New classy campy stuff

[R3awak3n]

Some thread on how new campy is not classy anymore, I don't know about you but this is pretty classy imo

http://theradavist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Pools_Classic_5.jpg

New crankset looks great on that and I am not even that big of a fan of that bike frame or the chrome wheels, its too much but the groupset (save for the black in the shifters), looks a ok with me

[AngryScientist]

yes, i like it all. i'm betting the new silver centaur will be great looking too.

i just wish they had thrown the extra few bucks in and used alloy shift levers instead of the out of place black plastic on these. Athena used alloy, so they had them already in production...

[ColonelJLloyd]

Yeah, it looks good. Silver pad holders would look better than the black.

[brockd15]

Looks pretty good to my eye.

Anybody know what the stem is?

[d_douglas]

I think its a Pro alloy thing.

Is that a new Speedvagen or a repainted one?


Count me a retrgrouch, but I like the Ultratorque Athena cranks better. The 4 arm campy cranks only look good in carbon to me.

That said, its all nice stuff to ride!

[54ny77]

what is that????

really nice.

[chiasticon]

Anybody know what the stem is?looks like a painted to match Ritchey to me. could be wrong though...

what is that????Speedvagen. specifically the "oh geez 1" created for Bicycle Crumbs (https://www.instagram.com/bicyclecrumbs/?hl=en) who works for them. so, not sure if it'll be a stock color or not some day...

love that silver! classy! :hello:

[R3awak3n]

Yeah looks like a ritchey to me too.


I like the color, maybe a shade to light for me but its nice. Black wheels woulda have been better and yeah why not just go all silver with the levers. I guess cheaper and this way they can share that part through all the versions.


Edit: hmmm think might be a pro vibe now too or maybe deda, def not ritchey


http://7169-presscdn-0-61.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/speedvagen-classic-2-625x417.jpg

[jtbadge]

I think the stem is a PRO PLT.

https://scontent-ord1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/18299552_1299578393430689_8964444036425318400_n.jp g

https://images.jetcdn.net/md5/5bf9ec135babc45b2766dbea5b8d3cfe.500

[ColonelJLloyd]

Neither the profile nor the face plate (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTkwUJ6gq3E/?taken-by=bicyclecrumbs) look like any Ritchey model with which I'm familiar.

The best thing about bicyclecrumbs (https://www.instagram.com/p/BUDAJo7AB-7/?taken-by=bicyclecrumbs)is bicyclepubes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BUKZtuEF7zJ/?taken-by=bicyclepubes).

[chiasticon]

Neither the profile nor the face plate (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTkwUJ6gq3E/?taken-by=bicyclecrumbs) look like any Ritchey model with which I'm familiar.ah, I hadn't seen the face plate. was just going off of the squared-off looks from the side.

[icepick_trotsky]

Real question is what is the bar tape?

[jtbadge]

Real question is what is the bar tape?

Fabric.

http://fabric.cc/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Fabric16_SiliconeTape_White_3qtr-1024x1024.jpg

[beeatnik]

I like Potenza's style.

[drewellison]

It might look a little nicer if it were all silver, but there's actually quite a lot of black on it.
- cable housing
- pedal cleat clamps
- saddle rail clamps
- brake levers bits
- calipers bits
- ft. derailleur bit
- rear der. pieces and pulleys
- steering column
- bar end plugs
- and, of course, tire tread
I don't think the black detracts much at all. I probably would have put on black tape and saddle too.

I like how the seat stays are thick on top, down through the brake bridge, then they thin out. Is that a Vanilla specific design?

What's the little black springy looking thing on the rear shifter cable, just in front of the chain stay housing stop?

[Joachim]

Looks pretty good to my eye.

Anybody know what the stem is?

Like the other poster said: PRO PLT stem. I have one and its really nice stuff.

[R3awak3n]

It might look a little nicer if it were all silver, but there's actually quite a lot of black on it.
- cable housing
- pedal cleat clamps
- saddle rail clamps
- brake levers bits
- calipers bits
- ft. derailleur bit
- rear der. pieces and pulleys
- steering column
- bar end plugs
- and, of course, tire tread
I don't think the black detracts much at all. I probably would have put on black tape and saddle too.

I like how the seat stays are thick on top, down through the brake bridge, then they thin out. Is that a Vanilla specific design?

What's the little black springy looking thing on the rear shifter cable, just in front of the chain stay housing stop?

comes with campy cable set, keeps the dust out.

[kansukee]

Nice bikes. Personally I dislike the new cranks so much that when I build another bike it will have a Comp Ultra crank, or Athena UT even if the rest of the group is new stuff.

