Big George gets Skee-ROOed!

[BumbleBeeDave]

Unbelieveable Schumacher could get away with this . . .

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/10753.0.html

BBD

[Bruce K]

Why?

One could get paranoid and say that George is a Discovery rider and an American so for many that's enough to look the other way.

BK

[Keith A]

It certainly doesn't seem fair that Schumacher should be able to profit from taking out the current leader of the GC in the closing meters of a race -- whether it was on purpose or not. Sometimes, I do wonder if there is an anti-American bias from the UCI.

[Gothard]

So unfair. Reminds me of NAS(ty)Car racing...

Edit: Keith, you still wonder?? I don't. And I am not even American....

[Serpico]

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http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=20541
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[swoop]

look.. you go into the last stage with one second between you and losing and there are risks involved. yes it sucks.. but.. george should have had more time into everyone. there are no sure things.
the guy did come across into him... but george was only therre in the sprint because his lead was so small...
when you are winning a stage race by the skin of your teeth.. anything can happen. that's really the issue. i feel bad for george but i also feel bad for the kid that won. yes he came off his line.... but in a final sprint with that much on the line.. sh*t happens and it did.
that's sprinting, that's bike racing.
george needed a bigger gap coming into the last stage. that's the part of the race he could exert his control over. if i'm in a stage race and winning by a few seconds coming into the final sprint.. i'm worried.
it sucks. i feel bad for the dude.... but he lost.

[Ray]

It certainly doesn't seem fair that Schumacher should be able to profit from taking out the current leader of the GC in the closing meters of a race -- whether it was on purpose or not. Sometimes, I do wonder if there is an anti-American bias from the UCI.
Gotta disagree Keith. If it was intentional, then he obviously shouldn't be able to profit from it. But if he got forced off his line into George and couldn't realisitcally have avoided it, there's no way he should be punished for that. Bottom line - did Schumacher do anything wrong? If yes, penalize him. If not, don't. Is anyone accusing him of taking him down on purpose?

-Ray

[sspielman]

look.. you go into the last stage with one second between you and losing and there are risks involved. yes it sucks.. but.. george should have had more time into everyone. there are no sure things.
the guy did come across into him... but george was only therre in the sprint because his lead was so small...
when you are winning a stage race by the skin of your teeth.. anything can happen. that's really the issue. i feel bad for george but i also feel bad for the kid that won. yes he came off his line.... but in a final sprint with that much on the line.. sh*t happens and it did.
that's sprinting, that's bike racing.
george needed a bigger gap coming into the last stage. that's the part of the race he could exert his control over. if i'm in a stage race and winning by a few seconds coming into the final sprint.. i'm worried.
it sucks. i feel bad for the dude.... but he lost.

Live by the sword......

George has a bit of a rep for "hands-on" riding from what I have heard over the years....

[Keith A]

Gotta disagree Keith. If it was intentional, then he obviously shouldn't be able to profit from it. But if he got forced off his line into George and couldn't realisitcally have avoided it, there's no way he should be punished for that. Bottom line - did Schumacher do anything wrong? If yes, penalize him. If not, don't. Is anyone accusing him of taking him down on purpose?Actually, the more I have thought about this, there really doesn't seem to be any other fair solution than what was decided. That is assuming that Schumacher truly didn't do anything wrong.

George just can't seem to get a break :bike:

[72gmc]

just eliminate the time bonuses for stage finish. keep the stage results.

does schumacher lose his win? yes, but all evidence indicates he would not have won were it not for fan interference.

i don't think it matters who is involved or what nationality they are. intentional/unintentional, doesn't matter. the penalty for not holding a line should be at least partially borne by the offending sprinter.

[Kevan]

that is luck. George seems to be missing that portion.

[J.Greene]

look.. you go into the last stage with one second between you and losing and there are risks involved. yes it sucks.. but.. george should have had more time into everyone. there are no sure things.
the guy did come across into him... but george was only therre in the sprint because his lead was so small...
when you are winning a stage race by the skin of your teeth.. anything can happen. that's really the issue. i feel bad for george but i also feel bad for the kid that won. yes he came off his line.... but in a final sprint with that much on the line.. sh*t happens and it did.
that's sprinting, that's bike racing.
george needed a bigger gap coming into the last stage. that's the part of the race he could exert his control over. if i'm in a stage race and winning by a few seconds coming into the final sprint.. i'm worried.
it sucks. i feel bad for the dude.... but he lost.

