Help on a New bike?

[Shortsocks]

Hey Folks!!

Been gone for waaaay to long. Still riding but Life has been getting in the way.
Regardless, I was in New Mexico last week riding, and after a giving a very costly wedding anniversary gift to my wife, the Boss Demanded that in return I buy a new bike.

So here we go. I need your help.
I've been out of riding for a while, Just been riding the normal Mech and Rim brakes. So In my search for a bike I came across this bike:

https://vgy.me/tOTQuJ.jpg

Because I've been so far gone from buying a bike, and just riding I really havent put a lot of thought into a new bike.
I came across this one at my LBS, and its got Disc, Di2, and Its the Evo High Mod frame. They want $3999 for it. It was ridden by the owner for 2 weeks and Dropped. So there is a tiny bit of rash on the RD but its fine other than that. Has full warranty Bumper to Bumper for two years. I rode it, and they even offered to let me take it home for a week.

So my question, is this a good bike to last me at least 6 years, and be ahead of the game?

I'm done with Aero, Carbon Rimmed brakes. I just want a Good Reactive bike that Is safe on Very fast downhills...That will be ahead of the curve for at least 5 years.

Regardless, its good to be back here with you guys/gals.
Thanks in advance.

[velofinds]

Has full warranty Bumper to Bumper for two years.

Does it come fully loaded? Floor mats? Does it have floor mats?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Talking about bikes in car dealership terms is an annoyance of mine. :bike:

[Ungaro]

Seems like quite the ride. Not sure what other bikes you've been looking at, or even if you've considered other frame materials. What set up do you have on your existing ride? Playing the Dutch Uncle here, you might get a hot new frameset and transfer your grouppo over to it (minus the carbon rims.....).
Some excellent new steel products out there, as well as titanium, like Lynsky. My days of carbon frames are over, but that's me.

[Shortsocks]

Seems like quite the ride. Not sure what other bikes you've been looking at, or even if you've considered other frame materials. What set up do you have on your existing ride? Playing the Dutch Uncle here, you might get a hot new frameset and transfer your grouppo over to it (minus the carbon rims.....).
Some excellent new steel products out there, as well as titanium, like Lynsky. My days of carbon frames are over, but that's me.


Thats the thing. There is a Pinarello Dogma f8, Dura-ace w/Rim brakes. For exactly the same price. I actually ride a Pinarello FP2, Great shape but I want to upgrade everything frame and Parts. So I'm looking at an entire new build.

I love steel and Alum too. All great materials, but My limit is 4k and I've been out of the loop so long......I used to know quite a bit but it's amazing how quickly One can be left out.

I don't mind Carbon, I've been riding it for so long that I've just become accustomed to it. There are a lot more choices out there right now then years ago when I bought my Pinarello FP2, Its overwhelming.

[simonov]

The short answer is yes and no.

Yes, you'll probably be happy with that bike. The Evo is a great frame and many, many people love theirs. And even more people love Di2 and shimano discs.

The no comes in because it's unlikely anything coming out today will be ahead of the curve 5 years from now with the rate of change in most products. That said, I don't think it matters. And it's highly unlikely that you'll be behind the curve with that bike.

[shovelhd]

The short answer is yes and no.

Yes, you'll probably be happy with that bike. The Evo is a great frame and many, many people love theirs. And even more people love Di2 and shimano discs.

The no comes in because it's unlikely anything coming out today will be ahead of the curve 5 years from now with the rate of change in most products. That said, I don't think it matters. And it's highly unlikely that you'll be behind the curve with that bike.

What he said.

[Shortsocks]

What he said.

HEY SHOVEL!!! Ha! Long time.

That was a really great answer. I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with it too. Just too many options. As another Poster suggested, here is the other bike I'm looking at:

https://vgy.me/sKMxCK.jpg

This one is not at my LBS, its online but also has 2 year warranty as well. Same price. Also, Full Dura-ace.

The old school in me, wants the mechanical and Rim but the New bike in me says to get some forward moving tech. These are both new bikes, both great bikes but both very different bikes. I'm really into Pino's because I've owned two and loved them both. So this is a tough one for sure. Thats why I have come back, You guys/gals have a realistic & Pragmatic approach to cycling like a lot of folks on other forums don't have.

