A bike is not judged by how cheap or how expensive it is.

[weisan]

Get it?

[cmbicycles]

I dunno, all of mine were judged to be cheap... well, cheap enough to be affordable for me to own anyway. :bike:

[earlfoss]

Bikes can be judged however we see fit!

[dbnm]

Is the owner/rider wearing Rapha?

:)

[54ny77]

is paceline the new "5th grade playground politics forum?"

adults navel gazing about their bikes and what others think of it/them is rather weird.

[Cicli]

is paceline the new "5th grade playground politics forum?"

adults navel gazing about their bikes and what others think of it/them is rather weird.

Agreed. Who cares?

[El Chaba]

My operating premise has always been that I don't care what anybody else rides....I do obsess about my own bikes from time to time....

[beeatnik]

Is this Passoni related content?

[Mzilliox]

I am seriously missing something around here lately... so many odd codes and passive aggressive weirdness. I mean its been oddly cold here, haven't seen the sun in a couple weeks, but it just means i need to buy a new Ti frame to satisfy the craving, thats all.

[C40_guy]

My operating premise has always been that I don't care what anybody else rides....I do obsess about my own bikes from time to time....

I've been a serious cyclist since '72, and sometimes it is about the bike. :)

I don't care what others ride, except to lust after them (the bikes!)...

That having been said, I recently became a runner and found a difference in attitude refreshing. Runners typically have multiple pairs of running shoes, duplicates and different shoes for different purposes (sound familiar?). But runners don't compete with one another, they compete against themselves...can I PR in this race (even though I'm placing 479 in a race of 900 people). And runners will bend over backwards to help one another while out on a run, during a race, whatever.

Not that there's not a lot of comraderie in the biking community...but we are focused on equipment in a way that runners mostly are not...

[paredown]

I've been a serious cyclist since '72, and sometimes it is about the bike. :)

I don't care what others ride, except to lust after them (the bikes!)...

That having been said, I recently became a runner and found a difference in attitude refreshing. Runners typically have multiple pairs of running shoes, duplicates and different shoes for different purposes (sound familiar?). But runners don't compete with one another, they compete against themselves...can I PR in this race (even though I'm placing 479 in a race of 900 people). And runners will bend over backwards to help one another while out on a run, during a race, whatever.

Not that there's not a lot of comraderie in the biking community...but we are focused on equipment in a way that runners mostly are not...
As you sugges--equipment matters for competitive cycling in a way that is fairly unique--more like car or motorcycle racing. Just talk to someone who has lost a race because of equipment failure. Some of the obsessiveness starts there. For recreational cyclists--stranded is the equivalent, I suppose.

But the willingness to slag off on other people's equipment choice or especially setups for recreational cyclists??--seems a little silly to me.

If people are getting out and riding, and it is on a Walmart bike with J-bars and four flashers, that's OK with me. It's a big tent IMO.

[Clean39T]

https://www.nahbs.com/awards/

That's a good start.

Cheap and expensive are relative terms, and I find it more interesting to judge something based on how well it delivers on the intended purpose within a certain category, and with further differentiation by breed or other minutae - similar to the judging of show-dogs.

For example, my Davidson Ti should be judged within its well-defined species classifications and characteristics:

- Classic titanium frame (ie., traditional lines, external headset, threaded bb)
- Eponymous builder (ie., Davidson, Potts, Strong)
- Second-hand purchase (ie., a rescue dog, not from a breeder)
- Sub-$2,000 budget
- All-rounder roadie (ie., gearing and build for classic road riding over mixed pavement and topology, not a purpose built climber or spring-classics bike)

Also, judging bikes is fun - just don't conflate judgement of the bike with judgement of riding a bike for fun, utility, whatever.

[ColonelJLloyd]

It's winter af around here.

[BikeNY]

I've been a serious cyclist since '72, and sometimes it is about the bike. :)

I don't care what others ride, except to lust after them (the bikes!)...

That having been said, I recently became a runner and found a difference in attitude refreshing. Runners typically have multiple pairs of running shoes, duplicates and different shoes for different purposes (sound familiar?). But runners don't compete with one another, they compete against themselves...can I PR in this race (even though I'm placing 479 in a race of 900 people). And runners will bend over backwards to help one another while out on a run, during a race, whatever.

Not that there's not a lot of comraderie in the biking community...but we are focused on equipment in a way that runners mostly are not...

I have found that attitude much more prevalent with roadies than with other cyclists. In my area at least, literally every mountain biker I see says hello or something equivalent, stops and asks if everything is OK if you are stopped, etc. Casual cyclists on the rail trail are usually friendly enough as well. It's those guys in their full kit on their race replica bikes that have an attitude. They can't be bothered to even acknowledge anybody else on inferior equipment.

I make it a point to keep talking to them as long as possible:)

[Clean39T]

But runners don't compete with one another, they compete against themselves...can I PR in this race (even though I'm placing 479 in a race of 900 people). And runners will bend over backwards to help one another while out on a run, during a race, whatever.


I've found most trail-runners, especially ultra-runners, and marathoners to be that way - but 5K/10K competitive runners will elbow you in the face at the sharp end of the race - and even on the trails some nasty isht goes down in the really competitive areas. Thankfully, I was never there while racing myself - and spent much more time in the "hey, let's all do our best and try to finish strong" class. That attitude is what is drawing me to gravel events, fondos, and ultra-endurance cycling, and away from crits and road races. There's no challenge in completing a 35mi road race beyond whether you beat the people around you. But riding an epic gravel course in a beautiful area, or completing a 200K ride (or 6-hour or 500K) is completely different purpose and experience. TTs and Hillclimbs might split the difference - short and competitive, but also a sense of camaraderie.

