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[galgal]

Pretty sure wallyman has an equally excellent timeline of the Colnago steel Master family, that he shared here. I recall he helpfully replied to where my steel Colnago belonged. Can't find link but pretty sure it is here.
Coincidentally, rode that Colnago in weirdly warm weather in NYC today, 90 degrees! Weather might vary or be crazy but man Colnagos sure remain special and make one smile, even after all the years

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[galgal]

Ah great you found the link. And good luck with the Colnago search. I'm sort of searching for an EPS myself. Probably way beyond my means but one can dream. Btw, that Colnago Conic of mine has had a few upgrades and touch up since the pic in that thread. I posted a pic after the ride today on the 'steel lovers' thread. Upgrades or not, it just rides great.

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[paredown]

Thank you very much! I used your search term "Colnago steel Master family" and found this on Google:
"Compiled research for the steel-loving tifosi: Colnago Master/MXL family tree (http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=194092)",
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Walter, do you know what model/year the switch to 1 1/8" head tubes occurred for the steel frames?
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Not Walter, but I can say it was late--the generation of bikes in the late '90s all still had the 1" fork--C40, Tecnos, CT-1 to name a few.

According to internet babble, Ernesto did not 1 1/8/threadless, so it wasn't until the next generation that you got the larger forks--Dream B-Stay (2004), C50, CT-2, so it is probably the hybrid Master (Wallyman calls it the Master B-Stay) that had the carbon rear stays that had the first 1 1/8 fork, but that is a guess.

[RobJ]

Here are two other sources for dating certain models/features:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/colnago_dating.html
http://www.velo-retro.com/colnagotline.html

[galgal]

Not to highjack thread but since you ask. Hyperons are on my C40.

EPS/EP. Have no direct experience of either, so good to know that you find the EP fantastic. Not being Erik Zabel, I'm sure I couldn't tell the difference between the two:rolleyes: Just that the EPS seems to elicit the kind of reviews formerly reserved for the C40. For instance, Brian Palmer at WMP while noting the giddyup to EPS, also calls it the most comfortable bike he has ever ridden. (Yes, we know that comfort isn't all about $$$$ frames but things like tires and tire pressure. But still.)
Seems like a pipe dream in any case.

[weiwentg]

Not Walter, but I can say it was late--the generation of bikes in the late '90s all still had the 1" fork--C40, Tecnos, CT-1 to name a few.

According to internet babble, Ernesto did not 1 1/8/threadless, so it wasn't until the next generation that you got the larger forks--Dream B-Stay (2004), C50, CT-2, so it is probably the hybrid Master (Wallyman calls it the Master B-Stay) that had the carbon rear stays that had the first 1 1/8 fork, but that is a guess.

Since nobody better informed than I has chimed in yet, I'll just say that this corresponds to what I remember. I was lusting after an MXL or Tecnos in the mid 2000s. Never wound up getting one, but I do recall the 1" forks in general.

I stopped investigating them around the release of the Master B-Stay. I also recall Colnago discontinued MXLs for a few years in the mid 00s, then one year they tried with the Master B-Stays. I'm glad they are selling them again, but I'm also fine with not getting one.

I also vaguely recall hearing that the Tecnos tubing was better for light riders than the MXL tubing. I think it may have been from a poster on Roadbikereview.com who had an MXL and was familiar with steel 'Nagos in general (may be lonefrontranger?). I could be full of it, though.

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[galgal]

Can hardly claim to be a Colnago expert, but in answer to your question, will say that I believe you are correct that if a steel Master has a Precisa fork it has a 1" HT. Even the earlier carbon frames/forks such as earlier versions of C40 had 1" forks/ht.
As for the Extreme family you might be exactly right that the only difference between EP/EPS is the integrated headset in the latter. That being the case, while they both get positive reviews, beats me why the reviews of EPS verge on the hyperbolic. In any case, bet they are both rather nice:)

[paredown]

Can hardly claim to be a Colnago expert, but in answer to your question, will say that I believe you are correct that if a steel Master has a Precisa fork it has a 1" HT. Even the earlier carbon frames/forks such as earlier versions of C40 had 1" forks/ht.
As for the Extreme family you might be exactly right that the only difference between EP/EPS is the integrated headset in the latter. That being the case, while they both get positive reviews, beats me why the reviews of EPS verge on the hyperbolic. In any case, bet they are both rather nice:)

Agreed. All the Precisas were 1", as well as the early carbon forks (earliest were rebadged Time AFAIK).

I had a CT-1 (1" carbon) and a late model Tecnos (1" carbon) although I think the steel Precisa was optional on at least the earlier Tecnos. My Master Piu shipped with the 1" chrome Precisa, but it was late 80s.

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... I believe you are correct that if a steel Master has a Precisa fork it has a 1" HT...

Agreed. All the Precisas were 1"...

I, too, am not an expert. Only thing to add is the Prescia being a 1" only fork fits my recollections, and when I googled Prescia forks, I'm not seeing anything other than 1".

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[wallymann]

Walter, do you know what model/year the switch to 1 1/8" head tubes occurred for the steel frames?

uh, never! even the master b-stay has a 1" steerer spec.

