Wheelset build suggestion? 5800 to DT R460

[belopsky]

Ben's has a good deal going..20% off on everything, free labor on wheel builds..
I spec'd out:

32/32 Shimano 5800 105 11spd hubs
DT Swiss R460 rims
Sapim Race spokes

a bit heftier than I wanted (something like 18xx g) but also cost me $260 shipped to my door.
Thoughts? Can I do any better for under $300?

[soulspinner]

I don't think so. I had a set of chorus hubs laced to dt 460 rims with sapim spokes and I love the wheels.

[belopsky]

I don't think so. I had a set of chorus hubs laced to dt 460 rims with sapim spokes and I love the wheels.

TBH I'm not a weight weenie, I don't race and want a durable setup...so this seems reasonable..

[72gmc]

I'm riding a set just like this from oldpotatoe.

They ride well. Even if the build quality is equal to free, you've saved enough to buy roger musson's wheel building book (https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php).

Do pull the hubs apart and rebuild with marine grease before you go out in the slop.

[belopsky]

I'm riding a set just like this from oldpotatoe.

They ride well. Even if the build quality is equal to free, you've saved enough to buy roger musson's wheel building book (https://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php).

Do pull the hubs apart and rebuild with marine grease before you go out in the slop.

I actually own the book. No longer have my wheel building stand...
These are handbuilt wheels from Ben's - don't know how well they build wheels but I'm sure they're good. Worst case have my LBS go over them

[belopsky]

A friend suggested H+Son Archetypes - they're a bit heavier but 23mm width vs the DT's 22mm. Will this really make a difference? I feel like 22mm is wide enough?

I'll be using 38mm tires but the frame can fit 42+

[oldpotatoe]

Ben's has a good deal going..20% off on everything, free labor on wheel builds..
I spec'd out:

32/32 Shimano 5800 105 11spd hubs
DT Swiss R460 rims
Sapim Race spokes

a bit heftier than I wanted (something like 18xx g) but also cost me $260 shipped to my door.
Thoughts? Can I do any better for under $300?

Probably not because no labor or shipping charged, basically low retail on parts only. ...BUT, I'd have a competent wheelbuilder check true, round, tension and stress relieve these before riding..

For right above..Archetypes are great rims but also more expensive, welded seam, etc..also NOT tubeless ready either if that's yer gig..

[weisan]

Can I do any better for under $300?

no. This is a good deal.

[belopsky]

I wanted a wheelset closer to 1500g, but that does not seem possible with the Shimano 105 hubs and 32/32 drilling. I don't think I can do any better from Ben's. The Ultegra hubs are just a tad-bit lighter but not really that much (20g difference in the rear, maybe?).
I don't think I want to use alloy nipples either

[oldpotatoe]

I wanted a wheelset closer to 1500g, but that does not seem possible with the Shimano 105 hubs and 32/32 drilling. I don't think I can do any better from Ben's. The Ultegra hubs are just a tad-bit lighter but not really that much (20g difference in the rear, maybe?).
I don't think I want to use alloy nipples either

You'd need lighter hubs and rims to get to that 1500g range and more $ for sure. Alloy nipps and thin, fewer spokes don't reduce the whole gig much if you want reliability, which means a heavier rim..PLUS 5800/6800 hubs are 32 or 36h only. For that $, a great wheelset..like I mentioned, I'd have a decent wheelbuilder check them..

Remember a liter of water weighs over 2 pounds and you and your bike, that package weighs maybe in the 85,000 or so gram range so I would fret over 300 grams..

[belopsky]

You'd need lighter hubs and rims to get to that 1500g range and more $ for sure. Alloy nipps and thin, fewer spokes don't reduce the whole gig much if you want reliability, which means a heavier rim..PLUS 5800/6800 hubs are 32 or 36h only. For that $, a great wheelset..like I mentioned, I'd have a decent wheelbuilder check them..

Remember a liter of water weighs over 2 pounds and you and your bike, that package weighs maybe in the 85,000 or so gram range so I would fret over 300 grams..Totally agree.
This is just a great deal given they're not charging labor, free shipping..and the 20% off code helps.

The little weight savings do add up..

The wheelset I was looking at prior to is Bike Hub Store (or Bitex) hubs laced to R460 or Kinlin rims which is closer to 15xx g due to also going 28/32.

[Hilltopperny]

I had a pair of the r460 laced to miche race box hubs 32/32 with sapim spokes built by Old Potatoe and they were used on my all road bike over all kinds of terrain. They are a good reliable all around wheelset.

