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oldpotatoe
05-06-2017, 09:46 AM
http://tiz-cycling.racing/live-stream

Mzilliox
05-06-2017, 10:13 AM
Thanks Peter, my go to for all racing

drewellison
05-06-2017, 02:34 PM
I have a subscription to the nbcsportsgold app and it's got a lot of racing but not the Giro. So I was inspired (by OP) to donate 5 euros ($5.65 via PayPal) on Tiz because I'll watch the Giro there this time.

It can't be easy or cheap to provide this live streaming to us all. Paying our way is usually the best way. A little donation isn't much for most of us and it'll help keep a good thing going for the community. Please donate.

cmg
05-06-2017, 05:37 PM
any tv coverage?

tiretrax
05-06-2017, 09:35 PM
Mille grazie, Vecchia Patata.

oldpotatoe
05-07-2017, 04:16 AM
Mille grazie, Vecchia Patata.

prego

Il giro migliore

enr1co
05-07-2017, 11:51 AM
Grazie mille Pete!

oldpotatoe
05-09-2017, 07:18 AM
http://tiz-cycling.racing/live-stream

Here again..Etna stage..Knarly!!

http://tiz-cycling.racing/live-stream/

oldpotatoe
05-09-2017, 09:06 AM
http://tiz-cycling.racing/live-stream

on the Etna climb now..

abr5
05-09-2017, 09:30 AM
Stream is down for me (not that I would ever watch at work... ;) ), any streams up for anyone else?

KJMUNC
05-09-2017, 09:47 AM
in/out for me, but guessing it has something to do with the firewall I'm sitting behind. will have to settle for the CN text updates, which suck.

stien
05-09-2017, 10:19 AM
Just caught the finish. Nice.

That Trek rider with the 'stache...just awesome.

SeanScott
05-09-2017, 10:29 AM
I have been watching it on Fubo. It works really well.
I was able to get a free 7 day trail and a discount if I continue through Peleton.

Vientomas
05-09-2017, 10:29 AM
in/out for me, but guessing it has something to do with the firewall I'm sitting behind. will have to settle for the CN text updates, which suck.

Get free Opera browser. Activate VPN. Set VPN to Belgium. Go to Steephill TV Live Giro page. Click on Rai broadcast. No stream interruption. No English commentary either. Mute Rai stream. Keep the Tiz stream open in another window and when the Tiz stream kicks back in, you get the Eurosport commentary...until it goes out again.

jh_on_the_cape
05-09-2017, 02:23 PM
I can't wait until stage 18. Goes right through the town where my mother-in-law grew up and I have visited once or twice a year for over a decade. Beautiful country and those climbs are ridiculous... in a car! great skiing there. Even last winter there were huge signs for the GIRO all over town.

If anyone on paceline will be at that stage, let me know!

cadence90
05-10-2017, 02:20 PM
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ultraman6970
05-20-2017, 10:01 AM
The dutch just rocked today! Never thought this was going to happen.

Tickdoc
05-20-2017, 10:02 AM
Beautiful finish!

Glad our ride was cancelled today so I could watch this.

Macadamia
05-20-2017, 10:02 AM
what a stage, amazing

Elefantino
05-20-2017, 10:38 AM
Yes, amazing. Watched the last 6 K on my phone in the Istanbul airport. Was cheering and I think people thought I was nuts.

Will be there tomorrow! Pumped! :banana::banana::banana:

homagesilkhope
05-20-2017, 06:30 PM
Yes, great racing.

Just --- can't --- handle --- Kirby's theatrics, though. Not even for a single mountaintop.

Back to RAI for me. No pop-ups, no pings.

Tickdoc
05-20-2017, 06:43 PM
Yes, amazing. Watched the last 6 K on my phone in the Istanbul airport. Was cheering and I think people thought I was nuts.

Will be there tomorrow! Pumped! :banana::banana::banana:


Oh man, can't wait to hear a report and please please please try to post some pics.

I'll get there some day.

trener1
05-20-2017, 10:34 PM
Yeah that was pretty epic.

oldpotatoe
05-21-2017, 08:17 AM
Yes, great racing.

Just --- can't --- handle --- Kirby's theatrics, though. Not even for a single mountaintop.

Back to RAI for me. No pop-ups, no pings.

NOT throwing stones but geeez..don't know where you are but I'm just glad there is a source to watch this stuff, ya know, Euro bike racing, here in the US;)..Kirby isn't bad and you get to try to understand what Kelly is sayin'..:D

About 10km from the first climb of the day..http://tiz-cycling.racing/live-stream/

Tickdoc
05-21-2017, 08:50 AM
Quintana down and doumalin stops the group to wait for him....damn good stuff!

oldpotatoe
05-21-2017, 08:55 AM
Quintana down and doumalin stops the group to wait for him....damn good stuff!

Quinto got on a huge bike..just switched..Nibs doesn't have the legs today, or yesterday. Quinto back in.

cadence90
05-21-2017, 08:56 AM
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Tickdoc
05-21-2017, 09:39 AM
Ok now I can ride....another amazing day!

ptourkin
05-21-2017, 09:43 AM
Amazing stage. Nice recovery by Nairo. Big ouch for Kangert.

https://twitter.com/GazetteDesSport/status/866299507264413704

Elefantino
05-21-2017, 04:39 PM
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Elefantino
05-21-2017, 04:40 PM
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cadence90
05-21-2017, 08:54 PM
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Tickdoc
05-21-2017, 09:33 PM
Big thumbs up to you mr elefantino sir!

pmac
05-21-2017, 10:44 PM
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Funny to see these photos. I'm in a hotel right between those two shots. Hope you got a nice ride yesterday, weather was perfect. Aprica and Mortirolo for me today.

Elefantino
05-22-2017, 09:40 AM
Mortirolo today.

But first, a little background. We flew San Francisco-Milan on Turkish Airlines, via Istanbul. Service was impeccable (in Business Class) and everything was fine until we landed late Saturday in Milan. No bike. Not only no bike, but two subsequent days of searching by both the Milan airport and the Turkish Airlines folks have resulted in the following explanation: THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE BIKE IS. Literally. It is not in SFO. Not in Istanbul. Not in Milan. Not on a plane. Not on a train. Might be in Bali for all I know.

So my Look, adapted for the mountains with help from JTek, Wolf, and Shimano (XT cassette) is not to be had. Fortunately, the good folks of our tour organizer, Custom Getaways, manage to come up with a 105-equipped Wilier GTR in XXL. Except that it has a 12-28 out back. Oh well, right?

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled programming. Today was the ride from Bormio to the Mortirolo. Beautiful scenic ride through the valley. That's Eric, one of our guides, ahead of me.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1336_zpscclzhvho.jpg

The mountain opposite the turn to the base of the climb is particularly beautiful.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1339_zps6q5tbnnh.jpg

So we are ready for the climb. The signage is foreboding.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1337_zpshacfx4zm.jpg

The climb itself is beautiful. There are seemingly endless stretches of double-figure ramps, with mostly narrow road through the trees with occasional breaks of sunshine. Not a lot of rest spots. It's amazing when you look down at your Garmin and give thanks when it shows 8%! The hardest was one stretch purported to be 19% but it only showed 17 on the Garmin. One minor hiccup was when Eric and I were forced to clip out when a step van stopped in front of us; total d!ck move on their part. Anyway, it happened right below a hairpin so we were able to clip back in and continue.