[Clean39T]

It's winter af around here.

Tour Down Under is a short month away...

[Mzilliox]

It's winter af around here.

Could not have put it any better, hahahahhahaha:bike:

[Kontact]

Could this thread be moved to the Platitudes subforum?

[oldpotatoe]

Could this thread be moved to the Platitudes subforum?

And he forgot, “IMHO”....:)

[brockd15]

Did something prompt this thread?

Or is it more of a "Deep thoughts by Jack Handy" thing?

[FlashUNC]

No, but there is generally a level where stuff just becomes garbage. That $100 Wal Mart special is cheap for a reason.

[54ny77]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/fuF6Xvgh.ItH__f9adHvnw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzQ0O2g9NTA1/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/a0164f2b9c7f3e138d6b05a94689f3f5


:p

[BLD 25]

Is the bike judging why other cyclists don't wave on the road? I am not sure why, but it burns me up something serious when I am riding along and see another guy riding on the other side of the road and they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave. Why? are they too cool? Even if they are, I am not slow, nor am I riding a walmart bike. I have been tempted(and I still think I will do at some point) to turn around, catch up to them and ask them why they snubbed. I am a cyclist, but I don't understand why cyclists have to think they are so cool and better than others.

[rallizes]

Is the bike judging why other cyclists don't wave on the road? I am not sure why, but it burns me up something serious when I am riding along and see another guy riding on the other side of the road and they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave. Why? are they too cool? Even if they are, I am not slow, nor am I riding a walmart bike. I have been tempted(and I still think I will do at some point) to turn around, catch up to them and ask them why they snubbed. I am a cyclist, but I don't understand why cyclists have to think they are so cool and better than others.

Can’t tell if serious

[beeatnik]

Is the bike judging why other cyclists don't wave on the road? I am not sure why, but it burns me up something serious when I am riding along and see another guy riding on the other side of the road and they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave. Why? are they too cool? Even if they are, I am not slow, nor am I riding a walmart bike. I have been tempted(and I still think I will do at some point) to turn around, catch up to them and ask them why they snubbed. I am a cyclist, but I don't understand why cyclists have to think they are so cool and better than others.

I think those cats are riding at 95% of their max HR while having forgotten their inhalers at home. That or they're trying to avoid the potholes on the Mean Streets.

[Seramount]

...it burns me up something serious when...they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave.

I went for a long ride the day my mom died to help deal with the grief.

sorry if I was distracted and didn't return your gesture.

[charliedid]

Is the bike judging why other cyclists don't wave on the road? I am not sure why, but it burns me up something serious when I am riding along and see another guy riding on the other side of the road and they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave. Why? are they too cool? Even if they are, I am not slow, nor am I riding a walmart bike. I have been tempted(and I still think I will do at some point) to turn around, catch up to them and ask them why they snubbed. I am a cyclist, but I don't understand why cyclists have to think they are so cool and better than others.

Ever talk to a therapist?

[Black Dog]

I went for a long ride the day my mom died to help deal with the grief.

sorry if I was distracted and didn't return your gesture.

Sure, there are good reasons why folks don't wave. Yours would be one of those. However, I think that the point being made here is that riders are generally more snobbish full of themselves etc. in comparison to other comparable sports. I agree wholeheartedly. Being a roadie for over 30 years now I can attest to this. Bikes become status symbols and ability becomes a status symbol. More snobbery on our branch of the tree than the others. Many reasons as to why.

[OtayBW]

Sure, there are good reasons why folks don't wave. Yours would be one of those. However, I think that the point being made here is that riders are generally more snobbish full of themselves etc. in comparison to other comparable sports. I agree wholeheartedly. Being a roadie for over 30 years now I can attest to this. Bikes become status symbols and ability becomes a status symbol. More snobbery on our branch of the tree than the others. Many reasons as to why.
It's so easy to lift a finger (not that one...) as you pass....

[Frankwurst]

A bike is not judged by how cheap or how expensive it is.

Is this something that was in Zen and The Art Of Bicycle Maintenance? :beer:

[54ny77]

don't be mad at chris froome, he rarely looks up.


Is the bike judging why other cyclists don't wave on the road? I am not sure why, but it burns me up something serious when I am riding along and see another guy riding on the other side of the road and they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave. Why? are they too cool? Even if they are, I am not slow, nor am I riding a walmart bike. I have been tempted(and I still think I will do at some point) to turn around, catch up to them and ask them why they snubbed. I am a cyclist, but I don't understand why cyclists have to think they are so cool and better than others.

[Kontact]

A bike is judged by whether it is matte black with red and white accents, or not.

[ripvanrando]

It ain't the arrow

[charliedid]

A bike is judged by whether it is matte black with red and white accents, or not.

Now that is funny

[weisan]

Whoa! Sorry pals...I guess. For going AWOL for most of the day. Today is my wife's day off, so I took the day off too to spend time with her. We went running and the gym in the morning. And then we went to our favorite Asian treats and then then we bought a whole truckload of persimmon at the oriental market. She absolutely loves persimmons. And once I have done that, she signed off on me adding a couple more bikes. And then we took a nap. And then I went for a bike ride. And then our kids came home from school, we played with them and fed them the yummy food we bought earlier. And then here I am, logging back on to my favorite forum...er....what did I miss?

