Pegoretti Paint

[tuscanyswe]

Today a customer came into the shop and unpacked a new pegoretti. I was very interested in this frame as they are idd very rare around these parts esp with ciavete paint and steel fork!

The paint looked very nice!
However at some places were dario had used (me assuming here..) a tool or the other end of a brush to smear and create sharp edges in the paint the clear coat had not fully compensated for the depth these marks from a tool had created. So one could feel the edge of the paint / clear when running your finger across these small "channels".

Have anyone else with a peg ciavete (guess this paint is where he would use it the most) experienced something similar?

These is more or less a non issue but interested to know regardless. One could not see this with the eye as these few places with this effect followed the paint job so does not seem like packing or other impact related issue.

Was a very nice frame. It dident have a model name either and the owner somehow dident know, just knew it was custom .)


Thx

[Tickdoc]

Sounds like part of the Italian charm.

[Blown Reek]

He is an Artist. And how dare you question the techniques of an Artist. Your pedestrian tastes can not fully appreciate all that goes into making such Art.

Now, if it wasn't a Pegoretti, one might think that you got a crap paint job. But since it's a Peg, it's as perfect as it should be.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/12/world/12Pineapple1/12Pineapple1-master768.jpg

Tell people it's art, and it's art.

[tuscanyswe]

Its not on the level to be a crap paint job regardless of who made the frame. It is however something i would ask about if the frame was mine. Im more interested to hear from ppl who have one than to start an argument about darios work. Ive read enough of those through the years .)

[OtayBW]

It dident have a model name either and the owner somehow dident know, just knew it was custom .)

I don't know about the paint scheme, but this ^ is the thing that really sounds odd to me....

[tuscanyswe]

I don't know about the paint scheme, but this ^ is the thing that really sounds odd to me....

Hehe yeah i was a bit surprised myself. But he has had it for over a year but never unpacked it.. WHAT!!! He seems like a real nice guy who had a daughter recently which i can presume put one or 2 plans on hold. He picked it up at Darios place after doing the fitting there if i understod him correctly.

[huck*this]

I have the Baci scheme not Ciavete but I have over spray of tiny black dots on the BB shell from when he painted the ST. I see it as a head nod to Hand Made and actually like it. To each there own. Brush stroke lines and especially the part where he just held down the spray paint can in one spot. He let it drip and to stop excessive drips made a line with maybe the end of a paint brush. All amazing stuff and one of the reasons to get a Peg.
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[cadence90]

@ tusacanyswe: this sounds like the direction Pegoretti has gone in, in recent years. I bet the frame is beautiful. You didn't take any photos?

:no::crap::confused::mad::eek::rolleyes::D

@ Blown Reek: to quote a line found on many Pegoretti frames: "You can do better."

@ huck*this: gorgeous frame, really nice.
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[thwart]

@ Blown Reek: to quote a line found on many Pegoretti frames: "You can do better."

One would guess he's never ridden a Peg, or he'd likely have a more benign view of Dario's work...

[colker]

He is an Artist. And how dare you question the techniques of an Artist. Your pedestrian tastes can not fully appreciate all that goes into making such Art.

Now, if it wasn't a Pegoretti, one might think that you got a crap paint job. But since it's a Peg, it's as perfect as it should be.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/05/12/world/12Pineapple1/12Pineapple1-master768.jpg

Tell people it's art, and it's art.

No , he is not an artist and I bet Dario would never say it.. Dario knows art. He brings his love of art into his job which is frame building and frame painting. This is fact. You could redo your argument based on it and even keep the irony.
As for accepting something on a Pego one would not accept on a less iconic frame i will argue that a handmade frame may imply imperfections while an industrial object made in batches looks asseptically flawless. Those imperfections on the handmade frame don´t compromise longevity or performance and makes it one of a kind.
Pegos are made to be ridden and looked at. BOth aspects carry a lot of personality. NOt everybody enjoys it but that´s part of the plan when you have style.