With about 2k to go I caught up to a couple of Slovanians and we rode together to the summit. A pretty good crowd at the top. I rode over the summit to the wooden sign for the obligatory shot.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1340_zps9koyormu.jpg

The descent back down was exciting, made more so by the crappy non-model Shimano rim brakes. About halfway down a Renault Espace van passed me and I sped up and rode its tail the rest of the way down.

Tomorrow, we do the Stelvio from the Bormio side, where we'll watch the stage before descending back down for the finish.

Whew.

Tickdoc
05-22-2017, 09:43 AM
Mortirolo today.

But first, a little background. We flew San Francisco-Milan on Turkish Airlines, via Istanbul. Service was impeccable (in Business Class) and everything was fine until we landed late Saturday in Milan. No bike. Not only no bike, but two subsequent days of searching by both the Milan airport and the Turkish Airlines folks have resulted in the following explanation: THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE BIKE IS. Literally. It is not in SFO. Not in Istanbul. Not in Milan. Not on a plane. Not on a train. Might be in Bali for all I know.

So my Look, adapted for the mountains with help from JTek, Wolf, and Shimano (XT cassette) is not to be had. Fortunately, the good folks of our tour organizer, Custom Getaways, manage to come up with a 105-equipped Wilier GTR in XXL. Except that it has a 12-28 out back. Oh well, right?

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled programming. Today was the ride from Bormio to the Mortirolo. Beautiful scenic ride through the valley. That's Eric, one of our guides, ahead of me.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1336_zpscclzhvho.jpg

The mountain opposite the turn to the base of the climb is particularly beautiful.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1339_zps6q5tbnnh.jpg

So we are ready for the climb. The signage is foreboding.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1337_zpshacfx4zm.jpg

The climb itself is beautiful. There are seemingly endless stretches of double-figure ramps, with mostly narrow road through the trees with occasional breaks of sunshine. Not a lot of rest spots. It's amazing when you look down at your Garmin and give thanks when it shows 8%! The hardest was one stretch purported to be 19% but it only showed 17 on the Garmin. One minor hiccup was when Eric and I were forced to clip out when a step van stopped in front of us; total d!ck move on their part. Anyway, it happened right below a hairpin so we were able to clip back in and continue.

With about 2k to go I caught up to a couple of Slovanians and we rode together to the summit. A pretty good crowd at the top. I rode over the summit to the wooden sign for the obligatory shot.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1340_zps9koyormu.jpg

The descent back down was exciting, made more so by the crappy non-model Shimano rim brakes. About halfway down a Renault Espace van passed me and I sped up and rode its tail the rest of the way down.

Tomorrow, we do the Stelvio from the Bormio side, where we'll watch the stage before descending back down for the finish.

Whew.
Awesome shots! So jealous right now.

(Those white cables are killing me on the Willier, BTW)

cadence90
05-22-2017, 11:14 PM
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Nags&Ducs
05-23-2017, 03:55 AM
Mortirolo today.

But first, a little background. We flew San Francisco-Milan on Turkish Airlines, via Istanbul. Service was impeccable (in Business Class) and everything was fine until we landed late Saturday in Milan. No bike. Not only no bike, but two subsequent days of searching by both the Milan airport and the Turkish Airlines folks have resulted in the following explanation: THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE BIKE IS. Literally. It is not in SFO. Not in Istanbul. Not in Milan. Not on a plane. Not on a train. Might be in Bali for all I know.

So my Look, adapted for the mountains with help from JTek, Wolf, and Shimano (XT cassette) is not to be had. Fortunately, the good folks of our tour organizer, Custom Getaways, manage to come up with a 105-equipped Wilier GTR in XXL. Except that it has a 12-28 out back. Oh well, right?

Anyway, back to the regularly scheduled programming. Today was the ride from Bormio to the Mortirolo. Beautiful scenic ride through the valley. That's Eric, one of our guides, ahead of me.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1336_zpscclzhvho.jpg

The mountain opposite the turn to the base of the climb is particularly beautiful.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1339_zps6q5tbnnh.jpg

So we are ready for the climb. The signage is foreboding.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1337_zpshacfx4zm.jpg

The climb itself is beautiful. There are seemingly endless stretches of double-figure ramps, with mostly narrow road through the trees with occasional breaks of sunshine. Not a lot of rest spots. It's amazing when you look down at your Garmin and give thanks when it shows 8%! The hardest was one stretch purported to be 19% but it only showed 17 on the Garmin. One minor hiccup was when Eric and I were forced to clip out when a step van stopped in front of us; total d!ck move on their part. Anyway, it happened right below a hairpin so we were able to clip back in and continue.

With about 2k to go I caught up to a couple of Slovanians and we rode together to the summit. A pretty good crowd at the top. I rode over the summit to the wooden sign for the obligatory shot.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/gmmtwo/IMG_1340_zps9koyormu.jpg

The descent back down was exciting, made more so by the crappy non-model Shimano rim brakes. About halfway down a Renault Espace van passed me and I sped up and rode its tail the rest of the way down.

Tomorrow, we do the Stelvio from the Bormio side, where we'll watch the stage before descending back down for the finish.

Whew.

You suck.










;)

:beer:

Enjoy your time. Best cycling in the world happens there.

cadence90
05-23-2017, 07:23 AM
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Tickdoc
05-23-2017, 07:26 AM
Happy Stelvio day everyone.

ultraman6970
05-23-2017, 09:26 AM
And the streaming is not working... what is going onnnnnnnn :(

Looks like the dutch got dropped ?

ps: the colombian stream is working fine.

KJMUNC
05-23-2017, 09:30 AM
And the streaming is not working... what is going onnnnnnnn :(

Looks like the dutch got dropped ?

He stopped for a nature break (sounds like #2) at the. Are of the last climb and the group didn't wait for him. In fact, both Movistar and Bahrain pushed the pace, now Movistar dropped a rider back to sit on his wheel and mark him.

That's just dirty, classless riding. Especially after he waited for Quintana when he crashed. I expect there will be fireworks about this after the stage :bike:

chiasticon
05-23-2017, 09:33 AM
He stopped for a nature break (sounds like #2)yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_FrTU0PZq4&feature=youtu.be

cdn_bacon
05-23-2017, 09:34 AM
Parlata Italiano?

http://rai2.web.tv/

ultraman6970
05-23-2017, 09:35 AM
WOw man... he must be really dehydrated by now... this sucks :(

ultraman6970
05-23-2017, 09:36 AM
What about spanish?

http://envivo.senalcolombia.tv/



Parlata Italiano?

http://rai2.web.tv/

nooneline
05-23-2017, 09:42 AM
He stopped for a nature break (sounds like #2) at the. Are of the last climb and the group didn't wait for him. In fact, both Movistar and Bahrain pushed the pace, now Movistar dropped a rider back to sit on his wheel and mark him.