[Frankwurst]

You have missed the secret that will never be told and the answer that has no meaning. Above and beyond that not much.:beer:

[BobO]

I've been a serious cyclist since '72, and sometimes it is about the bike. :)

I don't care what others ride, except to lust after them (the bikes!)...

That having been said, I recently became a runner and found a difference in attitude refreshing. Runners typically have multiple pairs of running shoes, duplicates and different shoes for different purposes (sound familiar?). But runners don't compete with one another, they compete against themselves...can I PR in this race (even though I'm placing 479 in a race of 900 people). And runners will bend over backwards to help one another while out on a run, during a race, whatever.

Not that there's not a lot of comraderie in the biking community...but we are focused on equipment in a way that runners mostly are not...

My experience has been exactly the opposite. The cycling community has been welcoming. Track runners were found to be cold and vicious.

[cadence90]

.... ..

[C40_guy]

My experience has been exactly the opposite. The cycling community has been welcoming. Track runners were found to be cold and vicious.

I didn't say that the cycling community isn't welcoming. We just moved to Cape Cod and the two primary cycling clubs -- Cape Cod Cycling Club and NEMBA-Cape Cod have been very welcoming. I expect that those two organizations will be a foundation of my social life for many years.

And I understand that track runners are a special breed... Personally, I prefer running on trails.

[charliedid]

Whoa! Sorry pals...I guess. For going AWOL for most of the day. Today is my wife's day off, so I took the day off too to spend time with her. We went running and the gym in the morning. And then we went to our favorite Asian treats and then then we bought a whole truckload of persimmon at the oriental market. She absolutely loves persimmons. And once I have done that, she signed off on me adding a couple more bikes. And then we took a nap. And then I went for a bike ride. And then our kids came home from school, we played with them and fed them the yummy food we bought earlier. And then here I am, logging back on to my favorite forum...er....what did I miss?

Nice

You could use a couple new bikes...

Here's one for you, just your style.

:D

[AngryScientist]

i have no idea what this thread is about or what on earth is going on with the forum lately. there seems to be quite a bit of pot stirring and snarky comments recently, and i dont like it.

c'mon folks, we're better than that.

[weisan]

Sorry angry pal, it's my bad.

Please close this thread if you think it's best.

What I was thinking when I started this thread was...honestly!

http://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/albert-einstein-riding-a-bike.jpg

[dbnm]

In my neck of the woods, the guys on TT bikes are "in the zone" and waving would disrupt their aerodynamics.

Or better yet, the guys who wear some local team jersey and cannot wave.

F off dude.



Is the bike judging why other cyclists don't wave on the road? I am not sure why, but it burns me up something serious when I am riding along and see another guy riding on the other side of the road and they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave. Why? are they too cool? Even if they are, I am not slow, nor am I riding a walmart bike. I have been tempted(and I still think I will do at some point) to turn around, catch up to them and ask them why they snubbed. I am a cyclist, but I don't understand why cyclists have to think they are so cool and better than others.

[akelman]

Is the bike judging why other cyclists don't wave on the road? I am not sure why, but it burns me up something serious when I am riding along and see another guy riding on the other side of the road and they don't acknowledge me in the slightest after I give them a nice wave. Why? are they too cool? Even if they are, I am not slow, nor am I riding a walmart bike. I have been tempted(and I still think I will do at some point) to turn around, catch up to them and ask them why they snubbed. I am a cyclist, but I don't understand why cyclists have to think they are so cool and better than others.

The older I get, the more I realize that perceived slights often have nothing to do with me. Someone cuts me off in traffic? S/he might not have seen me at all. Or perhaps s/he was dealing with an emergency. A colleague walks by without saying hello? Maybe s/he's preoccupied with an important work matter or thinking about a family problem. And so on.

[beeatnik]

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4576/39031012642_a597176d5d_h.jpg

[rousseau]

In my neck of the woods, the guys on TT bikes are "in the zone" and waving would disrupt their aerodynamics.

Or better yet, the guys who wear some local team jersey and cannot wave.

F off dude.
Twats. This past summer I turned a corner out in the countryside, saw a guy about a full klick away going in my direction, so I slowed down to let him catch up to me. Which in my experience is what lone roadies in the wild normally do, at least in these sheltered precincts.

But he'd obviously sped up to his max, seeing that I wasn't going so fast, and buzzed me with inches to spare. If that wasn't bizarre enough, for the next ten minutes he continually turned his head around to check on how far he'd left me in the dust, each time obviously feeling consternation that he hadn't put as much distance between us as he would have liked to. Or maybe he was wondering if I was actually going to catch up to him?

Either way, I just rode my ride, and had no desire to talk to the weirdo considering the dick move he'd just pulled.

Roadies are the worst. Except for me and my friends.

[charliedid]

Twats. This past summer I turned a corner out in the countryside, saw a guy about a full klick away going in my direction, so I slowed down to let him catch up to me. Which in my experience is what lone roadies in the wild normally do, at least in these sheltered precincts.

But he'd obviously sped up to his max, seeing that I wasn't going so fast, and buzzed me with inches to spare. If that wasn't bizarre enough, for the next ten minutes he continually turned his head around to check on how far he'd left me in the dust, each time obviously feeling consternation that he hadn't put as much distance between us as he would have liked to. Or maybe he was wondering if I was actually going to catch up to him?

Either way, I just rode my ride, and had no desire to talk to the weirdo considering the dick move he'd just pulled.

Roadies are the worst. Except for me and my friends.

Why so judgemental? Nobody owes you anything while passing on a ride. Some people like to ride solo. No need to force it.

Wow.

