Glue on new tubular for spare, coats?

[quattro]

I'm putting glue on a new tubular tire to carry with me as a spare, how many coats of Vittoria Mastik One should I apply?

Don't know when this tire will actually be installed on a wheel, but want to have a spare with me in case I have to, g-d forbid, change a tubular out on the road. I do carry a small bottle of Orange Seal, so hopefully that would do the trick, but just in case...

I followed oldpotato gluing instructions to mount on the wheel, worked great.

Appreciate you input.

quattro

[acarvalho]

Man, this tubular thing coming back is funny. Anyways, never, I repeat, never take with you a new tubular as spare! If you try to change it at the roadside, it will take hours until you get it. Use as spare a Half-Life one, which has stretched enough. And no, don't need glue. The remaining glue on the rim will take you home.

Enviado de meu Moto G (4) usando Tapatalk

[quattro]

acarvalho, I had placed the new tire, a Continental Gatorskin 25mm on a rim for stretching, pumped to 120psi for well over a month. I had installed Gatorskins on the wheels and therefore do not have an old spare, these are basically new tubular wheels I purchased last year. You have to start somewhere...
Still no glue on them?

Thanks,
quattro

[uber]

I have been using a thin Tufo tubular tire as a spare. It folds up in the jersey pocket and easily slips on a wheel. To answer your question, I put no glue on the spare. Tire inflation pressure keeps the tire on, but I don't corner hard and try to avoid aggressive downhill riding on the spare. Good luck.

[acarvalho]

No glue, if you put enough on your current tires, it will leave enough on the rim for a return ride. I would still use a used tire as spare, for it has stretched under real conditions on the road.

Enviado de meu Moto G (4) usando Tapatalk

[quattro]

No glue, if you put enough on your current tires, it will leave enough on the rim for a return ride. I would still use a used tire as spare, for it has stretched under real conditions on the road.

Enviado de meu Moto G (4) usando Tapatalk

Well, as I explained above, I don't have a used tire to take as a spare, so I'll have to take the new one.

Would putting a coat or two of glue on the new tire and storing it as a spare have any negative impact?

Thanks again,
quattro

[Dead Man]

I've always used an old previously glued tire as a spare, so I guess I haven't even had to address the question before. I do take a small tube of Mastik 1 and when I've had to use the spare, I squirt a little on the rim before I mount the tire. This softens the cured glue on both surfaces and seems to work really well.... have never thrown a spare tubular yet, anyway.

I think if using a new tire, I wouldn't bother with pre-gluing. I only do one coat on the tire when I mount new tires from the comfort of my bike room anyway, so the one coat I add from my mini tube will be about equivalent to my SOP anyway.

Generally you're mounting a spare just to get you back home, and you'll then rip it off and properly mount a fresh tire of preference unhurried and controlled back home. Personally, I don't want my long training ride to be cut short for a flat - I want that sucker actually glued, 'cuz I'm gonna keep riding. Within an hour, Mastik 1 cures up with a better bond than most other glues at FULL cure, so just don't do any hard cornering till you hit that mark.

If I didn't want to keep riding, I guess I'd probably be fine sticking a dry tire on hard dried glue on the rim... and just ride super chill and diligent about not putting any lateral force on the tires. But it's still a risk... old rim glue can be so dry it doesn't stick at all.

[Dead Man]

Man, this tubular thing coming back is funny. Anyways, never, I repeat, never take with you a new tubular as spare! If you try to change it at the roadside, it will take hours until you get it. Use as spare a Half-Life one, which has stretched enough. And no, don't need glue. The remaining glue on the rim will take you home.

Enviado de meu Moto G (4) usando Tapatalk

Coming back? Never knew it left....


Seems to me like tubular is just on the decline more and more all the time, not coming back... but I just live and ride in my own little corner of the world over here.

[sparky33]

Well, as I explained above, I don't have a used tire to take as a spare, so I'll have to take the new one.

I have a spare 1/2 life spare you can have, a 25mm Corsa I think. PM me and I mail it across town, gratis. Comes with genuine old glue too.

[Tickdoc]

I use an old corsa take-off that has old glue on it already, dried and crispy.

[11.4]

Well, a brand new Gatorskin is going to be a study in torture. You can inflate it on a bare rim for a year and it won't stretch out like it would as a tire in use, and even for a used tire, a Gatorskin can be nasty to mount.