Right on!!!!!!!!!

JG

[kestrel]

If Schumacher was bumped by the spectator and shoved into George, then the win is valid. If Schumacher moved right into George's path to avoid a spectator but made no contact with the spectator, then he should be relegated.

[Serpico]

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FYI

when this DUPLICATE thread was started, there was already a thread in progress with 35 posts that was over 24 hours old (and was current and being still being read/posted)

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=20541
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[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . maybe because I don't spend every second of every day on the forum and did not ssee the earlier thread? :confused:

Anyway . . . I wonder if the rules make any mention of judge's discretion? Deems like it's just not right for a rider to lose a whole stage race because a fan interfered, no matter what nationalities are involved.

BBD

[Serpico]

. . .

Anyway . . . I wonder if the rules make any mention of judge's discretion? Deems like it's just not right for a rider to lose a whole stage race because a fan interfered, no matter what nationalities are involved.

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I dunno, maybe you should post on the ORIGINAL still ongoing thread--maybe someone has an answer there for you.
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[swoop]

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FYI

when this DUPLICATE thread was started, there was already a thread in progress with 35 posts that was over 24 hours old (and was current and being still being read/posted)

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=20541
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yes, we are in peril. there can't be two threads about the same thing. danger. um, or can there be two threads, one a day older than the other? and can they both be about the same thing? *sticks pinky in mouth ala dr. evil.

i'm sure everything is gonna be just fine. or will it?

[oracle]

is it true that the human body cannot adequately process the gluten in wheat? i'm just asking because i cough alot after i eat bread....

[Serpico]

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btw, if anyone is interested--in 2007 Bumblebee is hosting his own Serotta Open House a couple of blocks from the official Serotta Open House--and when you mention this he will still keep hosting it and apparently not consider that even if he didn't originally know, that when he does find out, it's then proper etiquette continue on at the ORIGINAL venue.

:rolleyes:
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[Serpico]

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i'm sure everything is gonna be just fine. or will it?

we'll see, start some threads and I'll dupe them

[swoop]

in a parallel universe/thread does george not make moronic mistakes during the scary part of bike races?
and
if george wins a race and no one is there to hear it does it make sound?

[oracle]

in a parallel universe/thread does george not make moronic mistakes during the scary part of bike races?
and
if george wins a race and no one is there to hear it does it make sound?

and furthermore, can cosmetic surgery fix his legs???

[swoop]

hey, the other thread is sexier and less filling. when i read it i look taller.

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . Have I done something in particular to provoke this wrath? This tidal wave of bile couldn't simply be about my accidentally starting a duplicate thread, could it? If it is, then I think you have issues that go way beyond simply keeping track of two different threads on the same subject . . .

BTW, I will have free BumbleBeeBrew at MY open house! Stop by and have a comb or two! :beer:

BBD

[Sandy]

Does anyone here have video of the end of the race so that we could all see what actually occurred? I would certainly like to see it. Thanks.


Sandy

[72gmc]

even if we did, sandy, which thread would we post it in? and if i post contradicting thoughts in each thread, will i disappear?

where's dr. emmett brown...

[Jason E]

maybe he's sick of you

I am-


That is not nice or called for. It's also against the user agreement. How cowardly to not even have the balls to come on here with something useful and just bash someone.

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . willing to accept criticism if it's politely expressed. I'll be the first to admit I sometimes rub people the wrong way. But don't most of us at one time or another?

My starting a duplicate thread was purely unintentional. I had not seen the other thread. Just because I have the most posts doesn't mean I read EVERY friggin' thread on the Forum.

BBD

[Grant McLean]

. . . willing to accept criticism if it's politely expressed. I'll be the first to admit I sometimes rub people the wrong way. But don't most of us at one time or another?

My starting a duplicate thread was purely unintentional. I had not seen the other thread. Just because I have the most posts doesn't mean I read EVERY friggin' thread on the Forum.

BBD

Dave,

How ironic is it that you're having to defend yourself against unintentionally posting,
in a thread about a guy unintentionally causing a crash!

Maybe you did it on purpose?
Or were you swerving to avoid another thread about guns?

:)

g

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . you seem to be right. Well, as long as I have everyone hating me anyway, perhaps I should go ahead and go into politics . . . :rolleyes:

BBD

[obtuse]

. . . willing to accept criticism if it's politely expressed. I'll be the first to admit I sometimes rub people the wrong way. But don't most of us at one time or another?

