Mavic Open Pro Exalith 2017

[doomridesout]

What y'all know about this? Suddenly I want a new wheelset...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRY9NsPAPsL/?taken-by=jonesprecisionwheels

[velotrack]

22.5 outer, 18.5 inner.
I'm sure Jones can spill a bit more info about it. A lot of the SB kids seem to have his wheels...

[mktng]

This is good!
I've always loved the Open Pro rims.
Time to look into hubs for new wheels soon!

[Cicli]

My wife has a set of Mavics with that coating. The braking is excellent although a bit noisey. They grind through Kool stop pads and the Mavic pads are expensive.

[sparky33]

22.5 outer, 18.5 inner.

Updating an ancient rim to still-outdated standards?

What am I missing here?

[tuscanyswe]

Hmm so i have 2 set of wheels that could use these rims as both are dying. I like them!

[beeatnik]

Updating an ancient rim to still-outdated standards?

What am I missing here?

haha, ya, they should have made them 650b and 30mm wide. so they can look super hot with those bicycle quarterly tyres.

[AngryScientist]

i will absolutely be buying a set of these. excellent news.

[pdmtong]

What y'all know about this? Suddenly I want a new wheelset...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRY9NsPAPsL/?taken-by=jonesprecisionwheels

I hope they also have some plans to DROP the price of exalaith brake pads, which are currently $100 for a set of four pads (one bike) at competitive cyclist (https://www.competitivecyclist.com/mavic-exalith-ii-brake-pads?skid=MAV0510-ONECOL-CAM&CMP_SKU=MAV0510&MER=0406&CMP_ID=PLA_GOc014&mv_pc=r101&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PLA&CSPID=0914&mr:trackingCode=60790F19-00D8-E211-B197-001B21BCB944&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&mr:ad=81822233821&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:tid=pla-276902806042&mr:ploc=9031914&mr:iloc=&mr:store=&mr:filter=276902806042&gclid=CMXf5-GbyNICFUKUfgodZXwJCg&gclsrc=aw.ds) and bike tires direct (https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/mavic-exalith-2-brake-pads?v=shim000&adl=1&gclid=CNn_4P6byNICFUuSfgodRMYOgw), to name a few

[AngryScientist]

I hope they also have some plans to DROP the price of exalaith brake pads,

brake the rules.

swiss stop blue

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61n79Vw63NL._SL1000_.jpg

[vqdriver]

I like the option. Might be an old model, but i they were a favorite around here for a loooong time. Remember when joe young lacing up open pros was the fad??

My 32h hubs are in need of some new rims.

Buuuut.. 100 for new pads seems absurd.

[Teletori]

Anyone know if they plan on doing the Tubular version in Exalith as well?

[alexstar]

I'm sold. Old rim but still good. I have the standard open pro and the ceramic version on a few bikes, and the exalith treatment is very welcome.

[simonov]

My wife has a set of Mavics with that coating. The braking is excellent although a bit noisey. They grind through Kool stop pads and the Mavic pads are expensive.

The Mavic pads last a very long time once the rim has "worn in", so you may come out ahead in the end.

[oldpotatoe]

What y'all know about this? Suddenly I want a new wheelset...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRY9NsPAPsL/?taken-by=jonesprecisionwheels

They fix the noisy wedge and eyelets?

[soulspinner]

They fix the noisy wedge and eyelets?

Ya mine were noisy. Drove me nuts( ok it was a short drive):bike:

[tuscanyswe]

i have 2 sets of OP currently and have had a guesstimate of 4 or 5 more sets. Neither have had any faults or noise that i can recall. (tho i have heard about the noise complaint before).

[geordanh]

These look soooo sweet. I've been wanting a wide alu set of all black rims for ages. The HED black ardennes are ridiculously overpriced.

[dbnm]

I saw these on some new Stinner bikes at NAHBS. Really nice!

[oldpotatoe]

These look soooo sweet. I've been wanting a wide alu set of all black rims for ages. The HED black ardennes are ridiculously overpriced.

H+Son Archetypes, Velocity A23, DT440..to name just a few.

For BlackDog right below..yup, agree 100%..no mavic for me-to use or build.

[Black Dog]

Did everyone just loose their minds? There are so many great rims that check all the boxes that these rims do and more. Rims that eat normal pads or need expensive propriatary pads and are loud while braking...hmmm There must be a deep emotional attachment to the past that has everyone ready to drink the new flavoured Kool-aid. :D

[geordanh]

Did everyone just loose their minds? There are so many great rims that check all the boxes that these rims do and more. Rims that eat normal pads or need expensive propriatary pads and are loud while braking...hmmm There must be a deep emotional attachment to the past that has everyone ready to drink the new flavoured Kool-aid. :D



There are no other off the shelf rim only aluminum options where the brake track will stay dark coloured after extended use. The anodizing or paint on other rims will always wear off after a couple rides. Exalith doesn't last forever, but looks sweet for a long time usually.

I know I'm not the only vain sucker that thinks all black wheels look sweet. :)


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[tuscanyswe]

There are no other off the shelf rim only aluminum options where the brake track will stay dark coloured after extended use. The anodizing or paint on other rims will always wear off after a couple rides. Exalting doesn't last forever, but looks sweet for a long time usually.

I know I'm not the only vain sucker that thinks all black wheels look sweet. :)


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Thats def part of the reason i buy carbon wheels, the only wheels that stay black so i agree. I will buy these when they come out no doubt.

[ergott]

Exalith doesn't last forever, but looks sweet for a long time usually.

I know I'm not the only vain sucker that thinks all black wheels look sweet. :)


Then what? Are people going to start unloading wheels when the coating wears off? The wheels will only be beginning to wear out like a standard rim meaning they will have 10-20k miles of more life in them.

[Black Dog]

There are no other off the shelf rim only aluminum options where the brake track will stay dark coloured after extended use. The anodizing or paint on other rims will always wear off after a couple rides. Exalith doesn't last forever, but looks sweet for a long time usually.

I know I'm not the only vain sucker that thinks all black wheels look sweet. :)


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True. Mavic has just invented the black rim. Just wait it will not be long before other rim makers start producing a black rim. 😉 This is all fun. Just bikes not a cure for genital worts.

