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sales guy
07-04-2017, 02:42 PM
After 4 years of not riding, I tried it. I rode. Honestly, the shorts is the worst part. The whole smooshing of the junk in the shorts. That's been the most painful. I did get a pair of Assos Cento S7 shorts last week with the Kuku Pouch but they are a bit snug. So I used my HIncapie bibs.

Oh, and Enve and their textured braking surface....HOLY WOW does it suck! Super noisy. They don't brake worth anything honestly. And the Chris King freehub, UGH!!!! Super noisy there too. I gotta get some different wheels. I can't stand these things. I'll keep them for show wheels. Hell, if I get a set of Shamals on there I would win a particular award next year.

Not sure how long or how much I can keep riding tho. The saddle is not the problem amazingly. But the shorts smooshing, not comfy.

oldpotatoe
07-04-2017, 02:44 PM
After 4 years of not riding, I tried it. I rode. Honestly, the shorts is the worst part. The whole smooshing of the junk in the shorts. That's been the most painful. I did get a pair of Assos Cento S7 shorts last week with the Kuku Pouch but they are a bit snug. So I used my HIncapie bibs.

Oh, and Enve and their textured braking surface....HOLY WOW does it suck! Super noisy. They don't brake worth anything honestly. And the Chris King freehub, UGH!!!! Super noisy there too. I gotta get some different wheels. I can't stand these things. I'll keep them for show wheels. Hell, if I get a set of Shamals on there I would win a particular award next year.

Not sure how long or how much I can keep riding tho. The saddle is not the problem amazingly. But the shorts smooshing, not comfy.

You need to find a new Urologist. Gotta be a solution to yer plumbing.

VTCaraco
07-04-2017, 03:08 PM
BIG differences with different saddles....

nobuseri
07-04-2017, 03:13 PM
+1

Don't give up yet. See if you can rent/borrow a few diff saddles. It may significantly change things for you (for better, or worse).


BIG differences with different saddles....

ofcounsel
07-04-2017, 03:19 PM
Good on you for getting out there. But yeah, getting yourself worked on should be your #1 priority. Life is too short to be in that sort of pain.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 03:20 PM
You need to find a new Urologist. Gotta be a solution to yer plumbing.


The right side is fine. It's the left that has pressure issues. And trying shorts on kind of solidified that.

I've been to 26 different Uros now. Including at the Mayo Clinic which is #1 for Uro in the US. Been to the head of the Cleveland Clinic Uro Dept- #12 in the US for Uro. As well as to the guy who did the very first reversal who's in St Louis. That guy was a JA and didn't even want to see me. ONLY if I wanted a reversal for procreation. NOT, for PVPS. At first they wouldn't even take my appointment. So I kind of sort of fibbed so I could see him.

Also seen a specialist in AZ and one in FL. Both used many times for reversals for PVPS.

Everyone basically says I need a reversal. But that's not a guarantee. And it's 3 months of down time which I can't do.

26 uros- including the head of the Mayo Clinic Uro Dept and head of the Cleveland Clinic Uro Dept.
6 pain management people
3 chiropractors
3 accupuncturists
2 yoga places- for stretching and strengthening my pelvic floor
5 ultra sound techs/ultrasounds
4 mri's
3 CT scans- with and without contrast
62 different drugs or drug cocktails including injections directly into the spermatic cord with two types of numbing drugs. One immediate, one long lasting.

I've wasted an absolute buttload on this for the last 4 years.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 03:25 PM
BIG differences with different saddles....

+1

Don't give up yet. See if you can rent/borrow a few diff saddles. It may significantly change things for you (for better, or worse).


It's not the saddle. I actually don't feel the saddle at all when I ride. Actually, immediately when I put the shorts on i feel it. It's the pressure on the left side that causes it. I have a ton of saddles from a bunch of people. Never got that Infinity one cause they never emailed or called me back. But my SLR is super comfortable. No pain from it. At least not in the junk.

Ive always used narrower saddle and the SLR is perfect. Always has been. My Exemplar has a custom leathered Flite. But it's the new one. I tried it and it sucked. Too wide in the tail and nose. Switched to the SLR and very happy. I have not tried riding sans clothing to see if there's an issue but I would bet there would be. As things would be kind of everywhere. The shorts just smash everything together and like I said, it's the left side that has the problem.

Mzilliox
07-04-2017, 03:38 PM
just cut your balls off and be done with it

tv_vt
07-04-2017, 03:40 PM
The Assos s7 Equipe is also a little roomier in front, even w/o the penthouse.

ofcounsel
07-04-2017, 03:43 PM
just cut your balls off and be done with it

I was thinking the same thing, in all seriousness.

I have an acquaintance who messed up his arm pretty bad in a motorcycle crash. Basically, it was basically non-functional (very little movement and nerve damage) and he had lots of pain. So, finally had it cut off at the shoulder after 2 years. He's much happier now and back to riding (bikes, not motorcycles).

R3awak3n
07-04-2017, 04:07 PM
I actually been having ball pain this past few weeks so I know how you feel (well kind of). I get it once in a while and it blows.. Not really sure what the deal is. I have gone to the urologist of course because it freaked me out. Got a ultrasound, he said not problems. Said it was something, I am blanking out, that a lot of people have it, specially active people. It always goes away and then its fine for a long time.

So I understand where you come from but its even worst for you because its all year long. But I say definitely don't give up on it. What about ridding with normal shorts instead? There are also shorts that compress more than others.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 04:10 PM
just cut your balls off and be done with it

You'd be surprised how difficult it would be to do that. That(orchiectomy), denervation and epididectomy are really tough to get them to do. There is no going back. And the success rate is at most only 20%. They really don't like doing those three.

gasman
07-04-2017, 06:55 PM
Glad you were able to get on the bike.

ofcounsel
07-04-2017, 06:59 PM
You'd be surprised how difficult it would be to do that. That(orchiectomy), denervation and epididectomy are really tough to get them to do. There is no going back. And the success rate is at most only 20%. They really don't like doing those three.

Sounds like you've given it some thought. I hope you find some further comfort with different clothing to keep you out there riding.

AngryScientist
07-04-2017, 07:16 PM
If the shorts are the worst part for you; just ride in regular shorts. Touring cyclist cross the country in golf shorts all the time; no need to torture yourself if compression types chamois don't work for your particular situation.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 07:20 PM
The Assos s7 Equipe is also a little roomier in front, even w/o the penthouse.