[Polyglot]

Dario painted my bike and he put quite a bit of thought into the paint job and executed it over a longer time frame (i.e. not all in one sitting) This is not common today. I am somewhat confused about the initial post as it is my understanding that Dario is not making many if any steel forks anymore, so is it possible this is a repaint or a very old stock frame? Was the Pegoretti name written out in full?

[tuscanyswe]

Dario painted my bike and he put quite a bit of thought into the paint job and executed it over a longer time frame (i.e. not all in one sitting) This is not common today. I am somewhat confused about the initial post as it is my understanding that Dario is not making many if any steel forks anymore, so is it possible this is a repaint or a very old stock frame? Was the Pegoretti name written out in full?

Yes said handmade and pegoretti maybe even dario can't remember on the chain stay.

The paint was definitely ciavete and i know what a steel fork looks like :)
It could however have been even older than the 1 year i took away from the discussion as the owner strangely wasn't super keen on discussing the ins and out of the meet with dario so i dident push the conversation either.

[Satellite]

Never cared for the Pegoretti art paint jobs. I personally wouldn't be happy with the uneven paint but I doubt there is much that can be done about it. I am surprised it wasn't filled in when clear coated. Assuming it is clear coated???

[veggieburger]

Never cared for the Pegoretti art paint jobs. I personally wouldn't be happy with the uneven paint...?

Same. Kind of an emperor's new clothes sort of situation IMO.

[thwart]

Kind of an emperor's new clothes sort of situation IMO.

Well, I'm seeing those robes. And they look darn good to me.

http://7169-presscdn-0-61.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/pegoretti-responsorium-4.jpg

http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2011/03/09/1/pegoretti_stainless_panel_600.jpg

https://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Pegoretti-custom-painted-road-bikes-music-theme02.jpg

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/519d313ee4b08f8c1231b360/5240537de4b02291e91eebee/52c9acaee4b0b674fecee1df/1423338822660/IMGP0770.jpg?format=1500w

http://7169-presscdn-0-61.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dario-pegoretti-33.jpg

http://racefietsblog.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Pegoretti-vorticist-paint.jpg

[colker]

Well, I'm seeing those robes. And they look darn good to me.

http://7169-presscdn-0-61.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dario-pegoretti-33.jpg


This is beautifull (YMMV) and top of the top when it comes to quality(undisputable).

[uber]

I am a huge Dario fan. Much of the discussions are related to his paint
schemes. If he didn't want that kind of attention, Dario probably would not
continue to delight us with them, but I think his ability to produce some of
the best riding frames dwarfs his painting abilities. I drank the Kool Aid. There is something great about how his frames ride. I apologize for hijacking the thread.

[chiasticon]

my take on his paint has been that I like some, don't like others. it's art, it's supposed to be polarizing.

[round]

I am a huge Dario fan. Much of the discussions are related to his paint
schemes. If he didn't want that kind of attention, Dario probably would not
continue ......
Not a bad idea....

[rallizes]

In the presence of greatness

[colker]

Not a bad idea....

Beleza pura.:)

[pjbaz]

I want a Pegoretti, and I'd absolutely go nuts to have a custom-painted one, but right now I just can't swing it. Some day I will either break down and order a new one or find a used one in my size ... why are all used Pegs SO big or small? LOL

[Blown Reek]

I want a Pegoretti, and I'd absolutely go nuts to have a custom-painted one, but right now I just can't swing it. Some day I will either break down and order a new one or find a used one in my size ... why are all used Pegs SO big or small? LOL

Expand your search to include Landshark. Those paint jobs are on par with Pegoretti paint jobs. Ford/GM, Paper/Plastic, Charmin/Cottonelle, Pegoretti/Landshark. If you think there's something magical about connecting metal tubes, you'll find any reason to think one's better than the other.

[colker]

Expand your search to include Landshark. Those paint jobs are on par with Pegoretti paint jobs. Ford/GM, Paper/Plastic, Charmin/Cottonelle, Pegoretti/Landshark. If you think there's something magical about connecting metal tubes, you'll find any reason to think one's better than the other.

Did you find any magic in bringing down what others find sublime? Did it make you wealthy? Happy? Or is it just because? Does it feel like you are smart?