[Robbos]

I hope they also have some plans to DROP the price of exalaith brake pads, which are currently $100 for a set of four pads (one bike) at competitive cyclist (https://www.competitivecyclist.com/mavic-exalith-ii-brake-pads?skid=MAV0510-ONECOL-CAM&CMP_SKU=MAV0510&MER=0406&CMP_ID=PLA_GOc014&mv_pc=r101&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PLA&CSPID=0914&mr:trackingCode=60790F19-00D8-E211-B197-001B21BCB944&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&mr:ad=81822233821&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:tid=pla-276902806042&mr:ploc=9031914&mr:iloc=&mr:store=&mr:filter=276902806042&gclid=CMXf5-GbyNICFUKUfgodZXwJCg&gclsrc=aw.ds) and bike tires direct (https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/mavic-exalith-2-brake-pads?v=shim000&adl=1&gclid=CNn_4P6byNICFUuSfgodRMYOgw), to name a few

That, quite frankly, is insane.

[mktng]

That, quite frankly, is insane.
Yea. I read the same
Just give me a wider version of the current open pro's. Toss the silly proprietary pads.

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[simonov]

Exalith isn't just to make black rims. The braking is superior to standard aluminum braking, which is, in turn, superior to carbon rim braking. They also happen to be black, which looks nice.

[R3awak3n]

I think they are also releasing a machined track version guys.

[Cicli]

I think they are also releasing a machined track version guys.

Yep
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/mavic-new-open-pro-rim-tubeless-disc-49370/

[Lovetoclimb]

Aren't the Shamal Mille rims utilizing some similar brake track machining? I wonder how long until HED decides they don't want to lose more market share in this area.

[pdmtong]

Aren't the Shamal Mille rims utilizing some similar brake track machining? I wonder how long until HED decides they don't want to lose more market share in this area.

both the mille and mavic rims are sent to the UK for the PEO treatment from keronite (http://www.keronite.com/benefits/)

[bfd]

I hope they also have some plans to DROP the price of exalaith brake pads, which are currently $100 for a set of four pads (one bike) at competitive cyclist (https://www.competitivecyclist.com/mavic-exalith-ii-brake-pads?skid=MAV0510-ONECOL-CAM&CMP_SKU=MAV0510&MER=0406&CMP_ID=PLA_GOc014&mv_pc=r101&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PLA&CSPID=0914&mr:trackingCode=60790F19-00D8-E211-B197-001B21BCB944&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&mr:ad=81822233821&mr:keyword=&mr:match=&mr:tid=pla-276902806042&mr:ploc=9031914&mr:iloc=&mr:store=&mr:filter=276902806042&gclid=CMXf5-GbyNICFUKUfgodZXwJCg&gclsrc=aw.ds) and bike tires direct (https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/mavic-exalith-2-brake-pads?v=shim000&adl=1&gclid=CNn_4P6byNICFUuSfgodRMYOgw), to name a few

Total Cycling UK has Exalith 2 brake pads for $17-something for the pair, but they don't ship to the US. :(

However, LordGun in Italy has it for $15.26/pair and appears to ship to US!

https://www.lordgunbicycles.co.uk/mavic-exalith-2-brake-pads-1

Definitely worth a try if you need it! Good Luck!

[jtbadge]

I think they are also releasing a machined track version guys.

Mavic, you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.

[Fatty]

Yea. I read the same
Just give me a wider version of the current open pro's. Toss the silly proprietary pads.

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Something like this?

https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/a-719-j24400.html

[mktng]

Something like this?

https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/a-719-j24400.html
Yes. Exactly.
However in lower drilled options.
I have a set of 719's in 36h on my SS commuter. Great rims that build into strong reliable wheels.
But to have a lighter / wider wheelset option for my road bike would be great. I understand there are several options out there in that exact market. But I've had such great experiences with Open Pro's.

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[PacNW2Ford]

Then what? Are people going to start unloading wheels when the coating wears off? The wheels will only be beginning to wear out like a standard rim meaning they will have 10-20k miles of more life in them.

I remember in the olden days, you bought special Kool-Stop abrasive pads to wear off the anodizing, then swapped in regular pads. I still think worn off anodizing gives a bike character, like maybe it's been used as a bike.

[jtakeda]

I'm totally for a new version of an open pro.

I got curious about this brake pad rumbling and decided to google. http://www.jejamescycles.com/mavic-exalith-rim-pads-set-of-2.html?___store=us&gclid=CKjv7rWo1dICFQiSfgodv3IOdA

So is that not the right set of pads?^

[Mikej]

I'm totally for a new version of an open pro.

I got curious about this brake pad rumbling and decided to google. http://www.jejamescycles.com/mavic-exalith-rim-pads-set-of-2.html?___store=us&gclid=CKjv7rWo1dICFQiSfgodv3IOdA

So is that not the right set of pads?^

Hmm.. mine are green. Ok I have the old ones-

[vqdriver]

so when do they expect to be available?
i have a set of 240s here that i'd like to rebuild

[PepeM]

And more importantly, how much?

[eBAUMANN]

And more importantly, how much?

for exalith...id bet at least $150/rim

[tuscanyswe]

for exalith...id bet at least $150/rim

The ceramic open pro was around 170$ here / piece when it was discontinued. Id be surprised if these were cheaper here tbh. But probably cheaper in US.

So more or less on par with cheap but known asian carbon rims. perhaps slightly cheaper even.

[jtbadge]

https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/03/14/mavic-expands-on-a-classic-with-new-tubeless-open-pro-rim/

More details, including pricing, here. Tubeless compatible. Standard brake track and disc-specific versions also coming.

Sign me up for a standard brake track version laced to T11s. I have been considering Belgium C2s, but pending appearance, these seem cool. No pics of this version yet.

https://gzmyu4ma9b-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mavic-Open-Pro-2017-specs.jpg

https://gzmyu4ma9b-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mavic-Open-Pro-rim-2017-replacement_-10-600x400.jpg

[R3awak3n]

really? $100 euros more for just a bit better braking (with way too expensive brake pads). I guess the pads are included but still, that is a bit optimistic.

I would love to try some, but at more than the belgium +, not sure its in my future.

[tuscanyswe]

Shame about the wavy design, i missed that detail in the first page photo.
Bit of a let down as i would have much preferred a straight box rim design with bit more classic look.

[Mark McM]

So, the new Open Pro rim has an internal width. According to Mavic's recommendation for tire widths (http://engineerstalk.mavic.com/en/the-right-tyre-width-on-the-right-rim-width/), the minimum tire width that should be used with this rim is 28 mm (and a maximum of 52 mm).