The assos line is super confusing to me. Fortunately I know someone who's in management there and can help. He thinks the Cento with the pouch will help. I just have to get the next size up here. They're just a bit snug. I may ask him to send the Equipes as well. I am curious about the Kuku pair. Charles at Pez swears by them and is the reason I even looked into them. He was at Cytech in Italy last month and saw the pads and how they're made and mentioned them. I like almost everything about them. The front seems a bit lower but it could be the sizing issue. Same with the legs. A bit shorter. I think the next size up will fix everything. But I'll find out when I get them here. Till then I'm wearing a nice pair of Hincapie bibs. I love them. But the pressure really sucks.

skijoring
07-04-2017, 07:21 PM
I would go full recumbent. No pressure on the junk.

Tickdoc
07-04-2017, 07:26 PM
Four years?! That seems like plenty of time for something to either heal or manifest itself towards definitive treatment.

Wait a minute, aren't you in the industry as well?

It would kill me to be in this business and not get to ride.

I echo the recumbent idea, at least try it, you may like it.

So sorry, dude, I hope you find some way to get relief and ride at the same time.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 07:28 PM
If the shorts are the worst part for you; just ride in regular shorts. Touring cyclist cross the country in golf shorts all the time; no need to torture yourself if compression types chamois don't work for your particular situation.


The issue isn't the chamois. it's that bike shorts in general smash things to keep things out of the way so they don't get hurt. So it's the pressure of smashing things. Not the chamois. i have no issues with he chamois and never had an issue with the bibs in general TILL now. AFTER the vasectomy.

Normally after a vasectomy they say to wear tightie whities. But I couldn't. It was too much pressure. That's why sitting, standing, walking, running and everything has caused pain. I noticed a while ago I was walking funny cause my left leg was kicking out a bit to avoid bumping the junk and causing pain. NOW when I ride I notice it more too. My leg trying not to go in as to not bump things. It causes some unique riding issues.

The wearing of regular shorts, I tired it. Since things hang lower, they sit funky on the saddle and cause more pain. So bike shorts are needed but that area puts pressure on things. I am hoping the Kuku Pouch helps lift and separates things. That's what PEZ says happens. I won't know till I get the other size in tho.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 07:29 PM
I would go full recumbent. No pressure on the junk.

still pressure cause the leg bumps the junk and that causes pain. I end up walking funny do to not wanting to bump things. Sitting, standing, walking, running, everything that bumps or brushes against the junk causes pain. Left side only tho.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 07:41 PM
Four years?! That seems like plenty of time for something to either heal or manifest itself towards definitive treatment.

Wait a minute, aren't you in the industry as well?

It would kill me to be in this business and not get to ride.

I echo the recumbent idea, at least try it, you may like it.

So sorry, dude, I hope you find some way to get relief and ride at the same time.


Yes(time for relief), and yes(in the industry).

And the problem is most Uros say it's in my head. Which it's not. And i haven't gotten better. I've narrowed things down over the years and it kind of helps but their answer is more drugs or surgery. And surgery is how i got into this place and drugs don't work. So I end up waiting and hoping.

As for the industry thing, Yep, I am. And it sucks huge! I also live in a pretty active town on the lake with a ton of cyclists. So I see people all the time and am pretty pissed all day long.

Add into it all the bikes I have, the new NAHBS winner and all the people I want to go ride with, it really really sucks being in the industry and not being able to ride for 4 years.

So I am glad I am trying or closer to trying now. But I need to figure out some long term relief.

fiamme red
07-04-2017, 07:47 PM
Elliptigo, perhaps?

http://www.elliptigo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/11/PBP-ALAN-THUMBS-UP.jpg

bmeryman
07-04-2017, 07:49 PM
Well, Onyx hubs are quiet. That's a solution to one of your problems. I've been loving it on my singlespeed.

weisan
07-04-2017, 08:01 PM
forget it, sales pal...you should just stick to sales.

R3awak3n
07-04-2017, 08:01 PM
I also hate the CK sound, pretty hubs but man that sound just gets on my nerves and I like a super loud hub ala campy

sales guy
07-04-2017, 08:36 PM
Elliptigo, perhaps?

http://www.elliptigo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/11/PBP-ALAN-THUMBS-UP.jpg

I would still be moving my legs which can bump up against the plums which would cause pain. So this is a no as well.

forget it, sales pal...you should just stick to sales.

I still do sales. But I miss riding horribly. And it kills me to see people out having fun riding while I couldn't. So i gave in. And like I said, i have narrowed things down a bit more problem wise.

I also hate the CK sound, pretty hubs but man that sound just gets on my nerves and I like a super loud hub ala campy

Yeah, they are annoying. Especially given I am super out of shape and can't pedal 100% of the time. That and trying to not bump the plums. So it's even worse.

I need something quieter and something I don't have to hear a turbine winding down every time I hit the brakes. The textured braking surface sucks. I mean, REALLY sucks. I'm thinking a set of SHamal Mille wheels. The color would work well. The wheels are excellent. No shifting issues. Great braking. No heat issues blowing out tires while going down a hill. Super durable. All pluses. I don't mind the added weight.

veggieburger
07-04-2017, 08:44 PM
I'm so sorry you're going through this. Wish I could help, or knew someone who could help. Will pray for the plums tonight. :banana:

sales guy
07-04-2017, 08:52 PM
I'm so sorry you're going through this. Wish I could help, or knew someone who could help. Will pray for the plums tonight. :banana:

My wife doesn't even do that! lol! She still thinks I am fine and pretty much doesn't care what's going on.

Thanks tho. I don't wish this on anyone. Ok, well maybe the Orange one could do with some constant pain. But still, It's pretty f'ed up. Not a lot of fun feeling like you're being kicked there all day long.

Stevemikesteve
07-04-2017, 09:06 PM
And the problem is most Uros say it's in my head.

I feel for ya, sincerely hope you get this sorted and get riding again. If docs aren't seeing anything structurally wrong (I didn't dig too deep in the thread so if I'm missing something here then sorry) and say it could be psychosomatic might not hurt to look into tension myositis syndrome, the work of Dr. John Sarno. The pain itself is absolutely real but sometimes the cause of the pain isn't physical. A lot more to this concept though, could be worth a look. Hope you get this turned around.

jghall
07-04-2017, 10:05 PM
Hey Michael,
Happy to hear you're trying. As you know "baby steps". Know it's in your soul, like many of us, so hope you get enough enjoyment and "relief" to continue.

Being a bit harsh on the Kings though, some like the "buzz". :)

Take care.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 11:00 PM
Hey Michael,
Happy to hear you're trying. As you know "baby steps". Know it's in your soul, like many of us, so hope you get enough enjoyment and "relief" to continue.

Being a bit harsh on the Kings though, some like the "buzz". :)

Take care.


Some people do. It's not just the buzz, but also the brake noise. So you have the buzz and then hitting the brakes gives you a turbine like noise.