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[jet sanchez]

https://wyoming.craigslist.org/bik/d/colngao-italian-race-bike/6305965174.html

https://images.craigslist.org/01212_aejonBUmJZj_1200x900.jpg

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[wallymann]

https://wyoming.craigslist.org/bik/d/colngao-italian-race-bike/6305965174.html

thats a really great deal!


By the way, I saw this on eBay yesterday and thought of your Rabo Master, but the steerer is surely too short.
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eNwAAOSwNZtZxEpB/s-l500.jpg


it is, but i actually already have a spare AD23 precisa in my parts-bin. but i like the look of chrome i have now (http://majortaylorcycling.org/bikes/walter_colnago_master-rabobank.jpg) -- to balance the shiny rear triangle!

[weiwentg]

Beautiful paint. Good seller too....
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Very pretty bike!

I remember I got a Colnago Dream Plus, 48 or 49 cm, on closeout from Competitive Cyclist. Built it up, then it got destroyed in a car v bike. Insurance made me whole. But yeah, I had a few rides on that, and it was a very nice bike. Smooth ride, despite the aluminum frame and 23mm tires. I forget what paint scheme code, but it was black and yellow. Not one of the prettiest paint schemes to me, but it was very nice. One of my ride buddies had a CT1 in a blue and silver scheme, which I also thought looked great. And in 2003, the guy on the yellow Colnago MXL in the finishing group in the men’s cat 4 race dusted everyone else -I was bringing up the back end of the group :p

I haven’t seen as many Colnagos on the roads since I left Ann Arbor, but this thread brought up a few good memories.

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[wallymann]

It surely is, for the person who fits it. Not for you and I, I think. What do you think it is, a 56 or so? Definitely not a 61.

definitely too small for we long-of-inseam...looks like not even a 56, maybe a 54,

[GonaSovereign]

Not to highjack thread but since you ask. Hyperons are on my C40.

EPS/EP. Have no direct experience of either, so good to know that you find the EP fantastic. Not being Erik Zabel, I'm sure I couldn't tell the difference between the two:rolleyes: Just that the EPS seems to elicit the kind of reviews formerly reserved for the C40. For instance, Brian Palmer at WMP while noting the giddyup to EPS, also calls it the most comfortable bike he has ever ridden. (Yes, we know that comfort isn't all about $$$$ frames but things like tires and tire pressure. But still.)
Seems like a pipe dream in any case.

I'd mention the EPS I have for sale in the classifieds (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=210286&highlight=colnago+EPS), but if the C40 is yours, mine will be a bit big.

[paredown]

I'd mention the EPS I have for sale in the classifieds (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=210286&highlight=colnago+EPS), but if the C40 is yours, mine will be a bit big.

Your EPS is my size--just not my budget! If I were riding more I would be tempted...

I miss having a Colnago around.

[galgal]

I'd mention the EPS I have for sale in the classifieds (https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=210286&highlight=colnago+EPS), but if the C40 is yours, mine will be a bit big.

Thanks, very nice EPS. But yes, too big. C40 is a 51 (trad). GLWS!

[tuscanyswe]

I think you are all correct. All the specs I read, even for current 2017/18 Masters, read:

Frame: Colnago DT15V steel
Fork: Colnago Precisa steel
Headset Included: Yes, Colnago 1” threadless sealed cartridge
Steerer Tube: 1”


Beautiful paint. Good seller too....
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Oh no i shouldent. I must not. That is really nice.
Looks like a project, for someone.. !

[paredown]

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Interesting, thanks. What size were your frames? I am a Clyde, 6'-1"...any opinion on the Tecnos v. Master in a 61 trad?
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The Tecnos was a Freuler 61 that was sold to me as a smaller frame--since it measures out at 57+ c-t-c on the seat tube. I loved the ride, and I preferred it to the old Master Piu (also too big--it was a 60 in Colnago c-t-t sizing)--but it was kind of apples to oranges, since the Tecnos had a carbon fork. I ended up selling both on, since I finally figured out that I was too stretched out.

I have not ridden a new/recent generation Master.

You will hear rumors of a weight limit on Technos frames, but AFAIK (after some serious poking around)--this was the US distributor, not Colnago that claimed a weight limit. I was probably averaging around 175# on the Tecnos--and I loved the ride.

I also really liked the ride of the CT-1--B Stay rear and carbon fork--very plush.

Sweet spot for me (I like a more traditional sizing)--is a 54s /58 or 59 in Colnago (old sizing)--but I have not tried out any of the new or new-ish carbon frames to know where I would end up. (I'm a little under 6' as I shrink with age...)

Someone mentioned the size/geo change on the carbon frames--looks like Wally has that covered as well:
http://brown-snout.com/cycling/tech/_ColnagoGeometryReference.pdf

[GonaSovereign]

Someone mentioned the size/geo change on the carbon frames--looks like Wally has that covered as well:
http://brown-snout.com/cycling/tech/_ColnagoGeometryReference.pdf

The changes were made to accommodate integrated headsets for the most part. The major diff is the head tube length, internal vs external.

[wallymann]

yep, true...curious why they changed the STA and ETT specs. would be interesting to compare the stack/reach numbers between the 2 eras.

The changes were made to accommodate integrated headsets for the most part. The major diff is the head tube length, internal vs external.