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Tony T
02-10-2017, 08:00 AM
The Straight Dope:
(Nothing new here, but worth a read)
What does it take to get charged with manslaughter when your negligent driving kills? (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3327/what-does-it-take-to-get-charged-with-manslaughter-when-your-negligent-driving-kills-someone)

February 10, 2017

Dear Cecil:

What does it take to get charged with manslaughter when your negligent driving kills someone? Last year the driver of a semi entered a bike lane and killed a Chicago bicyclist. He was issued tickets for driving in a bike lane and failure to take due care with a bicyclist. Why mere tickets instead of a more serious charge?

— Alan G. Thomas

Cecil replies:

Accidents happen, and when they do the person enclosed in a big metal box has a pretty clear advantage over anyone walking around or rolling by on non-motorized wheels. Our laws mostly acknowledge this imbalance — drivers are supposed to be extra careful not to run anyone down — but we're still reluctant to criminalize auto-inflicted deaths. As with most criminal matters, prosecutors have the discretion to choose how to proceed, and they’re not only constrained by the laws on the books but discouraged by their odds in the courtroom.

With bicyclists on the streets in ever greater numbers — as of 2012, bike commuting was up by 60 percent over the decade prior — incidents like the one you cite (involving the 20-year-old rider Lisa Kuivinen) have predictably become more common. There are now more than 700 bicycle deaths in the U.S. annually and upward of 40,000 injuries, nearly a third of which involve cars — more than any other single factor. The stats for what happens to the party at fault after these collisions are trickier to track. One look at the D.C. region found that less than half of at-fault drivers were prosecuted. In New York City, which sees 10 to 20 cycling deaths each year, motor vehicles caused more than 14,000 pedestrian and cyclist injuries in 2012, but only 101 citations were issued for careless driving. Surely reckless bike behavior was a factor in some cases, but by any estimate, prosecution rates are certainly low, requiring the injured (or the family of the deceased) to bring private criminal complaints or pursue civil suits.

And that’s baked into the system. As a society — one that drives too much, many would argue — we’ve made choices about allocating the risk that ensues when people get behind the wheel. Our traffic laws are basically designed on the assumption that collisions occur even when drivers exercise a reasonable amount of care. Unless one driver clearly hasn’t done this, the state generally opts not to pursue a criminal conviction, leaving the parties to duke it out in court themselves. And gauging negligence — legally, the failure to take reasonable care — is a slippery matter. Just as driving laws vary by state, so too do definitions of negligence (thanks a bunch, federalism). This isn’t a law school torts lecture, though, so let's just say there are differing degrees of it, and at the tippy top is criminal negligence, what you'd have to show to support a charge of vehicular homicide.

Since negligence is tough to demonstrate to a jury, prosecution becomes way likelier when the driver's behavior is notably egregious. A DUI is the gold standard here, but a hit-and-run incident also helps a struck cyclist's chances at obtaining a guilty verdict. Hit a biker while committing some obvious traffic infraction, like running a red light, or violating a new distracted-driving law, and a prosecutor's likely to come after you. So for many cycling-safety advocates the idea is to make more laws, bike-specific or no, and so create more ways to establish that a driver was negligent.

There have always been some laws looking out for non-drivers in the roadway. Due-care statutes protected even the least attentive farmer's wagon from being sideswiped by a shiny new Essex or Packard on an unlit country lane. And drivers have long been required to maintain a “safe distance” when passing bicyclists, but just try and make a case in court based on that vague standard. More recent state laws have set a minimum passing distance of three feet, though this functions mainly as a deterrent — it'd take an eagle-eyed officer indeed to notice if you’d given a biker only two feet and eleven inches. In 2007 Oregon passed a “vulnerable user” law, modeled after a Dutch regulation, and eight states have followed suit: these laws increase penalties when a driver strikes anyone who’s not in a car — pedestrians, cyclists, skateboarders, et al. — typically setting a minimum fine around $1,000.

But norms govern our everyday behavior far more than laws do — it's hardly the fear of being locked away that keeps most of us from becoming cat burglars or hit men. Legislation alone won't deter drivers from driving aggressively around bikes, or even guarantee enforcement, much less prosecution — a common complaint among cycling activists is that the legal system, from cops and DAs to judges and juries, identifies too readily with drivers. Advocates thus try to gently nudge the debate in their direction, using the term “bike crash” rather than “bike accident” to imply the cause is driver error rather than mere chance. Meanwhile, recent research suggests that the biggest boost to bike safety might simply be more bike use: a 2014 Colorado study found that per-rider crash rates were lower at intersections with heavier bike traffic. The more often drivers have to share the road, seemingly, the better they get at not running everyone else off it.

— Cecil Adams

Send questions to Cecil via cecil@straightdope.com.

