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weisan
12-20-2017, 08:35 PM
first and foremost, please note that we are entering into a judgement-free zone....and our usual disclaimer: DO NOT ATTEMPT to try this at home, the stunts are performed by highly skilled and experienced professionals who have undergone many years of specialized training.

okey dokey, with those two things out of the way: This thread is about broken bikes. Bikes that have flaws and blemishes that only we, ourselves, and possibly a handful of trusted friends know about. The extent of the damage can vary from a minor scratch, one that is so minor that you can only see them if you know where to look or under certain light conditions....or they can be super major....so major that it's a ticking time-bomb and only the crazies would continue to ride em'!

I will start first.

Here are three bikes that I currently own and ride on regularly, that are broken.

1) Paul Taylor. It's my first and only custom steel ritchey-breakaway bike. I have owned it for 10 years now. It has traveled extensively over three continents. It developed cracks in the bottom bracket and the head tube. Local framebuilder Nao Tomii fixed the BB for me several months ago. At first, I thought the crack in the headtube was a false alarm but later it was proven to be cracked as well. I even brought this very bike to D2R2 twice!
Yeah...I know what you are thinking...remember, we are inside the judgement-free zone. :p Besides if you think this is bad. wait till you hear more about...

http://alicehui.com/bike/HT1.jpg
http://alicehui.com/bike/BB1.jpg
https://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1697903486&stc=1&d=1436533908
https://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1697866312&stc=1&d=1377560819

2) Cyfac Absolu carbon superbike.
I bought this cheap from a forum pal who have fully disclosed its conditions. He bought it from someone else thinking that he will repair it before riding but ended up selling it to me before he did. The story goes that the original owner had crashed on the bike in icy roads and there were cracks found on the carbon fork and the top tube where the rear brake cable exits. When I first took ownership of the bike....oh btw, it's really pretty, these french guys made it into a work of art, seriously...anyway, so I got hold of the bike, I looked at it for 30 seconds and decided to build it up and ride as is. ....ah ah ah :no: ....judgement-free zone, remember?
I crashed on this bike a few weeks ago. Not a scratch....press on!
At the moment, it's the BEST-RIDING bike in my collection. It's that good.

http://alicehui.com/bike/broken/cyfac1.jpg

http://alicehui.com/bike/broken/cyfac2.jpg

http://alicehui.com/bike/broken/cyfac3.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Cyfac-Absolu-Design-02.jpg

weisan
12-20-2017, 08:35 PM
3) Waterford
So I got this frame for less than a hundred buck. Some would say I paid too much and you are probably correct. You want to read more about the backstory, here it is:
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=159252

Basically, the seller told me that it was rammed into from the rear on a bike rack on a road trip. There were major dents on the top tube and the seat tube.
http://alicehui.com/bike/broken/IMG_20141123_115527836_1_37.jpg
http://alicehui.com/bike/broken/IMG_20141123_115531445_1_29.jpg
Here's the first ride I took after I built it up.
https://forums.thepaceline.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1697890862&stc=1&d=1416860038

Okay okay...I know, some of you is about to get a heart attack or ready to throw up. If this is too much for you, please kindly exit to the left... :D

Last but not least.

The latest find. (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=213738)

http://alicehui.com/bike/Weigle/618A7838-B4F8-4669-8DA5-82C977AC0EAC.jpeg

http://alicehui.com/bike/Weigle/585EF262-8AC5-489C-BE7F-C0A23B16D555.jpeg

The horror!
http://alicehui.com/bike/Weigle/weigle6.jpg

I built it up as my coffee bike performing only light duties, hopefully that would make you feel better.

