Can I have it all in a road bike?

[blantonator]

I currently ride a supersix evo himod and love it to death. I've also picked up a DB Haanjo for commuting and occasional backpacking trip. I've been riding a lot less these days and am now dealing with apartment life and would like to combine the two. I'm looking for soemthing that will fit 30's with fender and 42x650b for bike packing and I'd like it to have the handling of my supersix. While I love the the flexibility of the Haanjo it has a 69* HTA in my size and is not an inspiring road bike.

I'm sure I could have something custom made, Davidson and Hampsten are down the street, but what do I do about a fork? I dont want a cross fork with tons of empty clearances. Will an ENVE Gravel fork fit a 650x42? Are there other options?

Thanks!

[eBAUMANN]

its called a cyclocross bike ;)

a bike that "handles like your supersix" will not feel quite so awesome loaded up for bikepacking purposes.

i would recommend a cx frame with a steeper HTA (72.5-73*) and a lower bb (67.5-70).
buy the right bike and it could potential combine your commuter, road bike, cx bike, gravel bike, bikepacking bike, gravel packing bike, cyclogravel trike, etc etc...into one.

[blantonator]

yes yes, i know, but i hate the look of a 30mm road tire with huge clearances around the tire.

[eBAUMANN]

yes yes, i know, but i hate the look of a 30mm road tire with huge clearances around the tire.

well, seeing as how you are riding a lot less and dealing with apt life now...it sounds like you might want to consider making some aesthetic compromises (which matter the least IMO) in the name of functionality...i agree its not the best look but ill happily (and do) deal with it for the added versatility of being able to put whatever tire or tire/fender combo on my bike that i can dream up.

build capability into your bikes, not limitations!

[MattTuck]

key word here is compromise. The more all purpose you make a bike the more you're going to have to compromise on specific things that make it good (functionally or aesthetically) in a single domain.

Personally, 2 bikes is not excessive. The rack that can store 2 bikes vertically might be a better solution than trying to substitute a single all purpose bike for two bikes that are pretty good at what they do.

[blantonator]

key word here is compromise. The more all purpose you make a bike the more you're going to have to compromise on specific things that make it good (functionally or aesthetically) in a single domain.

Personally, 2 bikes is not excessive. The rack that can store 2 bikes vertically might be a better solution than trying to substitute a single all purpose bike for two bikes that are pretty good at what they do.

Well there are also the mountain bikes :banana:

[cachagua]

You can have a lot in one bike, but you can't have the one vital that we all demand and rely on... multiple bikes!

But all seriousness aside, the fork shouldn't be anything to hold you back. I asked about this a couple of weeks ago and got a WEALTH of information here:

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=211063

[jtakeda]

Lemond Poprad disc would do it.

Two wheelsets.

One 650b
One 700c

[andeww]

i basically just went through this myself. Ended up with a cross bike, road gearing and slick 35s. I am very happy. I also have no issues with cantis and the prices have dropped down on frames tremendously. I dont plan on riding too much dirt, or i would go with a compact/ 1x gearing.

[mhespenheide]

You can get a single bike that works with both, as others have suggested, by going with disc brakes and different wheels. But you're still going to have aesthetic compromises. And the storage problem of at least one extra set of wheels.

I'd recommend looking for a rack or other storage solution that has good aesthetics and sticking with the two bikes you already have.

[simplemind]

Of course you can. This (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=212148&highlight=parlee) +two sets of wheels, done! :)

[torquer]

I demo'd a Chebacco earlier this summer, and it was the shizzle.
Didn't take it very far off-road (still recovering from the broken hip at that point), so a second set of smaller tires/lighter wheels were the only thing that would have improved that baby.
Two sets of wheels would cover the waterfront, IMO.

[Jad]

yes yes, i know, but i hate the look of a 30mm road tire with huge clearances around the tire.

I think I know what you mean here. I use my CX bike for the majority of my riding--usually with like 28-30mm to cover all the road riding I do as well as dirt roads, etc. Initially, I don't like the look of the skinnier tires when I'm used to more knobby or 35-38s. But I definitely forget about it after the first switchover.

[charliedid]

In a couple months you can have this: I could live with it as my only bike.

http://www.konaworld.com/rove_ltd.cfm

[josephr]

Lemond Poprad disc would do it.

Two wheelsets.

One 650b
One 700c

was thinking Soma DoubleCross Disc....very similar in the 'one-bike-to-rule-them-all' category. Niner RLT steel?

[blantonator]

was thinking Soma DoubleCross Disc....very similar in the 'one-bike-to-rule-them-all' category. Niner RLT steel?