[rousseau]

Why so judgemental? Nobody owes you anything while passing on a ride. Some people like to ride solo. No need to force it.

Wow.
He almost hit me as he passed me. Came literally within an inch or two. On an empty country road with no one around.

When you fail at common courtesy because you're so anxious to leave a deep impression on someone about how awesome you are, you're a twat.

[charliedid]

He almost hit me as he passed me. Came literally within an inch or two. On an empty country road with no one around.

When you fail at common courtesy because you're so anxious to leave a deep impression on someone about how awesome you are, you're a twat.

Well sure...if the guy did something borderline aggressive or dangerous that's BS. Maybe he just eyed you up and figured you were hanging back so you guys could race bikes. Who knows.

That said, this notion that we are all part of some big happy family/fraternity and everytime I see someone else out riding in their Captain America outfit I need to explicitly acknowledge them or I am some elitist whatever is just plain silly.

I'm a nice guy, I wave to people. I say hi to people on the street. But if I look up and some other rider male or female obviously huffing it, maybe doing a brick or repeats I don't feel the need to sit up and wave howdy doody to them. Why would I? The same goes for me not waving back sometimes. Usually it's be cause I am freaking sucking wind... with sweat in my eyes and I just don't care who is out riding their bike down the same street that day as me.

It's not personal.

I'm out.

:)

[Drmojo]

Twats. This past summer I turned a corner out in the countryside, saw a guy about a full klick away going in my direction, so I slowed down to let him catch up to me. Which in my experience is what lone roadies in the wild normally do, at least in these sheltered precincts.

But he'd obviously sped up to his max, seeing that I wasn't going so fast, and buzzed me with inches to spare. If that wasn't bizarre enough, for the next ten minutes he continually turned his head around to check on how far he'd left me in the dust, each time obviously feeling consternation that he hadn't put as much distance between us as he would have liked to. Or maybe he was wondering if I was actually going to catch up to him?

Either way, I just rode my ride, and had no desire to talk to the weirdo considering the dick move he'd just pulled.

Roadies are the worst. Except for me and my friends.

I agree no one is forced to wave back-they will waste precious nano-watts
or ergs, or be less aero.
Many of these fools want to “race” all the time. A few months back I was descending on steep switchbacks when I was passed by 3 inches on a turn by a bloke on a plastic BMC with the store mandated wheel reflectors on his bike. I easily caught him to say hello and ask him to call out if he was passing. He studiously ignored me. Was I mad? No, ashamed of the far too common ‘tude
I have noticed in 40 years of riding.

[Tony]

Well sure...if the guy did something borderline aggressive or dangerous that's BS. Maybe he just eyed you up and figured you were hanging back so you guys could race bikes. Who knows.

That said, this notion that we are all part of some big happy family/fraternity and everytime I see someone else out riding in their Captain America outfit I need to explicitly acknowledge them or I am some elitist whatever is just plain silly.

I'm a nice guy, I wave to people. I say hi to people on the street. But if I look up and some other rider male or female obviously huffing it, maybe doing a brick or repeats I don't feel the need to sit up and wave howdy doody to them. Why would I? The same goes for me not waving back sometimes. Usually it's be cause I am freaking sucking wind... with sweat in my eyes and I just don't care who is out riding their bike down the same street that day as me.

It's not personal.

I'm out.

:)

I agree with this, not sure way folks get so sucked up when others are just doing their own thing. Let it go, its not about you.

[bob heinatz]

Great thread. I find most riders very friendly. Ones who aren’t who cares. Life is to short to worry about every a-hole. Am I a bike snob? My current stable says yes but I enjoy seeing anyone out enjoying a bike ride no matter what type of bike.

[chiasticon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzRyEI00PXc

[Fishbike]

Some expensive bikes are really nice. Some inexpensive bikes are really nice. All bikes are nice.

[Bob Ross]

And once I have done that, she signed off on me adding a couple more bikes.

Dang! Shoulda started a thread about that!

So... whatcha getting?



In my neck of the woods, the guys on TT bikes are "in the zone" and waving would disrupt their aerodynamics.

In my neck of the woods, the guys on TT bikes couldn't ride a straight line if their lives depended on it, and waving would cause them to crash.

[tuxbailey]

Whoa! Sorry pals...I guess. For going AWOL for most of the day. Today is my wife's day off, so I took the day off too to spend time with her. We went running and the gym in the morning. And then we went to our favorite Asian treats and then then we bought a whole truckload of persimmon at the oriental market. She absolutely loves persimmons. And once I have done that, she signed off on me adding a couple more bikes. And then we took a nap. And then I went for a bike ride. And then our kids came home from school, we played with them and fed them the yummy food we bought earlier. And then here I am, logging back on to my favorite forum...er....what did I miss?

Persimmons?! That is all it takes for couple more bikes? Such lucky man.

PS. It is very cold in the Mid-Atlantic today. And our local ski hill just opened for the season. I will be able to try my new skis soon. In other words, winter is here.

[weisan]

Persimmons?! That is all it takes for couple more bikes? Such lucky man.

Every one of us has a @weakness...just have to find it and you got the universe on the palm of your hand.

[cmbicycles]

Roadies are the worst. Except for me... .

This sounds like all drivers who think they are better than average, myself included. We are our own worst ambassadors some days and shining beacons of hope the next. I'll give a pass to most people and hope I can be on the positive side of the bell curve as many days as possible.