http://alicehui.com/bike/Weigle/weigle7.jpg


ok ok...enough from me....where's yours? Don't tell me I am only the crazies around here....I don't believe it!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/21/5a/d8/215ad8a534f7e02fe6905c06d1ef79ec.jpg

classtimesailer
12-20-2017, 08:46 PM
I got my wife and me matching 1987 Centurion Ironman Experts. Hers had wider bars and I switched em. Problem was, the wide bars were bent inwards on one side about 2cm. You don't know how much pressure it takes to bend those bars back into reasonable shape. More than an hour with a vise and various levers listening and protecting my eyes from the never to come snap. 800 or so miles later...NO FEAR.

bigbill
12-20-2017, 08:57 PM
I did a handful of races in 1993 on a Raleigh with a broken lug at the seat post clamp. It was going to be replaced under warranty but not for 3-4 weeks. The seatpost wouldn't clamp and was kind of afraid to tighten it up. I ended up setting the saddle height then drilling two holes, the first at the point of the crack to propagate further growth (I'm an engineer), and the second one through the seat lug and post where I installed a bolt with some washers to hold everything together. It worked.

tuxbailey
12-20-2017, 10:26 PM
I think I know who I can sell my snapped Merlin to, when it is all said and done.

Kontact
12-20-2017, 10:39 PM
So, the plan is to ride them until another series of crashes? No judgement.


That Paul Taylor should be warrantied. That can't be a proper fillet.

GOTHBROOKS
12-20-2017, 10:52 PM
the weigle might be toast but you could probably roll that waterford tube out again.

FlashUNC
12-20-2017, 10:59 PM
I can't wait for the companion thread where we compare catastrophic insurance plans.

sokyroadie
12-21-2017, 05:37 AM
That Paul Taylor should be warrantied. That can't be a proper fillet.

Good luck with that - do a search - long gone as a builder, hopefully for good.

sokyroadie
12-21-2017, 05:45 AM
Where is your dented Giant Defy? Dent not bad enough to make the list?

weisan
12-21-2017, 06:14 AM
Where is your dented Giant Defy? Dent not bad enough to make the list?

skyrider pal, thank you for the reminder! I almost forgot....:p

They almost threw it away (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=210877). I love this bike!!! It rides so well. Interestingly, many mistaken it for carbon until I pointed out that it's ALUM. I like the so-called endurance geometry and the fact that my 32mm Compass tires can get on it no problem, it even comes with fender mounts incorporated into the frameset, pretty neat.

http://alicehui.com/bike/Giant/defy1.jpg



http://alicehui.com/bike/Giant/defy3.jpg

oldpotatoe
12-21-2017, 06:18 AM
I can't wait for the companion thread where we compare catastrophic insurance plans.

Or before and after dental work.

Only if he's lucky..hey, your bikes, yur butt, do whatever you want.

:)

weisan
12-21-2017, 06:40 AM
This one (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=180576) I am not 100% sure but it does look like a crack running along the headtube lug, something I only notice much later, not sure why. As you can tell it's a bit small for me running at 53 cm. I have it stripped the other day just because and hang up on the wall. I know there are pals here who have been looking for an MXL for ages. I prefer someone local who can look at up close and decide for themselves.

http://alicehui.com/bike/mxl/mxl7.jpg

http://alicehui.com/bike/mxl/complete.jpg

Nooch
12-21-2017, 07:12 AM
With my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, pal, I offer the following:

Man, just think how nice those frames could have been had they not been clamped inappropriately by the tubes!

weisan
12-21-2017, 07:34 AM
With my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, pal, I offer the following:

Man, just think how nice those frames could have been had they not been clamped inappropriately by the tubes!

Nooch pal, I can understand where you are coming from, just as I can understand why pals would think I am crazy or stupid to be riding some of these broken frames, and that's ok. That's why you are you and I am me. There are things that I can do easily with my eyes closed that some of you can never do and vice versa. We are unique and we need each other.

Despite the top tube clamping, my safety record for the last 30+ years of wrenching has been perfect. No damage ever done to top tube before. The argumentative type would retort at this point ...but but it would some day. Well, I will let you sleep on the day when you are able to say, "we told you so!" Personally, I wouldn't be holding my breath.