Also, I'm hitting the 40 year old mark, and I'm not racing anymore, Im not as good at recovering as I used to be. I'm just riding for me, for the tranquility, Love of the sport. Never been in this frame of mind buying a bike before so this is new for me....as weird as that sounds.

[R3awak3n]

I like the cdale as in its more "future proof" but I really do not like that paint job.

I also think the pina is a much cooler bike. But what I would do is put a WTB here on the forum and see what people here have. 4k is a good amount of money and can get you something super cool. There is a firefly in the classifieds right now for a bit more than that, DI2, enve wheels, really nice.

[Matthew]

I vote Pinarello. But I like more traditional road bikes overall. I don't care about staying ahead of the curve though either.

[Shortsocks]

I like the cdale as in its more "future proof" but I really do not like that paint job.

I also think the pina is a much cooler bike. But what I would do is put a WTB here on the forum and see what people here have. 4k is a good amount of money and can get you something super cool. There is a firefly in the classifieds right now for a bit more than that, DI2, enve wheels, really nice.

Hey R3awak3n!! Man. It already feels great to be back.
You're right. I've been keeping my eye's on the forum. To see what shows up. I think I'll do that too. Yea, the Paint job is pretty bad, def different. I'd love a C60 with campy but alas, maybe a next life. :banana:

I remember when I wasn't looking for a new Rig, when Great bikes would come up for sale...and When I'm looking there is nothing. I guess thats just life.

I'll see if I can find that FireFly.

[FlashUNC]

Pinarello's geometries are pretty great, and I think their bikes generally ride nicer than most other production stuff.

I'd personally go with the Pinarello, futureproofing be damned. Also, threaded BB unlike that Cannondale.

[MergeForTheKill]

As long as the bike shop is backing it w/warranty thats a hell of a bike for the price.

[simonov]

Pinarello's geometries are pretty great, and I think their bikes generally ride nicer than most other production stuff.

I'd personally go with the Pinarello, futureproofing be damned. Also, threaded BB unlike that Cannondale.

Despite what I said above, I agree with this. I'm not personally so blown away by discs that I've given up on rim brakes, and Pinarellos have excellent geometry and a pretty sterling reputation for ride quality. Good news is you've got two solid options.

[VTR1000SP2]

In my opinion that Cannondale has nothing going for it. The price they're asking is fair given the warranty it comes with and they may even warranty the frame for life but Cannondale carbon frames are not ahead of any curve. They are fantastic bikes though.

You say you're done with aero bikes but I think the future of cycling will closely resemble what Gerard Vroomen is up to with the 3T Strada.

https://roadbikeaction.com/home-page/up-close-with-gerard-vroomen-the-3t-strada

[cribbit]

Do you have to go new?

Have you considered titanium?

4 grand can get you a whole lotta bike.

[charliedid]

Hey Folks!!

Been gone for waaaay to long. Still riding but Life has been getting in the way.
Regardless, I was in New Mexico last week riding, and after a giving a very costly wedding anniversary gift to my wife, the Boss Demanded that in return I buy a new bike.

So here we go. I need your help.
I've been out of riding for a while, Just been riding the normal Mech and Rim brakes. So In my search for a bike I came across this bike:

https://vgy.me/tOTQuJ.jpg

Because I've been so far gone from buying a bike, and just riding I really havent put a lot of thought into a new bike.
I came across this one at my LBS, and its got Disc, Di2, and Its the Evo High Mod frame. They want $3999 for it. It was ridden by the owner for 2 weeks and Dropped. So there is a tiny bit of rash on the RD but its fine other than that. Has full warranty Bumper to Bumper for two years. I rode it, and they even offered to let me take it home for a week.

So my question, is this a good bike to last me at least 6 years, and be ahead of the game?

I'm done with Aero, Carbon Rimmed brakes. I just want a Good Reactive bike that Is safe on Very fast downhills...That will be ahead of the curve for at least 5 years.

Regardless, its good to be back here with you guys/gals.
Thanks in advance.

I don't know what the curve is. Do you like how it rides?

[charliedid]

Also, that Cannondale may have been dropped but that Pinarello appears to have been crashed! :eek:

Anyway buy the bike you like, the future is uncertain.

[weisan]

sock pal, welcome back...I read your whole paragraph and the only thing that stands out is this:


I rode it, and they even offered to let me take it home for a week.

Take full advantage of that generous offer and the answers to your questions lie somewhere in there.