That's just dirty, classless riding. Especially after he waited for Quintana when he crashed. I expect there will be fireworks about this after the stage :bike:

cyclingnews reported that both movistar and bahrain went to the front and slowed the pace, waiting, before bahrain finally started racing again.

abr5
05-23-2017, 09:42 AM
Wow, some questionable "tactics" there. At least Dumoulin is showing his strength by keeping the gap fairly consistent (so far). I have a feeling Quintana will be lambasted by the cycling media (and praised by the Columbian media) for not waiting.

edit: actually not sure if dumoulin is keeping the gap, I don't speak Italian... cycling news reporting that he's lost 2 minutes so far. Can anyone confirm?

ultraman6970
05-23-2017, 09:49 AM
2:15 at the top of the mountain... quintana will be like 30 secs behind the dutch at the end of the day.

cadence90
05-23-2017, 09:49 AM
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simplemind
05-23-2017, 09:50 AM
Tiz is down (and out)?

wpod
05-23-2017, 09:52 AM
TLZ down for me here in Baja Sur. Watching via Italian TV online here (http://rai2.web.tv/)

cadence90
05-23-2017, 09:55 AM
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nooneline
05-23-2017, 09:55 AM
There was nothing that appeared dirty to me.

Well... let's wait till the soigneur who washes Dumoulin's kit weighs on in this...

KJMUNC
05-23-2017, 09:56 AM
RAI said it was diarrhea.

Movistar, etc. all waited up, actually. There was nothing that appeared dirty to me.

Dumoulin is showing great courage/grinta.

Nibali is looking dangerous, but Quintana is hanging on like dog to a bone.


The last RAI update he had gone from ~2:30 down to around -1:50.

I was watching on Tiz and while they didn't attack, they certainly didn't slow up and eventually both put guys on the front. Sean Kelly even came out and called it "questionable", which is a strong statement for a guy who never takes sides.

cadence90
05-23-2017, 09:57 AM
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cadence90
05-23-2017, 10:00 AM
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ultraman6970
05-23-2017, 10:07 AM
wow 2:17... this will be really close...

31 secs over quintana, not bad, the dutch saved the day.

chiasticon
05-23-2017, 10:08 AM
Yes, "dirty" was a poor choice of words in that context.it was a sh*tty move, either way.

abr5
05-23-2017, 10:08 AM
Odd. RAI stated the opposite, in fact complimented their sportsmanship as fair play for Dumoulin's gesture the other day.

The pace never slowed. Zakarin attacked two minutes after Dumoulin stopped. Bahrain pushed the pace a minute or so after Zakarin was brought back. I'd hardly consider that "waiting".

KJMUNC
05-23-2017, 10:15 AM
The pace never slowed. Zakarin attacked two minutes after Dumoulin stopped. Bahrain pushed the pace a minute or so after Zakarin was brought back. I'd hardly consider that "waiting".

Yep, that's what I saw......wouldn't expect RAI to give a balanced view when it was Pozzovivo sitting on the front "waiting" by riding tempo :no:

Not a Dumoulin fanboy but he rode a pretty heroic ride today to keep the maglia rosa. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the week but hopefully he can claw back some time in the ITT.

ultraman6970
05-23-2017, 10:17 AM
If this problem happened to any of the schlecks we could be hearing them complaining about having to pooh in the middle of the road, that the climbing was too steep, the downhill was too dangerous and that the other riders did not want to share the toys with them.

Honestly, the dutch have guts.

nooneline
05-23-2017, 10:22 AM
Honestly, the dutch have guts.

Unfortunately, today their function was on full display.

Vientomas
05-23-2017, 10:32 AM
Tom Dumoulin:
I just had problems, I needed to take a dump - I couldn’t hold it anymore. It was after the Stelvio I began to feel it in the downhill. I had to stop, it was not possible to continue anymore.

I had to fight and fight and fight, and take conclusions after the finish. That’s what I did. I’m very disappointed with today.

cadence90
05-23-2017, 10:49 AM
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cachagua
05-23-2017, 12:13 PM
A hard man would have just cut loose, and kept riding.

Guaranteed solo win. Who's gonna follow your wheel?

thegunner
05-23-2017, 12:18 PM
A hard man would have just cut loose, and kept riding.

Guaranteed solo win. Who's gonna follow your wheel?

cue boonen.

Yep, that's what I saw......wouldn't expect RAI to give a balanced view when it was Pozzovivo sitting on the front "waiting" by riding tempo :no:

Not a Dumoulin fanboy but he rode a pretty heroic ride today to keep the maglia rosa. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the week but hopefully he can claw back some time in the ITT.

didn't quintana even say he'd need a minute or so of buffer before he felt comfortable with the lead going into the final ITT?

Elefantino
05-23-2017, 04:49 PM
First off, it is not recommended that you eat breakfast, hop on your bike and immediately begin one of the world's great climbs. That's essentially what happened today as our hotel in downtown Bormio is just down the street from the beginning of the long slog up to the summit. But enough bitching.

(Actually, no, some more bitching. Turkish Airlines once again said they had no idea where my bike was/is. They contacted each airport along the way and no one knows. So, it's beginning to look like the Wilier with the horrendous 28T in the back is my fate for the week. That said, today was a day when a 28 wasn't bad. There were only a couple of places on the mountain where I wish I had more gears, particularly on the 13-14% part that comes after the multiple snow tunnels. But gearing up and standing and pedaling on Look Keos is easier than standing on my trusty Speedplay Xs. It's weird. Has me rethinking pedal choices.)

Scenery-wise, the Stelvio is - if you like mountains - easily the most scenic climb I've ever done. On one side is Switzerland Another, Austria. And because most of the road is exposed, rather than in trees, you can see the climb from way, way down. Beautiful, yet somewhat daunting.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/0ec9a1c68fda7fa9f34326f4b4fdc5a1.jpg

Also daunting is when you are passed by a backpack wearing man sprinting uphill ... on his feet. Yeah, running. This guy had passed others of our group who were behind me on the climb and all of us cursed him under our breath.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/d06462e9ee1288019fec63a22390553a.jpg

Anyway, after many minutes of pounding away made it to the top of the Stelvio, only slightly before the Giro riders. Ha.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/e185c903bab4b40169cf09132566fcb4.jpg

Stayed on top long enough to buy a new Stelvio kit and then to watch the leaders crest. Got this snap of Dumoulin et. al.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/39076062ca8a08e8d52da048620117ac.jpg

Then it was back downhill and this view.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/1388cebb9e437fedfd3bac290813c83c.jpg

Tomorrow, Passo Tonale and a three-hour transfer.



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m_sasso
05-23-2017, 05:45 PM
Very nice, hope they find your bike!

cadence90
05-23-2017, 07:36 PM
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weisan
05-23-2017, 09:22 PM
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cadence90
05-23-2017, 09:31 PM
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Tickdoc
05-23-2017, 09:33 PM
Wonderful pics! Been waiting all day on your update and it did nOt disappoint .

Rest up and if you think you like the keos, wait til you try shimano ( just don't tell weisan I use em ;)

ultraman6970
05-23-2017, 09:39 PM
Lets imagine the dutch is ok the next days and they cant get more than a minute out of him before the last stage. Then sure at the last stage he will get 1 minute or more back out of the ITT... this race wont be won till the last stage IMO.