[Big Dan]

Did you find any magic in bringing down what others find sublime? Did it make you wealthy? Happy? Or is it just because? Does it feel like you are smart?

Look yourself in the mirror.

[choke]

Count me as another fan of Dario's paint. My favorite is the Woodstock theme bike...it was posted on here but the pics were all on Photobucket so you can't see the full size ones. If you Google search images for 'Woodstock Pegoretti' you can still see the thumbnails though.

[veggieburger]

Well, I'm seeing those robes. And they look darn good to me.


Some are ok, some are atrocious. To each his/her own. Paint schemes are just so subjective...I don't care for the paint splattered look, but that certainly doesn't make me right. Raised edges though? That's another issue altogether.

[colker]

Look yourself in the mirror.

I am not the one bringing anyone´s tastes down.

[pjbaz]

Expand your search to include Landshark. Those paint jobs are on par with Pegoretti paint jobs. Ford/GM, Paper/Plastic, Charmin/Cottonelle, Pegoretti/Landshark. If you think there's something magical about connecting metal tubes, you'll find any reason to think one's better than the other.

My constant search includes Landshark but I'm currently after a Pegoretti, and not just because of the paint.

As for "magic" tube construction or my opinion of artisans I'm confident there is a difference based on many factors including how the tubes were joined. My personal experiences have shown me there is.

Of course, your dismissal of a framebuilder's skill makes me wonder if you'd consider a bike welded by me vs. one by a true frame builder to be the same. Again, I'm confident there would be substantial differences ... yet the tubes would all be welded so they're the same, right?

[Hilltopperny]

Dario builds a fine bicycle. If his ciavete schemes aren't your thing there are stock schemes as well. Throw a leg over one and you may see the light. Then again maybe not, but I am very happy to have two and don't really feel the need to buy another bike which is saying something.

[tuscanyswe]

Hmm this thread has taken a different direction, no surprise really i should have known .) Everything okay carry on downplaying or praising mr Dario its all okay in my book.

He makes a very nice looking ride imo! If i got the time i will try to take a sneak peak in the bag again and a pic or 2 tomorrow.

[I Want Sachs?]

Dario's painting: Half I like, and half I don't get and would not get.

However, I don't see the point of claiming emphatic dislikes. After all, I don't like red bikes and would never want one, but I am okay if someone else likes them.

As for raised edges, I am wondering whether this is like the texture on Van Gogh paintings.

[tuscanyswe]

Dario's painting: Half I like, and half I don't get and would not get.

However, I don't see the point of claiming emphatic dislikes. After all, I don't like red bikes and would never want one, but I am okay if someone else likes them.

As for raised edges, I am wondering whether this is like the texture on Van Gough paintings.

I will go to the sitting room and check?
Whats the deal with the texture on van gough for those not in the know?

[thwart]

... for newer forumites, our fellow Paceliner with the user name 'round' is indeed Mr. Pegoretti...

[I Want Sachs?]

I think texture is often used to create emphasis of the lines and the emotion. Also casts slight shadow line in the right light setting.

https://www.boundless.com/art-history/textbooks/boundless-art-history-textbook/thinking-and-talking-about-art-1/visual-elements-39/texture-249-5853/

[pdmtong]

However at some places were dario had used (me assuming here..) a tool or the other end of a brush to smear and create sharp edges in the paint the clear coat had not fully compensated for the depth these marks from a tool had created. So one could feel the edge of the paint / clear when running your finger across these small "channels". Have anyone else with a peg ciavete (guess this paint is where he would use it the most) experienced something similar?
There are some areas of my ciavete responsorium where the paint is "glopped on" and you can feel the paint edge. there are underside areas where it looks like a chip or dirt but it's paint. mine is a "simpler" paint job but dont be fooled. It looks like a 5yo could do it but the reality is they can't. is it for everyone? no. definitely no, I do like the idea the guy who made the bike painted the bike. and it doesn't look like any other bike.
If you think there's something magical about connecting metal tubes, you'll find any reason to think one's better than the other.
it all depends on who is the beholder, right?