I'm not sure this is really a replacement for the original Open Pro.

Mavic's tire width chart:

http://engineerstalk.mavic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/7.png

[thwart]

Knew I was saving my black Record hubs for something...

Yeah, $170 a rim is pricey. But in weight/appearance/braking/tubeless capability these are state o' the art in alloy rims.

Nice to see Mavic back in the game.

[PepeM]

Might be interested in some non-exalith ones. ~$70 sounds reasonable.

[ergott]

So, the new Open Pro rim has an internal width. According to Mavic's recommendation for tire widths (http://engineerstalk.mavic.com/en/the-right-tyre-width-on-the-right-rim-width/), the minimum tire width that should be used with this rim is 28 mm (and a maximum of 52 mm).

I'm not sure this is really a replacement for the original Open Pro.

Mavic's tire width chart:

http://engineerstalk.mavic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/7.png

I really wish that chart were revisited. It's clearly outdated based on the thousands of people using 23-25mm tires on rims with much wider internal widths.

[Mark McM]

I really wish that chart were revisited. It's clearly outdated based on the thousands of people using 23-25mm tires on rims with much wider internal widths.

Yeah, I've been pondering this lately. The Mavic chart seems to copy the ETRTO recommendations:

http://slowtwitch.com/images/glinks/articles/WhatWeNoticed/ETRTOSchwalbe.jpg

But the ETRTO rim specs. are fairly loose (literally - there is a lot of wiggle room for the tire bead inside the rim), and the recommendations are probably quite conservative. With modern tubeless and tubeless-ready rims, there is a much tighter fit between rim and bead, so the rim has a much firmer grip on the tire.

For example, HED Jet Plus wheels are tubeless-ready, and have a distinct "shelf" that holds the tire bead firmly. Although the rims have an inner width of 20.5mm (outer width 25mm), they specify that tires must be at least 22 mm wide (although they also note that a 22 mm labelled tire on a Plus rim will expand out to closer to 25 mm).

[Hindmost]

Finally saw a picture that shows the inside wavy surface. Has the rim been hydro-formed?

[oldpotatoe]

Shame about the wavy design, i missed that detail in the first page photo.
Bit of a let down as i would have much preferred a straight box rim design with bit more classic look.

Must be an interesting extrusion..make that wavy gig. Wish they spent the $ on an OC rim. Hope the wedge and eyelet things fixed..still gonna pass tho.

How they say they do the wavy thing

Most notably, the new Open Pro moves from the traditional double walled box section rim shape to a more modern ISM4D profile. That of course is Mavic’s proprietary machining technique that is said to optimize the rim shape for light weight strength and is the reason for the wavy design.

[Black Dog]

Shame about the wavy design, i missed that detail in the first page photo.
Bit of a let down as i would have much preferred a straight box rim design with bit more classic look.

Too bad no one else makes a high quality 23mm wide box section rim. ;)

https://stuffdavelikes.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/20130203-223220.jpg

[Black Dog]

Might be interested in some non-exalith ones. ~$70 sounds reasonable.

That is 70 Euros/rim.

[Black Dog]

Must be an interesting extrusion..make that wavy gig. Wish they spent the $ on an OC rim. Hope the wedge and eyelet things fixed..still gonna pass tho.

How they say they do the wavy thing

Look like they have a really thick extrusion and then just machine away material until it is wavy.

[merckx]

The new rim appears to be drafted from the Ksyrium Elite wheelset. This seems like a low risk business decision. Good for Mavic.

[Fatty]

The new rim appears to be drafted from the Ksyrium Elite wheelset. This seems like a low risk business decision. Good for Mavic.

And a proven design. Also used on Crossmax mountain wheelsets. Put extra material around the nipple for strength and shave it away elsewhere to lose weight.

[vqdriver]

imma get me some. was considering carbon just because the al rim innovation seems to have gone stagnant and altho there are plenty of choices, nothing to really differentiate them. challenge was finding 32h carbon, but screw that. i'll take exalith

[beeatnik]

The new rim appears to be drafted from the Ksyrium Elite wheelset. This seems like a low risk business decision. Good for Mavic.

From my buddy's buddy, Chad, at Mavic:

We are very proud of this new rim and it is the result of hard work internally to offer a update on an iconic product that has been 100% redeveloped from the ground up. There are some comments that this is simply a Ksyrium rim adapted to make an Open Pro ... I assure you that is not the case.

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=144325&start=30#p1300663

[Fatty]

imma get me some. was considering carbon just because the al rim innovation seems to have gone stagnant and altho there are plenty of choices, nothing to really differentiate them. challenge was finding 32h carbon, but screw that. i'll take exalith

There is a 32 hole from Nox. $400 a pop.

[vqdriver]

Yeah, was made aware of that, and a few others iirc, in another thread, but i still have doubts about braking. Im in the city and sudden stops are not infrequent. I can pass on the carbon bling until braking is sorted. Doesnt need to be better than al but i dont want to take a step back.

[livingminimal]

imma get me some. was considering carbon just because the al rim innovation seems to have gone stagnant and altho there are plenty of choices, nothing to really differentiate them. challenge was finding 32h carbon, but screw that. i'll take exalith

Thats exactly where I am at. Depending on the outcome of a job I am up for, I was going to treat myself to new Enves. Now I think its new open pros to R45s and a campy stages power meter instead. these rims and the sample wheels so far look so sick.

[R3awak3n]

Yeah, was made aware of that, and a few others iirc, in another thread, but i still have doubts about braking. Im in the city and sudden stops are not infrequent. I can pass on the carbon bling until braking is sorted. Doesnt need to be better than al but i dont want to take a step back.

The only place I would say carbon might be sketchy is the mountains, in the city or flat, its fine.

[thwart]

The only place I would say carbon might be sketchy is the mountains, in the city or flat, its fine.

Unless it rains.

As I mentioned earlier, a 420 gm alloy all-black rim with great braking is a very smart move by Mavic.

At ~ $175 it competes nicely with carbon clincher rims... most of which weigh about the same.

Carbon's big advantage really is in tubular wheels, IMO.

[R3awak3n]

Unless it rains.

As I mentioned earlier, a 420 gm alloy all-black rim with great braking is a very smart move by Mavic.

At ~ $175 it competes nicely with carbon clincher rims... most of which weigh about the same.

Carbon's big advantage really is in tubular wheels, IMO.

carbons advantage is not just weight but aeroness and stiffness. I am a fan of alloy rims but a 420g alloy rim is not going to be as stiff as a 420g carbon rim and a 420g carbon rim will have a much deeper profile.