Wish the TdF was like that, the race is boring like hell... giro and vuelta races way more fun to watch.

bobswire
05-23-2017, 09:48 PM
Lets imagine the dutch is ok the next days and they cant get more than a minute out of him before the last stage. Then sure at the last stage he will get 1 minute or more back out of the ITT... this race wont be won till the last stage IMO.

Wish the TdF was like that, the race is boring like hell... giro and vuelta races way more fun to watch.

No shirt.

trener1
05-23-2017, 09:51 PM
I guess we will have to wait and see, but if he isn't sick and it was just a one time thing, I think he can still win this thing, even if he comes into the TT a minute down he should still be able to win.
Once he took care of business he rode really strong, so it doesn't look like he totally cracked.

MattTuck
05-23-2017, 09:57 PM
that's a big effort to come back from in the coming days. I didn't catch the whole stage, and tuned in after the Dumoulin Dump. How much of his losses happened during the time he was stopped vs. once he was back on the bike?

I'm not sure if this is just an inopportune timing, or if it was a stomach bug or what... but he looked strong before the rest day. I'm hopeful he comes out the rest of this week and rides as strong as he was looking before today.

trener1
05-23-2017, 10:09 PM
About 1/2 was the actual stop and about 1/2 was while riding, but keep in mind that he was riding alone for a very long time, while the rest of the guys were pretty much riding with other people the whole time, so it's like comparing a TT to a RR in a sense, and another thing (from watching), is that he didn't "look" weak, he kept on catching a passing dropped riders the whole way.
And keep in mind that tomorrow is supposed to be a day for the sprinters so that kind of gives him an extra day to recover.

KJMUNC
05-23-2017, 10:15 PM
All I know after reading this is that we need more Elefantino updates from the Giro.....where's the new thread?!

Any it's not lost on me that your banana avatar is now pink.....chapeau.

chiasticon
05-24-2017, 06:38 AM
About 1/2 was the actual stop and about 1/2 was while riding, but keep in mind that he was riding alone for a very long time, while the rest of the guys were pretty much riding with other people the whole time, so it's like comparing a TT to a RR in a sense, and another thing (from watching), is that he didn't "look" weak, he kept on catching a passing dropped riders the whole way.it's almost fair to say that on the stage, he could've been number one, had he not been going number two. yeah, Tommy D certainly wouldn't have been dropped, had he not been dropping some D's.

(ok, I'll stop.)

seriously though, it was predicted he'd really start to struggle in the high mountains. and whether it was "I really can't let it go like this" after the incident, willing him forward, or that he's just that strong... we don't know.

oldpotatoe
05-24-2017, 09:29 AM
it's almost fair to say that on the stage, he could've been number one, had he not been going number two. yeah, Tommy D certainly wouldn't have been dropped, had he not been dropping some D's.

(ok, I'll stop.)

seriously though, it was predicted he'd really start to struggle in the high mountains. and whether it was "I really can't let it go like this" after the incident, willing him forward, or that he's just that strong... we don't know.

TJvG in the break, 10 minutes..30km to go..good day yesterday also..maybe he was sick?

ultraman6970
05-24-2017, 09:31 AM
Well this is the thing, even if he was sick, they wont tell... so who knows.

soulspinner
05-24-2017, 09:43 AM
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:d

oldpotatoe
05-24-2017, 09:53 AM
Cycletips article on Dumoulin's 'issue' yesterday and race 'etiquette'..

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/05/controversy-giro-ditalia-queen-stage-renews-question-race-etiquette-competitor-wait-gc-rival/

oldpotatoe
05-24-2017, 10:08 AM
Can('t)nondale finally gets a win..

ultraman6970
05-24-2017, 10:28 AM
True. And bmc looked pretty good today eh?

Elefantino
05-24-2017, 04:23 PM
Today we found out about Italian traffic. Namely, a) when the Italian road crews close a road that’s on the way to your start destination, you have to go over a mountain on a road that’s barely wide enough for your van and you arrive late to your start, and b) when the authorities close the tunnel that goes directly through the mountain to your destination, you have to take a two-hour detour along with every other Giro vehicle. Oh well, first-world problems, right?

The climb today was the Tonale, the first climb of the route and a Cat. 1. The back was acting up a bit today, a casualty of riding on a bike not meant or fitted for me, but it was a pretty climb nonetheless.

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Because of our detour we started only an hour ahead of the race with a 33k mostly uphill ride to the summit. Didn’t have time to take many pix because I was alone and hammering to avoid the Polizia, who were sweeping riders off the road below. I actually got swept off at one point with 3k to go, but when the moto cop disappeared ahead I got back on the road and jammed. I saw more Polizia with about 1k to go, but I think they took pity on me and let me finish the climb. I was, literally, the last bike allowed across the Tonale summit. It was fun standing and sprinting away from the cops and getting a big cheer from the crowd!

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A little while later the lead group came over the top, led by eventual winner Roland.

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After the riders passed we had lunch and then started the loooooong slog to our overnight town, Campitello di Fassa. On the way we passed the Val Gardena ski resort (monstrous … huge) and some of the most amazing scenery I’ve ever been around. We even saw the podium girls stopped by the side of the road taking pictures; I wanted to get out and get some of my own (with them) but was overruled by the rest of the van and, of course, the boss!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170524/cabfd866a1031367fd76a540b43a72ae.jpg

Tomorrow we ride to the finish in Ortisei and get the VIP treatment on the podium. Maybe a kiss or two then?


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homagesilkhope
05-24-2017, 05:24 PM
Today we found out about Italian traffic. Namely, a) when the Italian road crews close a road that’s on the way to your start destination, you have to go over a mountain on a road that’s barely wide enough for your van and you arrive late to your start

Sounds as if you took the "short cut" over the Gavia, then drove from Ponte di Legno down the valley to your start in Edolo. Guess this means you can the check the Gavia off your list!

Elefantino
05-25-2017, 01:02 AM
This just in ... the Look has been found! It arrived in Milan late last night. Unfortunately, it won't be to me until tomorrow night, after the Piancavallo finish.

Swell.

cadence90
05-25-2017, 01:31 AM
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chiasticon
05-25-2017, 07:25 AM
love this quote from Simon Geschke, teammate of Dumoulin: "He was disappointed to lose time on a good day but if you look at it the other way around, they were only able to gain time on him when he stops to sh*t." :hello:

we'll see what today brings though!

oldpotatoe
05-25-2017, 07:41 AM
Big, but shortish day...big mountains..Quintana with 5 team mates, Dumoulin with 4..Nibs with 1...

cadence90
05-25-2017, 08:00 AM
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trener1
05-25-2017, 08:12 AM
Anywhere to watch it? looks like Tiz has bit the dust.

oldpotatoe
05-25-2017, 08:14 AM
Anywhere to watch it? looks like Tiz has bit the dust.

Nope, watching TIZ right now.

http://tiz-cycling.racing/live/

cadence90
05-25-2017, 08:18 AM
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oldpotatoe
05-25-2017, 08:25 AM
Nope, watching TIZ right now.

http://tiz-cycling.racing/live/

ooops, just crumped..RAI2, in Italian tho..

