......DD knows his quill stems yo........... :)

konstantkarma

10-09-2006, 09:08 PM

You didn't mention the bars you are using. If they are Cinelli, be aware that they did use a 26.4mm bar diameter on their older bars. If this is the case, you can only use their stem. If the bars are 26mm, you have many choices
Jeff

Thanks Jeff. They are Cinelli Eubios bars. I did a web search, and they were made in both 26, and 26.4mm sizes. There are no markings on the bars or the Cinelli stem to indicate the diameters, but my eyes and my tape measure tell me the bar is a 26mm. Of course, a difference of 400 microns is hard to see bye eye. I don't have a suitable caliper. Is there any other way to tell the difference between a 26mm and a 26.4 mm bar?

Thanks,

Carl

konstantkarma

10-09-2006, 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=Keith A]I personally like the looks of the 90 degree quill stem which allows you to have less quill showing than the 75 degree stem. Here's my CSi with that exact setup...

Thanks Keith. That is exactly what I am looking for. So, the 90 degree stem gives you about a 12 degree rise? It looks like you have a spacer at the top of the headset? Or is that just part of the headset?

BTW, sweet ride! I'll post a pic of mine, once I figure out the process.

Carl

konstantkarma

10-09-2006, 09:45 PM

Here is a pic of my new old CSI. Freshly washed detailed and lubed. Full 9 speed Chorus, Serotta steel fork, and Mavic Reflex wheels.

PacNW2Ford

10-10-2006, 01:51 AM

A 90� stem will yield a 17� rise (90-73=17). See photo for some other options. The Salsa is an original California-built pre-QBP custom, 85�, 110mm extension measured perpendicular to the quill. It is used, but in great condition. The silver stem is a NOS 3ttt Pro Chrome TIG-ed quill stem (Columbus Thron tubing) 73� and 110mm along extension. I think I have another original Salsa 100mm 100� stem around here. That one would be old school with all white "Salsa" logos. This is my stem museum, but may let them go to a good home.

PacNW2Ford

10-10-2006, 02:01 AM

Oops, it's late. The 100mm Salsa would be a 95�, not a 100�. The bar shown in the pic is a 42cm 3ttt Paris-Roubaix Merckx-bend from the 90's. I think it weighs around 310g, but is stiff and designed for riding on cobbles.

steelrider

10-10-2006, 02:19 AM

Here is a pic of my new old CSI. Freshly washed detailed and lubed. Full 9 speed Chorus, Serotta steel fork, and Mavic Reflex wheels.

Sweet looking ride, bro. Stay true and keep it Campy. As for a quill, TTT is always cool.

Keith A

10-10-2006, 09:05 AM

Thanks Keith. That is exactly what I am looking for. So, the 90 degree stem gives you about a 12 degree rise? It looks like you have a spacer at the top of the headset? Or is that just part of the headset?Carl,

As PacNW2Ford stated, a 90� stem would give you 17� rise. As for my setup, this is a CK 2Nut headset with a spacer below the top nut and the Salsa stem is 110mm long -- see the close up picture below. I also took the picture of your bike and put my stem on it so you can see how your bike would look with a Salsa 90� stem on it.

BTW, what size frame is that? It looks like a 54/55 to me (mine is 54L).

Marcusaurelius

10-10-2006, 09:27 AM

I would avoid 3t, cinelli and nitto if you want a very stiff stem. I once put a 130mm quill stem on my road bike and it was a bit flexy for my tastes. 140mm salsa cromoly stem was quite stiff. The stiffest combination I have found is ritchey threadless oversized handlebars and stem but you would need an adapter.

I found 90 degree stems raise my handlebars too much and I can't get my handlebars low enough to get comfortable.

konstantkarma

10-10-2006, 02:39 PM

BTW, what size frame is that? It looks like a 54/55 to me (mine is 54L).

Thanks for the info and the photochop Keith! I like the look of the Salsa on my bike. I think the 17 degree rise would be good because I'm not a flexible as I used to be. The frame is a stock 54cm.

Carl

Fixed

10-10-2006, 02:44 PM

I dig your bike bro .. but a black stem ?
cheers

konstantkarma

10-11-2006, 09:41 AM

To begin with thanks for all of your feedback. It has been really helpful! I measured the handlebar with a vernier caliper last night, and it is indeed a 26.4mm :crap: (thanks for the info Jeff). So, this limits my options to another Cinelli 26.4 used or NOS stem, or a new stem/bar combination. I am leaning towards a new stem and bar, simply because I don't know how many miles are on the Cinelli Eubios drops that came with the bike, and I would like a stiffer stem. So, my new question is what is a good 26.0mm handlebar that is fairly light (<250g), and won't break the bank? Ergonomic design would also be a plus, and a medium reach and drop are preferred. Again, thanks for your assistance!

Carl

Fixed

10-11-2006, 10:01 AM

coke can shim
cheers

dirtdigger88

10-11-2006, 10:04 AM

or you can get one of the Nitto made Shimano stems- from Peter White-

the stem has a unique clamping method that is different than other stems-

because of it you can you bars from 25.8 to 26.6 with the same stem-

want proof- look at my CSi- those bars are 26.0

look at my kirk- those bars are 26.6-

oh the joys in life-

Jason