[BikeNY]

I don't think anyone is expecting every cyclist to sit up and wave, say hello and start a conversation. Maybe I expect too much, but for some reason I expect some form of courtesy from fellow cyclists. If you can't or don't want to wave, fine, I get it, you're in the zone, setting a Strava PR on your TT bike in your full kit and would crash if you lifted a finger off the bars. How about a nob? Maybe even just making eye contact to acknowledge a fellow cyclist? But no, 90% of the road cyclists around here completely ignore other riders. Or maybe it's just me they are ignoring? Casual cyclist and mountain bikers are the opposite, with 90% giving some kind of greeting.

And runners are the exact same. Road runners snubbing and trail runners being friendly.

My conclusion is there is something about the pavement that makes people anti-social. That's why my road rides are taking place more and more on dirt/gravel roads.

[Tony]

I don't think anyone is expecting every cyclist to sit up and wave, say hello and start a conversation. Maybe I expect too much, but for some reason I expect some form of courtesy from fellow cyclists. If you can't or don't want to wave, fine, I get it, you're in the zone, setting a Strava PR on your TT bike in your full kit and would crash if you lifted a finger off the bars. How about a nob? Maybe even just making eye contact to acknowledge a fellow cyclist? But no, 90% of the road cyclists around here completely ignore other riders. Or maybe it's just me they are ignoring? Casual cyclist and mountain bikers are the opposite, with 90% giving some kind of greeting.

And runners are the exact same. Road runners snubbing and trail runners being friendly.

My conclusion is there is something about the pavement that makes people anti-social. That's why my road rides are taking place more and more on dirt/gravel roads.

Your choosing to ride more on dirt and gravel because cyclists don't wave back at you?

[FlashUNC]

We're riding bikes, not Knights of the Round Table passing each other demanding signs of chivalry.

[Idris Icabod]

My conclusion is there is something about the pavement that makes people anti-social. That's why my road rides are taking place more and more on dirt/gravel roads.

It's geographical then. You can be riding in the AZ desert and not have seen anyone for an hour and someone invariably will be coming the other way on the single track without any acknowledgement or without ceding an inch of the trail. I often wondered if it is time or location, as my memory of when I lived in CO (13 years ago) was that when you met someone on the trail, you could expect to be stopped for 15 minutes whilst you became acquainted.

[oldpotatoe]

I don't think anyone is expecting every cyclist to sit up and wave, say hello and start a conversation. Maybe I expect too much, but for some reason I expect some form of courtesy from fellow cyclists. If you can't or don't want to wave, fine, I get it, you're in the zone, setting a Strava PR on your TT bike in your full kit and would crash if you lifted a finger off the bars. How about a nob? Maybe even just making eye contact to acknowledge a fellow cyclist? But no, 90% of the road cyclists around here completely ignore other riders. Or maybe it's just me they are ignoring? Casual cyclist and mountain bikers are the opposite, with 90% giving some kind of greeting.

And runners are the exact same. Road runners snubbing and trail runners being friendly.

My conclusion is there is something about the pavement that makes people anti-social. That's why my road rides are taking place more and more on dirt/gravel roads.

Do you wave at people that drive the same kind of car as you?

When I got my Beetle in 2000, new Beetle owners did wave to each other..always thought that was kinda weird, like in some sort of 'club' or 'special' in some way. I donno, I normally ride alone, don't wave, I guess if somebody does....

What irks me A LOT is when people pass w/o saying anything. NO, I don't want to be their life long friend but if I gotta swerve to miss a prairie dog, I'd like to know the guy is there so I don't take us both down...

It just doesn't matter to me..not all evangelical about it, even about bikes, a tool, not a trophy', as San Walling of Soulcraft lies to say.

Bikes are keen, amazing design but I'm not surgically joined to one..if I couldn't ride, I do somethin' else.

IMHO, of course, 'pal'. :)

We're riding bikes, not Knights of the Round Table passing each other demanding signs of chivalry.

Just saw this..YUP.....

[gemship]

Do you wave at people that drive the same kind of car as you?

When I got my Beetle in 2000, new Beetle owners did wave to each other..always thought that was kinda weird, like in some sort of 'club' or 'special' in some way. I donno, I normally ride alone, don't wave, I guess if somebody does....

What irks me A LOT is when people pass w/o saying anything. NO, I don't want to be their life long friend but if I gotta swerve to miss a prairie dog, I'd like to know the guy is there so I don't take us both down...

It just doesn't matter to me..not all evangelical about it, even about bikes, a tool, not a trophy', as San Walling of Soulcraft lies to say.

Bikes are keen, amazing design but I'm not surgically joined to one..if I couldn't ride, I do somethin' else.

IMHO, of course, 'pal'. :)



Just saw this..YUP.....

Hey didn't they have flowers on the dash of those VW's? What a cult, lol.

[gemship]

We're riding bikes, not Knights of the Round Table passing each other demanding signs of chivalry.

You guys are all making me laugh. No kidding, I love it:p Here in Ma. when it's a nice day after some crappy weather I get the wave and give it back or just give it after awhile riding motorcycles. I don't know why people do it except to say they are just happy to be on their bikes on a nice day I guess.

Oh and I think the purpose of a bike forum is to be a bit of a bike snob, lol. fwiw I love cheap bikes though.

for the sake of safety I like both hands on the handlebars but since I don't wanna rub off as a jerk I wave too.

[RobJ]

Do you wave at people that drive the same kind of car as you?

Actually, yes. It's referred to as the Jeep wave :eek: We can argue the merits of that one, just as motorcyclists or more specifically Harley riders acknowledge each other on the road.