[Shortsocks]

Also, that Cannondale may have been dropped but that Pinarello appears to have been crashed! :eek:

Anyway buy the bike you like, the future is uncertain.

Crashed? What do you mean? I called the shop, they are a Pino dealer and they said it’s brand new, and it comes with a warranty.

Am I missing something?

[Shortsocks]

sock pal, welcome back...I read your whole paragraph and the only thing that stands out is this:



Take full advantage of that generous offer and the answers to your questions lie somewhere in there.

Hey WEIS MAN! I was hoping you’d still be spreading the wisdom abound!
I plan on picking it up tomm. I need to climb before I can I buy....

[stien]

For my money I'd go with timeless instead of trying to play the depreciation curve on modern bike tech. Also you don't want to have an unsellable carbon bike 10 years from now. You'll want something custom that has some sentimental value. My vote is get a wild colored Firefly rim brake bike that'll handle 30s and fenders, maybe di2 compatible - they could always add on stops later.

[charliedid]

Crashed? What do you mean? I called the shop, they are a Pino dealer and they said it’s brand new, and it comes with a warranty.

Am I missing something?

Haha no I am just being a smartass about the frame design :-)

Carry on

[oldpotatoe]

Hey Folks!!

Been gone for waaaay to long. Still riding but Life has been getting in the way.
Regardless, I was in New Mexico last week riding, and after a giving a very costly wedding anniversary gift to my wife, the Boss Demanded that in return I buy a new bike.

So here we go. I need your help.
I've been out of riding for a while, Just been riding the normal Mech and Rim brakes. So In my search for a bike I came across this bike:

https://vgy.me/tOTQuJ.jpg

Because I've been so far gone from buying a bike, and just riding I really havent put a lot of thought into a new bike.
I came across this one at my LBS, and its got Disc, Di2, and Its the Evo High Mod frame. They want $3999 for it. It was ridden by the owner for 2 weeks and Dropped. So there is a tiny bit of rash on the RD but its fine other than that. Has full warranty Bumper to Bumper for two years. I rode it, and they even offered to let me take it home for a week.

So my question, is this a good bike to last me at least 6 years, and be ahead of the game?

I'm done with Aero, Carbon Rimmed brakes. I just want a Good Reactive bike that Is safe on Very fast downhills...That will be ahead of the curve for at least 5 years.

Regardless, its good to be back here with you guys/gals.
Thanks in advance.

Does it fit you? Have you done an extensive, long test ride on it..done some 'very fast downhills"?

Di2/disc for $3999 is a decent price..

Will it 'last' 6 years? Of course unless you stack it or it gets stacked.

"Ahead of the curve for at least 5 years"? Not sure what that means..bike tech, for good and ill, changes all the time for a variety of reasons, some good, most the stuff of the marketeers, not the engineers.

[shovelhd]

This one is not at my LBS, its online but also has 2 year warranty as well. Same price. Also, Full Dura-ace.

You're asking the wrong guy. Frames being equal, I'd take the Di2 (even Ultegra) over any Shimano mechanical. But I'm very biased. Who knows, in five years Di2 may be obsolete. eTap users would say it already is. I would disagree, but that's just me.

If the components are equal to you, then it comes down to the frames. The Evo is very well known. It's a straight up race frame that does everything well except what it wasn't designed for, like 35mm tires and gravel. The Pinarello also has a great lineage, I just don't know how well it rides compared to the Evo.

I think you'll need to take an extended ride on each one in order to decide. One of them is going to disappear beneath you. That's the one I'd choose.

[biker72]

f they are letting you have the bike for a week they are VERY anxious to sell it. I'd be trying to negotiate a lower price.

[ltwtsculler91]

Personally, I like that Pinarello. You're on an older one and like the ride quality, so you're just getting the newer evolved version. Discs are nice but Exalith Mavic wheels may just be the pinnacle of rim braking. Very very good stopping in all conditions you'd find on the road.

I'd think the Pinarello would be a better all day bike than the Evo. The Evos I've ridden tend to be SUPER stiff and I feel like they beat you up a bit on a longer day in the saddle, whereas you have more experience on a Pinarello and the short spin I've taken on an older Dogma seemed like it was a more Italian/all day bike versus the more American/Crit bike feel on an Evo

[shovelhd]

IMO the Synapse is nothing like the Evo in terms of responsiveness.