I will say, the road hubs are not as loud as the mountain hubs. So that's a plus. But i'd still rather just get a set of Shamals and put these away for shows.
I'm looking forward to my next project bike for NAHBS Hartford. That way this one getting damaged won't be so horrible. But my Exemplar still needs to look good for now. I loan it to shops. Can't having it look like garbage.

sales guy
07-04-2017, 11:10 PM
I feel for ya, sincerely hope you get this sorted and get riding again. If docs aren't seeing anything structurally wrong (I didn't dig too deep in the thread so if I'm missing something here then sorry) and say it could be psychosomatic might not hurt to look into tension myositis syndrome, the work of Dr. John Sarno. The pain itself is absolutely real but sometimes the cause of the pain isn't physical. A lot more to this concept though, could be worth a look. Hope you get this turned around.


The problem is there are reasons for PVPS. But doctors don't want to admit to it cause vasectomies are money makers for them. And if they admit PVPS is real, then they can be sued. of all the urologists i've met, 26 of them, only 6 have admitted PVPS is real. Everyone else says it's in your head, or you have prostatitis or that you have a low grade infection or that you just need time to heal or that you must've done something. It's always someone else fault.

Before my vas I was healthy and had zero pain. I was riding, playing soccer a couple times a week. Mountain biking, doing triathlons and duathlons. I was active. Afterwards it was all gone. I never stopped being in pain. And I think there are specific reasons for it. Part of it is the Uro who did it and part based on my superpower.

Most doctors want to prescribe something vs even talking about PVPS. And I don't think it's in my head. Cause like right now this second, I am at like a 0 to 1 on the pain scale. And other times, in the middle of the night I could be dead asleep and get woken up by pain. So I don't think it's mental.

I'm not opposed to researching things. Hell, that's all i've done for 4 years! I'd go to a hypnotherapist if I thought it'd work.

bshell
07-04-2017, 11:52 PM
Forgive the thread drift...I was considering plunking down for these wheels. I did a test ride and felt like the braking was *dramatically* improved over smooth carbon. Close to as good as aluminum (I know, I know).

doomridesout
07-05-2017, 12:02 AM
Man, I've never heard this whole story but I feel for ya-- I left the industry out of the fear that something would sideline me from the bike and leave me working with something I used to love that I couldn't do any more. There but for the grace of god go I...

Good vibes headed your way, I hope a ride or two helps your mental state. And ditch the Enve wheels if you're not feeling 'em.

Gothard
07-05-2017, 02:41 AM
After 4 years of pain, I'd have that left one lopped off in a NY minute. Still have another.

SoCalSteve
07-05-2017, 10:46 AM
Forgive the thread drift...I was considering plunking down for these wheels. I did a test ride and felt like the braking was *dramatically* improved over smooth carbon. Close to as good as aluminum (I know, I know).

Yes, better braking, but very noisy. Even with the newer brake pads that ENVE sent me gratis. Still noisy.

steamer
07-05-2017, 11:01 AM
still pressure cause the leg bumps the junk and that causes pain. I end up walking funny do to not wanting to bump things. Sitting, standing, walking, running, everything that bumps or brushes against the junk causes pain. Left side only tho.

What were you wearing when you gave bents a try? While I do not have your problem, I do ride recumbents quite a bit, and to prevent chafing issues on the side of my scrotum (which any type of cycling, or even walking, can produce), I have evolved to wearing wicking type underwear which have a sort of jock strap type pouch in front. This lifts the boyz up and out of the way of my legs, so there is essentially no contact between the testicles and legs. They have to fit just right, though. Too loose and the boyz hang down. Too tight and the underwear won't say up and in place.

summilux
07-05-2017, 11:09 AM
If the shorts are the worst part for you; just ride in regular shorts.

My wife and I tour in (Gasp!) MTB shorts. No need for lycra if it hurts ya.

sales guy
07-05-2017, 01:10 PM
What were you wearing when you gave bents a try? While I do not have your problem, I do ride recumbents quite a bit, and to prevent chafing issues on the side of my scrotum (which any type of cycling, or even walking, can produce), I have evolved to wearing wicking type underwear which have a sort of jock strap type pouch in front. This lifts the boyz up and out of the way of my legs, so there is essentially no contact between the testicles and legs. They have to fit just right, though. Too loose and the boyz hang down. Too tight and the underwear won't say up and in place.

My wife and I tour in (Gasp!) MTB shorts. No need for lycra if it hurts ya.


The issues with jock strap is the same as a pair of lycra shorts. It's still smashing the junk. Yeah, it keeps things out of the way, but there is still pressure on them.

With a pair of regular shirts things get bumped around and that leads to issues.

I am hoping the Kuku pouch ones help but shifting things a bit. If not, I guess I just deal with it so I can ride.

oldguy00
07-05-2017, 02:00 PM
Sales-guy - if some of them are recommending a reversal, what reason did they give? What did they say is causing the pain, that a reversal would cure? Do they think it is a blockage/infection of some sort where the tubes are clamped?

I don't doubt you've researched it to death, but yeah, after this long and so many docs, hard to believe none of them have offered a theory and treatment!

Also, when they say the orchiectomy is only 20% success rate........success of what?? Reversing vasectomy related pain? Seems odd they'd have a 'success rate' for something that most of them say is in your head!
But yeah, if it is ruining your life, I'd consider doing it as well, go on HRT after to replace the testosterone.

sales guy
07-05-2017, 03:02 PM
Sales-guy - if some of them are recommending a reversal, what reason did they give? What did they say is causing the pain, that a reversal would cure? Do they think it is a blockage/infection of some sort where the tubes are clamped?

I don't doubt you've researched it to death, but yeah, after this long and so many docs, hard to believe none of them have offered a theory and treatment!

Also, when they say the orchiectomy is only 20% success rate........success of what?? Reversing vasectomy related pain? Seems odd they'd have a 'success rate' for something that most of them say is in your head!
But yeah, if it is ruining your life, I'd consider doing it as well, go on HRT after to replace the testosterone.


So i'll start at the top and answer down.

There are two types of pain that doctors usually say is related to PVPS. Congestion and Nerve. Nerve, easy to figure out. Many times a nerve drug will fix things. Denervation is an other option. They literally remove the nerves that head down there. Problem with Denervation is they can and do grow back many times and you can end up having worse pain.

Congestion is related to the tubes filling with sperm and fluid and causing pain. It's like taking a garden hose and kinking it. The water is still there. It wants to go somewhere and it can lead to the hose bursting. Which can and has happened to some men.

Given my pain type, and that nerve drugs haven't worked, AND I have a pretty good sized sperm granuloma, they believe it's congestion pain.

So a reversal would open the tubes and allow things to flow again. Which in theory eliminates the pain. BUT, you have three months of down time as it's micro-surgery and last anywhere from 5 to 8 hours depending on how much scar tissue has formed, size of granulomas or depending on the way the original dr did the vas.