I feel that someone else is out enjoying a ride, putting in the miles, shares similar interests as myself then why not acknowledge them? Especially when passing or coming up behind them on a ride. For safety, yes, but also to be courteous. I'm out with my dog, I don't just put my head down and walk by another dog owner. Some of this just comes back to being sociable and friendly. Doesn't take much energy, but yes if it's not a safe situation, I'm not going to wave etc. But if I come across someone stopped, regardless if they are on a Walmart special or the latest carbon high-tech creation I always ask if they need help etc.

I could not agree more that roadies tend to be extremely snobby vs. the triathletes/runners/mountain bikers/rando-guys. Yes it's one-upmanship. The bike is sign of status. I don't worry about what they are riding. If I blow by them it doesn't matter. But I would be more interested in talking to them about the bits and parts, you know, bike stuff.

Someone made the point a few pages back that cycling your are competing against others unlike running etc. where people are concerned with their PR. I think cycling would have wider adoption (racing at least) if there was a circuit not based on Cat but on age group like these other events. The logic of having a 50-something Cat 5 racing against a 20-something Cat 5 doesn't seem right. Anyway that's a soapbox for another thread.

[ducati2]

I first started riding Ducati’s back in 1994. Hardly ever saw one on the road. Now they are everywhere. Ducati guys are wavers. One ride in the hills requires about 50 return waves!

[rousseau]

It's geographical then. You can be riding in the AZ desert and not have seen anyone for an hour and someone invariably will be coming the other way on the single track without any acknowledgement or without ceding an inch of the trail. I often wondered if it is time or location, as my memory of when I lived in CO (13 years ago) was that when you met someone on the trail, you could expect to be stopped for 15 minutes whilst you became acquainted.
This. I wouldn't be waving at people if I was riding along the lakeshore in Chicago or Toronto either. But I live in a small city of 30,000 people surrounded by corn fields and a few villages. In my anecdote there was absolutely no one around, and I hadn't seen a car in several minutes.

That this master-of-the-universe decided to buzz by me with inches to spare, in the middle of nowhere, without a quick wave or hello as is customary around here, was totally bizarre.

[fiamme red]

A bike is not judged by how cheap or how expensive it is."Is not" or "should not be"?

[charliedid]

This. I wouldn't be waving at people if I was riding along the lakeshore in Chicago or Toronto either. But I live in a small city of 30,000 people surrounded by corn fields and a few villages. In my anecdote there was absolutely no one around, and I hadn't seen a car in several minutes.

That this master-of-the-universe decided to buzz by me with inches to spare, in the middle of nowhere, without a quick wave or hello as is customary around here, was totally bizarre.

True

Context and environment are almost everything. I certainly can't wave at everyone on the lakefront path. Middle of Wisconsin or on a rural tour. Certainly.

People love to nod at folks they believe are in the same tribe when riding the lakefront.

Bikes

[fiamme red]

Context and environment are almost everything. I certainly can't wave at everyone on the lakefront path. Middle of Wisconsin or on a rural tour. Certainly.I was only once offended by another cyclist not acknowledging my existence. It was on a rural road in upstate NY where you see a car every 30 minutes or so, and a bicycle never. I was taking it easy on a gentle climb, and I was startled to see a cyclist pass me from behind. I yelled out "Hi!" but he didn't turn around.

[BLD 25]

Wow, I had forgotten about my post, and it looks like I got lit up in the meantime! :bike: :)

Can’t tell if serious

I think those cats are riding at 95% of their max HR while having forgotten their inhalers at home. That or they're trying to avoid the potholes on the Mean Streets.

I went for a long ride the day my mom died to help deal with the grief.

sorry if I was distracted and didn't return your gesture.

Ever talk to a therapist?
Nice, thanks for the advice
Sure, there are good reasons why folks don't wave. Yours would be one of those. However, I think that the point being made here is that riders are generally more snobbish full of themselves etc. in comparison to other comparable sports. I agree wholeheartedly. Being a roadie for over 30 years now I can attest to this. Bikes become status symbols and ability becomes a status symbol. More snobbery on our branch of the tree than the others. Many reasons as to why.
This was my point. Of course there are times when we can't waive.
i have no idea what this thread is about or what on earth is going on with the forum lately. there seems to be quite a bit of pot stirring and snarky comments recently, and i dont like it.

c'mon folks, we're better than that.
Yep, people seem pretty snarky
Actually, yes. It's referred to as the Jeep wave :eek: We can argue the merits of that one, just as motorcyclists or more specifically Harley riders acknowledge each other on the road.

I feel that someone else is out enjoying a ride, putting in the miles, shares similar interests as myself then why not acknowledge them? Especially when passing or coming up behind them on a ride. For safety, yes, but also to be courteous. I'm out with my dog, I don't just put my head down and walk by another dog owner. Some of this just comes back to being sociable and friendly. Doesn't take much energy, but yes if it's not a safe situation, I'm not going to wave etc. But if I come across someone stopped, regardless if they are on a Walmart special or the latest carbon high-tech creation I always ask if they need help etc.

I could not agree more that roadies tend to be extremely snobby vs. the triathletes/runners/mountain bikers/rando-guys. Yes it's one-upmanship. The bike is sign of status. I don't worry about what they are riding. If I blow by them it doesn't matter. But I would be more interested in talking to them about the bits and parts, you know, bike stuff.

Someone made the point a few pages back that cycling your are competing against others unlike running etc. where people are concerned with their PR. I think cycling would have wider adoption (racing at least) if there was a circuit not based on Cat but on age group like these other events. The logic of having a 50-something Cat 5 racing against a 20-something Cat 5 doesn't seem right. Anyway that's a soapbox for another thread.