[brockd15]

I think the stem is a PRO PLT.

Yep, there we go. Thanks.
I like the lines, looks good. It looks a lot better in the SV pic than in the stock PRO pics.

[ColonelJLloyd]

What's the little black springy looking thing on the rear shifter cable, just in front of the chain stay housing stop?

It's a rubber boot to act as a shield in hopes of keeping detritus from infiltrating the housing. My Elite Link kit comes with them too.

[ColonelJLloyd]

Like the other poster said: PRO PLT stem. I have one and its really nice stuff.

Are they still 10d (80/100)? Looks shallower on that SV.

[Mark McM]

What's the little black springy looking thing on the rear shifter cable, just in front of the chain stay housing stop?

It looks like a grub seal on Gore sealed housing.

[thirdgenbird]

Campagnolo includes that seal with their cable kits. It's not just Gore sealed housing.


Centaur may look even better. It's a consistent finish. No matte stripe like on potenza.

https://gzmyu4ma9b-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Campagnolo-Centaur-11-silver_entry-level-11-speed-aluminum-performance-road-bike-groupset_road_crankset.jpg
VS:
https://gzmyu4ma9b-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Campagnolo_Potenza-11_polished-aluminum-silver-groupset_crankset.jpg


I dig it. Better logos too. I think the matte black will also look killer on a raw metal frame.

[grumpus]

Surprised campagnolo/shimano/sram don't make shift hoods in gum/natural rubber. Those would look really nice on a bike like this, especially if they would make the shift paddle all silver. I almost always like a solid silver or solid black better than a combination, but the manufacturers seem insistent. It really sticks out on brake calipers. Here is a nice silver one with mismatched black shoes stuck on. Most of them are a nice black but silver bolts that stick out like a sore thumb. That new centaur crank looks like they may have gotten the message though

[R3awak3n]

Campagnolo includes that seal with their cable kits. It's not just Gore sealed housing.


Centaur may look even better. It's a consistent finish. No matte stripe like on potenza.

https://gzmyu4ma9b-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Campagnolo-Centaur-11-silver_entry-level-11-speed-aluminum-performance-road-bike-groupset_road_crankset.jpg
VS:
https://gzmyu4ma9b-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Campagnolo_Potenza-11_polished-aluminum-silver-groupset_crankset.jpg


I dig it. Better logos too. I think the matte black will also look killer on a raw metal frame.

oh yeah, much better. Regardless of which I had, I would strip all those logos just like I did with athena. cleans up very nicely.

[ColonelJLloyd]

Surprised campagnolo/shimano/sram don't make shift hoods in gum/natural rubber.

Surprised? They would sell about a hundred pair so not worth producing any way you cut it.

[choke]

I'm not a big fan of the black/silver mix on the derailleurs and shifters but I could live with it, though the brake pad holders would have to be replaced ASAP.

As for the cranks....I still think they're hideous. I can't ever see myself warming up to them. :(

[FlashUNC]

Surprised? They would sell about a hundred pair so not worth producing any way you cut it.

I think 100 is generous, unless you're talking about 20 folks serial hoarding.

[ColonelJLloyd]

I think 100 is generous, unless you're talking about 20 folks serial hoarding.

I am both being generous and accounting for hoarding, yes.

[pdmtong]

Real question is what is the bar tape?
would it be too much for them to go to home depot and get some white electrical tape to finish with instead of black?
I like how the seat stays are thick on top, down through the brake bridge, then they thin out. Is that a Vanilla specific design?

read about vanilla tubing manipulation (http://www.thevanillaworkshop.com/blog/2017/3/speedvagen-tubing) in their blog

frankly, while I love the effort, making a go-fast SV retro silver just strikes me as odd.

[AngryScientist]

that particular bike shown in the OP does nothing for me. the chunky seatpost topper thing ruins the possibly clean look of the ISP, and the paint is too bland for how much the thing likely costs. also - i'f i'm spending huge bucks to get a lightweight steel frame with carbon fork, i'm going lightweight on the parts hung off of it.

the alloy stuff has its place, and as soon as that centaur crank is released, i think i'll grab one for my kirk.

it's good to have options!