TJ climbing with the big boys..last 3 days too.

cadence90
05-25-2017, 08:28 AM
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cadence90
05-25-2017, 08:36 AM
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oldpotatoe
05-25-2017, 08:38 AM
Hey, you're fluent, are you not?

I mean, "Qui Si Parla Campagnolo...".

:)

'Google translate'..

Quintana attacks.

Quintana attacchi, Nibali e Dumoulin non seguono

cadence90
05-25-2017, 08:44 AM
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ptourkin
05-25-2017, 08:46 AM
What are these things?

Not all the bikes have them.
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Telemetry. Eurosport did an explainer at some point. Sometimes they post the data.

bobswire
05-25-2017, 09:06 AM
This French stream is excellent but you'll have to pause ad block. https://www.firstonetv.eu/Live/France/L'%C3%89quipe-21--27

MattTuck
05-25-2017, 09:11 AM
bike racing is awesome. I'm cheering for dumoulin. I dislike grand tours being won by specialized super climbers. Hoping he can pull it out.

MattTuck
05-25-2017, 09:12 AM
***. a confederate flag?

chiasticon
05-25-2017, 09:27 AM
Telemetry. Eurosport did an explainer at some point. Sometimes they post the data.it's awesome to watch the data in the video feeds. you can also view it via web browser at http://www.giroditalia.it/eng/live/?refresh_ce-cp

chiasticon
05-25-2017, 09:32 AM
I'm cheering for dumoulin. I dislike grand tours being won by specialized super climbers. Hoping he can pull it out.same. it's especially interesting in the current situation, to me, because in the past few years Tours, there's been situations where one or two teams will have two or three guys each in the top ten. makes it SUPER difficult if the GC leader is isolated, because he has to chase all of them. but it also makes it so that one team (you know who) will just drill out a ridiculous pace on the front, to keep the isolation or attacks from occurring. current situation is more open to anything happening, really. but it also means Dumoulin has a good chance of holding on, even without teammates up there with him.

ultraman6970
05-25-2017, 09:40 AM
Landa's pedaling looks a lot more fluid than Tj's...

MattTuck
05-25-2017, 09:49 AM
Agreed, but you've got to pull for TJ.

ultraman6970
05-25-2017, 10:04 AM
bmc saved the giro.

Quintana was dead today, if TD pulls a hat trick he might drop him in the next 2 days.

Pinot and zakarin still can podium. Evne pozzovivo still can podium.

jlwdm
05-25-2017, 10:15 AM
Agreed, but you've got to pull for TJ.

I did not have to.

Jeff

cadence90
05-25-2017, 10:32 AM
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ultraman6970
05-25-2017, 11:22 AM
I have to agree. IMO the ones that screwed it today was quintana and nibali. Now they gonna have to cover TD and the other guys that got time back today all can climb and TT some way or another.

At some point I thought TD was going to just get rid off everybody going TT mode uphill in the last 5 km or so. Quintana doesnt have the legs and Squalo is at his limits. Remember that the only one with a team that worth is Quintana so based on that Quintana is at his limits at this point of the race. Nibali can TT better than quintana and probably he will wait till the last day to cement his podium because so far today I do not see them chipping the seconds needed in the next 2 days to win the race. The last mountain day will be the key, because quintana needs at least 30 to 45 seconds ahead before sunday.

TD wins or not? what do you guys think?

Anarchist
05-25-2017, 11:38 AM
Agreed, but you've got to pull for TJ.

Why? .

MattTuck
05-25-2017, 11:50 AM
Why? .

Because he animated the race, was in the hunt for his first GT stage win after years of bad luck, as a follow up to Cannondale's stage win yesterday (US teams having some success is a net positive for US cycling, I'd say), it is bike racing and you reward those who put themselves out there with your appreciation?

I dunno, other than it being 'cool' to treat him as the whipping boy of US riders in the protour, why wouldn't you?

guido
05-25-2017, 11:55 AM
TJ rode a great race and took the sprint with a nice move. Definitely deserves props.

trener1
05-25-2017, 12:15 PM
TJ has done nothing but whined and blown loads of hot air the last few years, don't see any reason to root for him at all.
I'm a much bigger fan of guys like Brent Bookwalter and Ian Boswell and such.

Elefantino
05-25-2017, 04:01 PM
The second-to-last climbing day will be remembered for an 8k downhill with big, wide, sweeping, on-camber turns that made going 80.6 kph (so says the Garmin … which, if true, makes me faster than Dombrowski!) seem easy. Just a delightful ride, the last 45k of the race course. That meant that I was able to scout out ahead of time where Quintana and Nibali needed to attack. And Quintana did go at the precise point I thought he would, but he ran out of gas and/or courage.

Some beautiful scenery along the way, very "Sound of Music” reminiscent.

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The last climb was short and stiff, with some 14 percent ramps. Hooked up with a couple of riders from Naples and we rode mostly together until the summit, 4.5k from the finish. From there it was an easy uphill to the village of Ortisei and then mostly downhill and flat, with some cobbles, to the finish.

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Our viewing vantage point was the last hospitality trailer at the 50-meter mark from the finish. But before that we got to ride the closed course from the 450-meter mark to the line and have pictures taken with the podium and podium girls. However, when I asked they said they were not allowed to kiss us. Damn.

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Got to watch Tejay’s sprint from close up; good on him. Hopefully this will make him a little less of a whiner.

Tomorrow we have the last mountain finish and our last climb, the Piancavallo.


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Tickdoc
05-26-2017, 08:06 AM
Anyone else getting kicked off of tiz cycling feed?

I keep getting a host error and my feed stops. :crap:

trener1
05-26-2017, 08:48 AM
I was getting that yesterday I haven't tried yet today.

joev
05-26-2017, 08:50 AM
Yes...today I have lost the connection frequently. I don't even see the "backup" screen. Frustrating...but it's free so I can't complain too much. ProcyclingLive is down and all I'd seen on Steephill was foreign feed. Those usually have a lot of pop-ups.

oldpotatoe
05-26-2017, 08:52 AM
Yes...today I have lost the connection frequently. I don't even see the "backup" screen. Frustrating...but it's free so I can't complain too much. ProcyclingLive is down and all I'd seen on Steephill was foreign feed. Those usually have a lot of pop-ups.

working for me

http://tiz-cycling.racing/livestream/

wpod
05-26-2017, 09:09 AM
TLZ down for me here in Baja Sur for last couple days. Watching via Eurosport TV online here (http://firstrowca.eu/watch/543797/1/watch-cycling-:-giro-d-italia.html)

Bwana
05-26-2017, 09:22 AM
This youtube live stream is pretty good, until it gets shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJdRPgP0Iog


When Tiz is down, search youtube for "etapa" + the stage number and usually a couple live streams pop up. You might have to jump around to different streams as they get shut down fairly quickly.
Most are not in english, but I'm watching at work with no sound on anyway.

ultraman6970
05-26-2017, 09:29 AM
I think one of the commentators is perico delgado.