Of course if you don't care about any of those things then screw carbon because braking sucks and its more expensive.

I don't think carbon rim braking will ever be as good as alloy. I think they will slow down putting money into that now that disc brakes are here and when it comes to that, carbon is probably a better material for disc brake wheels.

[livingminimal]

I don't think carbon rim braking will ever be as good as alloy. I think they will slow down putting money into that now that disc brakes are here and when it comes to that, carbon is probably a better material for disc brake wheels.

That was actually my thinking too. The open pros are going to be my next caliper wheels, but I think my disc bikes are gonna end up getting something nice, like Enves.

[bitpuddle]

There are no other off the shelf rim only aluminum options where the brake track will stay dark coloured after extended use. The anodizing or paint on other rims will always wear off after a couple rides. Exalith doesn't last forever, but looks sweet for a long time usually.

The Hed Ardennes black brake surface stays black. I'm two seasons into a set and they are still good.

[bitpuddle]

For example, HED Jet Plus wheels are tubeless-ready, and have a distinct "shelf" that holds the tire bead firmly. Although the rims have an inner width of 20.5mm (outer width 25mm), they specify that tires must be at least 22 mm wide (although they also note that a 22 mm labelled tire on a Plus rim will expand out to closer to 25 mm).

Jets are tubeless in theory. Because of the non-structural faring, a tubeless valve really wouldn't work. Ardennes Plus are a better example to make your point.

The only reason you'd run a 22 mil tire on those rims is to maximize aero efficiency, and then only on the front. Otherwise, it defeats some of the wide rim benefits. It is a small race-day benefit.

[November Dave]

carbons advantage is not just weight but aeroness and stiffness. I am a fan of alloy rims but a 420g alloy rim is not going to be as stiff as a 420g carbon rim and a 420g carbon rim will have a much deeper profile.

Of course if you don't care about any of those things then screw carbon because braking sucks and its more expensive.

I don't think carbon rim braking will ever be as good as alloy. I think they will slow down putting money into that now that disc brakes are here and when it comes to that, carbon is probably a better material for disc brake wheels.

I'd actually question/challenge every element of your initial assumption. First, there aren't all that many 420g carbon clincher rims. They exist, but there aren't a whole lot of them, and the ones that do exist aren't going to have notable aerodynamics. The previous generation (before the just-released very wide ones) Enve 3.4 front rim was +/- 420g, but the aerodynamics there certainly weren't eye-popping compared to good alloys (I've tested it in the tunnel). And though the Pacenti SL23 had its issues, it was laterally stiffer than the 3.4 front, by a bit (tested that, too).

A pair of "just under 500g" +/-30mm deep alloy rims just proved themselves the aerodynamic equal of the market leading 45mm deep carbon clinchers, which weigh much more than either of the alloys and there's no appreciable lateral stiffness difference. Some radial stiffness pickup, but not to the degree that you'd notice riding or modify a build because of it.

The recent BikeRadar super deep wheels test showed the HED Jet to be the stiffest wheel on test (maybe it was just behind the deepest Enves, but in any case better than most of the deep carbons). And the Jet is a non-structural carbon fairing on an alloy rim. The fairing probably adds some small bit of stiffness, but not a whole ton. And the Jets were among the lightest wheels in that test, where the wheels were generally in the 1750 to 1900g range.

I don't mean to belabor the points or be argumentative, it's just that there are all of these assumptions, and it took a long time and a lot of testing and research for me to get over them myself, but over them I am. I will, however, gladly grant you that carbon is more expensive and has inferior braking.

Oh - they make very long tubeless-threaded valve extenders, so you could set up a Jet or other deep wheels tubeless with almost no degree of extra hassle over doing it with a shallower wheel.

[R3awak3n]

I'd actually question/challenge every element of your initial assumption. First, there aren't all that many 420g carbon clincher rims. They exist, but there aren't a whole lot of them, and the ones that do exist aren't going to have notable aerodynamics. The previous generation (before the just-released very wide ones) Enve 3.4 front rim was +/- 420g, but the aerodynamics there certainly weren't eye-popping compared to good alloys (I've tested it in the tunnel). And though the Pacenti SL23 had its issues, it was laterally stiffer than the 3.4 front, by a bit (tested that, too).

A pair of "just under 500g" +/-30mm deep alloy rims just proved themselves the aerodynamic equal of the market leading 45mm deep carbon clinchers, which weigh much more than either of the alloys and there's no appreciable lateral stiffness difference. Some radial stiffness pickup, but not to the degree that you'd notice riding or modify a build because of it.

The recent BikeRadar super deep wheels test showed the HED Jet to be the stiffest wheel on test (maybe it was just behind the deepest Enves, but in any case better than most of the deep carbons). And the Jet is a non-structural carbon fairing on an alloy rim. The fairing probably adds some small bit of stiffness, but not a whole ton. And the Jets were among the lightest wheels in that test, where the wheels were generally in the 1750 to 1900g range.

I don't mean to belabor the points or be argumentative, it's just that there are all of these assumptions, and it took a long time and a lot of testing and research for me to get over them myself, but over them I am. I will, however, gladly grant you that carbon is more expensive and has inferior braking.

Oh - they make very long tubeless-threaded valve extenders, so you could set up a Jet or other deep wheels tubeless with almost no degree of extra hassle over doing it with a shallower wheel.

hey, I was going by what I have ridden and my old enve 45s were stiffer than anything that I had ridden when it comes to alloy. Was that in my head? Can't tell you but they felt super stiff when getting out of the saddle.

You are right that there are not many deep carbon wheels at 420g but that was just a number I threw out, what I wanted to convey is that at the same weight, carbon wheels will be deeper (doesnt mean more aero per say). For example, the new velocity quill which are probably some of the lightest wheels for alloy at that width (I know there are lighter alloy wheels that are not as deep and are made out of cheese), they weight 415g at 24.5 profile. Now take a reynolds attack, at 29mm deep and at 384g. So, its deeper and lighter. I haven't tried the velocity quill but you mentioned the pacentis which were way too light and people have had tons of problems with them. The new forzas are about 40g heavier per wheel.