While I dont think one can make a strong case for fabrication technique (TIG, lugged, fillet) making a pronounced impact on a resultant ride quality, it is certainly the case that tubing selection - type, diameter, butting, swaging, placement will affect the ride.

The stainless IF SSR 953 I had does not ride anything like the Stainless XcR Responsorium.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170703/3e6dbaf2557e279941a2f67ed8d790f0.jpg

[OtayBW]

Dario's painting: Half I like, and half I don't get and would not get.

However, I don't see the point of claiming emphatic dislikes. After all, I don't like red bikes and would never want one, but I am okay if someone else likes them.
Yeah - me, too. I've got a Responsorium with the green panels on black. Unidentifiable to most folks and I kind of like that. Many of the ciavete schemes are wicked awesome, but some are not my cup of tea at all. I'd be nervous to order one and getting pot luck....

Love the bike, though, whatever the flavor.

[sevencyclist]

There are some areas of my ciavete responsorium where the paint is "glopped on" and you can feel the paint edge. there are underside areas where it looks like a chip or dirt but it's paint. mine is a "simpler" paint job but dont be fooled. It looks like a 5yo could do it but the reality is they can't. is it for everyone? no. definitely no, I do like the idea the guy who made the bike painted the bike. and it doesn't look like any other bike.

it all depends on who is the beholder, right?

While I dont think one can make a strong case for fabrication technique (TIG, lugged, fillet) making a pronounced impact on a resultant ride quality, it is certainly the case that tubing selection - type, diameter, butting, swaging, placement will affect the ride.

The stainless IF SSR 953 I had does not ride anything like the Stainless XcR Responsorium.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170703/3e6dbaf2557e279941a2f67ed8d790f0.jpg

Looks great! Which bike in your stable is your favorite?

[Blown Reek]

I am not the one bringing anyone´s tastes down.

A fanboy finds absolute nothing lacking in the object of his desire's being. By definition, everything else is subpar.

and top of the top when it comes to quality(undisputable).

Yes. The quality of a Pegoretti is the pinnacle of frame building. The quality is indisputable. Much better than any other metal tubed bicycle, similarly constructed, because of the intangibility of Dario's work as a torch-and-filler rod slinger. And his paint jobs... his Paint Jobs! Heavens! I'm obviously too ignorantly pedestrian to appreciate such greatness.

Please, once again explain to me how a Pegoretti is the best bike out there. Better than them all, both in constructibility and aesthetics. I can't get my simple little mind around it. You see Pegoretti, I see Landshark. Both metal bikes, both with unique paint jobs, yet one is quantifiably better than the other. And the one that you choose seems to be on a plane higher than all others.

http://www.knuckletattoos.co.uk/content/uploads/2017/07/b102e3d07c51f064541547baec70674a_tattoo-1-520x342.png

Pegoretti for lyfe, bro.

[rallizes]

A fanboy finds absolute nothing lacking in the object of his desire's being. By definition, everything else is subpar.



Yes. The quality of a Pegoretti is the pinnacle of frame building. The quality is indisputable. Much better than any other metal tubed bicycle, similarly constructed, because of the intangibility of Dario's work as a torch-and-filler rod slinger. And his paint jobs... his Paint Jobs! Heavens! I'm obviously too ignorantly pedestrian to appreciate such greatness.

Please, once again explain to me how a Pegoretti is the best bike out there. Better than them all, both in constructibility and aesthetics. I can't get my simple little mind around it. You see Pegoretti, I see Landshark. Both metal bikes, both with unique paint jobs, yet one is quantifiably better than the other. And the one that you choose seems to be on a plane higher than all others.

http://www.knuckletattoos.co.uk/content/uploads/2017/07/b102e3d07c51f064541547baec70674a_tattoo-1-520x342.png

Pegoretti for lyfe, bro.

Lots of spare time?

[Blown Reek]

Lots of spare time?

Tons of it. But if you think that these posts take any more than a couple of minutes to write, you're mistaken.

[FlashUNC]

A Landshark won a Giro and a Pego won a Tour. Argue about which Grand Tour is the more impressive win instead.

