new centaur-11 cogset

[AngryScientist]

Got in a new centaur cogset today, the new 11-sp stuff.

already got a ride out with it, shifts fine, but the quality is notably worse than potenza. not finished nearly as well. obviously a step down.

cost is lower too, accordingly, but when potenza came out, the cassettes were, IMO on par quality wise with chorus.

just an observation...

[tuscanyswe]

Got in a new centaur cogset today, the new 11-sp stuff.

already got a ride out with it, shifts fine, but the quality is notably worse than potenza. not finished nearly as well. obviously a step down.

cost is lower too, accordingly, but when potenza came out, the cassettes were, IMO on par quality wise with chorus.

just an observation...

So the athena cassettes were chorus but potenza had their own which are now replaced with centuar but worse quali? Its getting harder to keep up .)

[FlashUNC]

Doesn't look much different to old Centaur/Veloce 10 speed to my eye.

Won't win any beauty contests for finish work, but those always shifted well and lasted long for me. I'd wager this latest version of Centaur will be much the same.

[saab2000]

If it shifts OK don’t worry too much about it. I have some 105 cassettes. They’re not winning beauty pageants either but they work well. And I’ve had cheap Campagnolo cassettes and noticed no functional differences.

They’re less beautifully finished because they cost way, way less than the Super Record cassettes.

[AngryScientist]

agreed. i'm a 105/veloce level guy for consumables. just what i noticed about it right out of the box. it'll be black soon anyway.

[saab2000]

agreed. i'm a 105/veloce level guy for consumables. just what i noticed about it right out of the box. it'll be black soon anyway.

Floss it often and it'll be just fine. The chain doesn't know it's not Super Record.

[john segal]

Are the cogs loose like 10spd Veloce, or riveted together?

[AngryScientist]

the largest 4 (if i remember right...) are riveted, the tops are loose.

[ultraman6970]

Dont understand why campagnolo kept centaur... they should have started the line up with potenza...

[choke]

the largest 4 (if i remember right...) are riveted, the tops are loose.I'd read that....thanks for confirming. I had hoped that I could make a Frankencassette using the 32 on a 10sp (friction so the spacing wouldn't matter) but I guess that idea is out the window.

[R3awak3n]

Dont understand why campagnolo kept centaur... they should have started the line up with potenza...

potenza is still expensive compared to 105.

[oldpotatoe]

Dont understand why campagnolo kept centaur... they should have started the line up with potenza...

Made more sense than keeping a 10s group(Veloce) or making Veloce 11s...

They nixed Centaur for a couple of years, then re-introduced it as 11s..and ala Potenza.

I still think Campag will someday be able to spell OEM..and maybe make some more of this stuff in Asia..where the frames are made. Or maybe make a "Fulcrum' group..

[icepick_trotsky]

I'll point out that I've had very nice shifting with a Miche cassette. Not the prettiest, but a very nice and affordable Campy-compatible consumable.

https://i.imgur.com/W81vE1vl.jpg

[shinomaster]

A used cassette is always ugly!

[macaroon]

Lower tier Campag cassettes are boat anchors compared to Shimano/SRAM stuff, they let the range down IMO, considering the mechs always seem top notch quality wise.

[raisinberry777]

Lower tier Campag cassettes are boat anchors compared to Shimano/SRAM stuff, they let the range down IMO, considering the mechs always seem top notch quality wise.

The 11-29 Centaur cassette is 291g, compared with the 286g for a 105 11-28. Hardly call that boat anchor territory.

[bfd]

The 11-29 Centaur cassette is 291g, compared with the 286g for a 105 11-28. Hardly call that boat anchor territory.

Well, Sram list the 11-30 11 speed cassette as weighing 186g and the 11-32 11spd cassette as weighing about 196g. So we're talking about a 100g savings.

Now, a Sram Red cassette will cost your around $250 versus $75-80 for the Centaur cassette or even less for the Ultegra/105 cassette, so there's that.

Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!

[OtayBW]

Well, Sram list the 11-30 11 speed cassette as weighing 186g and the 11-32 11spd cassette as weighing about 196g. So we're talking about a 100g savings.

Now, a Sram Red cassette will cost your around $250 versus $75-80 for the Centaur cassette or even less for the Ultegra/105 cassette, so there's that.

Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!I don't know anything about SRAM, but are you comparing apples to apples? Centaur is all steel whereas Campy SR has (6) Ti cogs with an equal or greater weight benefit, but a considerable extra cost.

[oldpotatoe]

Well, Sram list the 11-30 11 speed cassette as weighing 186g and the 11-32 11spd cassette as weighing about 196g. So we're talking about a 100g savings.

Now, a sram red cassette will cost your around $250 versus $75-80 for the Centaur cassette or even less for the Ultegra/105 cassette, so there's that.

Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!

And the extra noise is free!!:)

[macaroon]

The 11-29 Centaur cassette is 291g, compared with the 286g for a 105 11-28. Hardly call that boat anchor territory.

I was basing my observation on a 10 speed Veloce cassette that I have in my possession. 314g. No sprockets on an alloy carrier, just separate stamped steel sprockets. A good bit heavier than a 10 speed 105.

Perhaps 11 speed is different, maybe they've upped the quality? Where did you get your weights from?

[dddd]

You sure don't want to put boat anchor parts on your rear hub.

Get a Chorus cassette if the needed ratios can be found, and change the chain more often, rotate through three chains switching every 1k miles, consider SHIMANO chain as I have always found these to prevent shifting issues and even cure obvious shifting and breakage issues that were caused by other (particularly SRAM) branded chain ( I actually like current SRAM cassettes, particularly for older and cheaper bikes, but they won't work on any full-Campy bike).

That ugly new Campag cassette really looks almost like it came from one of the lower-tier factories in China, but actual country of origin is only one consideration.
If it shifts poorly the cassette is only one of many possible causes however. Perhaps the OP has done excellent setup with cables and adjustments, I can't say though. "New stuff should always work well"!

[raisinberry777]

I was basing my observation on a 10 speed Veloce cassette that I have in my possession. 314g. No sprockets on an alloy carrier, just separate stamped steel sprockets. A good bit heavier than a 10 speed 105.

Perhaps 11 speed is different, maybe they've upped the quality? Where did you get your weights from?

Came across this a while ago which has an incredibly detailed rundown of all sorts of cassettes:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16C3Rz6qmzmurSNd-L3IeMSFukkBFV6D1DRbfS59EDrE/edit#gid=976355591

CRC product page has the weight for the Centaur cassette too:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/au/en/campagnolo-centaur-11-speed-cassette/rp-prod161472

105 5800 11-28 weight here:

https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/shimano-105-cassette-cs-5800-11-28-212941