[pdmtong]

that particular bike shown in the OP does nothing for me. the chunky seatpost topper thing ruins the possibly clean look of the ISP, and the paint is too bland for how much the thing likely costs. also - i'f i'm spending huge bucks to get a lightweight steel frame with carbon fork, i'm going lightweight on the parts hung off of it.

the alloy stuff has its place, and as soon as that centaur crank is released, i think i'll grab one for my kirk.

it's good to have options!

same frame, but incarnated differently. how do you like me now?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52b27a54e4b01dead0d25335/t/58dc4419bebafb06e991d603/1490830402283/?format=750w
http://theradavist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Pools_Classic_5-1335x930.jpg

[Bostic]

Did they recently change the Potenza Silver Crank? Someone else (I forget the username) had posted a Silver Potenza build and the crank, while not anything like the matte 5800 105, sure didn't look polished by any means. Or am I being tricked by great photography and my aging eyes?

[bikingshearer]

Add me the list of grumpy old men who cannot get used to four-arm cranksets.

Now get off my lawn . . . .

[R3awak3n]

same frame, but incarnated differently. how do you like me now?

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/52b27a54e4b01dead0d25335/t/58dc4419bebafb06e991d603/1490830402283/?format=750w
http://theradavist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Pools_Classic_5-1335x930.jpg

as much as I hate to say it, I would take the DA bike over the Potenza bike any day, looks MUCH better with black components. THat is not to say I dont like potenza, I think it looks awesome but like I had mentioned before, it just doesnt work with this paint/I think the paint needs some black, its too frou frou with the silver.

I would like it even more with some chorus or record on it, and some boras :)

[Tickdoc]

Sweet bike, and I am warming the the four arm,but not as Much as say...this!
http://velobase.com/CompImages/Crankset/2C94223B-46A4-40F5-BC09-8D6E4688EC39.jpeg

[pdmtong]

Maybe I don't know what I like.
I think the sloped metal with silver and gum looks odd, but I like what is essentially the exact opposite, which would be level lugged steel with carbon and boras.
I guess if you are the beholder you are free to choose. Modern parts with classic frame or classic parts with modern frame.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/07/717bedbff09978e24413271ccd6bb922.jpg
http://theradavist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Pools_Classic_5-1335x930.jpg

[R3awak3n]

/\ only a crazy person would take the blue bike over your vanilla.

that said, I think the potenza on your vanilla with the boras would look great as well.

[jambee]

That very light blue Speedvagen looks weird to me. Something just loos off and it is likely to be the silver wheels.

Other than this, CAMPY REVIVAL!

[donevwil]

That very light blue Speedvagen looks weird to me. Something just loos off and it is likely to be the silver wheels.

I feel the same way, but think it's all the black bits (pad holders, shift paddles, post clamp, derailleur bases and pivots, bar end plugs) trying to hide (unsuccessfully) amongst the silver or painted primary components. Just looks kind of afterthought'ish and a bit cheap. Then, of course, there's the topper.

[ultraman6970]

U can run that crankset with pretty much anything and will look sick forever.

So, for long UT will be in the line up??? I do not see it will be available for too long.. 3 more years?

BTW what about 3rd party manufacturers for those new 4 bolts chainrings???

Sweet bike, and I am warming the the four arm,but not as Much as say...this!
http://velobase.com/CompImages/Crankset/2C94223B-46A4-40F5-BC09-8D6E4688EC39.jpeg

[pdmtong]

Here are all the details
http://www.thevanillaworkshop.com/blog/2017/5/the-impact-of-color-bicyclecrumbs-custom-speedvagen-ohjeez1

[cadence90]

Modern parts with classic frame 10,000x > classic parts with modern frame.

Here are all the details
http://www.thevanillaworkshop.com/blog/2017/5/the-impact-of-color-bicyclecrumbs-custom-speedvagen-ohjeez1
Hmm. That post, like the bicycle itself, is trying a bit too hard imo.
I far prefer yours, but I think the blue one with black is pretty good too.
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[ERK55]

Modern parts with classic frame 10,000x > classic parts with modern frame.


Hmm. That post, like the bicycle itself, is trying a bit too hard imo.
I far prefer yours, but I think the blue one with black is pretty good too.
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Well if it's >10,000x I must be making a big mistake then.

Just placed a deposit for a custom steel frame, to be built with NOS Chorus Alloy parts and NOS silver Record hubs.
I'm pretty exited about it.

[beeatnik]

^NOS Chorus and NOS Record 10 qualify as modern.

[FlashUNC]

17 year old parts are modern now?

Alloy Chorus came out in 2000.

[cadence90]

^NOS Chorus and NOS Record 10 qualify as modern.

Definitely.

Which builder, ERK55?

17 year old parts are modern now?

Alloy Chorus came out in 2000.
I guess I think of 10S/11S as modern.

[ERK55]

Wages

[FlashUNC]

Definitely.

Which builder, ERK55?


I guess I think of 10S/11S as modern.

In 2000, would we have thought of Campy 50th as modern?