This youtube live stream is pretty good, until it gets shut down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJdRPgP0Iog


When Tiz is down, search youtube for "etapa" + the stage number and usually a couple live streams pop up. You might have to jump around to different streams as they get shut down fairly quickly.
Most are not in english, but I'm watching at work with no sound on anyway.

swaterfall
05-26-2017, 09:38 AM
The Rai2 feed from steep hill is great, if you don't mind listening in Italian.

ultraman6970
05-26-2017, 09:42 AM
Dang!

Keith A
05-26-2017, 10:00 AM
Landa finally gets his stage win.

oldpotatoe
05-26-2017, 10:01 AM
The Rai2 feed from steep hill is great, if you don't mind listening in Italian.

Far Superior Italian Language....:p

ultraman6970
05-26-2017, 10:10 AM
Hmmm The dutch is still my fav to win this thing.

tv_vt
05-26-2017, 10:12 AM
Wow!! That was a stage!

Kudos to Landa!

KJMUNC
05-26-2017, 10:18 AM
looks like we might have a '89 Paris TdF style finish on our hands.

Final ITT is 27km, about 10km shorter than the one in which Dumoulin put >2min into Quintana.

He's only up by 38sec.....tomorrow shouldn't see any more gaps, but you never know. If Quintana attacks hard tomorrow he might be toast for the ITT, where losing time is arguably a bigger threat, as it's over a longer distance.

Should be a great finish either way!!

PepeM
05-26-2017, 10:28 AM
Final ITT is 27km, about 10km shorter than the one in which Dumoulin put >2min into Quintana.

Much flatter though.

tv_vt
05-26-2017, 10:36 AM
Four riders within 53 seconds with two stages to go in a three week race - that's amazing!

stien
05-26-2017, 10:37 AM
Pinot can taste it!

ultraman6970
05-26-2017, 12:06 PM
Flatter is even worse... 38 secs wont be enough if TD have a great day in the ITT. UP and down ITT at least quintana has more chances but flat? not good for him.

The biggest difference between quintana and td is that TD looks like can get strength out of nowhere but when quintana is done he is just done.

Just looking at the positions my bets are that mollema and zakarin tomorrow will play all or nothing to get a shot on sunday's ITT. Not counting in pozzovivo because he really cant TT but who knows.

IMO the only thing TD needs to do tomorrow is just stay there and do not chase anybody because he is the only one from top 10 that really can take time back from everybody, meanwhile quintana and even nibali gonna have to get more time plus respond to the attacks of the other guys. If TD doesnt get dropped at monte grappa he will be ok because probably will happen the same than today, quintana, nibali and pretty much everybody dead at the foza climb.

Much flatter though.

trener1
05-26-2017, 12:32 PM
If everyone's legs are the same tomorrow as they were today (big "if" I know).
Then I can easily see TD taking back pink in the TT and both Pinot and Nibali passing Quintana for the podium...
Pinot has been looking very good the last 2 days, heck he might even pass Nibali.

ultraman6970
05-26-2017, 12:39 PM
Pinot was the only descent attack today.

auto_rock
05-26-2017, 01:09 PM
Who was it who played dodgeball with their bidon today?

ultraman6970
05-26-2017, 03:57 PM
Alafaci... to sutherland.

Elefantino
05-26-2017, 04:32 PM
The Piancavallo climb was tough. We did a 31k warm-up before we hit it and boom, immediately double digits began flickering on the Garmin grade window.

More beautiful scenery on the day. Water the color of aquamarines. Gorgeous crags. Typical Dolomites!

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But the climb. They warned us it was going to be a toughie and it was, but not as hard as Mortirolo or as long as Stelvio. Lots of riders massed at the bottom waiting to get psyched to start.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170526/f7b3cb6c5747345434ebbab029bb36e0.jpg

You rise pretty quickly and get a good view of the valley.

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Once at the top we changed clothes and settled in to today's viewing spot, right on the start/finish line.

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The only non-video I took from up there was of Dumoulin limping home. But I think he'll still be good to grab back pink in Milan, assuming he doesn't bonk tomorrow.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170526/65d17b41f9439ce68b40663fef446c8b.jpg

After the stage we took a helicopter from the finish area to our next hotel. Not a bad day!

cadence90
05-26-2017, 06:02 PM
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cadence90
05-27-2017, 06:11 AM
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cadence90
05-27-2017, 06:32 AM
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ultraman6970
05-27-2017, 06:43 AM
Thats exactly what sutherland was implying.

I thought Alafaci would be kicked out; instead only a 1-minute penalty and 200 Swiss Francs fine. Crazy.

cadence90
05-27-2017, 06:53 AM
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ultraman6970
05-27-2017, 06:53 AM
One thing is sure today, sunweb team has to shine as never before.

weisan
05-27-2017, 07:38 AM
Tom Dumoulin is a worthy winner for this year's Giro and possibly for a couple more grand tours in the years to come.

ultraman6970
05-27-2017, 08:33 AM
I do not see Quintana that good today, same with nibali...in a matter of fact katusha did great neutralizing movistar, wonder if their plan is just do not loss time today and gambling in the ITT because pretty much everybody but pozovivo might get minute to 2 minutes out of quintana tomorrow.

hokoman
05-27-2017, 08:36 AM
I do not see Quintana that good today, same with nibali...in a matter of fact katusha did great neutralizing movistar, wonder if their plan is just do not loss time today and gambling in the ITT because pretty much everybody but pozovivo might get minute to 2 minutes out of quintana tomorrow.

There is still a looooong ways to go. Hard to say how everyone is feeling.

oldpotatoe
05-27-2017, 09:21 AM
Tiz sneakers up..just got online with this

http://rai2.web.tv/

In Italian..don't see Dumoulin, last climb..Nibs with Quintana..

attacks coming fast, 22km to go..from the top 6..very exciting

cadence90
05-27-2017, 09:46 AM
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galgal
05-27-2017, 10:18 AM
Allez Thibault!

bobswire
05-27-2017, 10:27 AM
I really think Quintana,Nibali and Pinot worked together hoping to secure a podium place to deny Dumoulin a spot but I think Dumoulin just might pull it out tomorrow, I'm rooting for him. Whether he gets the top step or not is to be determined but he'll secure one of those steps.

fa63
05-27-2017, 10:33 AM
It is the last stage of a tough three-week race, I suppose anything could happen.

That said, it is a flat route; Quintana is probably going to lose maybe a minute or more to Domoulin. Not sure Pinot or Nibali can beat him either. So barring a mechanical or an accident, I suspect things are looking good for TD.

bobswire
05-27-2017, 10:37 AM
It is the last stage of a tough three-week race, I suppose anything could happen.

That said, it is a flat route; Quintana is probably going to lose maybe a minute or more to Domoulin. Not sure Pinot or Nibali can beat him either. So barring a mechanical or an accident, I suspect things are looking good for TD.

Final placing. ;) Quintana plays it too safe and never seems to sustain an attack, keeps him from beating someone like Froome.

1) Dumoulin
2) Nibali
3) Pinot

fa63
05-27-2017, 11:05 AM
Quintana plays it too safe and never seems to sustain an attack, keeps him from beating someone like Froome.