OtayBW
02-10-2017, 08:19 AM
I would re-phrase the question:

Dear Cecil:

What does it take to get charged with manslaughter and held fully accountable when your negligent drunk and/or distracted driving kills someone, or when you aggressively try to run a cyclist off the road, roll coal at him, pass in an unsafe manner, or throw chit at him resulting in serious injury or death? Last year the driver of a semi entered a bike lane and killed a Chicago bicyclist. He was issued tickets for driving in a bike lane and failure to take due care with a bicyclist. Why mere tickets instead of a more serious charge?


Just a thought....

Black Dog
02-10-2017, 08:59 AM
The only way to legally get away with murder is to use a car and say it was an "accident". Many countries are moving to the criminalization of causing harm when you are not driving safe. North America will remain decades behind on this matter.

Jgrooms
02-10-2017, 09:15 AM
"Accidents happen...."

It wasn't an accident. It would not be unexpected that a cyclist would be in a lane reserved for cyclists. Period.




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JasonF
02-10-2017, 09:20 AM
In 2002 my wife and I were struck by an illegally-overweight and out-of-control cement truck while riding. After striking us the driver lost control of his rig, tipped over and landed on a minivan killing both occupants.

My wife required 4 hours of surgery to sew up deep lacerations and scrub hundreds of pieces of gravel out of her back. I had a broken T-7 vertebrae, crushed and multiple compound-fractured left leg, 2 broken arms, multiple broken fingers, multiple broken facial bones, etc, etc...

This was on top of two killed individuals.

The punishment: a ticket for inattentive driving.

We declined to press further charges - the driver was a single dad and his wife/mother of his children was recently institutionalized. We saw no sense in punishing the children.

Jgrooms
02-10-2017, 09:44 AM
^ why would his employer not be liable for exceeding the load limit?


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JasonF
02-10-2017, 10:08 AM
^ why would his employer not be liable for exceeding the load limit?


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They were. All insurance limits were exceeded after paying for the 7-figure medical bills, burial costs, etc...We could have sued to pick at the carcass of the small company but no lawyer wanted to take the case on a contingency to recover assets that would have been shielded and/or depleted.

verticaldoug
02-10-2017, 10:20 AM
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclist-in-helmet-and-hivis-jacket-died-after-being-dragged-20-yards-under-wheels-of-truck-a3463236.html

this is the 3rd cyclist killed in 4 days in London. Saturday at 2pm, there is a protest and die-in planned at Whitehall. For any London lurkers here, come and join.

Black Dog
02-10-2017, 10:22 AM
They were. All insurance limits were exceeded after paying for the 7-figure medical bills, burial costs, etc...We could have sued to pick at the carcass of the small company but no lawyer wanted to take the case on a contingency to recover assets that would have been shielded and/or depleted.

Sorry about you accident. Wow. The problem is that the people at the company may loose their business but they are personally shielded from any criminal sanctions. We actually need to make people criminally responsible and toss them in a jail when they allow a truck to go out over weight and kill and harm innocent folks. If I drive down the road shooting a gun here and there randomly and hit someone I will be held criminally responsible, how are the other examples in this thread any different. They are not, other than by myopic perspective. So sad. Deterrence works, to some degree, for most people.

kevinvc
02-10-2017, 02:00 PM
A cyclist was killed in Portland last week in a classic right hook scenario. The driver of the small box truck stayed on scene and, as the media say "cooperated with police and did not appear impaired".

The case has been referred to the DA, as is normal. I will be shocked if he gets anything besides a "failure to yield" type of ticket.

The posted article is altruistic but almost completely wrong. Laws on the books read fine, but are rarely enforced. The reasons are multitude and have been discussed ad nauseam. As was mentioned above, in most cases a driver can be completely in the wrong and as long as they say the magic "I didn't see him" words, have little to fear from the justice system.

Another thing that ticks me off about this article is the writer's cavalier attitude that by ticketing the driver an injured cyclist (or, ostensibly their survivors) has an easy time getting civil damages. That doesn't help a lot if the driver has no or inadequate insurance. It also doesn't offer much comfort to the seriously injured or the families of those killed.

I would say this is a bad article, but it is actually very accurate in explaining the prevailing attitude of many people who think cyclists are adequately protected by the law. Bad writer, no biscuit for you.

BobO
02-10-2017, 04:21 PM
Sorry about your collision.

FTFY. This is the root of the issue. We are too quick to assign the word "accident" to these incidents. An accident is defined as "An unforeseeable and unexpected turn of events that causes loss in value, injury, and increased liabilities. The event is not deliberately caused and is not inevitable."

http://thelawdictionary.org/accident/

This was not an accident. There was an act or omission that can be cited as a root cause that should have been foreseeable by the responsible parties.

Here are two examples;

Man spills coffee in his lap and suddenly loses control hitting a cyclist.

Man is texting on his phone and loses control hitting a cyclists.