Because the time gap is the same.

[cadence90]

Wages
Fantastic! One of my grail builders. I adore that ice blue color he often uses. I very much look forward to seeing yours.

Appropriate to this thread, he calls this model the "Modern Classic". :) Stellar stuff.
http://www.elliscycles.com/resources/Wages-953-Road-1_500.jpg
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[cadence90]

In 2000, would we have thought of Campy 50th as modern?

Because the time gap is the same.
In 1983 + 1 day, I thought of Campa 50th as uber-retro. :)

[beeatnik]

In 2000, would we have thought of Campy 50th as modern?

Because the time gap is the same.

Campy 10 is modern in the way a Neutra masterpiece is modern. Perfection can not be improved upon.

[FlashUNC]

Campy 10 is modern in the way a Neutra masterpiece is modern. Perfection can not be improved upon.

So we're equating bike parts with the modernist movement now?

Lotta people around here love replacing G springs it seems.

[saab2000]

So we're equating bike parts with the modernist movement now?

Lotta people around here love replacing G springs it seems.

I think the shift action was superior in the older levers and the old Chorus levers with the aluminum shifter was the high point.

Anyway, the point is made - it's hard to improve aesthetically upon the early 2000s Campagnolo Record or Chorus.

My issue with Campagnolo is that 2000 or so was the high point of function and I don't think they've raised their bar since then. Shimano has raised theirs.

Campagnolo needs another game changing leap of performance, like the 10-speed stuff was in 2000 or thereabouts.

[beeatnik]

^This

[cadence90]

^This

x 2. *






* (meaning: Neutra and Schindler....:))
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[FlashUNC]

The Rev+ stuff is superior in every way from where I sit, and even the prior Gen 11 speed stuff I preferred over 10.

The hoods are more ergonomic, everything shifts better, its lighter and all around just works better.

Just means more parts for me that aren't old enough to drive I guess.

[R3awak3n]

The Rev+ stuff is superior in every way from where I sit, and even the prior Gen 11 speed stuff I preferred over 10.

The hoods are more ergonomic, everything shifts better, its lighter and all around just works better.

Just means more parts for me that aren't old enough to drive I guess.

I agree the levers are more ergo (but this is not to everyones tastes), I think the front derailleur is fantastic. The RD shifts about the same. Its not that much lighter either.

I think the crank is an upgrade, you can use both compact, sub-comp and standard without buying a new crank.

[saab2000]

I agree that the new crank is an upgrade, at least operationally. Aesthetically is a question, but I'm OK with the new 4-arm design.

In fairness, I haven't used the newest Campagnolo so I'm not truly able to judge. I've felt it on shop bikes and am not crazily impressed but I'm sure it's fine.

As for the ergonomics, I think I actually preferred the older 10-speed design but I know the new ones work better with modern bars. I'm also curious about the inner shift button, which appears to be modified vs. the older Mickey Mouse ear shifter.

I'd like to try a contemporary Super Record groupset, no doubt about it.

As for Campagnolo's front shifting, I always felt theirs was the gold standard. My Campagnolo bikes are 3-up/3-down and are quick and precise. No rubbing and no trimming. Never an issue. I was disappointed to see them copy Shimano (who have since abandoned the design....) with the long arm front der.

[oldpotatoe]

I think the shift action was superior in the older levers and the old Chorus levers with the aluminum shifter was the high point.

Anyway, the point is made - it's hard to improve aesthetically upon the early 2000s Campagnolo Record or Chorus.

My issue with Campagnolo is that 2000 or so was the high point of function and I don't think they've raised their bar since then. Shimano has raised theirs.

Campagnolo needs another game changing leap of performance, like the 10-speed stuff was in 2000 or thereabouts.

Funny, these 'discussions' always make me smile. 2009 and 11s was another 'high point' for Campag, IMHO. Completely new shifters, new innards that don't wear, new, much more ergonomic shape. Shifters for Campagnolo really didn't change from 1999 thru 2008..don't really see 2000 as any high point unless you see alloy blades as a 'high point'. Certianly not function when compaerd to 2001/2/3/4/5, etc levers.

BTW-1999 levers, exactly the same performance, innards, etc. as 2000, just 9s..don't think 10s was really any revolution.

IMHO, of course.

[54ny77]

Man, that Ellis is stunning. Just beautiful.

Fantastic! One of my grail builders. I adore that ice blue color he often uses. I very much look forward to seeing yours.

Appropriate to this thread, he calls this model the "Modern Classic". :) Stellar stuff.
http://www.elliscycles.com/resources/Wages-953-Road-1_500.jpg
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