I know what you mean, but I think this is easier said than done. The pace on the climbs is already high, then trying to attack and sustain that to take out significant time on your rivals takes a special effort, which would be tough to repeat day after day, especially during the third week of a grand tour.

These types of efforts seems to be getting less and less frequent, which makes me think that the sport is cleaner now. No more of that EPO-fueled USPS team time trials up the mountains (well, Team Sky does it to a certain extent, but nowhere near the heydays of the USPS team).

ultraman6970
05-27-2017, 11:39 AM
Quintana and nibali failed yesterday to put distance from TD, they had the chance and nobody pulled...I do get that probably is because they were running empty but at that point of the race you have to do as hinault, they lacked the contador's vision of a race.

If nothing happens to TD tomorrow my final podium will be...

TD,pinot Nibali.

Even could be..

TD, pinot and then zacarin if zacarin if he has a good day tomorrow but I do not see quintana even making to the podium, IMO he will get like 5th place.

cadence90
05-27-2017, 11:50 AM
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Tickdoc
05-27-2017, 12:02 PM
I am rooting for TD. More than anyone else this year he's shown courage, class, strength, tactics...he's the $hit.

numbskull
05-27-2017, 12:55 PM
I am rooting for TD. More than anyone else this year he's shown courage, class, strength, tactics....

I've enjoyed watching him race as well and hope he earns the victory tomorrow.

Pelican
05-27-2017, 02:02 PM
So many Quintana doubters/haters, but I'm hoping he stays in pink.

Elefantino
05-27-2017, 04:09 PM
Great day to watch a start. Rode through some beautiful prosecco country in the a.m.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170527/27992c623eed3aa85a32716770f1c5ae.jpg
Then got to the start line. Our VIP area wss right next to the sign-in so a lot of riders came in to sit awhile.
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Tomorrow we'll be right on the finish line. Dumoulin wins


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oldpotatoe
05-27-2017, 05:23 PM
Dumoulin
Quintana
Nibs

hokoman
05-27-2017, 05:47 PM
Awesome pics!!! Wish I was there!

colbyh
05-27-2017, 05:50 PM
Dumoulin
Pinot
Nibali

I think Quintana is tired, Pinot and Nibali can TT pretty well when they need to and they seem to have a bit more punch at the moment.

Though it's worth noting that the last time all of these riders rode an ITT (2015 TDF stage 1) the spread between the four was ~20 seconds. The first stage of a grand tour is obviously way different than the last one, but if TD doesn't have a great day tomorrow he might find himself off the podium at the end of it all.

jlwdm
05-27-2017, 06:16 PM
Dumoulin
Pinot
Nibali

I think Quintana is tired, Pinot and Nibali can TT pretty well when they need to and they seem to have a bit more punch at the moment.

Though it's worth noting that the last time all of these riders rode an ITT (2015 TDF stage 1) the spread between the four was ~20 seconds. The first stage of a grand tour is obviously way different than the last one, but if TD doesn't have a great day tomorrow he might find himself off the podium at the end of it all.

Stage 1 of the 2015 TDF was also half the distance of the Giro's final ITT.

Jeff

colbyh
05-27-2017, 08:05 PM
Stage 1 of the 2015 TDF was also half the distance of the Giro's final ITT.

Jeff

very good point! was flipping between stats and completely missed that. tomorrow is going to be quite interesting no matter what happens.

ultraman6970
05-27-2017, 08:14 PM
Is not about that IMO, it is a reality check... somebody mentioned the 2015 TdF, in 15 km TD took like a minute out of quintana and 30 secs out of nibali and pinot, but is not the same 15 km than 30 km flat, neither the same race for the stage than race for the GC, the other problem is that is the last stage not the 1st one.

At some point even quintana made his math and he knows his limits and what he can or can not do, he more than nobody depends on how bad the other guys could do tomorrow, thats a lot of pressure. In the case of TD and even nibali... if they do normal they will podium because in paper they should get time back off quintana. The little thing here is that Pinot and zakari are not dead bodies and they will get time back aswell.

The other thing you might not seen is that NQ coudlnt get rid off TD, he had at least 2 hours of riding in the last 3 days to kill TD and they couldnt, the diarrhea day was a chance contador would have used to kill him even if he had to take everybody at his wheel... yesterday the same, today was the same... if he couldnt means that he was running empty, same with nibali... the other factor is that sometimes the tactics in movistar are just understandeable. Years ago in the vuelta purito and valverde did not want to pull with contador to get rid off froome, as result of that day I think purito got off the podium... team tactics...

So is not that I (want to use we) hate or doubt the colombian, but is just a reality check... the spanish comentators were saying the same thing... the colombian really can't give no more in this race or he could had at least 3 or 4 minutes ahead already and TD would be off the picture since the Schittttzz day.

So many Quintana doubters/haters, but I'm hoping he stays in pink.

Macadamia
05-27-2017, 09:35 PM
nibali top step, after nairo loses a bunch of time and dumoulin crashes into a gelato stand

enr1co
05-28-2017, 07:23 AM
Dumoulin
Pinot
Quintana

A sentimental hope that Quintana is able to pull off the time trial of his life to maintain a podiom spot.

oldpotatoe
05-28-2017, 07:28 AM
Dumoulin
Pinot
Quintana

A sentimental hope that Quintana is able to pull off the time trial of his life to maintain a podiom spot.

Gota bet with a local guy, I have NQ, he has Nibs, whomever finishes highest.

39 seconds..hope NQ can pull t off. I think Dumoulin will win it..think Nibs and NQ on podium..happening now..

ultraman6970
05-28-2017, 07:36 AM
We are seeing averages close to 50 km/h but is people that is so back in the gc that they arent going full gas anyways. This thing will be won with like 55 km/h...

Keith A
05-28-2017, 07:38 AM
Any idea of the start times for the GC contenders?

fa63
05-28-2017, 07:41 AM
I think Quintana rolls out at around 5 pm local time.

oldpotatoe
05-28-2017, 07:41 AM
Any idea of the start times for the GC contenders?

160 riders, one minute intervals, about 20 so far...about 2 hours I'd say..ITT like watching paint dry...

104th guy sperry..just left..about 90 minutes

nooneline
05-28-2017, 07:46 AM
Any idea of the start times for the GC contenders?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2017-giro-ditalia-stage-21-time-trial-start-times/

kramnnim
05-28-2017, 07:52 AM
Would love it if Tom, Thibaut and Zak finished as the top three.

cadence90
05-28-2017, 07:58 AM
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cadence90
05-28-2017, 08:36 AM
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godukes
05-28-2017, 08:45 AM
Totally agree on watching ITTs - something I never ever do. Even a huge fan it's a bore.

With 6 riders with 90 seconds and 4 within a minute seems to me the Tour really needs to change their format. The giro has consistently been a better race from a fan's perspective for a long time.

Macadamia
05-28-2017, 08:49 AM
I would love this. I'm not a Quintana/Dumoulin fan. I just don't see the Dumoulin "class" that some speak of...he is a cocky whiner to me; and Quintana has zero personality. It sure seems that the peloton these days doesn't have many real characters at the top, riders like Bettini, etc.