Also, you have to keep the tubes open. Which requires "servicing" things. Considering it's been over 4 years for my wife and I and that's not changing any time soon, that means a different option. And that's tough with little kids. YES, WAAAAY too much information. But you asked the questions.

So I most likely have congestion pain. That's what they think. A reversal is a 50/50 option. For denervation, Orchiectomy and Epididymectomy, they show an at best, 20% chance of a cure or some sort of change. So it could be worse, could be better. Could be slightly worse or slightly better. You don't know till you do it. And every time you get opened up, there is always a chance of more complications and of course more downtime for recovery.

Also I know some men who have had 1 or more of those things done and are still in pain. So I am fearful of doing anything given they all have their own issues. And even after a reversal, there is no guarantee it will take or "cure" things.

As for HRT, many times after a vasectomy you need HRT anyways. I've had my numbers checked, and I am on the low side. To the point if it keeps dropping, my GP wants to put me on HRT shots. Which leads to a whole series of other issues.

So that's a relatively quick run down of things. And I could go on and on. But in the end I worry i'll have a surgery and end up on the down side. And I don't have 3 months to handle recovery.

oldguy00
07-07-2017, 08:15 AM
Obviously I don't know everything about your personal and work life, but it sounds like this issue is ruining your life... I'd do the reversal and figure out the 3 months recovery. As for keeping things serviced, I dunno, lock yourself in a bathroom at night!
These seem like better options than accepting being in pain the rest of your life!

rodcad
07-07-2017, 09:26 AM
try a recumbent? Better than not riding at all I'd think tho I've never tried it.

oldpotatoe
07-07-2017, 09:31 AM
The right side is fine. It's the left that has pressure issues. And trying shorts on kind of solidified that.

I've been to 26 different Uros now. Including at the Mayo Clinic which is #1 for Uro in the US. Been to the head of the Cleveland Clinic Uro Dept- #12 in the US for Uro. As well as to the guy who did the very first reversal who's in St Louis. That guy was a JA and didn't even want to see me. ONLY if I wanted a reversal for procreation. NOT, for PVPS. At first they wouldn't even take my appointment. So I kind of sort of fibbed so I could see him.

Also seen a specialist in AZ and one in FL. Both used many times for reversals for PVPS.

Everyone basically says I need a reversal. But that's not a guarantee. And it's 3 months of down time which I can't do.

26 uros- including the head of the Mayo Clinic Uro Dept and head of the Cleveland Clinic Uro Dept.
6 pain management people
3 chiropractors
3 accupuncturists
2 yoga places- for stretching and strengthening my pelvic floor
5 ultra sound techs/ultrasounds
4 mri's
3 CT scans- with and without contrast
62 different drugs or drug cocktails including injections directly into the spermatic cord with two types of numbing drugs. One immediate, one long lasting.

I've wasted an absolute buttload on this for the last 4 years.

10-4..I guess you've done the 'get a second opinion route'....

sales guy
07-07-2017, 09:50 AM
10-4..I guess you've done the 'get a second opinion route'....


Lol! Oh yeah. It's funny how they all kind of agree that I need a reversal but won't actually say that my vasectomy caused the pain. They're all covering their, or each other's butts.

I've had a bunch of people say I should sue. No one will touch the case. Not even my personal attorney! It's just so tough to prove and win on they say. Unless it's a billion percent provable that he screwed up, like I went in with two nuts and walked out with none when that's not why I went it, that I would never win.
And I don't want to sue. Cause it won't make anything better.

Nags&Ducs
07-07-2017, 09:52 AM
I actually been having ball pain this past few weeks so I know how you feel (well kind of). I get it once in a while and it blows.. Not really sure what the deal is. I have gone to the urologist of course because it freaked me out. Got a ultrasound, he said not problems. Said it was something, I am blanking out, that a lot of people have it, specially active people. It always goes away and then its fine for a long time.

So I understand where you come from but its even worst for you because its all year long. But I say definitely don't give up on it. What about ridding with normal shorts instead? There are also shorts that compress more than others.

I think it's called blue balls??? :D

batman1425
07-07-2017, 10:34 AM
Lol! Oh yeah. It's funny how they all kind of agree that I need a reversal but won't actually say that my vasectomy caused the pain. They're all covering their, or each other's butts.



I've had a bunch of people say I should sue. No one will touch the case. Not even my personal attorney! It's just so tough to prove and win on they say. Unless it's a billion percent provable that he screwed up, like I went in with two nuts and walked out with none when that's not why I went it, that I would never win.

And I don't want to sue. Cause it won't make anything better.



Really sorry to hear about your struggles. I get the fear of making things worse when already living in chronic but also unpredictable pain.

I'll offer this up... after 4 years, I think the likelihood of spontaneous resolution at this point is low. You've explored most, if not all of the conservative options with little success. I, like you, always prefer conservative therapy as opposed to surgery. It sounds to me that you know what the next logical choice is - the reversal - but the risk of a worse outcome is what is stopping you, which is fair given your current experience.

To me, you face the choice of continuing to live with your current levels pain, or accepting the risks associated with the surgical option and rolling the dice which only you can decide when is best to take that step. I don't think that holding out longer will fix things, unless you believe there will be better surgical or conservative options available in the near future.

To your point about negative outcomes and lack of ownership on the physicians part... obviously, some people don't want to admit ownership of mistakes. That said, and I could be wrong, but I would find it hard to believe that there is a pervasive field wide denial that this problem exists. Complications are a risk with any therapy, surgical or otherwise. It really sucks that his happened to you, but a quick literature search suggests that negative outcomes as severe as yours are rare, only 1-2%, which may be why some docs are not supportive. Consider, with complication rates that low, some physicians may only see a case or two a year compared to hundreds of successes. Some may not see any across a few year span. Events that are low occurrence are poorly studied so they may be biased from that perspective. I don't mean this to minimize the impact or importance of YOUR pain at all. I've had people tell me my chronic knee pain was in my head after 3 docs and 2 MRIs. Later surgical intervention found a rare structural problem that was the source. I totally get it. But things that are rare or not obviously explained can stump even really good docs and they fall back on the numbers. Again, not trying to minimize your situation at all or defend the care you have received so far, only hoping to provide a different perspective for why you have struggled to find support from your providers.

To be clear, from my non-physician perspective, I think you are doing all the right things, but IMO you are at a crossroads. In your shoes, I would go back through that list of 26 Uros and talk to a few that listened best, were bright, respected in their particular institutions, and have some frank discussions about a surgical options. Find a doc that buys in to your concerns and is committed to finding a resolution to a problem with no clear answer.

I truly wish you the best of luck and a speedy resolution.



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sales guy
07-07-2017, 10:50 AM
Really sorry to hear about your struggles. I get the fear of making things worse when already living in chronic but also unpredictable pain.