My starting a duplicate thread was purely unintentional. I had not seen the other thread. Just because I have the most posts doesn't mean I read EVERY friggin' thread on the Forum.

BBD


yeah. what beeman said.

obtuse

[Fixed]

bro like him or not he is one of the best american bike racers ever .
imho
cheers

[Serpico]

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now I feel like a dcik

background--I posted some story on a political forum that was a duplicate and when another person complained I wrote it off as them being overly sensitive. Fast forward a couple of months and someone unintentionally dupe'd a thread I put up--gggRRR!!!! it is frustrating, especially if the dupe is newer and getting more traction/comments/views than the original.

nothing personal with anyone, I was just tryin' to point them to cees thread cuz' I know it's frustrating. and I do think it's good etiquette to link the dupe to the original and direct people there--once you realize it's a dupe--but yeah, everyone makes dupe mistakes

man, *** is wrong with me today :crap: I usually just lurk and read when I'm trying to kill time at work--now I'm all over givin' opinions and siht
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[catulle]

Roy, Roy Munson...?

[bcm119]

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now I feel like a dcik.

Don't buzz off just cuz you got stung by the beeman. Unless you're allergic its not a big deal.

[obtuse]

bro like him or not he is one of the best american bike racers ever .
imho
cheers

fixed-
allow me to liberally paraphrase in a humerous way your astute and correct comment:

bro like him or not he is one of the stupidest american bike racers ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not he has the biggest chin on an american bike racer ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not at least he the gumption to marry the podium girl after he knocked her up which is quite ethical for an american bike racer ever. imho cheers

bro like him or not he is one of the most handsome american bike racers ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not he shares his initials with his favorite illicit substance which is the funniest thing about an american bike racer ever.
imho cheers

obtuse

[obtuse]

Roy, Roy Munson...?

there are no more roy e. munson.

obtuse

[BumbleBeeDave]

fixed-
allow me to liberally paraphrase in a humerous way your astute and correct comment:

bro like him or not he is one of the stupidest american bike racers ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not he has the biggest chin on an american bike racer ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not at least he the gumption to marry the podium girl after he knocked her up which is quite ethical for an american bike racer ever. imho cheers

bro like him or not he is one of the most handsome american bike racers ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not he shares his initials with his favorite illicit substance which is the funniest thing about an american bike racer ever.
imho cheers

obtuse

He was talking about GEORGE?!? I thought he was talking about ME! :crap:

BBD

[Serpico]

*** is with the kinder, gentler obtuse?

[BumbleBeeDave]

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now I feel like a dcik

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Don't we all at times? No offense taken . . . :)

BBD

[Grant McLean]

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now I feel like a dcik...
man, *** is wrong with me today :crap: I usually just lurk and read when I'm trying to kill time at work--now I'm all over givin' opinions and siht
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Good recovery. I can respect you for just calling it like it is, no shame in that.
I wish more people could just say d'oh! "what was i thinking"... we can move
on, no harm, no foul. More damage is done trying to weasle out of something
that just isn't that big a deal.

Good for you. ( it says somthing about our society, that i feel like it needs
to be said!)


g

[obtuse]

He was talking about GEORGE?!? I thought he was talking about ME! :crap:

BBD

bro like him or not he is one of the best american flat tire getters ever .
imho
cheers

bro like him or not he is one of the best american photographers ever .
imho
cheers

bro like him or not he is one of the best dressed american ever .
imho
cheers

bro like him or not he is one of the best american serotta forum posters ever .
imho
cheers

[BumbleBeeDave]

. . . Our beloved JERK has been assimilated by the Warm & Fuzzy Pod People From Outer Space!