Yep, no hurt in a wave.

True

Context and environment are almost everything. I certainly can't wave at everyone on the lakefront path. Middle of Wisconsin or on a rural tour. Certainly.

People love to nod at folks they believe are in the same tribe when riding the lakefront.

Bikes


Of course, that makes sense.

So, my point was that it takes effort to ignore as well. Roadies have the reputation of breaking laws, being snobs, etc, so I try my best to be friendly to bikes and other cars to try to help improve the image of cycling, and to also be nice and friendly. Yes, when I am digging in and heading for a PR or blowing off steam from a bad day, I may not feel like smiling and sitting up to wave, but a flick of my hand from the hoods or a nod is still pretty easy.

Yes, sometimes I also wave to someone else who has the same car as me. Why not? When is being friendly a crime? :hello:

[Kontact]

Being polite is something you do for other people, not something you demand be done for you.

[OtayBW]

I was only once offended by another cyclist not acknowledging my existence. It was on a rural road in upstate NY where you see a car every 30 minutes or so, and a bicycle never. I was taking it easy on a gentle climb, and I was startled to see a cyclist pass me from behind. I yelled out "Hi!" but he didn't turn around.
I think that is exactly the point. As has been said above, you're not going to expect to (or want to) make contact with someone everywhere you go, but in a rural area - which is mostly where I ride - it is just flat out weird if you pass someone on a narrow road, make a friendly gesture, and get NOTHING in return. Sure, reciprocation is not 'mandatory', but it is also not unreasonable to expect some kind of simple common courtesy when the situation merits. That said, in my experience, the vast majority of people are great. It's often the one with the $10-15K bike, and no gas in the tank, who can't be bothered with such niceties....

[Mzilliox]

Being polite is something you do for other people, not something you demand be done for you.

well said

[RobJ]

Being polite is something you do for other people, not something you demand be done for you.

Exactly! Concise and well said...

[BLD 25]

I think that is exactly the point. As has been said above, you're not going to expect to (or want to) make contact with someone everywhere you go, but in a rural area - which is mostly where I ride - it is just flat out weird if you pass someone on a narrow road, make a friendly gesture, and get NOTHING in return. Sure, reciprocation is not 'mandatory', but it is also not unreasonable to expect some kind of simple common courtesy when the situation merits. That said, in my experience, the vast majority of people are great. It's often the one with the $10-15K bike, and no gas in the tank, who can't be bothered with such niceties....

Yep, this is what I mean. I understand if you are on a bike path passing 100 people that you may not wave to everyone! But when you may see one or two bikes on an entire ride, it is a little different.

Being polite is something you do for other people, not something you demand be done for you.

good point! It is just strange when people are rude for no reason.

[FlashUNC]

When you're driving a car, do you wave at every car that goes by?

When you're out for a walk or run, do you wave at every other pedestrian?

When you're on a boat, do you wave at other boats?

When you're headed down the mountain in a funicular, do you wave at the people going up?

When you're on bungee cord, do you wave at the guy pushing you off the ledge as you plummet into the abyss?

[beeatnik]

Not wanting to waive is so weird.

Maybe it's the joy of riding that makes some of us waving fools. Gotta be pathology.

[Kontact]

Not wanting to waive is so weird.


Only if the other person knows they are part of some sort of waving community.

Waiving isn't in the manual.

[BikeNY]

I'm waiving everyone's requirement to wave if the cyclist density is greater than 5 riders per hour.

[azrider]

Winter is most definitely here. :rolleyes:

[OtayBW]

Only if the other person knows they are part of some sort of waving community.

Waiving isn't in the manual.Neither is handshaking. Some things don't have to be taught....or, maybe they do...

[Kontact]

Neither is handshaking. Some things don't have to be taught....or, maybe they do...

I think the basic problem is that someone not "clued in" to the waiving bike guy thing has no reason to assume that everyone that waives at you isn't just someone who mistakenly thinks your his buddy from work. "Why are you waiving at me?"


We are long past the days of doffing our hats and 'top of the morning' to every passerby. If you want to waive, do it. Just don't get all offended if the person you're waiving at doesn't get the connection.

[Bob Ross]

When you're on a boat, do you wave at other boats?

Yes.

Always have, ever since I was a wee lad in the mid-1960s and my parents owned a power boat for waterskiing around Pittsburgh. Just a few years ago I visited my cousin, who has a ski boat on the Chesapeake Bay, and sure enough they waved at other boats, so I know it's not just my nuclear family. And just this past September I was on a yacht out of San Diego for a business deal and all the boat people were waving at each other, so I know it's not just an East Coast fetish. So yeah, boat waving is definitely a thing.


When you're headed down the mountain in a funicular, do you wave at the people going up?

Invariably they will wave at me first. But yes, that really seems to be a thing too.

[cmbicycles]

Not wanting to waive is so weird.

Your right to wave has been waived.

[djdj]

When you're on a boat, do you wave at other boats?



As a matter of fact, I do!

[rallizes]

the classy move when entering an elevator is to shake hands with everyone

[Kontact]

the classy move when entering an elevator is to shake hands with everyone

I also won't turn my back on people, and stand at the elevator door, facing them.

[rousseau]

the classy move when entering an elevator is to shake hands with everyone
I know this guy who farts on elevators. That's wrong on so many levels.

[rallizes]

I also won't turn my back on people, and stand at the elevator door, facing them.

this is the move

[charliedid]

Oh hey...

[pasadena]

It's winter af around here.

