eneco tour

[ada@prorider.or]

big discussion about fall of hincapie

shumacher touched his wheel
got third 4 second bonus so sould win the tour with 1 second ahead of hincapie

but nobody seen the important thing that hincapie did not cross the finish line
so technical did not finish the tour


just heard shumacher wins!
with 1 second

[pdxmech13]

With GH nothing suprises me anymore.
maybe he should concentrate on selling
more clothing !

[BarryG]

I can't believe Schumacher's victory is going to stand. He should have been relegated.

[ada@prorider.or]

i think too
i think nabali should have won
since hincapi also did not cross the finish line

[Jason E]

How hard did hincapie go down?

[ada@prorider.or]

How hard did hincapie go down?
it was hard but he see it coming
well stoud up after the sprint of the peloton ended

[BarryG]

Hincapie didn't go down too hard - he eventually was able to ride away several minutes later.

Wesemann left his line (inside along barriers) due to a spectator reaching over the barrier in front of him, swerved right and took out Hincapie. With the time bonus for his bogus 3rd place finish, Wesemann won the GC by 1 sec over Hincapie.

(Cees, there's a 3km crash rule for stage race finishes)

[Jason E]

So he did finish.

And he got the same time because it was within the barriers.

Guy can't catch a break.

[ada@prorider.or]

Hincapie didn't go down too hard - he eventually was able to ride away several minutes later.

Wesemann left his line (inside along barriers) due to a spectator reaching over the barrier in front of him, swerved right and took out Hincapie. With the time bonus for his bogus 3rd place finish, Wesemann won the GC by 1 sec over Hincapie.

(Cees, there's a 3km crash rule for stage race finishes)


wesemann????????????????????????????
i do not see any rule?

also i only know that he should have the same time
as he should pass the finish line !!!
WICH HE DID NOT

[Fat Robert]

How hard did hincapie go down?

ask melanie

[coylifut]

i hope the the officials will take the time to get it right. it's horrible for the guy wearing the leader's jersey to get hooked in the final 200m. it doesn't matter if the fans were hanging over the barriers, you have to sprint in a straight line. although, we've all seen stranger decisions.

[Avispa]

With GH nothing suprises me anymore.
maybe he should concentrate on selling
more clothing !


No man! Don't you see it? This is all part of the Euro conspiracy (led by the French) against the Americans... :cool: :p

Oh Damnit! We are the biggest economy and most powerfull country in the world. Why can we then, have the best bike races/racers here too!
Oh damnit.... oh damnit! :butt:

[asgelle]

big discussion about fall of hincapie

shumacher touched his wheel
got third 4 second bonus so sould win the tour with 1 second ahead of hincapie

but nobody seen the important thing that hincapie did not cross the finish line
so technical did not finish the tour


just heard shumacher wins!
with 1 second
You know, just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. A little fact checking can clear a lot of things up. This, from cyclingnews.com

"A furious Hincapie walked across the line, bike in hand, pointing and yelling at Schumacher, who caused the crash through no fault of his own. 20 minutes later, the race jury decided that the stage result would stand, and Schumacher was thus the final overall winner."

[ada@prorider.or]

"A furious Hincapie walked across the line, bike in hand, pointing and yelling at Schumacher, who caused the crash "


i looked on tv
never saw him crossing the line
he walked to jury bus
and that was placed before the finish line
at least i think?!

[asgelle]

i do not see any rule?
Did you even try to look? In fairness it did take me the better part of 3 minutes to find it.
UCI rule 2.6.027 (and if you bother to look it up you'll see it is not necessary for an injured rider to finish, though Hincapie did.)

[ada@prorider.or]

Did you even try to look? In fairness it did take me the better part of 3 minutes to find it.
UCI rule 2.6.027 (and if you bother to look it up you'll see it is not necessary for an injured rider to finish, though Hincapie did.)
i have here a book uci april 2006 and there is no rule
2.6.027!!!!!!!!!!!

it goes from 2.6.022
next is
2.6.036

well i thought that he put a link that why i said there is no rule here (sorry did not read good)

by the way i did not see him crossing the line
that does not mean that he did not do that after words

[coylifut]

With GH nothing suprises me anymore.
maybe he should concentrate on selling
more clothing !

C'mon man, you gotta have a little bit of heart here. The guy has his bars snap off at Paris Roubaix while in the lead group, he fails miserably trying to convert to a GT rider and then gets blown off his bike in the final sprint at Eneco to lose by 1 second. Right now there's some guy making 35 euro a year finishing in the bottom 1/3rd of the bunch with no contract for next year who'd love to have Hincape's palmares. What an unforgiving sport.