I'll offer this up... after 4 years, I think the likelihood of spontaneous resolution at this point is low. You've explored most, if not all of the conservative options with little success. I, like you, always prefer conservative therapy as opposed to surgery. It sounds to me that you know what the next logical choice is - the reversal - but the risk of a worse outcome is what is stopping you, which is fair given your current experience.

To me, you face the choice of continuing to live with your current levels pain, or accepting the risks associated with the surgical option and rolling the dice which only you can decide when is best to take that step. I don't think that holding out longer will fix things, unless you believe there will be better surgical or conservative options available in the near future.

To your point about negative outcomes and lack of ownership on the physicians part... obviously, some people don't want to admit ownership of mistakes. That said, and I could be wrong, but I would find it hard to believe that there is a pervasive field wide denial that this problem exists. Complications are a risk with any therapy, surgical or otherwise. It really sucks that his happened to you, but a quick literature search suggests that negative outcomes as severe as yours are rare, only 1-2%, which may be why some docs are not supportive. Consider, with complication rates that low, some physicians may only see a case or two a year compared to hundreds of successes. Some may not see any across a few year span. Events that are low occurrence are poorly studied so they may be biased from that perspective. I don't mean this to minimize the impact or importance of YOUR pain at all. I've had people tell me my chronic knee pain was in my head after 3 docs and 2 MRIs. Later surgical intervention found a rare structural problem that was the source. I totally get it. But things that are rare or not obviously explained can stump even really good docs and they fall back on the numbers. Again, not trying to minimize your situation at all or defend the care you have received so far, only hoping to provide a different perspective for why you have struggled to find support from your providers.

To be clear, from my non-physician perspective, I think you are doing all the right things, but IMO you are at a crossroads. In your shoes, I would go back through that list of 26 Uros and talk to a few that listened best, were bright, respected in their particular institutions, and have some frank discussions about a surgical options. Find a doc that buys in to your concerns and is committed to finding a resolution to a problem with no clear answer.

I truly wish you the best of luck and a speedy resolution.



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I understand your points and thoughts on it. I've had them. Done the pros and cons list and everything.

Another issue to this whole thing is the lack of support at home for a reversal. My wife still insists I am fine cause her dad had one and is fine. Which is funny cause her dad is far from healthy and pain free. And he's terrified of doctors so he doesn't go to one, like ever!

So my wife and her lack of acceptance in this issue is made worse when she found out the reversal is $15,000 and is not covered by insurance. She said absolutely not. She likes to have things both ways. Her comment was we aren't paying 15 grand for something that might not help. YET, she still insists I am fine! She loves to have both. She doesn't get the one or the other thing. At least with me. It's like her telling me pick what's for dinner and after 27 things mentioned, she picks the first one! And yes, this actually happened. And more than once.

Since I travel for work and have small kids, recovery would be tough. And as I said, I have a lack of support system at home. So the chance of my being able to actually take three months and rest like i would be instructed, slim to none chance of it.

I know it might seem like i'm throwing out excuses. It's just the reality I face at home.

rodcad
07-07-2017, 10:59 AM
I think your wife needs a seriously good sit down chat to get better educated about what your going through. If she doesn't "get it" from you then have her talk to as many docs as needed until she does get it. Or give her a good kick in the crotch every time you walk by her and see how she likes it :) Maybe then she'll get it.

Best of luck in your decisions.

batman1425
07-07-2017, 11:01 AM
I understand your points and thoughts on it. I've had them. Done the pros and cons list and everything.



Another issue to this whole thing is the lack of support at home for a reversal. My wife still insists I am fine cause her dad had one and is fine. Which is funny cause her dad is far from healthy and pain free. And he's terrified of doctors so he doesn't go to one, like ever!



So my wife and her lack of acceptance in this issue is made worse when she found out the reversal is $15,000 and is not covered by insurance. She said absolutely not. She likes to have things both ways. Her comment was we aren't paying 15 grand for something that might not help. YET, she still insists I am fine! She loves to have both. She doesn't get the one or the other thing. At least with me. It's like her telling me pick what's for dinner and after 27 things mentioned, she picks the first one! And yes, this actually happened. And more than once.



Since I travel for work and have small kids, recovery would be tough. And as I said, I have a lack of support system at home. So the chance of my being able to actually take three months and rest like i would be instructed, slim to none chance of it.



I know it might seem like i'm throwing out excuses. It's just the reality I face at home.



Completely understand. Is step one having a frank discussion at home about how much this is impacting your happiness and well being and the support you need to tackle these issues?

It sounds like you've done a great job compensating thus far but how much longer can you realistically keep that up before it gets the better of you and begins to take a toll on your family, friends, work, etc? Probably nothing new with this comment, but you have to be happy and healthy to be able to contribute to the other important parts of your life at your best.

IMO, no one deserve to live in true chronic pain and folks that haven't experienced it can have a hard time appreciating the grinding effect is has.




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sales guy
07-07-2017, 11:35 AM
I think your wife needs a seriously good sit down chat to get better educated about what your going through. If she doesn't "get it" from you then have her talk to as many docs as needed until she does get it. Or give her a good kick in the crotch every time you walk by her and see how she likes it :) Maybe then she'll get it.

Best of luck in your decisions.


LOL!!! I've joked about that to her. And asked her if she'd like to feel what i go thru on a daily basis. She usually gets pissed and walks away.

My wife has never been to a single doctors appointment over this for the last 4 years. None. I have told her when I am going to them and asked her if she wants to go. Her answer is usually she's busy with work or just no. When I am in pain, like more than normal, she will walk out of the room so she doesn't have to deal with it/me.

I get not only the pain of like being kicked there all day long, but also a taser like pain. Like literally someone takes a taser and zaps me there. It's totally random. Can last for a second or two or longer. I could be standing at the sink doing dishes and it will happen. Sleeping. What ever.

I've had more than one uro ask me how do i know what a taser feels like? I've told him I've touched live wires when putting in a new light or switch and know what that feels like. And it's way way worse. Not sure why, but I haven't had the zapping pain much lately. Who knows.



Completely understand. Is step one having a frank discussion at home about how much this is impacting your happiness and well being and the support you need to tackle these issues?

It sounds like you've done a great job compensating thus far but how much longer can you realistically keep that up before it gets the better of you and begins to take a toll on your family, friends, work, etc? Probably nothing new with this comment, but you have to be happy and healthy to be able to contribute to the other important parts of your life at your best.

IMO, no one deserve to live in true chronic pain and folks that haven't experienced it can have a hard time appreciating the grinding effect is has.

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Tried the discussion thing at home. She refuses to listen. Usually, she says she's busy, doesn't want to hear about it or just walks away. She's not very supportive in this and other ways. She's super A+ type personality and it wasn't an issue before kids. Now, after kids, it's like in overdrive and is really bad.