I understand. I disrupt your common sense and create dissonance in your system. Throw some salt into a cup of water and gulp it down real quick, it will make you feel better.

Nooch
12-21-2017, 07:55 AM
nah brother, just a joke made before someone else made it, implying that perhaps the frames were all damaged by improper clamping (I've followed em all -- i know that's not the case :) )

And for sure, your tolerance for damage is much higher than the general population of this forum, I'm sure. I'd not venture that any of those would fail immediately or catastrophically -- and if I remember correctly, didn't you use fiber wrap on the waterford?

weisan
12-21-2017, 08:13 AM
and if I remember correctly, didn't you use fiber wrap on the waterford?

whoa...you been paying attention! :p

Yup.

100% wrapped.

idiot-proof.

You can find it in Lowes or any major hardware stores.

No commission needed.

:eek:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71QUGyZ0VuL._SL1032_.jpg

http://alicehui.com/bike/broken/wrap.jpg

Spaghetti Legs
12-21-2017, 08:17 AM
Several years ago I had a gorgeous Orbea aluminum Cyclocross frame with a small crack in the lower head tube. I happened to notice it after riding and racing it a while, it might have been a consequence of a poorly executed headset installation (one of my first) or maybe was there when I got it used, although in retrospect, it had a non OEM fork, so maybe that was a red flag. Sorry no pics. It was about 1-2 mm. I watched it over about a season and a half of ridng and racing and it never got bigger. I eventually got a different frame, because a gorgeous as that bike was, it just was not a good cross bike. Sold the frame with full disclosure of the crack.

Cicli
12-21-2017, 08:17 AM
Jeebus^^^^^

That wrap.

weisan
12-21-2017, 08:23 AM
Jeebus^^^^^

That wrap.

Cicli pal, you can come over to my house and we can play with it together. :banana:

https://www.somewhatsimple.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Masking-Tape-Mummy-2.jpg

thwart
12-21-2017, 08:24 AM
I do appreciate your unwillingness to send beautiful bike frames to the scrap heap. I really do.

But... if we hear you were seriously hurt (or worse) in a bike crash, we couldn't help but wonder...

And we'd miss your presence here.

A lot.

weisan
12-21-2017, 08:26 AM
I do appreciate your unwillingness to send beautiful bike frames to the scrap heap. I really do.

But... if we hear you were seriously hurt (or worse) in a bike crash, we couldn't help but wonder...

And we'd miss your presence here.

A lot.

thwart pal, does that mean, you care enough that you would let me have your entire bike collection in exchange for getting rid of these broken bikes? You know how much I been eyeing on your inheritance. Just say the word...and I will throw them all out and drive over with a U-haul...TODAY!

Corso
12-21-2017, 08:27 AM
I’ve got a mountain bike whee-set you can have cheap.

weisan
12-21-2017, 08:35 AM
I’ve got a mountain bike whee-set you can have cheap.

You are so kind, corso pal. Unfortunately, there's no room in the inn for your wheel, maybe you can try the manger.

http://alicehui.com/bike/misc/IMG_7583.jpg

http://alicehui.com/bike/misc/IMG_7580.jpg

PaMtbRider
12-21-2017, 08:36 AM
Weisan Pal, not a judgement, but if given the choice between 1 or 2 really nice bikes and a whole collection of broken, dented, mistreated frames, I would much prefer the 1 or 2 nice bikes.

weisan
12-21-2017, 08:40 AM
Weisan Pal, not a judgement, but if given the choice between 1 or 2 really nice bikes and a whole collection of broken, dented, mistreated frames, I would much prefer the 1 or 2 nice bikes.

no judgment at all, I don't sense that coming from you, especially you my friend...I understand.