[asgelle]

i have here a book uci april 2006 and there is no rule
2.6.027!!!!!!!!!!!

it goes from 2.6.022
next is
2.6.036

well i thought that he put a link that why i said there is no rule here (sorry did not read good)
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2road-E.pdf P. 28


by the way i did not see him crossing the line
that does not mean that he did not do that after words
Not what you wrote earlier. You seem quite certain he never crossed the line.
"but nobody seen the important thing that hincapie did not cross the finish line so technical did not finish the tour"

"i think nabali should have won since hincapi also did not cross the finish line"

"also i only know that he should have the same time as he should pass the finish line !!! WICH HE DID NOT"

[ada@prorider.or]

[QUOTE=asgelle]http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2road-E.pdf P. 28



old rule book!!
new is from 2006 that is what you have to take!


and who is the winner so only for the money

for me its george

but i am no uci commisaire

[coylifut]

[QUOTE=asgelle]http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2road-E.pdf P. 28



old rule book!!
new is from 2006 that is what you have to take!


and who is the winner so only for the money

for me its george

but i am no uci commisaire

are you saying in your opinion Shumacher should have been relegated?

[ada@prorider.or]

[QUOTE=ada@prorider.or]
relegated?
i do not know what this word means
sorry

[coylifut]

[QUOTE=coylifut]
i do not know what this word means
sorry

penalized, like when they stripped Betinni of his stage win at the Giro when he and Cooke got tangled up.

[ada@prorider.or]

no for me its mentaly
if you want to win you also have to do your share of the work
in wich he did not

[coylifut]

no for me its mentaly
if you want to win you also have to do your share of the work
in wich he did not

who didn't do his share of the work? Hincape or Shumacher? I didn't get to see the race.

[72gmc]

now that i've read the cyclingnews report, i think i see 3 possibilities:

1. no fan interference. schumi and hincapie finish 2-3, or 3-2... either way hincapie wins the tour.

2. fan interference with no bonus (or a field time relegation) for schumi because of his irregular sprint that was not his fault... hincapie wins the tour.

3. fan interference, time bonus for schumi, bandages for hincapie... schumi wins the tour, and hincapie is effectively punished for the fan interference and the irregular sprint.

seems the jury chose the most screwed-up option on the table.

[ada@prorider.or]

who didn't do his share of the work? Hincape or Shumacher? I didn't get to see the race.

schumacher

[coylifut]

schumacher

thank you. all is clear now

[asgelle]

[QUOTE=asgelle]http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2road-E.pdf P. 28



old rule book!!
new is from 2006 that is what you have to take!

I have no idea what you're looking at (if anything) and where you get this stuff. The linked page is what is currently listed on the UCI site. If that weren't enough, it is dated 30/03/06.

[ada@prorider.or]

[QUOTE=ada@prorider.or]
I have no idea what you're looking at (if anything) and where you get this stuff. The linked page is what is currently listed on the UCI site. If that weren't enough, it is dated 30/03/06.


well i get it sent by the uci evrytime
where do you got your rule book then

[asgelle]

[QUOTE=asgelle]


well i get it sent by the uci evrytime
where do you got your rule book then
What we have here is failure to communicate.

http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2road-E.pdf P. 28

[ada@prorider.or]

[QUOTE=ada@prorider.or]
What we have here is failure to communicate.
i do not think so


all info on web site is not legal

the paper work is

example mavic new wheels are not allowed on uci website
but still they are

just a example of another terrain

so if you want the rule´s you need the offical rule book from uci

[asgelle]

[QUOTE=asgelle]
all info on web site is not legal

the paper work is
What is your source for saying this?
But even if the printed version took precedence, don't you find it suspicious that sections 2.6.023-2.6.035 would all have been deleted at once. Isn't it perhaps more likely there was a printing error in your copy? Doesn't it disturb you that UCI would simply delete the rules dealing with Team Time Trial Stages (2.6.024-025), Dropping from a stage race (2.6.026), and Race finishes (2.6.027-032) and not replace them?

[J.Greene]

I think big george is dealing with tha Karma that came from sucking Peiro's wheel in last years tour stage that he won. Winning that stage has caused alot of trouble for George this year.

JG

[ada@prorider.or]

[QUOTE=ada@prorider.or]
What is your source for saying this?

well long time ago from uci

But even if the printed version took precedence, don't you find it suspicious that sections 2.6.023-2.6.035 would all have been deleted at once. Isn't it perhaps more likely there was a printing error in your copy? Doesn't it disturb you that UCI would simply delete the rules dealing with Team Time Trial Stages (2.6.024-025), Dropping from a stage race (2.6.026), and Race finishes (2.6.027-032) and not replace them?
yes it is i agree

but then it must be not in all those rule books
its possible a seldom look at them only when i need them
but ,its something for the uci and the judge not me

i can try to scan the page and sent it to you if you want
or take a foto of this page

so when i lie as they say here i lie in commision

[classic1]

I think big george is dealing with tha Karma that came from sucking Peiro's wheel in last years tour stage that he won. Winning that stage has caused alot of trouble for George this year.

JG

George Hincapie, cyclings answer to Earl Hickey

[deechee]

[QUOTE=asgelle]
but ,its something for the uci and the judge not me

i can try to scan the page and sent it to you if you want
or take a foto of this page


You two are hilarious. Its like the bickering at work that goes on around me everyday :)

[Serpico]

bump

[swoop]

wait a minute... where am i??? a second ago i was reading another thread and all of the sudden i am a 68 year old fat lady in new jersey reading this other other thread. and i understand cee's without having to sound it out.
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