Agreed with the last thought. People don't get how bad it can be. How much it can mess with your life. In the end I just list it as it is what it is. I deal with things when they happen and move on day after day.

Gothard
07-07-2017, 12:19 PM
Refuses, denies, walks away, won't answer.
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You married her, why?

sales guy
07-07-2017, 12:38 PM
Refuses, denies, walks away, won't answer.
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You married her, why?


I never had a medical issue before when we were dating or before kids. Never had these kinds of issues/talks.

oldpotatoe
07-07-2017, 12:41 PM
I think your wife needs a seriously good sit down chat to get better educated about what your going through. If she doesn't "get it" from you then have her talk to as many docs as needed until she does get it. Or give her a good kick in the crotch every time you walk by her and see how she likes it :) Maybe then she'll get it.

Best of luck in your decisions.

As a paceline 'expert', I think the pain you have is only a symptom of perhaps other issues...'may' want to see a impartial 3rd party, like maybe a LCSW...but this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it...just a suggestion. I went thru something kinda similar in 1983/4/5. Mine an addiction to running...

sales guy
07-07-2017, 12:46 PM
As a paceline 'expert', I think the pain you have is only a symptom of perhaps other issues...'may' want to see a impartial 3rd party, like maybe a LCSW...but this advice is worth exactly what you paid for it...just a suggestion. I went thru something kinda similar in 1983/4/5. Mine an addiction to running...


I go see someone every 3 or 4 weeks. I need someone to vent to and get ideas from. He's suggested bringing her in.

Her answer: "I don't have a problem" "I love my life" "You are the problem" "I don't need to see someone"

The stupid thing is is her OB, the OB's brother is a doctor and had a vas to. And he's in massive pain over a year later. So it's not like I am the only one who's ever mentioned this in the history of the world.

oldpotatoe
07-07-2017, 12:56 PM
I go see someone every 3 or 4 weeks. I need someone to vent to and get ideas from. He's suggested bringing her in.

Her answer: "I don't have a problem" "I love my life" "You are the problem" "I don't need to see someone"

The stupid thing is is her OB, the OB's brother is a doctor and had a vas to. And he's in massive pain over a year later. So it's not like I am the only one who's ever mentioned this in the history of the world.

Again, cheap advice and probably preaching to choir but her responses speaks volumes, imho. But if she won't go talk to somebody( recommend another woman and alone, not as a couple)...she won't go but a shame to see(again very limited knowledge)..a potentially happy couple/family being unhappy. Worked for me and my wife, ultimate YMMV..

sales guy
07-07-2017, 01:02 PM
Again, cheap advice and probably preaching to choir but her responses speaks volumes, imho. But if she won't go talk to somebody( recommend another woman and alone, not as a couple)...she won't go but a shame to see(again very limited knowledge)..a potentially happy couple/family being unhappy. Worked for me and my wife, ultimate YMMV..


I've suggested a couple different things. Hell, my MIL even mentioned how bad my wife has been towards me. So that was interesting. My wife is just like her father I am viewing more and more. Not a good sign.

Who knows with everything. Hopefully something will change. Till then, I will wear the shorts I have and try and ride. I can't sit still anymore. It's killing me more and more every day. I can't stand seeing people out riding knowing I couldn't. So for the hell of it tried. Maybe the Assos shorts will help. Maybe miraculously I will win the lottery and or get better. I get to the point I try not to worry or think about it. Just it just makes me sad. And I'm tired of being/feeling that way with all of it.

rodcad
07-07-2017, 01:15 PM
It honestly sounds like you guys have developed communication problems since you had kids. One spouse not listening to the other over something like this is just nuts. Is she a stay at home mom? Perhaps she is resentful over having to take care of the kids more than you. Maybe she's having a mid-life crisis? Maybe she's having an affair? Probably extreme and not the case, but SOMETHING is going on here. If you don't get assertive and figure all this out you're gonna be a miserable SOB for the rest of your life. Your marriage will only decline further. You guys need some help. Both medically for you and counseling for the both of you.

I was married 32 years and we blew it. We quit communicating and eventually lost our marriage. It sucks and it's really costly. And you have kids. I met you at NAHBS and your way too young to be miserable for the rest of your life.

rodcad
07-07-2017, 01:22 PM
How about trying something like this? Don't wear shorts, let em hang....

AngryScientist
07-07-2017, 01:30 PM
here is my free "internet expert" advice. i re-read it and it sounds harsh, but it is given with the best intentions and hoping you find some relief for this situation:

it's time you put on your big boy pants and take some action. it sounds to me like you do complain a lot, and it sounds like you have good reason to complain, but the truth is, that complaining gets old to listen to.

you need to take positive proactive action. you are obviously not managing the pain well enough to have a decent quality of life. if the majority of docs are recommending a reversal, pick the very best one you can find and go get it done. make a plan that is realistic and workable, we can all find 3 weeks of relative downtime, period, especially for a medically necessary procedure.

consider that if you go out on your bike tomorrow, get hit by a fedex truck and break your arm, leg and 4 ribs - you're going to be on your ass for a few weeks recovering. you didnt get a choice in that scenario and IMO you dont have a choice in your current scenario. pull the trigger, go get the reversal and hope it solves the problem.

next: divorce your wife. pronto.

you live with a woman who is not your "life partner" in any definition of the phrase. she is not interested in your well being, mental health, sexual health, or apparently anything else. bye bye. time to move on.

keeping a marriage together for kids is - stupid. unless your kids are abnormally slow or heavily medicated, they pick up on the marriage problems you have and that crap effects them. consider the very important role a father has in raising children. like it or not, you are a role model and they take notice. someday, if your son or daugher is in a terrible relationship - would you want them to get out of it and look for a healthier relationship, or do what dad did and "stick it out". if you're in a craptastic marriage, the best thing you can do for your kids is to be a strong adult and make smart, rational decisions and show them that you've always got options.

i hope you at least consider that above, again, i hope it didnt come across as overly harsh, it's just the way i see things as an outsider.

veggieburger
07-07-2017, 01:38 PM
here is my free "internet expert" advice. i re-read it and it sounds harsh, but it is given with the best intentions and hoping you find some relief for this situation:

it's time you put on your big boy pants and take some action. it sounds to me like you do complain a lot, and it sounds like you have good reason to complain, but the truth is, that complaining gets old to listen to.

you need to take positive proactive action. you are obviously not managing the pain well enough to have a decent quality of life. if the majority of docs are recommending a reversal, pick the very best one you can find and go get it done. make a plan that is realistic and workable, we can all find 3 weeks of relative downtime, period, especially for a medically necessary procedure.

consider that if you go out on your bike tomorrow, get hit by a fedex truck and break your arm, leg and 4 ribs - you're going to be on your ass for a few weeks recovering. you didnt get a choice in that scenario and IMO you dont have a choice in your current scenario. pull the trigger, go get the reversal and hope it solves the problem.

next: divorce your wife. pronto.

you live with a woman who is not your "life partner" in any definition of the phrase. she is not interested in your well being, mental health, sexual health, or apparently anything else. bye bye. time to move on.

keeping a marriage together for kids is - stupid. unless your kids are abnormally slow or heavily medicated, they pick up on the marriage problems you have and that crap effects them. consider the very important role a father has in raising children. like it or not, you are a role model and they take notice. someday, if your son or daugher is in a terrible relationship - would you want them to get out of it and look for a healthier relationship, or do what dad did and "stick it out". if you're in a craptastic marriage, the best thing you can do for your kids is to be a strong adult and make smart, rational decisions and show them that you've always got options.

i hope you at least consider that above, again, i hope it didnt come across as overly harsh, it's just the way i see things as an outsider.