[weisan]

Thanks for alerting me about the sale on Ben's Cycles. Been waiting to jump on these...

https://www.benscycle.com/assets/product_images/bens/large/719-102.jpg

Schmidt SONdelux SL Dynamo DISC Front Hub - 32h Black

With 20% discount/free shipping - $232

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/images/products/medium/43427.jpg

Schmidt SONdelux SL Wide Dynamo Front Hub - 32h Polished

With 20% discount/free shipping - $216

[belopsky]

^yeah great deals on those

[macaroon]

1500g is can be a difficult weight to reach with handbuilt alloys IMO.

Most decent rims are around the 450g mark.

Of course, you can use less spokes and alloy nipples, but less than 28 only really works if you're light, plus brass nipples are just a bit safer if you like to neglect your bike.

The only real option is superlight hubs which are expensive, and CX ray spokes, which are also expensive.

[belopsky]

I love to neglect my bikes.

[peanutgallery]

105 hubs => poop

They suck. If you are on a website dedicated to riding...you should aim a little higher. 350 DT or don't bother, plan on closer to $500. Hope is in the same price point

[weisan]

105 hubs => poop

They suck. If you are on a website dedicated to riding...you should aim a little higher. 350 DT or don't bother, plan on closer to $500. Hope is in the same price point

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[peanutgallery]

OK then, aim low...you'll hate your wheels. $150 goes a long way

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[weisan]

OK then, aim low...you'll hate your wheels. $150 goes a long way

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[peanutgallery]

I can do more pushups than that guy

Happy turkeyday

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[weisan]

I can do more pushups than that guy

Happy turkeyday

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[belopsky]

Right so far I have everyone telling me 105 to R460 is a solid set, and 1 troll

[peanutgallery]

Met him, not impressed. My boy can do more pushups

Happy turkey day

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[weisan]

Met him, not impressed. My boy can do more pushups

Happy turkey day

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[peanutgallery]

PS: Negative on the Kevin Spacey. It's just creepy

Happy turkey day

Met him, not impressed. My boy can do more pushups

Happy turkey day

[weisan]

PS: Negative on the Kevin Spacey. It's just creepy

Happy turkey day

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[peanutgallery]

The boy has the same hair issue, he has another thing coming if he thinks I'm fronting ski team $ without the appearance of a #3 razor

Happy turkey day

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[peanutgallery]

I feel violated, hope I get the part

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[weisan]

I feel violated, hope I get the part

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[peanutgallery]

My cat can do more pushups

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[Black Dog]

Is David Lynch directing this thread?

[peanutgallery]

Eye patch coming your way

Is David Lynch directing this thread?

[belopsky]

Thread derailed..I did get my answer so thanks all!

[Kontact]

If you went to D-Light spokes for everything but the drive side and went to 28 spokes on the front wheel you'd shave 96 grams without impacting the durability of the wheelset (IMO). I don't know if a 1700 gram wheelset is "less hefty" enough to bother with, but there are savings to be had without getting too funky.

[Davist]

For the counter point, how bout these from Prime? they've been getting good reviews, 1530g 20 x 24 tubeless compatible $235

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/prime-race-road-wheelset-2017/rp-prod142943

[belopsky]

For the counter point, how bout these from Prime? they've been getting good reviews, 1530g 20 x 24 tubeless compatible $235

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/prime-race-road-wheelset-2017/rp-prod142943

Way too low spoke count for an all around wheelset for me

[arimajol]

I'm local to Ben's and had them build a wheelset for a couple years ago. It was well done, still true and has had zero problems. I remember them saying they have only one guy who builds for them.

[72gmc]

Eye patch coming your way

I'm willing to believe you secretly covet 105 hubs but deliberately replied otherwise just so you could arrive at this comment.

[Bob Ross]

My wife has an identical (or almost identical; I can't remember if hers are 10-sp or 11-sp) set of wheels on one of her bikes, and I'm not gonna lie, I covet them for their seeming invincibility. I wanna steal them for my commuter bike.
$260 sounds like a steal.

[mhespenheide]

Nashbar is selling a 5800/Mavic Open Sport combination today (11/26/2017), $170 shipped.
http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product2_10053_10052_582917_-1

Hard to beat that...

[belopsky]

Ended up getting 5800 to R460

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[josephr]

just now seeing this thread (was out doing push-ups)...

super deal on a ride-for-forever set of wheels and they look nice on your Gunnar!

[oldpotatoe]

[QUOTE=belopsky;2290169]Ended up getting 5800 to R460

Just curious..first time you rode them, any "pinging" from the wheels?

[bitpuddle]

Ended up getting 5800 to R460


The wheels look good on the bike. They’ll last forever.

How were they getting tires on? I have a wheel set built with those rims that are very tight rolling the bead.

[belopsky]

The wheels look good on the bike. They’ll last forever.

How were they getting tires on? I have a wheel set built with those rims that are very tight rolling the bead.

Not a single problem with these tires. Cannot speak to any other tires.