Seriously, I'd recommend you hold that Gatorskin for use when you need a new tire. Get a lightweight Tufo (you can use a Tufo S3 Pro at 165 grams very nicely as a reliable spare) and at least you'll have a tire you'll be able to mount. Or put the word out for worn tires and there are plenty of people here who accumulate them after than they need spares. There are always good used tires suitable for a spare available for the price of postage. Remember that you may have a tire that'll be tied up under your saddle for a year or two, that may be getting rained on regularly and covered with dust, and otherwise treated like crap. It'll beat up a new tire. The S3 Pros are nice because they fold small, mount reasonably, and they have enough tread to be very nicely durable and get you home safely. Any used Vittoria or Veloflex tire works superbly as well, or a Specialized or similar tubie.

As for the tire itself, I don't recommend putting fresh glue on a spare when you mount it. It can make it slippery and make it slide. It also mucks up your rim as well. Every spring, put a couple thin layers of fresh glue on the spare tire, or as many layers as you need. You want it to be built up enough so it makes a smooth surface (i.e., doesn't get absorbed into the base tape so tape fabric texture is transmitting through). That will make it a solid gluing surface. Remember that it works electrostatically, not by dissolving the joint and bonding it by mechanical means. You'll be fine. If it's nicely dry before wrapping up your spare, it'll pull apart nicely when you need to install it. Different base tapes on different tires absorb glue at different rates (plus when it's a used tire, it may only need one thin coat if the base tape is already loaded), so don't expect every tire to be the same. Just inspect it and when it looks like described above, it'll be perfect.

[acarvalho]

Man, this thread looks like a conversation young Jacques Anquetil would have! Since the creation of extremely good clinchers, what is the point of using tubulars? Present time professional cyclists use them because companies want to sell them as novelties. It is like yoyo, the come and go.

Enviado de meu Moto G (4) usando Tapatalk

[quattro]

11.4, thank you for the good advice on the Gatorskins, Tufo and gluing, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Sparky33 has offered to provide me with a used spare tubular, and he's even offered to drop it by my house this morning! It doesn't get much better than that, I heart this forum! It's the best!!

Thanks,
quattro

Well, a brand new Gatorskin is going to be a study in torture. You can inflate it on a bare rim for a year and it won't stretch out like it would as a tire in use, and even for a used tire, a Gatorskin can be nasty to mount.

Seriously, I'd recommend you hold that Gatorskin for use when you need a new tire. Get a lightweight Tufo (you can use a Tufo S3 Pro at 165 grams very nicely as a reliable spare) and at least you'll have a tire you'll be able to mount. Or put the word out for worn tires and there are plenty of people here who accumulate them after than they need spares. There are always good used tires suitable for a spare available for the price of postage. Remember that you may have a tire that'll be tied up under your saddle for a year or two, that may be getting rained on regularly and covered with dust, and otherwise treated like crap. It'll beat up a new tire. The S3 Pros are nice because they fold small, mount reasonably, and they have enough tread to be very nicely durable and get you home safely. Any used Vittoria or Veloflex tire works superbly as well, or a Specialized or similar tubie.

As for the tire itself, I don't recommend putting fresh glue on a spare when you mount it. It can make it slippery and make it slide. It also mucks up your rim as well. Every spring, put a couple thin layers of fresh glue on the spare tire, or as many layers as you need. You want it to be built up enough so it makes a smooth surface (i.e., doesn't get absorbed into the base tape so tape fabric texture is transmitting through). That will make it a solid gluing surface. Remember that it works electrostatically, not by dissolving the joint and bonding it by mechanical means. You'll be fine. If it's nicely dry before wrapping up your spare, it'll pull apart nicely when you need to install it. Different base tapes on different tires absorb glue at different rates (plus when it's a used tire, it may only need one thin coat if the base tape is already loaded), so don't expect every tire to be the same. Just inspect it and when it looks like described above, it'll be perfect.

[oldpotatoe]

I'm putting glue on a new tubular tire to carry with me as a spare, how many coats of Vittoria Mastik One should I apply?

Don't know when this tire will actually be installed on a wheel, but want to have a spare with me in case I have to, g-d forbid, change a tubular out on the road. I do carry a small bottle of Orange Seal, so hopefully that would do the trick, but just in case...

I followed oldpotato gluing instructions to mount on the wheel, worked great.

Appreciate you input.

quattro

2 thin ones..that'll get ya home..reglue when home. I add sealant to my tires when using them also..had it plug a small hole the other day..still using the tire, almost 3 weeks later.