Hmm. I appreciate this advice. I like raw, naked heartfelt opinion...good on you for putting it out there. I'm not sure about the 'divorce your wife' part...there are certainly marital issues you need to attend to, and divorce may be down the road, but...well, I hope you can work things out.

But yeah. See a doc and get it opened up and operated on again. Doesn't sound like there's much else that's going to remedy it.

If there was a Go Fund Me page, I'd put some dollars towards your junk.

oldguy00
07-07-2017, 01:43 PM
here is my free "internet expert" advice. i re-read it and it sounds harsh, but it is given with the best intentions and hoping you find some relief for this situation:

it's time you put on your big boy pants and take some action. it sounds to me like you do complain a lot, and it sounds like you have good reason to complain, but the truth is, that complaining gets old to listen to.

you need to take positive proactive action. you are obviously not managing the pain well enough to have a decent quality of life. if the majority of docs are recommending a reversal, pick the very best one you can find and go get it done. make a plan that is realistic and workable, we can all find 3 weeks of relative downtime, period, especially for a medically necessary procedure.

consider that if you go out on your bike tomorrow, get hit by a fedex truck and break your arm, leg and 4 ribs - you're going to be on your ass for a few weeks recovering. you didnt get a choice in that scenario and IMO you dont have a choice in your current scenario. pull the trigger, go get the reversal and hope it solves the problem.

next: divorce your wife. pronto.

you live with a woman who is not your "life partner" in any definition of the phrase. she is not interested in your well being, mental health, sexual health, or apparently anything else. bye bye. time to move on.

keeping a marriage together for kids is - stupid. unless your kids are abnormally slow or heavily medicated, they pick up on the marriage problems you have and that crap effects them. consider the very important role a father has in raising children. like it or not, you are a role model and they take notice. someday, if your son or daugher is in a terrible relationship - would you want them to get out of it and look for a healthier relationship, or do what dad did and "stick it out". if you're in a craptastic marriage, the best thing you can do for your kids is to be a strong adult and make smart, rational decisions and show them that you've always got options.

i hope you at least consider that above, again, i hope it didnt come across as overly harsh, it's just the way i see things as an outsider.


So, really, yeah, what this guy said. Exactly.

And, I have kids as well. If I were in a situation as you described, I would have ended it long ago. Kids will adapt.

sales guy
07-07-2017, 01:52 PM
It honestly sounds like you guys have developed communication problems since you had kids. One spouse not listening to the other over something like this is just nuts. Is she a stay at home mom? Perhaps she is resentful over having to take care of the kids more than you. Maybe she's having a mid-life crisis? Maybe she's having an affair? Probably extreme and not the case, but SOMETHING is going on here. If you don't get assertive and figure all this out you're gonna be a miserable SOB for the rest of your life. Your marriage will only decline further. You guys need some help. Both medically for you and counseling for the both of you.

I was married 32 years and we blew it. We quit communicating and eventually lost our marriage. It sucks and it's really costly. And you have kids. I met you at NAHBS and your way too young to be miserable for the rest of your life.


We definitely have communication issues.
She works full time. I spend more time with the kids than she does. Actually, given the way my job is/was back when they were born, I stayed home with the kids mainly for the first 6 months. Her job is important to her and the company needs her. So she went back to work. I wasn't as thrilled given my kids were super colicky. So they were nightmares.

Are we heading for divorce, who knows. Is she cheating, doubtful but honestly I don't care anymore. I'm already super detached from the 'us' thing it's a whatever now. And given her lack of support it doesn't get better.

Yep, too young to be miserable AND unable to do things or be unhealthy. And it's not like I am eating badly or anything. I just can't do as much as i'd like to. I used to be 6'3 and 180-190 pounds. I am way past that sadly and unless I can get active again it's gonna be tough.

And the saddle isn't the issue. It's the pressure in general and right now it's from the bike shorts. When not wearing bike shorts it's from the bumping of things.

oldguy00
07-07-2017, 01:58 PM
...I'm already super detached from the 'us' thing it's a whatever now. And given her lack of support it doesn't get better.

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Then what are you still there for??? Is it a financial issue? I guess I can understand that.....but otherwise......
Anyway, hope you make some decisions for YOU soon.

sales guy
07-07-2017, 02:08 PM
here is my free "internet expert" advice. i re-read it and it sounds harsh, but it is given with the best intentions and hoping you find some relief for this situation:

it's time you put on your big boy pants and take some action. it sounds to me like you do complain a lot, and it sounds like you have good reason to complain, but the truth is, that complaining gets old to listen to.

you need to take positive proactive action. you are obviously not managing the pain well enough to have a decent quality of life. if the majority of docs are recommending a reversal, pick the very best one you can find and go get it done. make a plan that is realistic and workable, we can all find 3 weeks of relative downtime, period, especially for a medically necessary procedure.

consider that if you go out on your bike tomorrow, get hit by a fedex truck and break your arm, leg and 4 ribs - you're going to be on your ass for a few weeks recovering. you didnt get a choice in that scenario and IMO you dont have a choice in your current scenario. pull the trigger, go get the reversal and hope it solves the problem.

next: divorce your wife. pronto.

you live with a woman who is not your "life partner" in any definition of the phrase. she is not interested in your well being, mental health, sexual health, or apparently anything else. bye bye. time to move on.

keeping a marriage together for kids is - stupid. unless your kids are abnormally slow or heavily medicated, they pick up on the marriage problems you have and that crap effects them. consider the very important role a father has in raising children. like it or not, you are a role model and they take notice. someday, if your son or daugher is in a terrible relationship - would you want them to get out of it and look for a healthier relationship, or do what dad did and "stick it out". if you're in a craptastic marriage, the best thing you can do for your kids is to be a strong adult and make smart, rational decisions and show them that you've always got options.

i hope you at least consider that above, again, i hope it didnt come across as overly harsh, it's just the way i see things as an outsider.