BBD

[JohnS]

bro like him or not he is one of the best american serotta forum posters ever .
imho
cheers
There's damning with faint praise if I ever heard it! :p

[obtuse]

Don't we all at times? No offense taken . . . :)

BBD


not me. i am a dcik.

obtuse

[obtuse]

There's damning with faint praise if I ever heard it! :p


yeah john; well you're up there too pal. :p :p

[catulle]

Er, humerus is the long bone of the upper arm. Humorous: Characterized by humor. Humerous: :confused:

:beer:

[obtuse]

Er, humerus is the long bone of the upper arm. Humorous: Characterized by humor. Humerous: :confused:

:beer:


now the forehgnors is teachin mes how to spelll? ive gotten a misters in englich and i'm writing my crongressman that i want our damn canal back too.

obtuce

[Archibald]

fixed-
allow me to liberally paraphrase in a humerous way your astute and correct comment:

bro like him or not he is one of the stupidest american bike racers ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not he has the biggest chin on an american bike racer ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not at least he the gumption to marry the podium girl after he knocked her up which is quite ethical for an american bike racer ever. imho cheers

bro like him or not he is one of the most handsome american bike racers ever.
imho cheers

bro like him or not he shares his initials with his favorite illicit substance which is the funniest thing about an american bike racer ever.
imho cheers

obtuse
I'm starting to sense a pattern here....

[catulle]

now the forehgnors is teachin mes how to spelll? ive gotten a misters in englich and i'm writing my crongressman that i want our damn canal back too.

obtuce


:eek:

[obtuse]

I'm starting to sense a pattern here....


yeah, then finish the pattern. you know like an iq test.

obtuse

[JohnS]

yeah john; well you're up there too pal. :p :p
Naw, I dropped down to the second page. I'm pretending that I have a life. :crap:

[obtuse]

:beer: :eek:

[Wayne77]

+100000000

Most surreal thread of the month, IMHO BRO

[Archibald]

yeah, then finish the pattern. you know like an iq test.

obtuse
Are you sure you really want me to? :beer:

[learlove]

I just watched the sprint on cycling.tv. GH got screwed. From the helo overhead shot they are all on the left hand side of the road and there maybe is something in SHu's way but not enough to cause him to swerve about 8 to 10 feet to the right and clip GH's front wheel with his rear wheel.

It is obvious the Shu didn't try to take GH out but there is no reason for that amount of swerve with all the space he had - they were not really crowded at the front - from the looks GH was accelerating in the middle and would have won the bunch sprint.

[72gmc]

to continue tenderizing this expired horse... i'm not sure how i feel about this report on cyclingnews:

"Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reports that George Hincapie's trophy that he received for finishing second in the Eneco Tour has ended up in a bar in Zwolle, The Netherlands. Bar owner Theo Dragt got the trophy from Willem Boverhof, a Zwolse journalist who happened to be parked near the Discovery Channel team in Ans after the final stage.

After what happened in the final sprint, where Hincapie saw his chances of victory disappear after a spectator pushed Stefan Schumacher into the American's front wheel, one of Discovery's soigneurs was thinking of throwing the trophy out of the bus on the way home. Boverhof 'rescued' it from an ignominious fate, and it is now ensconced in a bar in Zwolle."

[Wayne77]

to continue tenderizing this expired horse... i'm not sure how i feel about this report on cyclingnews:

"Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf reports that George Hincapie's trophy that he received for finishing second in the Eneco Tour has ended up in a bar in Zwolle, The Netherlands. Bar owner Theo Dragt got the trophy from Willem Boverhof, a Zwolse journalist who happened to be parked near the Discovery Channel team in Ans after the final stage.

After what happened in the final sprint, where Hincapie saw his chances of victory disappear after a spectator pushed Stefan Schumacher into the American's front wheel, one of Discovery's soigneurs was thinking of throwing the trophy out of the bus on the way home. Boverhof 'rescued' it from an ignominious fate, and it is now ensconced in a bar in Zwolle."

I'd probably toss the trophy as well. No sport is very fun to watch without the 'tude.

[72gmc]

i think that's where i'm netting out, too. i can't blame him for not wanting the second place trophy. i'm conflicted about the professionalism of it, though. showing disrespect to a tour and its sponsor in this fashion is not so smart, even if you were robbed (and i still think he was).

[Keith A]

I just watched the sprint on cycling.tv.I tried to find this on cycling.tv, but was unable to locate the video. Does anyone know how to find this on their website?

[mosca]

I tried to find this on cycling.tv, but was unable to locate the video. Does anyone know how to find this on their website?

+1.

In this photo from Velonews, it appears that Schumacher is at least 10 feet from the barrier when he takes out GH. If he was bumped by a spectator, he is really far off his original line.

[Keith A]

Thanks for the posting the picture. As you stated, from this point of view, Schumacher is a long ways from the side barriers and it does appear that he may have done more that just avoid the spectator.