I cannot argue with the tests you did, although I would love to see the data or links to that because its interesting to me. Specially the 30mm alloys being as aerodynamic as the 45mm leading carbon wheels and also the pacentis being more stiff than similar carbon wheels. Maybe "they" been lying about carbon being very stiff and some of the stiffest material out there

[Black Dog]

hey, I was going by what I have ridden and my old enve 45s were stiffer than anything that I had ridden when it comes to alloy. Was that in my head? Can't tell you but they felt super stiff when getting out of the saddle.

You are right that there are not many deep carbon wheels at 420g but that was just a number I threw out, what I wanted to convey is that at the same weight, carbon wheels will be deeper (doesnt mean more aero per say). For example, the new velocity quill which are probably some of the lightest wheels for alloy at that width (I know there are lighter alloy wheels that are not as deep and are made out of cheese), they weight 415g at 24.5 profile. Now take a reynolds attack, at 29mm deep and at 384g. So, its deeper and lighter. I haven't tried the velocity quill but you mentioned the pacentis which were way too light and people have had tons of problems with them. The new forzas are about 40g heavier per wheel.

I cannot argue with the tests you did, although I would love to see the data or links to that because its interesting to me. Specially the 30mm alloys being as aerodynamic as the 45mm leading carbon wheels and also the pacentis being more stiff than similar carbon wheels. Maybe "they" been lying about carbon being very stiff and some of the stiffest material out there

Depends on what you mean by stiff. Vertically or laterally stiff? Unless under a severe force very few rims will yield vertically because the tire does all the vertical deflection. The rim is not the sole determinant in lateral stiffness regardless of rim material. Also, carbon can be made very stiff but that is a design choice; layup and profile will determine stiffness of a carbon member, not the fact that it is carbon.

[R3awak3n]

Depends on what you mean by stiff. Vertically or laterally stiff? Unless under a severe force very few rims will yield vertically because the tire does all the vertical deflection. The rim is not the sole determinant in lateral stiffness regardless of rim material. Also, carbon can be made very stiff but that is a design choice; layup and profile will determine stiffness of a carbon member, not the fact that it is carbon.

the wheels I had felt very stiff horizontally.

[November Dave]

hey, I was going by what I have ridden and my old enve 45s were stiffer than anything that I had ridden when it comes to alloy. Was that in my head? Can't tell you but they felt super stiff when getting out of the saddle.

You are right that there are not many deep carbon wheels at 420g but that was just a number I threw out, what I wanted to convey is that at the same weight, carbon wheels will be deeper (doesnt mean more aero per say). For example, the new velocity quill which are probably some of the lightest wheels for alloy at that width (I know there are lighter alloy wheels that are not as deep and are made out of cheese), they weight 415g at 24.5 profile. Now take a reynolds attack, at 29mm deep and at 384g. So, its deeper and lighter. I haven't tried the velocity quill but you mentioned the pacentis which were way too light and people have had tons of problems with them. The new forzas are about 40g heavier per wheel.

I cannot argue with the tests you did, although I would love to see the data or links to that because its interesting to me. Specially the 30mm alloys being as aerodynamic as the 45mm leading carbon wheels and also the pacentis being more stiff than similar carbon wheels. Maybe "they" been lying about carbon being very stiff and some of the stiffest material out there

Heres the first post re: test - the post following that one is part 2 http://www.novemberbicycles.com/blog/2017/2/9/wind-tunnel-testing-the-al33-xr31tfsw3-and-other-alloys.html

Can't argue anything feeling-wise, or whether it's even beneficial or just a feeling. Zipp/Silca Josh has tested that people can't blindly discern 10psi pressure differences just through feel, and Mavic tested that people can't blindly discern wheel stiffness (you'll have to search for those - part of the mosaic of stuff I've read/digested/believe but can't readily link).

As you and I both said, there have been problems with SL23s, and we built a few test sets of Quills and decided not to build with them. There are plenty of very good ~450g alloy clinchers (HED C2, Easton R90SL) and if you go a few grams up from that you get to HED Belgium+, Kinlin XR31T, A-Force Al33, and a whole boatload of others that are great rims.

But the thing with light carbon clinchers is you need some mass in the brake track for heat sink. High temp resin gets you some of the way there, but those resins bring with them an increase in brittleness. So even then you have to bring some of that material and weight back for resilience.

Especially when they come from not-top-tier brands, lightweight carbon clinchers just give me the extreme heebie-jeebies.They're time bombs.

As someone else said a few posts up, carbon really only has an advantage in tubulars, where they can be made very light compared to their clincher counterparts. Conversely, alloy tubulars can't really be that much lighter than clinchers.

[R3awak3n]

Heres the first post re: test - the post following that one is part 2 http://www.novemberbicycles.com/blog/2017/2/9/wind-tunnel-testing-the-al33-xr31tfsw3-and-other-alloys.html

Can't argue anything feeling-wise, or whether it's even beneficial or just a feeling. Zipp/Silca Josh has tested that people can't blindly discern 10psi pressure differences just through feel, and Mavic tested that people can't blindly discern wheel stiffness (you'll have to search for those - part of the mosaic of stuff I've read/digested/believe but can't readily link).

As you and I both said, there have been problems with SL23s, and we built a few test sets of Quills and decided not to build with them. There are plenty of very good ~450g alloy clinchers (HED C2, Easton R90SL) and if you go a few grams up from that you get to HED Belgium+, Kinlin XR31T, A-Force Al33, and a whole boatload of others that are great rims.

But the thing with light carbon clinchers is you need some mass in the brake track for heat sink. High temp resin gets you some of the way there, but those resins bring with them an increase in brittleness. So even then you have to bring some of that material and weight back for resilience.

Especially when they come from not-top-tier brands, lightweight carbon clinchers just give me the extreme heebie-jeebies.They're time bombs.

As someone else said a few posts up, carbon really only has an advantage in tubulars, where they can be made very light compared to their clincher counterparts. Conversely, alloy tubulars can't really be that much lighter than clinchers.

they do to me as well. My last carbon wheels delaminated. I told myself never to buy them again but found a good deal on another set and bought it, lets hope these fair better (they are newer so hopefully the brake tech is better).

Interesting data btw, thanks for testing and linking.

[bluesea]

Here's a better pic of the OP Ex.

http://www.novemberbicycles.com/blog/2017/3/14/2017-mavic-open-pro-exalith-and-other-stuff.html

[wmidkiff]

November Dave (or anybody else), I'm curious about what deterred you from the quill rims? I know they have taken a while to come to market with them and have had quite a few bumps in the road with their production. Mostly interested because I ended up with a pre-production set of them (24h/28h).