These are basically the same thing as my Haanjo. I'm maybe looking for a bike built around a ENVE gravel fork or something like a Mr. Pink but with discs.

[sparky33]

Will an ENVE Gravel fork fit a 650x42? Are there other options?


I'm fairly certain that an Enve GRD fork fits a 650bx42, but the proprietary Enve fender won't line up nicely with the 650b tire.
Alternately, you can fit a 650bx38 in an Enve road disc fork or a Parlee road disc fork...no fenders.

Maybe go custom with a steel fork?

[josephr]

These are basically the same thing as my Haanjo. I'm maybe looking for a bike built around a ENVE gravel fork or something like a Mr. Pink but with discs.

ok....well, I wouldn't exactly have suggested a Mr. Pink w/discs from your previous comments. Plenty of steel road bikes out there with discs....Kona Roadhouse/Wheelhouse, Salsa Colossal, Soma Fogcutter....check those out. I think everything else might lean more towards the cross/do-it-all like you've got with the Haanjo.

Edit: Someone just posted about the Breezer Inversion --- I'd not seen that before, looks like the real deal.

[jtbadge]

In a couple months you can have this: I could live with it as my only bike.

http://www.konaworld.com/rove_ltd.cfm

For whatever reason, Kona doesn't really get any buzz, but this bike is so good.

[charliedid]

For whatever reason, Kona doesn't really get any buzz, but this bike is so good.

It may not be what the OP is after but it is a stellar bike. It will sell out quickly.

[Abelicoln]

Sounds like the All City Cosmic Stallion would fit the bill.

[Pastashop]

I’d go with a Jones for the MTB / bike packing duty, and Lyon’s L’Avecaise for everything else. But then again, I found that simplifying my habits works better in the end than (pseudo)simplifying my gear. (Not that I’m terribly successful at it, but...)

Anyhow, look up “Jobst Brandt” and you’ll see the fella did all manner of adventures on a skinny steel frame and 700x28. :-[]

[macaroon]

yes yes, i know, but i hate the look of a 30mm road tire with huge clearances around the tire.

The new CAADX disc would probably fit the bill. I bought one for a winter roadie/summer gravel bike, mainly down to the geometry. The stays are nice and short and the BB is not too high, but it still fits at least a 35c tyre, but you could probably get a 40c in there. It rides like a charm on the road, have been really impressed considering the price. Plus, they look cool in green (well mine doesn't cos it's the size of a gate).

[chrismoustache]

I also really like the Rove. Checked out a few in person, very sharp.

Kona did a pretty good job with the Sutra LTD too.

[KVN]

Niner RLT

[boomforeal]

its called a cyclocross bike ;)

personally i can't stand riding cx bikes on the road. even the more modern ones are too high in the bb and too long in the rear. i know several people who do so, happily, but i just swapped mine out for a fat tire road bike and am much happier for it

something like a Mr. Pink but with discs.

soma fogcutter? they look and ride pretty road, but you can fit 650b semi-fatties in there too

[oldpotatoe]

Well there are also the mountain bikes :banana:

http://www.gunnarbikes.com

Call Richard(Schwinn) and talk to him about what you want.

[shoota]

I currently ride a supersix evo himod and love it to death. I've also picked up a DB Haanjo for commuting and occasional backpacking trip. I've been riding a lot less these days and am now dealing with apartment life and would like to combine the two. I'm looking for soemthing that will fit 30's with fender and 42x650b for bike packing and I'd like it to have the handling of my supersix. While I love the the flexibility of the Haanjo it has a 69* HTA in my size and is not an inspiring road bike.

I'm sure I could have something custom made, Davidson and Hampsten are down the street, but what do I do about a fork? I dont want a cross fork with tons of empty clearances. Will an ENVE Gravel fork fit a 650x42? Are there other options?

Thanks!
Same here. I bought a Hi-Mod SuperX. You don’t get to fit 42s and also not have empty space with 30s, it doesn’t work like that.

[owly]

A custom geo Alan Super Gravel Carbon.

[blantonator]

Talk to Max at 333Fab and may go custom Ti with an Enve gravel fork. His shop is only a block away which makes going custom even more enticing.

[tylercheung]

Black Mountain Road?

[mktng]

The new CAADX disc would probably fit the bill. I bought one for a winter roadie/summer gravel bike, mainly down to the geometry. The stays are nice and short and the BB is not too high, but it still fits at least a 35c tyre, but you could probably get a 40c in there. It rides like a charm on the road, have been really impressed considering the price. Plus, they look cool in green (well mine doesn't cos it's the size of a gate).
Thought about the caadx. But then remembered how much I hate their BB set up.