[oldpotatoe]

Man, this tubular thing coming back is funny. Anyways, never, I repeat, never take with you a new tubular as spare! If you try to change it at the roadside, it will take hours until you get it. Use as spare a Half-Life one, which has stretched enough. And no, don't need glue. The remaining glue on the rim will take you home.

Enviado de meu Moto G (4) usando Tapatalk

My aunt matilda's mustache..I use a stretched, new Vittoria Corsa Elite, preglued( 2 thin layers), as the spare. If I get a flat that Orange seal doesn't plug, off old tire, new one on..center, pump up, ride home. Been doing this for 35 years. Less the sealant.

Present time professional cyclists use them because companies want to sell them as novelties.

No, carbon rims with tubulars still the best choice for these pros who race.

Lessee, why tubuars?...better ride, more comfy, less chance it'll come off if flat, no pinch flats, use 85psi(even at .1 offa ton rider weight), generally lighter...lotsa reasons to use tubulars. I own no clinchers, clinchers are for 'nancys'(lOOK OUT!!)..it's a joke son.

[quattro]

2 thin ones..that'll get ya home..reglue when home. I add sealant to my tires when using them also..had it plug a small hole the other day..still using the tire, almost 3 weeks later.

How much sealant, 2 oz.? So far I have not pre-treated my tubulars. If I don't ride the wheels over the winter, for say 5 months, will the Orange Seal dry up and be a problem in the spring? What say you??

thanks,
quattro

[oldpotatoe]

How much sealant, 2 oz.? So far I have not pre-treated my tubulars. If I don't ride the wheels over the winter, for say 5 months, will the Orange Seal dry up and be a problem in the spring? What say you??

thanks,
quattro

Couple of Oz..not much..Yes, any sealant gets kinda lumpy when not rotated..Orange seal less than Stans for sure..why not ride them in the winter?

[quattro]

Couple of Oz..not much..Yes, any sealant gets kinda lumpy when not rotated..Orange seal less than Stans for sure..why not ride them in the winter?
I'll stick with carrying a small bottle of Orange Seal and hope I never have to use it. Don't like the idea of lumpy gravy in my tubs next spring.
I stick to indoor riding in the winter. The roads in MA. get pretty ugly after snow with salt and sanding, lots of pot holes. I would never consider using my carbon tubulars in those conditions. Besides, I don't like to be riding outdoors when it's below 50 degrees!

Thanks again,
quattro

[Mark McM]

Man, this thread looks like a conversation young Jacques Anquetil would have! Since the creation of extremely good clinchers, what is the point of using tubulars? Present time professional cyclists use them because companies want to sell them as novelties. It is like yoyo, the come and go.

No, the majority of professional cyclists use clinchers. Professional racers are only a small fraction of all professional cyclists - the majority of professional cyclists are delivery people, messengers, etc., for whom clinchers are a better choice.

Professional racers use tubulars for reasons that apply specifically to them - compared to similar skinny clinchers, they are less prone to pinch flats, and in case of a flat tire, they can be ridden on further and more safely flat than clinchers (claims of better handling and traction of tubulars are largely unproven). These are important factors when every second counts, and when replacement wheels are quickly and readily available from support vehicles.

[11.4]

And let's remember that when pro racers are training, they are as often as not on clinchers for the same reason others would ride them.

Of course, I grew up on tubulars and love them still. If like OP I was in Boston, I might think twice about tubulars in the winter, but if in Colorado like the other OP (Spud), I would certainly do it. Texas? Hell yeah. It's all about local riding conditions and if you appreciate what tubulars can do (a lot of riders simply don't feel enough difference to make it worthwhile) and can do the service on them, they can be really sweet. I'm waiting to see the new Pirellis. After Clement Criterium Seta Extras, the old Pirelli Specialissimo Corsas were freakin' amazing tires. I'm hoping they are getting back to something like them.

As for sealant, I'm also in the category of adding it when it's needed. Too little and it isn't enough to do the job, too much and it's a mess and hardens. Sealant is good for year-round riding but in extreme temperatures it seems (for me anyway) to go bad faster. Better just to add as much as is needed when it's needed. The worst thing that's happened is that I've dropped out of a pace line and will finish alone. And I'm good at repairing tubulars so leaving off the sealant makes that a bit easier. I'd suggest you skip the sealant and learn to sew a tubular. If riding alone, the stop isn't a problem. If in a pace line, possibly use sealant in the hopes it'll get you on your way quickly, especially if riders are waiting.