[josephr]

taking home the cannondale and riding it a week is a sweet offer. I don't think they're desperate to sell it like someone else mentioned, I think its confidence in having a sweet bike they know you'll like. $4k is a great deal but certainly take the opportunity to haggle! My only question is the crank and what improvement did they make over the stock BB30 bearings to switch it over to the DA crank --- these bikes usually come with the BB30/SISL2/Spider-ring set-up. Either way, it probably an improvement especially if they switched over to an adapting BB (Wheels, Praxxis).

Good luck!

[ltwtsculler91]

IMO the Synapse is nothing like the Evo in terms of responsiveness.

Thanks posted edited, I thought it was a Synapse not Evo. Read it wrong

[Shortsocks]

Thanks guys and gals!!
It was super nice for the "Oracles of Paceline" to show up and throw in their 2 cents.

So in the end, I went with the Dogma. 51.5, I'm 178Cm's and 80cm Inseam. So this should fit me well.

My Deciding Factors on this one were pretty heavy. I loved how Di2 shifts, I love how Disc brakes felt. But in the end, I'm old school. I love working on my own bikes, adjusting my own brakes and pretending to adjust my FD. But the one thing I HATE is when I'm going on a ride, and turning on my Garmin to see I only have 4% left. I'm getting to the age, where I'm not going to race anymore, I don't take crazy risks like I used too...

Mechanical Brakes, and Rim is fine with me. After 4 years of riding on Carbon Aero Wheels, I have cussed at myself too long when it rains heavy and I'm stuck with Crap braking. Back to Alum for me, and these Mavic wheels that comes with it, from what I've read and talked to my LBS, have incredible braking. That and 1355grams for both wheels isn't shabby.

So in the end, I've always wanted a Dogma. I had a Pino and I really loved how it rode after all these years...What really kinda really odd is that 10 years ago I used to make fun of 40 something men who bought Dogma's. Fast forward 10 years and Here I am. Near 40 and I'll be riding one too. Jesus. Irony really feels great sometimes.

[pdmtong]

Thanks guys and gals!!
It was super nice for the "Oracles of Paceline" to show up and throw in their 2 cents.

So in the end, I went with the Dogma. 51.5, I'm 178Cm's and 80cm Inseam. So this should fit me well.

My Deciding Factors on this one were pretty heavy. I loved how Di2 shifts, I love how Disc brakes felt. But in the end, I'm old school. I love working on my own bikes, adjusting my own brakes and pretending to adjust my FD. But the one thing I HATE is when I'm going on a ride, and turning on my Garmin to see I only have 4% left. I'm getting to the age, where I'm not going to race anymore, I don't take crazy risks like I used too...

Mechanical Brakes, and Rim is fine with me. After 4 years of riding on Carbon Aero Wheels, I have cussed at myself too long when it rains heavy and I'm stuck with Crap braking. Back to Alum for me, and these Mavic wheels that comes with it, from what I've read and talked to my LBS, have incredible braking. That and 1355grams for both wheels isn't shabby.

So in the end, I've always wanted a Dogma. I had a Pino and I really loved how it rode after all these years...What really kinda really odd is that 10 years ago I used to make fun of 40 something men who bought Dogma's. Fast forward 10 years and Here I am. Near 40 and I'll be riding one too. Jesus. Irony really feels great sometimes.

there are no bad choices. electric and disc is nice, but really shine at the end of a long tiring day when you are getting tired. tough to argue against a DA F8.

the PEO / keronite treatment on the mavic exalaith and shamal mille and vittoria nero results in noticeably better braking. Mavic pads are expensive. If you can find campagnolo pads for shimano or vittoria pads, those wil lbe cheaper.

[wc1934]

Thanks guys and gals!!


So in the end, I went with the Dogma. 51.5, I'm 178Cm's and 80cm Inseam. So this should fit me well.

So in the end, I've always wanted a Dogma. I had a Pino and I really loved how it rode after all these years...What really kinda really odd is that 10 years ago I used to make fun of 40 something men who bought Dogma's. Fast forward 10 years and Here I am. Near 40 and I'll be riding one too. Jesus. Irony really feels great sometimes.

Good choice - now throw a campy grouppo on it - hahah.

[Cicli]

Good choice. The Pinarello is a nice bike.