I'd be happy with Dumoulin, it's just that I've been predicting a Nibali repeat here for a month, but agreed about Quintana

cadence90
05-28-2017, 08:58 AM
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Lovetoclimb
05-28-2017, 09:10 AM
and the TIZ site just cut out completely :help:

abr5
05-28-2017, 09:11 AM
for those looking for a stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5yr7l_izlA&feature=youtu.be

Web1111a
05-28-2017, 09:12 AM
Been watching the rai feed that is posted here

Maybe if I watched it all month I would understand more italien

Web1111a
05-28-2017, 09:13 AM
RAI just had a good interview with Alberto Masi talking about Vigorelli, his history with racers, and building steel frames. Very nice.

Gawd, this ITT is like molasses.... Not a good way to finish a GT.

Shame no subtitles

cadence90
05-28-2017, 09:15 AM
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Web1111a
05-28-2017, 09:18 AM
for those looking for a stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5yr7l_izlA&feature=youtu.be

Lols very low resolution

abr5
05-28-2017, 09:19 AM
Lols very low resolution

720p for me...

aingeru
05-28-2017, 09:51 AM
german eurosport just said Dumoulin mounted a 58x11...

cadence90
05-28-2017, 10:04 AM
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fa63
05-28-2017, 10:06 AM
From the Cycling News live feed:

"Italian television reported that Dumoulin was going at an average speed of over 60kph in the opening kilometres"

To the SI unit challenged, that is 37.5 mph.

:eek:

MaraudingWalrus
05-28-2017, 10:10 AM
There's some craziness happening. Tom seems to have a ~58t big ring. Insanity!

Loving today. Getting to watch this, Monaco, and the Indy500 is a nice day!

swaterfall
05-28-2017, 10:19 AM
Quintana looks terribly uncomfortable on his aero bike.

cadence90
05-28-2017, 10:19 AM
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geordanh
05-28-2017, 10:25 AM
Seriously entertaining

Tickdoc
05-28-2017, 10:32 AM
Great finish to a very exciting year!

rnhood
05-28-2017, 10:33 AM
Remarkable how well Dumoulin rode given his size, and the number of mountain stages. He gave it all he had, and it was just enough.

swaterfall
05-28-2017, 10:33 AM
Less than 50 pedal revolutions was the difference. That's crazy.

fa63
05-28-2017, 10:40 AM
When you think about it though, without the diarrhea incident, TD would have won by 2+ minutes. Pretty incredible given how mountainous the course was.

I will look forward to watching TD at the TdF, but I don't think he has the team to pull it off there.

Tickdoc
05-28-2017, 10:49 AM
Alternate view

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/lombardia/milano/duomo-milano.html

enr1co
05-28-2017, 10:51 AM
Great race- love the Giro!

Thanks for all the stream links fellas!

Elefantino- look forward to more of your trip pics/stories. What a great experience!

Lovetoclimb
05-28-2017, 11:08 AM
A grand tour winner to believe in!

Elefantino
05-28-2017, 11:28 AM
What a finish. The only hiccup was Pinot, who totally crapped out. But Dumoulin was amazing, earning the win that was rightfully his.

My wife and I were standing behind Dumoulin's lady and he threw the flowers right at us. Also, we were sprayed with prosecco.

All in all, a remarkable race and trip!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/c5ba14c54ec41683095c094d49df3109.jpg
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Elefantino
05-28-2017, 11:31 AM
Oh, and I got to meet a celeb!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/6ac24b9cd4c7f61297dc78f7ad047a2f.jpg

Clean39T
05-28-2017, 11:33 AM
Oh, and I got to meet a celeb!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/27b14e697580662da4a2815620750484.jpg

You sir are doing this whole "life" thing right :beer:

I need to start diverting funds to a european bike racing vacation piggy-bank...

bobswire
05-28-2017, 11:35 AM
What a finish. The only hiccup was Pinot, who totally crapped out. But Dumoulin was amazing, earning the win that was rightfully his.

My wife and I were standing behind Dumoulin's lady and he threw the flowers right at us. Also, we were sprayed with prosecco.

All in all, a remarkable race and trip!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/c5ba14c54ec41683095c094d49df3109.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/6a589e50f16769fef006852ff135e825.jpg
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You picked a good year to visit the Giro, cool photos and worth framing. I expected Pinot to have a much better TT.

cadence90
05-28-2017, 11:52 AM
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enr1co
05-28-2017, 12:19 PM
Oh, and I got to meet a celeb!
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/27b14e697580662da4a2815620750484.jpg

dayuum E- experiencing the Giro 100th like a Boss!

MattTuck
05-28-2017, 12:38 PM
Went for a ride instead of watching the TT, but am extremely happy with the result. 70 mostly flat kilometers (43 miles) of individual time trials seemed to be the appropriate balance for all the climbing in this year's giro.

As is well documented in these pages, I think more and longer time trials is part of making more exciting grand tours with a more balanced route that doesn't overly favor the climbing specialists.

Looking back at the tour and giro over the last few years, I see the tour had 65 km in 2013. and 68km in the 2014 Giro, but those are toward the higher end of recent editions. If organizers want to put in lots of mountains and mountain top finishes, I'd be happy to see 100km of TT (split up between team and ITT).

It is, after all the tour de france - not tour de mountains de france, or giro di mountains d'italia. Would like to see equal chances for gaps for the fast men and the climbers.

ultraman6970
05-28-2017, 01:28 PM
elefantino I envy you so much :) Thanks a lot for the pictures tho :)

Well it happened what it should be, I was totally thinking that pinot or zacarin were going to be able to pull off a podium hat trick and I feel bad for them, next year I guess???

Now TD needs to focus in the tour??? Love contador but I do not think he might be able to pull it off this year, TD could but all depends of crazy legs froome aswell, which doent look will be able to do something this year after all the doping allegations with his team but who knows... For the tour TD needs to get Kelderman back, but who knows... I think we are back to a generation of riders that do not need super team to win races, which makes things more entertained.

Will be waiting for the Tour now...

Buzz
05-28-2017, 02:46 PM
Thanks for sharing. You did it right. In a month taking my daughters to Dolomites for riding and passing it along to the next generation...

Enjoy the rest of your adventure.

What a finish. The only hiccup was Pinot, who totally crapped out. But Dumoulin was amazing, earning the win that was rightfully his.

My wife and I were standing behind Dumoulin's lady and he threw the flowers right at us. Also, we were sprayed with prosecco.

All in all, a remarkable race and trip!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/c5ba14c54ec41683095c094d49df3109.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/6a589e50f16769fef006852ff135e825.jpg
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gasman
05-28-2017, 04:11 PM
All in all, a remarkable race and trip!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/c5ba14c54ec41683095c094d49df3109.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/6a589e50f16769fef006852ff135e825.jpg
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I can't imagine a better trip ! Thanks for sharing the photos.

AllanVarcoe
05-29-2017, 12:37 AM
What are these things?

Not all the bikes have them.
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At my last job I made mounts for GoPro to stick the camera out further than these transponders. I made 20 of them and they got anodized and literally got flown directly to the Tour De France. Yes, I made an extra and kept one. :)

What a great Giro BTW!!!!! Imagine of Dumolin never pooped.