Here's the thing, PaMtb pal....despite their flaws, they are ALL nice bikes in my eyes. Just because they were born with defects, mistreated or had a mishap before does not completely negate their value or necessarily shorten their lifespan. Again, I know I am speaking out against a wall or mountain of experts here. I am not saying I am smarter than them. What I am saying is...I am willing to take the risk to take them in and adopt them in my house. Lepers are welcome here. :p

weisan
12-21-2017, 09:31 AM
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bikingshearer
12-21-2017, 12:43 PM
Weisan-pal: I am pleased that your "broken" frames give you pleasure. I doubt if any of the steel ones would fail catastrophically without giving you ample warning first. I had an RB-1 that developed a pretty impressive crack in the BB hanger, down tube and seat tube. It let me know long before anything truly awful would have happened.

For my part, I am significantly less willing to continue to use a frame I know is cracked mainly because I am a Large Person (6'3", 260lbs) and figure that my extra size and leverage decreases my margin for error to a point where I'd simply rather not chance it. For example. once I noticed the above-described crack on the RB-1, it was never ridden again.

No judgment, just another perspective.

rallizes
12-21-2017, 01:16 PM
not enough spacers on waterford

weisan
12-21-2017, 02:52 PM
3 1/2 hours of soaking in the sunshine and riding at 78 degrees have done me a lot of good, and helped clear my head. It suddenly occurred to me while I was riding that y'all were absolutely right, that it was utterly and positively insane that I would choose to ride all these broken bikes and knowingly put myself in harms way and potentially get myself seriously injured. I felt such a strong sense of remorse and shame thinking about that, it was very emotional....

and then, I got back to my car. The minute I stopped pedaling and got off the bike (the broken french carbon one, mind you), all the euphoria and endorphin subsided almost immediately, I was rudely awakened back to reality -- oh...crap! All these broken bikes....who is going to take care of them if I just throw them out in the streets. Today is the last "nice weather" day, they are forecasting snow on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, imagine these poor bikes sitting out there exposed to the cold and the wet - Oh no! That won't do. It's too inhumane. I guess I will just keep them a bit longer.... :rolleyes: :p :hello:

54ny77
12-21-2017, 04:27 PM
fiber fix on a regularly ridden frame? really? you should post that here, not on a bike forum:

http://failblog.cheezburger.com/thereifixedit

this is no celebration of brokenness, it's a pronouncement that you've gone mad, sir. mad!

you've got a perfectly good red merckx in the stable. riding a clunker of questionable integrity vs. that....why?


3 1/2 hours of soaking in the sunshine and riding at 78 degrees have done me a lot of good, and helped clear my head. It suddenly occurred to me while I was riding that y'all were absolutely right, that it was utterly and positively insane that I would choose to ride all these broken bikes and knowingly put myself in harms way and potentially get myself seriously injured. I felt such a strong sense of remorse and shame thinking about that, it was very emotional....

and then, I got back to my car. The minute I stopped pedaling and got off the bike (the broken french carbon one, mind you), all the euphoria and endorphin subsided almost immediately, I was rudely awakened back to reality -- oh...crap! All these broken bikes....who is going to take care of them if I just throw them out in the streets. Today is the last "nice weather" day, they are forecasting snow on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, imagine these poor bikes sitting out there exposed to the cold and the wet - Oh no! That won't do. It's too inhumane. I guess I will just keep them a bit longer.... :rolleyes: :p :hello:

cmbicycles
12-21-2017, 05:05 PM
fiber fix on a regularly ridden frame? really? you should post that here, not on a bike forum:

http://failblog.cheezburger.com/thereifixedit

this is no celebration of brokenness, it's a pronouncement that you've gone mad, sir. mad!

you've got a perfectly good red merckx in the stable. riding a clunker of questionable integrity vs. that....why?

Along with a couple perfectly good Merlins, a nice Sachs, a Serotta, who knows what else... its madness for sure. [emoji14] To prevent your other bikes from catching potentially fatal diseases, you should send me all the non damaged bikes in your stable so they don't catch the diseases your other bikes are afflicted with. I'll send you a roll of fiber fix and duct tape as a good faith deposit. I will also install proper Campy groups on all of them so your parts don't see any wear.