[R3awak3n]

I meant to post this when I replied but interested to know why you don't want to build with the quills.

They seem like a very interesting rim but I was always turned off by the super low weight. The weight had to come out of somewhere and either make the brake tracks thinner or compromise something. That said, they say they are stronger and stiffer than other similar velocity rims.

I inquired about them a while ago and they said they are delayed because velocity changed factory locations but they told they would be available in the begining of february and nothing so far.

[tuscanyswe]

is there any info on ERD of these new OPs?
Would be nice if i could just replace my old rims..

[ergott]

is there any info on ERD of these new OPs?
Would be nice if i could just replace my old rims..

At a glance they look taller so smaller ERD. That's just a guess until I see otherwise.

[tuscanyswe]

At a glance they look taller so smaller ERD. That's just a guess until I see otherwise.

Yeah i agree, seems like it visually at least.

[MaraudingWalrus]

These look soooo sweet. I've been wanting a wide alu set of all black rims for ages. The HED black ardennes are ridiculously overpriced.

Boyd has some of their Altamont rims with a ceramic coating (https://www.bikerumor.com/2016/10/24/ib16-boyd-adds-white-industries-ceramic-braking-upgrades-plus-alloy-cyclocross-tubulars/). Should be out soonish. I think Ergott has done some of em already?

[November Dave]

I meant to post this when I replied but interested to know why you don't want to build with the quills.

They seem like a very interesting rim but I was always turned off by the super low weight. The weight had to come out of somewhere and either make the brake tracks thinner or compromise something. That said, they say they are stronger and stiffer than other similar velocity rims.

I inquired about them a while ago and they said they are delayed because velocity changed factory locations but they told they would be available in the begining of february and nothing so far.

Kind of wanted to tactfully avoid that because we like Velocity, but it was too light and wasn't really ready for showtime when we got the first rims we ordered. It seemed like the tooling needed to be tuned in, and even then it was going to be just a really really light rim for its size. And the d--n holes weren't cleaned up.

The speed with which new products come out really challenges builders like us. What you want to do is get a good lateral (several rims) and vertical (testing deep into their life span) test on any new product. Unless you have an army of testers and tons of equipment dedicated to just that, as well as the time to build them all and administer/track the testing, you're doing the best you can. Which means stuff that doesn't wow you on the stand at first impression just doesn't see daylight.

Builders really take it in the pants when rims go bad. You're on the hook for at least some (expensive built wheel) shipping, got a peeved customer, need to coordinate replacements and do rebuilds - it's a nightmare you try quite hard to avoid.

And we fully stole that OP pic from the Team Dream Instagram account, though we did credit them and link it in our blog. But it's their picture. The Stinner it was on that went to NAHBS was holy moly sex bomb.

[oldpotatoe]

November Dave (or anybody else), I'm curious about what deterred you from the quill rims? I know they have taken a while to come to market with them and have had quite a few bumps in the road with their production. Mostly interested because I ended up with a pre-production set of them (24h/28h).

I've got a set coming as soon as they are ready, 32h, gonna build to Record hubs. I'll report back.

[ergott]

I think Ergott has done some of em already?

I have. Mine were pre production so they were only ceramic at the track. The production rims will be ceramic all over.

There's also another player just getting here. It's the A-Force AL33 Ceramic track. Profile is more like Zipp 101 with a toroid shape so it's a bit heavier. It should compete favorable with some deeper carbon rims.

The market is really shaping up with some great options. I've built many Altamonts (and Lites) as well as the Pacenti Forza. They all have some nice features and the quality of these alloy rims is better than ever.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Cycling/Wheels/i-qZPJnq2/0/X2/IMG_20170317_183750_906-X2.jpg

[MaraudingWalrus]

I have. Mine were pre production so they were only ceramic at the track. The production rims will be ceramic all over.



There's also another player just getting here. It's the A-Force AL33 Ceramic track. Profile is more like Zipp 101 with a toroid shape so it's a bit heavier. It should compete favorable with some deeper carbon rims.








I was talking to the guys at bike hub store about those rims, and was intrigued by the kickstarter they did. Going to be some tough choices for people picking out parts in the near future!

[stephenmarklay]

Thanks for all you builders (companies) chiming in here.

[stephenmarklay]

From Bike Radar:

"Mavic’s abrasive Exalith braking surface is another option, but to be honest despite its undeniably appealing looks, we’ve never really warmed to it — it’s expensive, noisy even with careful set up, and it chews through pads at a phenomenal rate. Mavic actually used to offer ceramic-coated versions on some of its rims, but they had a reputation for flaking over time and were discontinued some years ago, so it’s interesting to see a return of the concept."

[geordanh]

I'd forgotten about those kickstarter rims.

I'll be honest, I've been fairly skeptical of the A-Force rims. Seem bound to have quality issues getting started making rims with a new alloy material and a shape with known challenges in alloy (zipp 101 cracks) and a ceramic treatment process on the tracks.

I'd love to be proven wrong as they promise to be the perfect rim.

There is at least one report of the A-Force ceramic treatment wearing off super fast (from comments on road.cc launch article). May have been pre-production version? not sure.

I wish Hed would sell the black version of the ardennes/belgium as a rim only. Less money to be made in their eyes probably, but maybe the new open pro spurs them on to do so.

[simonov]

From Bike Radar:

"Mavic’s abrasive Exalith braking surface is another option, but to be honest despite its undeniably appealing looks, we’ve never really warmed to it — it’s expensive, noisy even with careful set up, and it chews through pads at a phenomenal rate. Mavic actually used to offer ceramic-coated versions on some of its rims, but they had a reputation for flaking over time and were discontinued some years ago, so it’s interesting to see a return of the concept."

That sounds like a review from someone that spent around 100 miles on Exalith and then wrote a review. Exalith will burn through the first set of pads fairly quickly and the toe-in does need to be set properly. But after that they don't go through pads faster than anything else and the noise is very subtle.

[godukes]

That sounds like a review from someone that spent around 100 miles on Exalith and then wrote a review. Exalith will burn through the first set of pads fairly quickly and the toe-in does need to be set properly. But after that they don't go through pads faster than anything else and the noise is very subtle.

I agree with this - the rim aside, I had some magics with Exalith and it didn't go through the pads any faster than anything else.

[AngryScientist]

i am super stoked to get a set of these...