[Blown Reek]

A Landshark won a Giro and a Pego won a Tour. Argue about which Grand Tour is the more impressive win instead.

Trek won seven in a row. Obviously that is the better bike.

[thwart]

Boy, I just hate it when someone deletes those all those posts about how much better a Peg is compared to a Landshark.

We are lucky to have so many great bike builders.

Best? Who knows.

Trek won seven in a row. Obviously that is the better bike.

Folks... please PM me to stop and take a few deep breaths if I go this far off the rails.

Please.

[pdmtong]

it would be interesting to crystal ball into the future and see how the world thinks about metal frames, and exactly what place the "older" builders (richard, dario, JPW) retain in the pantheon.

like many things [insert here] , someone told me once that the current view of said [things] will change once one or two more generations die off.

My peg is nice and I am glad I have it. BTW, those Bora 50 tubulars have gone back to my friend ... I roll on more pedestrian wheels.

best bike ever? for sure no. BUT, it is a really nice ride.

[colker]

A fanboy finds absolute nothing lacking in the object of his desire's being. By definition, everything else is subpar.



Yes. The quality of a Pegoretti is the pinnacle of frame building. The quality is indisputable. Much better than any other metal tubed bicycle, similarly constructed, because of the intangibility of Dario's work as a torch-and-filler rod slinger. And his paint jobs... his Paint Jobs! Heavens! I'm obviously too ignorantly pedestrian to appreciate such greatness.

Please, once again explain to me how a Pegoretti is the best bike out there. Better than them all, both in constructibility and aesthetics. I can't get my simple little mind around it. You see Pegoretti, I see Landshark. Both metal bikes, both with unique paint jobs, yet one is quantifiably better than the other. And the one that you choose seems to be on a plane higher than all others.

http://www.knuckletattoos.co.uk/content/uploads/2017/07/b102e3d07c51f064541547baec70674a_tattoo-1-520x342.png

Pegoretti for lyfe, bro.

Jebus..you really are on a crusade. Hey.. why not? If that´s how you get off, fine. Just don´t go creative on the meaning of my words and i let u write 100 posts fighting everyone who admires Pegoretti frames. :(

[merlincustom1]

Mods, this one seems done, reduced to flamethrowing.

[sonicCows]

A bunch of late-middle aged men (I say this not as charged but in that you're more likely to have a limited/privileged world view) who probably have not read academic critique are discussing art and the merits of texture and brush stroke :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Goes to the point that some members here love talking **** about what they don't know about

(ok I get that some of you might have this art background, but there's no doubt you're drowned out)

You can get a Peg in a single-color paint job if you want one...but cycling being a high end sport you should get whatever makes you happy and if Ciavete does that for you then that's great...it's no one's job to convince you to appreciate the aesthetics especially since they're so specific and subjective but you seem so outspoken in wanting to be heard and proven wrong

[veggieburger]

Mods, this one seems done, reduced to flamethrowing.

Yeah, I second this.

[OtayBW]

Goes to the point that some members here love talking **** about what they don't know aboutThat's the ironic thing about art: you're allowed to talk **** about it (good or bad) even if you don't 'know anything about it....

[Mzilliox]

That's the ironic thing about art: you're allowed to talk **** about it (good or bad) even if you don't 'know anything about it....

art is expression of the human condition, every human knows about art. we are art, art is us. Some folks understand art better than others, but as humans we all know it. That's why we can all speak of it. No Irony at all.

[OtayBW]

art is expression of the human condition, every human knows about art. we are art, art is us. Some folks understand art better than others, but as humans we all know it. That's why we can all speak of it. No Irony at all.
I was referring to the irony of the previous comment in the thread....

[martl]

because *i* like Ciavete it doesn't mean *you* have to.

[mmass]

As always in every forum (also in Italy) when there the word "pegoretti" came out plenty of "haters" and "lovers" open the keyboards

there are so many bikes out there, ready for the taste of everyone

everybody can choose the one he likes

sorry for my bad english

p.s. I have two Pego