[mistermo]

I currently ride a supersix evo himod and love it to death. I've also picked up a DB Haanjo for commuting and occasional backpacking trip. I've been riding a lot less these days and am now dealing with apartment life and would like to combine the two. I'm looking for soemthing that will fit 30's with fender and 42x650b for bike packing and I'd like it to have the handling of my supersix. While I love the the flexibility of the Haanjo it has a 69* HTA in my size and is not an inspiring road bike.

I'm sure I could have something custom made, Davidson and Hampsten are down the street, but what do I do about a fork? I dont want a cross fork with tons of empty clearances. Will an ENVE Gravel fork fit a 650x42? Are there other options?

Thanks!

Wow! I'm in the same boat, with a S6 Hi Mod, and was about to get the Haanjo too. I want a road bike the can go off road, and the Haanjo, as cool as it is, is a bit more slack than desired. I looked at Open Cycles' UP and it gets rave reiews (haven't ridden one). However, it's got gobs of tire clearance and looks silly with 25s or 28s on the wheels. And it's uber expensive. Also ridden the Synapse disc, and the geometry was too upright for me, compared to the SuperSix. Then...

A couple weeks ago, I was at a cycling event and laid eyes on a near-to-be-released Ritchey Outback. I took it for a test ride and fell in love. I'm getting one. It seems to check all the boxes:


12mm TA, with flat mount
BSA BB (no funky press fit)
7cm BB drop
no rack or fender mounts (it's a performance oriented bike!)
road geometry
fork axle to crown is 38.3 (not cross sized at 39.5!)
tire clearance up to 38ish, or 40ish-not too much, not too little


To be sure, it's not a SuperSix. But it's also a more performance oriented bike that most everything else that's been offered in this thread, and get's my vote as the best n=1 bike for a rider who loves a SuperSix, but wants more versatility.

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/news/article/ritchey-heads-to-the-outback-with-its-new-gravel-race-bike-48025/

https://gzmyu4ma9b-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Ritchey_Outback_steel-disc-brake-thru-axle-gravel-road-bike_complete.jpg

[weisan]

Some of my bikes can "do it all', that's not the question. The real issue is, "can I?" I don't have the necessary skills and abilities.

[macaroon]

Thought about the caadx. But then remembered how much I hate their BB set up.

The BB is just a normal BB30 shell. I bought an alloy sleeve which I was going to press in so I could use threaded cups, but I just got a converter BB instead which I also pressed in. Not had any issues so far.

[jtakeda]

These are basically the same thing as my Haanjo. I'm maybe looking for a bike built around a ENVE gravel fork or something like a Mr. Pink but with discs.

In your original post you said you liked your Haanjo but the 69* angle wasnt the most fun on the road.

A lemond Poprad Disc has 73* sta and clearance for 43s.
And it’s disc so you can run 650b easily.

I guess my question is what’s wrong with the Poprad? Do you want something more road capable? More camp capable? Higher zoot?

Just trying to get a better idea of what you’re looking for.

[Drmojo]

Some of my bikes can "do it all', that's not the question. The real issue is, "can I?" I don't have the necessary skills and abilities.

different horses for different courses
if space and pocketbook allow, of course

[Ralph]

If you don't like the adventure or gravel bike look....another option is the slightly more relaxed long distance riders....like the Cannondale Synapse, and Trek and Giant both have their versions. These bikes have slightly longer head tubes, slightly shorter top tubes, and usually lower BB than crit bikes. Carbon or aluminum and parts of your choice. They are designed for more comfortable riding than a pure race bike. They make great riders.....maybe 28 MM is biggest tire you can run though...depending on bike. May have to jury rig for fenders. Probably what most road riders s/b riding. Design is kinda like race bikes of the 70's.

[Kirk007]

333fab either custom or airlandsea.

[Duende]

Mosaic GT-1. Sure I’m just a little biased ;), but I think this bike is aimed directly at what you’re after. I’m running 700-38’s right now with an Enve GRD fork. I’d be very surprised if it couldn’t fit a 650-42.

I don’t think it looks like a gravel bike either (if that concerns ya). Geometry is not so upright. I would place it directly in between a gran fondo “stage race” style road bike and what most folks call a gravel/adventure bike.

[TunaAndBikes]

I can't talk about it much as I don't own one, but it seems to check all boxes and it's pretty attractive looking.

Focus Paralane comes to mind as well for a lighter option