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kE2XC-IZaaY/WNVBNl0LNrI/AAAAAAAACvo/u5g3xIjYpbMnZxoLhEBY4uk-8ZrlqkvtACLcB/s840/2017-03-24%2B11_53_09-Instagram.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EtTpRhiai00/WNVBZ4fv5tI/AAAAAAAACvs/gflMOWwKDLIIGRe2EnaLFX1pJNMeVsFLwCLcB/s840/Mavic-Open-Pro-rim-2017-replacement_-9.jpg

[oldpotatoe]

i am super stoked to get a set of these...

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kE2XC-IZaaY/WNVBNl0LNrI/AAAAAAAACvo/u5g3xIjYpbMnZxoLhEBY4uk-8ZrlqkvtACLcB/s840/2017-03-24%2B11_53_09-Instagram.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EtTpRhiai00/WNVBZ4fv5tI/AAAAAAAACvs/gflMOWwKDLIIGRe2EnaLFX1pJNMeVsFLwCLcB/s840/Mavic-Open-Pro-rim-2017-replacement_-9.jpg

Buy some and some hubs and send 'em to me and I'll build them and report back.:)

[jtbadge]

Comments from Jones Precision Wheels:

http://www.jonesprecisionwheels.com/journal/2017/3/23/the-return-of-an-old-friend

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5519912ee4b057e153fe4e80/t/58d4a75e4402432cd58bd9c1/1490331511967/?format=750w

[KWalker]

What in the f**k is he talking about?

[velofinds]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EtTpRhiai00/WNVBZ4fv5tI/AAAAAAAACvs/gflMOWwKDLIIGRe2EnaLFX1pJNMeVsFLwCLcB/s840/Mavic-Open-Pro-rim-2017-replacement_-9.jpg

The one shown in the above photo appears to be the disc brake version?

[AngryScientist]

Any intel on availability of these yet?

[oldpotatoe]

What in the f**k is he talking about?

I get what he's saying although I think there are better aluminum rims for racing than the M2CD. Yup, most Mavic build fine but their reluctance to fix their noisy wedge and creaky eyelets(for over a decade!) means I'm still gonna look elsewhere for aluminum rims. Plus only available from Mavic, USA, an adventure in its own right. Ymmv and all that.

[R3awak3n]

Any intel on availability of these yet?

I read June

[Wakatel_Luum]

I get what he's saying although I think there are better aluminum rims for racing than the M2CD. Yup, most Mavic build fine but their reluctance to fix their noisy wedge and creaky eyelets(for over a decade!) means I'm still gonna look elsewhere for aluminum rims. Plus only available from Mavic, USA, an adventure in its own right. Ymmv and all that.

I agree in that Mach2CD2 rims were good for their time but yes there are more up to date options available today...

I don't really agree with the dislike for Mavic rims, I've had and still use wheels built with CXP33, Open Pro, Mach2CD2, Ceramics & GEL330's. I've never had any issues with creaky eyelets etc?

In fact I just picked up a pair of NOS 36h Mach2CD2 rims for $50 AUD...yes they're heavy but bomb proof so they'll make great training wheels. I'm getting them built with Hope RS4 hubs and some lighter gauge spokes to give them a bit more feel. Some nice Veloflex Arenberg's will suit nicely...

[oldpotatoe]

I agree in that Mach2CD2 rims were good for their time but yes there are more up to date options available today...

I don't really agree with the dislike for Mavic rims, I've had and still use wheels built with CXP33, Open Pro, Mach2CD2, Ceramics & GEL330's. I've never had any issues with creaky eyelets etc?

In fact I just picked up a pair of NOS 36h Mach2CD2 rims for $50 AUD...yes they're heavy but bomb proof so they'll make great training wheels. I'm getting them built with Hope RS4 hubs and some lighter gauge spokes to give them a bit more feel. Some nice Veloflex Arenberg's will suit nicely...

I have had no problem with CXP-33, M2CD I use on my Merckx, have 3 spares waiting to be built. Saw at least one with the eyelet pulled out(single eyelet, make sure tension is proper, not too high!!). Built many, hundreds of Mavic wheels in the shop(T217, bunches of MTB rims, CXP-33, OpenSport(MA-3 a disaster-essentially recalled), OpenSUP, Reflex, etc)..and saw many, mostly OpenPro, with noisy wedge and creaky eyelets.

My gripe is that mavic refused to even acknowledge a problem, talking with some guys from France at interbike in the early 2000s..'we don't know what you are talking about'..with OpenPro rims specifically. So...Maybe these will be world beating..good for them, not only making rims but designing a new one, rim, not just a wheel.

[Imaking20]

What in the f**k is he talking about?

^this

[KWalker]

In personal conversations he couldn't inform me as to why he "doesn't highly rate" Industry 9 hubs, prefers building with generic/Chinese products, and muses about random poetic characteristics- all factors which make me not give two ****s about the review since it was plugged by a brand that Stinner/Joes spec.

[MaraudingWalrus]

prefers building with generic/Chinese products,


Depending on the reasoning, may be perfectly defensible position.

If he's found product he feels to be equivalent at a better value, then it's a totally reasonable conclusion at which to come.

As for poetic dissertations, perhaps he's found that there's already enough technical jargon out there. Maybe that's the niche that makes sense for his business or sensibility.

[KWalker]

Ya- he has no quantifiable evidence of any sort so he uses romantic language to sell products that can't even be backed up by any sort of psuedoscience, ethos, or data of any sort. Local bros who want to support the scene and/or feel better about their purchase praise it, of course, and it creates a cycle of approval that interweaves social approval and nothingness with actual outputs. In most industries people wouldn't buy into it at full force as they do with cycling and since the Team Dream/Radavist hype machine helps propagate this kind of product marketing it just inflates from there.

[livingminimal]

Ya- he has no quantifiable evidence of any sort so he uses romantic language to sell products that can't even be backed up by any sort of psuedoscience, ethos, or data of any sort. Local bros who want to support the scene and/or feel better about their purchase praise it, of course, and it creates a cycle of approval that interweaves social approval and nothingness with actual outputs. In most industries people wouldn't buy into it at full force as they do with cycling and since the Team Dream/Radavist hype machine helps propagate this kind of product marketing it just inflates from there.


I mean, living here in LA I agree that the Prolly/Radavist/TeamDream/GSC fans sort of live in a weird echo chamber, but what's John done wrong? People seem to like his wheels. He's been working in cycling for something like 35 years, and he's a really, really nice guy. Sometimes cycling can use a little more narrative and a little less tech specs.