I think I am waiting till my oldest is out of the house. She has 2 years of high school left. Kind of waiting for that more than anything. If I left now, my ex would make a mess of her schooling and everything so this way if I stay, she can finish in a good school and then off to college.

And a reversal is 3 months of down time. Not 3 weeks. 3 weeks with no activity/no lifting. 3 weeks of no more than 20 pounds/light activity like walking. 3 weeks of 50 pounds and resuming of more normal activities. after that, it's full resumption of activities and lifting. IF it works and you aren't in pain still.

I don't mind the divorcing part. I know kids bounce back and all. My oldest has and she's doing well in school.

Hmm. I appreciate this advice. I like raw, naked heartfelt opinion...good on you for putting it out there. I'm not sure about the 'divorce your wife' part...there are certainly marital issues you need to attend to, and divorce may be down the road, but...well, I hope you can work things out.

But yeah. See a doc and get it opened up and operated on again. Doesn't sound like there's much else that's going to remedy it.

If there was a Go Fund Me page, I'd put some dollars towards your junk.

That's funny! Cause there is a guy who had one and his 11 yr old daughter started a go fund me so he could get a reversal.

So, really, yeah, what this guy said. Exactly.

And, I have kids as well. If I were in a situation as you described, I would have ended it long ago. Kids will adapt.

I think I am waiting till my oldest is out of the house. She has 2 years of high school left. Kind of waiting for that more than anything. If I left now, my ex would make a mess of her schooling and everything so this way if I stay, she can finish in a good school and then off to college.

Then what are you still there for??? Is it a financial issue? I guess I can understand that.....but otherwise......
Anyway, hope you make some decisions for YOU soon.

Same as above. I think it's really till my oldest gets out of the house.

rodcad
07-07-2017, 02:28 PM
Well then sadly it sounds like you guys have given up on your marriage and the writing is on the wall. If that is truly the case then I'd highly recommend you get your affairs in order so you can take care of you, both pre and post divorce. Divorce can be crippling financially. Lawyers alone will kill you ($40k in my case). Get a good one. Start the looking into and planning now. Knowledge is power. I went through 3 lawyers in mine. First one said "oh you can't quit your business, that's a major no-no". I fired him. Second one was supposedly a great lawyer, buy his interests were in making money, not me. Third was a young, green lawyer who worked his ass off for me and what I wanted. Best advice I got "live the life you want to live and if we have to go to court to fight for it we will". No more 80 hour work weeks so I could pay my ex $100k a year. Screw that. I support her very well but can now lead a normal life. You gotta look after you. Since she has been working you may very well make out ok, and if there's no child support involved you might be able to just split things up and both go on your merry way. Arbitration is cheap and easy on a simple divorce.

sales guy
07-23-2017, 08:00 PM
I'm kind of figuring things out a bit regarding pain and riding. I went on an organized ride today. Was off the back the whole time, but I was out. Ended up doing 40.32 miles. Only ridden 8 times in the last 4.5 years.

But I am figuring out where pain is. How it happens and how I am compensating for it.

Over the last like year and a half or 2 I've realized I am walking different. A different gate. All cause the left side is painful. So my leg kind of kicks out to avoid hitting things. While I pedal I do the same thing. And it causes my knee to kick out. Which leads to muscles getting sore that aren't normally used. And when I realize I am doing it, I try and kick the toptube. Which leads to more muscle pain. Cause I am fighting muscles not wanting to cause pain. So after a 40 mile ride, I feel like I rode 80.

It's weird that I am getting to know more about things while trying to ride and not commit harry carey. Or hari krishna. Either one.

Not sure what I am going to do to "fix"things. But it's clearly not getting better. And I can't keep screwing up my gate or muscles in trying to ride like this.

dpk501
07-24-2017, 12:23 AM
We definitely have communication issues.
She works full time. I spend more time with the kids than she does. Actually, given the way my job is/was back when they were born, I stayed home with the kids mainly for the first 6 months. Her job is important to her and the company needs her. So she went back to work. I wasn't as thrilled given my kids were super colicky. So they were nightmares.

Are we heading for divorce, who knows. Is she cheating, doubtful but honestly I don't care anymore. I'm already super detached from the 'us' thing it's a whatever now. And given her lack of support it doesn't get better.

Yep, too young to be miserable AND unable to do things or be unhealthy. And it's not like I am eating badly or anything. I just can't do as much as i'd like to. I used to be 6'3 and 180-190 pounds. I am way past that sadly and unless I can get active again it's gonna be tough.

And the saddle isn't the issue. It's the pressure in general and right now it's from the bike shorts. When not wearing bike shorts it's from the bumping of things.

I'm sorry you're going through this. I think there has been a lot of good advice here and as someone with chronic pain I feel badly for you.

This is meant to be a serious question. You mention the pouch and pressure. Have you considered a little tuck and tape and just regular shorts?

sales guy
07-24-2017, 08:19 AM
I'm sorry you're going through this. I think there has been a lot of good advice here and as someone with chronic pain I feel badly for you.

This is meant to be a serious question. You mention the pouch and pressure. Have you considered a little tuck and tape and just regular shorts?


It's the pressure in general on the left side. So tape or something to keep things out of the way would still put pressure on it. I've tried regular shorts and mountain baggies with a lighter bike short in it. The regular didn't put pressure but allowed things to get bumped more- more pain. The baggies with the liner- pain like normal bib shorts. With the added fidgeting with the baggie. I hate riding in baggies. Even off road. Always fidgeting cause the baggie isn't loose enough for my liking.

I think surgery of some kind is sadly in my future if I want this to end. And that's how I got in the place i'm in! So I don't like this idea But like I said, my trying to ride, it is helping me figure things out more.

dpk501
07-24-2017, 11:01 PM
It's the pressure in general on the left side. So tape or something to keep things out of the way would still put pressure on it. I've tried regular shorts and mountain baggies with a lighter bike short in it. The regular didn't put pressure but allowed things to get bumped more- more pain. The baggies with the liner- pain like normal bib shorts. With the added fidgeting with the baggie. I hate riding in baggies. Even off road. Always fidgeting cause the baggie isn't loose enough for my liking.

I think surgery of some kind is sadly in my future if I want this to end. And that's how I got in the place i'm in! So I don't like this idea But like I said, my trying to ride, it is helping me figure things out more.

Any relief with acupuncture or pelvic PT?I hope things work out for you. Pain is horrible to deal with and it wears you down mentally and physically. Try to keep the spirits up!

sales guy
07-24-2017, 11:04 PM
Any relief with acupuncture or pelvic PT?I hope things work out for you. Pain is horrible to deal with and it wears you down mentally and physically. Try to keep the spirits up!


Nope on both.