LOL
truth

[beeatnik]

the classy move when entering an elevator is to shake hands with everyone

Brooklyn is so weird.

[buddybikes]

Back "in the day" 70's and early 80s when we weren't all that common acknowledgement was nice and friendly. My opinion, if you see someone and they see you, raise your pinky or something, what harm is it? Who knows it could be your doctor, lawyer, ex wife, future wife, or first date

[cadence90]

Do you wave at people that drive the same kind of car as you?

When I got my Beetle in 2000, new Beetle owners did wave to each other..always thought that was kinda weird, like in some sort of 'club' or 'special' in some way.
Used to, when I was a charter member (means college student on $0 budget) of the "Old Volvo 122S Club", twice. Awesome cars, and those drivers were waving fiends, even opposite lane on freeways.

I donno, I normally ride alone, don't wave...
Yeah, sure, until now, but that's only because you don't have these, yet:

CAMPAGNOLO Wheel CYCLING GLOVES, XXL, Green White Black W NineteenTirtyTree Logo (https://www.ebay.com/itm/CAMPAGNOLO-Wheel-CYCLING-GLOVES-XXL-Green-White-Black-W-1933-Logo/112659030742?hash=item1a3b0062d6:g:hrIAAOSwh1haGzt J)

With these you (IMHO):
1) Solve your "Winter riding in the Republic colds my fingers." woes.
2) Waive your natural tendency to not wave at people.
Tree) Furter show teh world your love of all tings Sean Kelly.
4) Look incredibly stylish and hip on St. Patric...I mean San Patrizio Day.
5) Match your cycling apparel to your forearm tat.
6) Out-Michael Jackson in the "Michael Jackson Lone Glove Game".
7) And, well...7) is so obvious...don't even need to say it.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hrIAAOSwh1haGztJ/s-l1600.jpg
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[Kontact]

I only wave to people also using Sachs index shifters.

[cadence90]

It's winter af around here.Winter is most definitely here. :rolleyes:
More time to also ponder how best to judge bikes that are both cheap and expensive.
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[oldpotatoe]

Used to, when I was a charter member (means college student on $0 budget) of the "Old Volvo 122S Club", twice. Awesome cars, and those drivers were waving fiends, even opposite lane on freeways.


Yeah, sure, until now, but that's only because you don't have these, yet:

CAMPAGNOLO Wheel CYCLING GLOVES, XXL, Green White Black W NineteenTirtyTree Logo (https://www.ebay.com/itm/CAMPAGNOLO-Wheel-CYCLING-GLOVES-XXL-Green-White-Black-W-1933-Logo/112659030742?hash=item1a3b0062d6:g:hrIAAOSwh1haGzt J)

With these you (IMHO):
1) Solve your "Winter riding in the Republic colds my fingers." woes.
2) Waive your natural tendency to not wave at people.
Tree) Furter show teh world your love of all tings Sean Kelly.
4) Look incredibly stylish and hip on St. Patric...I mean San Patrizio Day.
5) Match your cycling apparel to your forearm tat.
6) Out-Michael Jackson in the "Michael Jackson Lone Glove Game".
7) And, well...7) is so obvious...don't even need to say it.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hrIAAOSwh1haGztJ/s-l1600.jpg
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.

WELL done sir!!!

[OtayBW]

I think the basic problem is that someone not "clued in" to the waiving bike guy thing has no reason to assume that everyone that waives at you isn't just someone who mistakenly thinks your his buddy from work. "Why are you waiving at me?"


We are long past the days of doffing our hats and 'top of the morning' to every passerby. If you want to waive, do it. Just don't get all offended if the person you're waiving at doesn't get the connection.
‘Clued in’? HAR! There is no trick to knowing how to respond with simple common courtesy to a basic good faith gesture of greeting from others – particularly those of similar interest. If you need 'a manual' to get the connection, there is obviously something wrong there; your parents teach you simple social cues and kindness. Like I said, it’s situational, but when passing a cyclist on a remote road, it’s not at all confusing for most folks to know how respond with some simple acknowledgement that is appropriate to the situation – that is, unless you think that your **** don’t stink, as they say.

[93KgBike]

Maybe he was not roadie at all, but singletrackie, who knows that you need to keep your hands on the bars in the woods to survive the rooties and rockies and scree and mud, and was just in that zone, not thinking about the etiquette his ride might require on the road.

Or maybe if the original post had contained that Einstein pic we would all be typing in a different thread, perhaps even a different frame of mind.

[sandyrs]

I don’t wave just in case the other rider holds political views different from my own









:p

[choke]

I always thought a bike is judged by how much Campy is on it...:confused:

:) :)

[cmbicycles]

I always thought a bike is judged by how much Campy is on it...:confused:

:) :)
Bikes with Campy on them are actually above reproach, so they can no longer be judged. Bikes with other groups are still open to judgment. [emoji6]

[weisan]

http://alicehui.com/bike/firefly/firefly_a.jpg

[Vientomas]

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/videos/watch/dr-hutchs-guide-waving

[Seramount]

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/videos/watch/dr-hutchs-guide-waving

pretty good primer on waving...

but they didn't address my preferred method of acknowledging riders...the 'chin lift.'

an effective, subtle move that doesn't require removing hands from the bars.

[BobO]

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/videos/watch/dr-hutchs-guide-waving

I prefer the imperceptible nod that can only be recognized by those who are as massively cool as I think I am. :cool:

:p

[beeatnik]

I don’t wave just in case the other rider holds political views different from my own









:p

Sandy, I like your stealth style.