[doomridesout]

Yeah, John's not a bandwagon jumper-- he was building hundreds of wheels for DHers in the 1990s. Not everybody needs to trot out some (scientifically dubious, marketing driven) faux materials science to be credible. I'd buy a set of wheels from him if I needed a set of custom wheels I couldn't build myself. The affiliation w/Stinner is not a plus to me but it sells his product, so more power to him.

[KWalker]

Why does building with old technology matter? Those wheels were really easy to build.

I was mainly curious when he had strong opinions on well-regarded products. He would say I9 hubs don't work well, but liked Kings. King's have more seal drag, ****tier hub geo, and the flange spoke angle ain't any better. So, he couldn't answer. He hasn't built with the majority of currently available brands and nothing out of the normal DT/King/generic/WI fold, which probably works OK for generic builds, but not someone I would go to for anything that needed to be beyond generic in any regard.

[R3awak3n]

any news on these? have some hubs ready to be laced to these

[Jeff N.]

HED Belgium Plus...hard to beat.

[elliott]

any news on these? have some hubs ready to be laced to these

I've had some on order but don't remember the ETA. Will check with my rep on Tuesday.

[R3awak3n]

HED Belgium Plus...hard to beat.

I agree but these will be similar priced and why not give them a try

@elliott - Let me know what the rep says, articles were saying June/July, I am getting antsy.

[Nooch]

Anyone know if these are available yet? I can't seem to find any details except one note that they got pushed back to Christmas-ish...

[sales guy]

Anyone know if these are available yet? I can't seem to find any details except one note that they got pushed back to Christmas-ish...

According to the website(internal ordering one), they have the standard rim brake version in 24, 28, 32 in stock now- 30+ of each.

The disc brake version, they have none of any size. It says they will 30+ of the 32 hole tomorrow. But their system sucks. I've ordered stuff even when it says it's in stock and it's not. Or the system says it'll be in on a day, day comes and goes and they don't have it.

If you want something let me know.

[K u r t]

Pardon me if this has been covered, but has Mavic stated officially that the OP Exalith will NOT be produced? (I read something about this on WeightWeenies/ Grain o salt) Either way, the time elapsed since the initial 'tease' suggests this product isn't happening.

[R3awak3n]

just get the boyds altamont lite ceramics

[velofinds]

just get the boyds altamont lite ceramics

Oh wow, this is a pretty bold claim:

This super durable coating, combined with the included Swissstop BXP brake pads, gives you disc brake stopping feel, carbon rim appearance, and best of all, the coating will not wear off. (https://www.boydcycling.com/shop/wheels/road-rim-brake/altamont-lite-ceramic-coated-front-wheel-copy/)

I don't have good experience with these coated alloy rims so I've been leery, but if Boyd stands by its claim I'd be tempted to give those a whirl.

[MaraudingWalrus]

Oh wow, this is a pretty bold claim:



I don't have good experience with these coated alloy rims so I've been leery, but if Boyd stands by its claim I'd be tempted to give those a whirl.The coated Boyds are the real deal. My customers that have them continue to wander by telling me how great the braking performance is.

[R3awak3n]

Oh wow, this is a pretty bold claim:



I don't have good experience with these coated alloy rims so I've been leery, but if Boyd stands by its claim I'd be tempted to give those a whirl.

I have 2 sets of boys, altamonts to their boyd 85 and a set of altamont lite laced by my builder to a tune front and powertap rear. The coating is very strong. I love the rims but... the coat does wear off. However if you use the rims for road ridding, no rain, I can see them lasting forever.... However the second you ride during rain and the roads are grimmey or if you do a lot of gravel, then you going to get wear in the coat. I can post pictures. Mine only has happened in the rear rim for some reason. I have 1000 miles on the lites and 500 on the altamonts. The altamonts look almost brand new but I rode in the rain once and there is a line scratch all around the rim. The altamont lites have a lot more wear and its all over the brake track.

I still recommend them. Great braking, really nice construction

[MaraudingWalrus]

I have 2 sets of boys, altamonts to their boyd 85 and a set of altamont lite laced by my builder to a tune front and powertap rear. The coating is very strong. I love the rims but... the coat does wear off. However if you use the rims for road ridding, no rain, I can see them lasting forever.... However the second you ride during rain and the roads are grimmey or if you do a lot of gravel, then you going to get wear in the coat. I can post pictures. Mine only has happened in the rear rim for some reason. I have 1000 miles on the lites and 500 on the altamonts. The altamonts look almost brand new but I rode in the rain once and there is a line scratch all around the rim. The altamont lites have a lot more wear and its all over the brake track.

I still recommend them. Great braking, really nice construction



Do you know which version of the coating you have? They made a change; gen2 much much better than Gen1
Here's (https://www.boydcycling.com/shop/wheels/road-rim-brake/ceramic-coated-alloy/altamont-wheelset-gen1-ceramic-coating/) their page with info about it.

[nobuseri]

This goes for the AForce Al33 coated wheels as well. All good and almost bulletproof until you ride them in the rain.

[R3awak3n]

Do you know which version of the coating you have? They made a change; gen2 much much better than Gen1
Here's (https://www.boydcycling.com/shop/wheels/road-rim-brake/ceramic-coated-alloy/altamont-wheelset-gen1-ceramic-coating/) their page with info about it.

both of mine are gen 2. coating is very strong but you when you have a rock btw the rim and the pad and you brake its going to scratch it. I don't fault it for it. I am sure some people don't ride their bikes in the rain but I do so I am fine with it wearing out

[Ruimteaapje]

IMHO the new Open Pro Extraliths are too massive. I'm still very much enjoying the original Open Pro Ceramic+ rims. Got one of the last sets the Dutch distibutor still had in store when Mavic stopped production in 2012 and paired with twelve year old but regularly serviced Record hubs they make a bombproof wheelset. They're great with 25mm Veloflex (in reality closer to 24mm) and Vittoria clinchers and I do wish somebody would still make ceramic of extralith low profile box section rims. Would be great if Mavic would do an extralith clincher version of their Open Pro tubular rim (which is the successor of the good old Reflex rims)

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[nate2351]

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Still rocking the Drop-Ins?!?!?

[Ruimteaapje]

Still rocking the Drop-Ins?!?!?
Yup, I admit that they's a nod to the past when I was a huge Greg Lemond fan but on very long rides they are excellent extra support for my handlebar bag:)