Both have the same result, but, only the latter involves a voluntary action that any reasonable person would consider to be negligent. The former involves action, but, there is a lack of hazard and inevitability to the result.

beeatnik
02-10-2017, 05:08 PM
In 2002 my wife and I were struck by an illegally-overweight and out-of-control cement truck while riding. After striking us the driver lost control of his rig, tipped over and landed on a minivan killing both occupants.

My wife required 4 hours of surgery to sew up deep lacerations and scrub hundreds of pieces of gravel out of her back. I had a broken T-7 vertebrae, crushed and multiple compound-fractured left leg, 2 broken arms, multiple broken fingers, multiple broken facial bones, etc, etc...

This was on top of two killed individuals.

The punishment: a ticket for inattentive driving.

We declined to press further charges - the driver was a single dad and his wife/mother of his children was recently institutionalized. We saw no sense in punishing the children.

Jason, that image always chills me. Miraculously, that type of tragedy isn't more common in Los Angeles.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/09/1-dead-after-cement-truck-overturns-on-loma-vista-drive-in-beverly-hills/
An off-duty LAPD officer was killed Friday when a cement truck ran over a pick-up truck and overturned in Beverly Hills.
The accident took place on Loma Vista Drive near Doheny, according to KCAL9’s Stu Mundel, who said the vehicle was “completely pulverized.”

http://ktla.com/2014/05/02/cement-truck-overturns-on-same-street-where-lapd-officer-was-killed-in-crash/
A cement truck lost control and overturned Friday morning on the exact same street where a veteran officer with the Los Angeles Police Department was killed nearly two months ago after his patrol car collided with an out-of control dump truck.

The base of a popular local climb
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Marcos-Costa-Runaway-Truck-Crash-Verdict-126427888.html
A big-rig driver was convicted Friday of involuntary manslaughter for piloting an out-of-control truck down a mountainous road and into a La Canada Flintridge intersection, causing a crash that killed a 12-year-old girl and her father.
Marcos Costa, 46, had been charged with two counts of second-degree murder, but jurors acquitted him of those charges and instead convicted him of the lesser counts of involuntary manslaughter.
The 10-man, two-woman panel also convicted him of two counts of vehicular manslaughter and three counts of reckless driving causing injury stemming from the April 1, 2009, crash at Angeles Crest Highway and Foothill Boulevard

Black Dog
02-10-2017, 05:36 PM
FTFY. This is the root of the issue. We are too quick to assign the word "accident" to these incidents. An accident is defined as "An unforeseeable and unexpected turn of events that causes loss in value, injury, and increased liabilities. The event is not deliberately caused and is not inevitable."

http://thelawdictionary.org/accident/

This was not an accident. There was an act or omission that can be cited as a root cause that should have been foreseeable by the responsible parties.

Here are two examples;

Man spills coffee in his lap and suddenly loses control hitting a cyclist.

Man is texting on his phone and loses control hitting a cyclists.

Both have the same result, but, only the latter involves a voluntary action that any reasonable person would consider to be negligent. The former involves action, but, there is a lack of hazard and inevitability to the result.

I fully accept your fix. It was not an accident. It was 100% preventable. A collision, not an accident.

JasonF
02-10-2017, 06:17 PM
Jason, that image always chills me. Miraculously, that type of tragedy isn't more common in Los Angeles.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/09/1-dead-after-cement-truck-overturns-on-loma-vista-drive-in-beverly-hills/

http://ktla.com/2014/05/02/cement-truck-overturns-on-same-street-where-lapd-officer-was-killed-in-crash/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Marcos-Costa-Runaway-Truck-Crash-Verdict-126427888.html

My god Al, what a awful series of events.

VoyTirando
02-10-2017, 07:16 PM
Here in NYC, where cycling and commuting by bike is de rigeur for many of us, I still can't get my brain around how drivers navigate with such impunity. Nearly every day I stop by an intersection onto the Brooklyn Bridge, and I usually fist bump the same traffic cop who's been there for years. He's this very nice guy originally from Bangladesh, and we together lament the crazy things happening in front of us - one day I saw the ass-end of a police car taken off by a truck that ran the light. What shocked me initially about these conversations is how he, too, felt powerless: they yell at drivers and try to get them to give a sh*t, but essentially they have no way to enforce the traffic law. The 'actual' cops - the ones with the cars and guns and etc. - rarely do anything about drivers behaving badly and often themselves set the bar very low for what is acceptable.

The city itself takes a cynical approach. Despite having more than 30,000 cops on payroll (and my sister's excellent fiance is one of them!), they know the NYPD will do nothing. So the city DOT has been relentlessly trying to protect the lives of pedestrians and cyclists through construction of traffic-calming infrustructure, islands, bike lanes, etc.

And something TransAlt here does, and which I try to remember to do, is call these events what they are, and not what they aren't: if someone is hit by a car, it's not an 'accident.' It's a crash.